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[Music] joining me today is a lawyer a gun rights activists and the host of no are on NRA TV colleano are welcome to the Rubin report how's it going man how's it going my friend it's going good it's good to be in LA I am I'm glad to have you know we've been trying to do this for about a year yeah yeah yeah I just like to think so yeah it might just be a facade I put on to avoid people but now and actually but in reality now it's it's been it's been a pretty busy year yeah like extremely so and it doesn't ever seem to slow up and just what I think it does something else jumps off well if you think coming on this show is gonna help slow it down you are sorely mistaken yeah well I'm a bit of a masochist in that regard we'll see by the time this hour is done work on earth hell we can write I'm pretty sure there will be some yeah well don't worry because there will be equal amounts on me just for a sitting here with you that's the interesting thing you know I it's I don't want to say I've been blind to it but just being just seeing some of the reaction and responses that I got especially for instance when I was on Maher when I did Bill Maher you know I saw some of the comments from I say the other side just for ease of communication yeah but for people who largely don't agree with me in his audience they were like I would drop the NRA guy on there even a I was a tweet I responded to yesterday and even though I was on my no tweeting do that I like to put myself on because so toxic in there sometimes how often do you do that happy 30 minutes I'm trying to do weekends and disappearing at all of August see it man Twitter's toxic man when you're in the lane that you and I are in yeah it's toxic man and it can really even though you don't think you're taking that in even just kind of scrolling through you're taking it in yeah you know and in it it's like I constantly I developer this pattern of just yeah don't respond to that cuz they're baiting you yeah I mean things of that nature but um I was I saw a tweet and she's like yeah I loved Omar oh I love this episode but you have that NRA guy on it I'm like Jesus are we not allowed to have discourse anymore if especially if it disagrees with with something that you believe in oh and you know like this is a very we're going down if that's good if that's gonna be the case because you forget you know we live in this country together yeah and we're not all the same there's about 350 million other yeah might not all think the same thing exactly pretty crazy it's it's kind of sad some it will least for me it's a little disheartening yeah because I grew up under the guise and understanding the importance of discourse and being able to talk things out even if you do disagree with someone but didn't even still having the ability to set aside whatever views I may have on a particular issue and then be able to speak of you cordially or have respect for you even though we don't agree that's the way I was brought up in so to see the country kind of falling into this extremely of erotic divisiveness it it's a hardening yeah you know I don't wanna get all emo on you you don't have to guess cried till the end but that's exactly why I wanted to have you on because you you are okay going into enemy territory I'm not on this enemy turns yeah but you did you did Mars show where you knew a certain percentage of the audience was just gonna hate you yeah and we talked about it briefly right before we started but you found Maher to be basically pretty pretty respected even kill yeah okay even though I'm policy he probably disagrees with you with 8080 pretty much yeah and you know and it was something that I ended up respecting about him and in that regard cos like I said I I kind of I went in prepared for I didn't go in to do war but I went and prepared for it you know it was like prepared for the worst hope for the best and I tell you I got the best in a sense of it was a it was a discourse where he challenged me but it wasn't this kind of tumultuous kind of flooding of the heads where it just turned into something that was just ugly yeah well he wasn't trying to get yet yeah trying to understand you because that that you know I'm trying to do that here I there's a couple other places where people are trying to do that but yeah that's the thing that's been lost and that's an interesting thing you point out there it's I think sometimes people take offense to that idea it's like I don't your intruder intriguing I think intrigue kind of offends people sometimes because it's like we all grow up with a typical understanding what we expect certain people to be like and then when certain things don't fit it's like that's interesting how did you get there right and I think when it's innocent like that I don't think there's an issue there when you use it to try to kind of muscle people into believing a certain thing based on what they are then that's when we start having problems you know what I mean it's like you see me it's like how do you as a black guy like it happened to me when I first started doing what I did with the NRA Russell Simmons and I'll never forget this I was like I was like in Virginia Beach I think and Russell said I I did my first sets of videos and rolled out with the NRA and I get this tweet from Russell Simmons and he's like how can you as a young black man push Daddy you get you know the typical rhetoric in that regard even though he often is all about trying to get people to exactly which is really yeah and so I responded I said you know like I didn't know advocating for self defense and self-reliance was a bad thing I didn't know that only non black people are allowed to do that right and so that was kind of like my first foray into that world of wait a minute people have an expectation of me based on my race that I'm not gonna say I was oblivious to but it just when it was coming from people that look like me as well with the same level of intensity that's when I go WOW okay alright so here that's what this is yeah okay so I won I want to back up to a little bit of childhood and growing up because you're evolutions kind of dream but let's just say with this for one second because I think there's something really interesting about that thing right there that often if you listen to the media they'll tell you that police are hunting down black men and all of this and then at the same time you're saying well we should be able to arm ourselves and protect ourselves from the white supremacist but meaning that lawfully and legally we should be able to take care of ourselves if you believe that the system is so corrupt and the police are so corrupt and there's racists running around everywhere you're trying to bring the power back to yourself that's to me that's very empowering yet somehow this seemingly is lost when this conversation hits the mainstream it's amazing I don't understand it it's like in one breath you're talking about let's let's take the colonel ministration for instance paint it as this the most vicious and vile thing on a planet and then it's like well then let's give the same guns that you have for your own self reliance I would you would use to protect yourself against this monster that you said existed and let's give it to them and then place your entire reliance with respect to your safety on the same people you you're telling me I should be scared of it doesn't you're horrible give them your weapons what it's it's mind-blowing right and so what it does though it exposes this notion that the there's a absence of ability to I don't say mobility or people just choosing not to critically think mm-hmm you know and we're at a point now where we have access and that's like it amazes me some of the questions that I get and it's like you literally have a device that gives you access to all of the information in the world in the case of my overabundant ass I have two of them right and it's like it takes you to follow I assume you have like eight guns on you at all right yeah you know and it's it's amazing how when we have such access to so much information we've become so lazy at reaching for it this was almost like back in the day when we didn't have this access we we more adamant about search searching and seeking it out and critically thinking about things it's almost we become too fast for our own good right so the obsession now is instant information into the information regardless of whether or not the information is of any use or good or the or if it's even correct yeah you know and so it's it hate it because you know I logged I've done all of those things and I actually people get mad at me when I don't jump on a certain issue quick enough and when I say cook enough within 30 seconds I'll see that sometimes it goes down in the news and a literally two minutes go by or I'm at dinner and I wasn't looking my phone and then I'll get a slew of tweets people I see you didn't comment on he must be in on it good god paid off god forbid it involves a black person and there's a gun within 10 miles I have to jump on it yeah you know and in their some cases I understand there are some people who do who are just now getting into this who are just now getting in the fire and they are black right and you know maybe they look to me for understanding and direction because I've been doing it for so long so that I understand but but other people it's just this constant desire to be like ah ha I got you I knew you were Coon the kind of deal right and it's like like give me 30 seconds to even read the article you just sent me ten seconds ago yeah right and then from there and then not to mention you know there's a thing called work that I do so yeah I'm still doing that as well so I'm you know I'm juggling a lot of things I don't have to tell you you probably 310 more articles to even ascertain anything close to the truth bingo and that's the one thing that I I think a lot of people don't do and I almost tweeted that the other day I go you know it's very dangerous to read headlines especially in the day and age of clickbait titles to just read headlines and then make an opinion based off of that or think you know understand what happened in a particular story because there are so many articles that I've read about me yeah and what I've said where the headline said one thing and to cover their asses within the article they'll clarify exactly what that what it is that I said but they're banking on the idea that people are just gonna read the headlines and then run with that yeah and so it ends up making a fool of you fool of people what's your personal policy on that about how to respond to that do you go all in on the fight do you ignore it because I this has happened to me not just in the last week and daily be said I was an all right cheerleader you're black I think so how am i doing for the fur and all right you you suck well no I mean but this is the level of pity but but then it's about how much time do you want to invest in in defending yourself and by doing that defense do you just add intensity to the people going hi see we can get him to defend himself and then before you know your whole life is dedicated to defending yourself from fake attacks rather than doing the work that you care about two things one you're they do the teachers are dangerous you're dangerous not because you agree with me in certain certain issues you're dangerous in the fact that you're just simply willing to talk to me so for it's the same thing happened when I did I did the interview with killer Mike mmm-hmm right they jumped all over him not because of what he said but just because he sat down I had the conversation with me yeah half the time they don't even listen oh that's that's interesting you point it out because I'm like how can anyone watch this interview and not walk away with saying you know that was a great conversation about two people who don't agree on everything but there's some things we agree on he's like because they didn't watch it that sounds like what do you mean it's like I had just this weird blonde moment right yeah I'm like what do you mean he's like he didn't watch it he's like they don't actually watch the video they just read the title and then assume they know what happened in the video and then make their opinion from there yeah I'm like Danny right I hate going down the weeds with too much of this because it feels like we're just responding to all of the craziness but even in the evenin like the YouTube ecosystem yeah when we put videos up sometimes within 10 seconds there's a hundred comments that was an hour I want that time machine because I would be a lot more productive but it's always the haters that do it that's why I want to bring it up cuz it because then that hate is the thing that's always leading us and then I think that brings it back to where you started a moment ago which is that we're in this polarized thing and because the haters are sort of paving the road and everyone else is just going down the road I think a few of us are actually trying to find a better Road that more of us can get I the interesting thing about the discourse the way it is now right and so our politics have become our entertainment that's the one that's the dangerous aspect right so if it's not vitriolic if it's not snarky if it's not any of those things it people don't pay attention to it and I'm the biggest advocate of light all right look if you if you don't agree with me on something you're not to be an ass about it yeah right now can I be snarky yeah no I can absolutely be snarky but what I what I tried to do to respond to your initial question you asked him how do I like how do I go all-in do I respond so like for instance on Twitter what I've kind of held myself back to doing now is if I can tell that the person is later he's seeking out an answer or response that's I'm gonna give them that same energy in terms of okay no let's let's have that conversation right because there was a point in time where everything I responded to when I would spawn to it through the lens of just being this snarky has you know what I mean and yeah sure was i entertaining myself absolutely yeah but didn't I had to ask myself was I really moving in conversation in the dialogue along even though it is Twitter right it's 20 it's a dumpster fire right but what I started has some importance it does just the truth that's why it keeps coming up in so many of these conversations we got high-level people with great minds that are open and engaging that are still involved in the stupidity of that so it's like when I bring it up with the guests noise like I don't want to touch that again and then on the other hand we all know it's real it just it just is whether we want it to be or not everybody said whether we like not just the meaning of expression right now and so we have to you know it's like you either adapt to die yeah but you know it's it's I try I try to be what it is I I tried to be the opposite of what I could plane about at least I try in terms of like sometimes I'll see snarky messages and then I'll respond by trying to be reasonable I'll say okay I get it you don't like me but answer this question for me and I try to move the dialogue along you know what is up happening to gets deleted yeah almost every single time yeah the second you shed a little light on it Congrats scatter yeah yep what is the before we dive too much into your past what is the thing that they're criticizing you most for like you come across to me as a pretty rational mm-hm decent open guy you're trying to empower yourself okay so what is it that they're always going after you is is it that thing that a black man shouldn't be for guns I mean is it that's simply stupid so I'm like so I don't not gonna be so naive as to assume it's simply just because I'm blacking them in the gun yeah they're alright thing holds up that's the part of it that's a big part of it it's just aligning myself an organization that they seemingly that they see as being a racist organization that hates black people okay we're gonna talk plenty about the internet right so there's that element of it but then there's there is also this idea that being young black men that I'm supposed to run from guns because of the projected image that we've all had forced down our throats with respect to black men in firearms in this country for decades you know black man with a gun he's a thug he's drug dealers and getting banger so now when I young attorney educated open-minded and deal with respect to different issues and then I'm pushing the narrative of the Second Amendment it sets off an explosive level of cognitive dissonance and people who have what I love this quote and I believe was Bush who said it this soft bigotry of low expectation right and it they hate it I hate it the same way they they hate you now because you can't control someone who's willing to think independently outside of what is stereotypically expected of you right and that's where the labels come in and so it's like you go do progressive you're liberal you know so forth wrong but you still have that ability to step outside of that and say you know what let me mean okay I can see that perspective that's dangerous for people who want to control people so when I want to control the way you think the way you see yourself I cannot allow you to develop an ability to think independently on separate issues because then I can't control you so if I if I say you know what I can do everything for you depend on me the last thing I want you to do and understand is you know what wait a minute you mean tell me I can protect myself you mean to tell me I don't have to depend on calling a cop in order to come save me if someone does try to break into my house because then I can't control you I can't own your vote because what the gun has done from me and a lot of people it serves as a catalyst for the awakening of a lot of people to understand you know what I can do more for myself than I realize you know and once that once that spark is set off then a lot of things you start to realize you know I don't you know what maybe you know now that I'm holding myself to a different level of accountability maybe I might try to do this on my own you know doesn't it just feel good I mean putting aside I know a lot of people are into facts over feeling these days right Shapiro but doesn't that statement right there that that you can do more for yourself it just feels good like making some power back to yourself and going the government or you whoever you are that are not in charge of my life my responsibility my livelihood my family the rest of it it's the most rating feeling in the world and I'm with you I'm all about backs over feelings and I mean it from the standpoint I don't allow my feelings to dictate the facts you know I do think feelings are necessary right because we because within the absence of them we just become cold calculated creatures right and we are still human we are getting you know what I mean so it's like now at least all right so you know when I talk about the issue of firearms I do Dibley try to inquire I was having a discussion with a lady not too long ago about just general firearm issues with respect to her son all right who's the young black man and I asked her you know like the are you fearful of the idea of him carrying a gun and so forth and so on and I have to bring myself back when I'm having a discussion with someone like that because I don't have kids right so yeah am i Godfather that yeah so no however but it's not the same that for a woman who has a son so I have to be cognizant of that and understand what goes into that when she's thinking about whether or not she she's okay with him owning a firearm and and then on top of that having this idea that her son is more likely to get killed by a cop because he has a gun on him versus when he doesn't you know and that's where the feeling component comes in where it's necessary I think you if you can't sympathize with that then it makes you dismissive and so then that person can't relate to you then we can't have that conversation yeah you know what I mean and that comes from personal experience absolutely because when I was reading your bio there I mean there's really interesting stuff about how you evolved sort of politically and personally but when you started getting into guns you kind of had to hide it yeah from your mom even so everyone little bit about about growing up and then sort of your kind of politics and then how do we have we got so into gun gotcha so I I grew up largely a closeted anti-gun ER I didn't realize all sounds like gonna to the world there was one present right I wasn't kind of rapidly running running out scream yeah I hate guns or anything like that but when a woman was president I remember there's one moment when I was in college had a roommate when her friends brought a gun over I was like you need to get to hell on my part get out of my apartment and um well had a good friend of mine who randomly just asked me hey do you want to go to range never even thought about it and I've even crossed my mind which is how I know a lot of times I can decipher based on certain comments whether or not somebody's actually commenting from a place of ignorance or a place of understanding because I was that guy never even thought about going to range never thought about shooting a gun but to tell you all the opinions in the world why that's right and so when I hear that rhetoric now I can usually point it out and like you've never shot before you've never even held a gun before and so from that perspective we went to the gun range and a shot for the first time and I was hooked now I was hooked not from a political standpoint now what not even from an empowering oh my god I can protect myself now standpoint it was just pure fascination with the mechanics the physics all of it I'm very kind of like curious mind so for me it was like kind of like this like the idea that I'm launching a projectile faster than the speed of sound a little target like a hundred yards away like that was awesome so first shot you were her first shot terrified the second side I was like lovely that's a little bit second shot all right right so from that perspective that I just I follow that rabbit all the way down the hole but it was like I said it was more from a scientific mechanical understanding of it then as time went on then I started looking at it from more intellectual second-amendment political activist standpoint and then I started my then the lawyer mind kicked it mm-hmm and then and I started looking I'm like I'm hearing something we could be during the time period then that particular time period we had a couple of pretty big mass shootings that happened and so I started paying it and so I'm now paying attention more to the skylight when you're thinking about buying a car and you never see it on the road and once you start thinking about buying you can see it everywhere that's pretty much what happened now so I'm like I'm hearing the conversation about guns everywhere now and I'm like no this is making any sense logically like what people are proposing it doesn't it was so pure it wasn't like an agenda drums like this doesn't make sense to me it's like a window like a stick on a window is not gonna stop somebody from bringing a gun in just saying that is illegal you mean the sign that says No I mean the bad guys not gonna read the sign to be like exactly go to the other place right so that's kind of when I started jumping into the more activist advocate side of things with respect to the Second Amendment yeah and when you first got guns yeah you were literally hiding them where I was from your mom yeah cuz cuz cuz she was very much I mean she was a single parent mom raising black son she wanted to port every stereotype on the planet right my mom overcompensated with me tremendously because she under she understood in her mind the limitations that come with being a woman raising a man by herself so she overcompensated so where it's like usually typically have like mama's boys who are just calling mom does everything for this shit wash your own clothes come here go do everything she made me and I at the time I just thought she was just being a mean mom all right not realizing you know it was her overcompensating from the stand point it's like I got to make this - I got to raise a man yeah right and so but so she was trying to buck so I knew once I started getting into guns no no cuz the perception was black man with gun gang banger right and you know she had some insecurities in that she's like you know like they're gonna come a point where I'm not gonna be able to control this kid I don't know who's gonna be doing and so I didn't want to terrify her and make her think that I was living some nefarious lifestyle that she and it was almost a way to protect her more than was to hide it from my sake because I didn't want her to feel like she actually failed as a mother and so I knew if she saw the ak-47 that I had hidden under my bed in her mind she knows nothing about guns all she knows is what she sees in the media in New York who touched upon before that imagery is not positive so she comes home sees ak-47 in bed she's oh my god my son is a gay baby first he stayed under the bed now you said in the bed is there anything you want to tell me her we talked about that lady the irony behind it is I did this kind of embarrassing cuz you know about basketball fans I used to sleep with my basketball oh yeah man yeah I ball was life that was everything now you still got any skills some some yeah I got some I'm actually working on trying to for the next NRA annual meetings put together like a - a charity basketball of it if you're down but I've never slept with my guns down Freud all right okay so so from that point when you started getting okay with this now you're exploring it as you said intellectually yeah how long before you were really an advocate for this stuff because you always sort of wanted to fight for something yeah I mean with you here he was deaf net that's what I wanted to do I wanted to be an advocate I wanted to be in the courtroom defending people that's that was my goal like even to the detriment of my grades like I focused more on like my mock trial stuff when I was in law school than I did my actual work like - like school was right and I liked being the voice for people I like being able to speak to people who can articulate certain things the way that maybe I can and I never saw this coming the way that they did but I'm doing exactly what I always wanted to do and and for me with the gun thing I remember being in like I'd be in like class in law school and the way they like the seats are staggered they're like stadium seats right so if I'm on my computer and you're behind me you can see what I'm doing on my computer and I gotta be in class and like I'm researching guns and stuff like that right yeah dude like people and the thing is a lot of things that were being said about me I didn't even know about - later on people were concerned yeah I really like goes like no yeah he's like these crazies not you know um I get it if you don't if you're not into that kind of thing and you don't follow it the idea of how being passionate about something you perceive to be a a tool that used for killing people and only killing people it's gonna seem to outdo you but because I came to it so naturally so organically without any of that they just made sense in my mind I was so unapologetic about it so I got over being apologetic about it that I didn't push it in people's faces but you know there was there was even etat like that's how my Instagram got started was me separating so the people who followed me up into that point you know I had a girlfriend at the time was like you know a lot of questions for people you know think you can time to tone down the gun stuff a little bit and it was it was kind of an innocent you know thing but I never led you said you know forget it I'm just gonna set up a whole nother page and now I'm just gonna do all the gun stuff I want to do on that page yeah and now that's taken over I don't even use the other one and I don't even know if I remember the password but it's so from there that's where things really started taking off and then with the in and then when I started cuz I started doing gun reviews and so then from there when I got into the political component of it then I started talking doing my commentary and the Nats when things started really taking off alright so let's do this I want to do gun 101 with you okay all the things that we should know about guns and then I want to do the most common misconceptions about guns because I think part of the issue right now is every time something happens every time there's a shooting and half the people don't know anything about guns on one hand half the people then give you all of those misconceptions it gets it confusing for everybody and even the people who I generally trust now I sense don't know exactly what they're saying so I want to do a video with you right now what every time one of these incidences happen and someone starts asking me this ask me that I want to go I've got the thing that I can point to with the answers so let's do gun what don't walk on what do we need to know about all right first of all most a are does not stand for assault rifle so when I say ar-15 that's not assault rifle does not mean assault rifle an assault rifle is a gun that is fully automatic right that means I pull the trigger I hold it back and it expends all of the ammunition in the magazine that's that's that's Jesse Ventura in predator boom okay it's a great gun yeah love that gun right I can argue about not gonna side with mine owning it so okay so that's automatic yeah just hold it down and it will fire every round subsequently until it's completely out okay right and that's so at a very high rate of speed okay generally speaking somebody automatic so there's been this thing where people conflate this or use semi-automatic as a kind of a hyperbolic way of characterizing guns as death killing machines right virtually every modern gun is semi-automatic and what that means is one press of the trigger you get one bullet versus holding the trigger down once and getting all the bullets okay so that's a great distinction out there because often when this happens you you see people saying we have to ban semi automatics yes semi automatic that's virtually every month so it's not because all that the only difference between that and a what a fully automatic well what's one that you're just loading one bullet in okay so that would be a bolt-action okay right so there's fully automatic semi-automatic in bolt-action right right bolt action more and more lines like like hunting right or hyper high precision shooting and it's a both because it allows you to build the gun up in such a way where you it's the tighter constraints within a gun and it allows you to be more accurate okay without certain mechanism moving back and forth causing throwing off the accuracy of the shot so you would say then that when when all of these people come out and say we have to ban semi automatics that they are actually just flat-out confused or intentionally conflating or obfuscating what the truth is related to them yes absolutely and so it's either the confused ignorant or they're doing the purpose for like you just stated okay so what is the so let's do some nra stuff while while we're doing this what is the nra stance on automatics just being able to hold and shoot i mean the way it's currently regulated is the way it's danced like right now there's like in order to get an automatic gun there's a certain process you have to go through in order to get them and and that it's been that way for a very long time now and that's been that it exists yeah as it does now and that's essentially war where the stance is it with respect to fully automatic gun well what are people using fully automatic guns for so because I think this is where you hear people go well no one needs an automatic to hunt well see his thing no it's it's the idea of putting it under the guise of needing write their name another write where we use that same standard you know it begs the question that so it's like okay you have a fully automatic gun and you have semi-automatic guns a bolt-action there are different reasons why you would want each of these guns now I can delve into that but then that starts getting into the very nerdy side of firearm ownership where the enthusiast aspect of that comes into it it's understanding tactically why you would want certain things and so for me I'm not personally I don't have a problem with people on the fully automatic guns personally I just don't see that as a significant danger above and beyond say owning a nuclear suitcase right so if people tried to make that absurd argument to me before it's like well then why don't you be loved and well that's because there's there's a cost-benefit ratio that doesn't make any sense all right that you just that's inherently self-destruction so how is this how is that protecting you in any way from the very thing that you're supposed to be checking yourself against do you think there should be a higher threshold to be able to get an automatic than some of the other weapons you're talking about me personally threshold in what respect like in terms of either hire back graded background checks or references so let's talk about background checks every minute so there's this i dentist notion that we don't have background checks for our guns we do and a funny thing is we in the gun community we have become a victim of technology and what I mean by that is people think that just because I can go into a guns if I really wanted to I can do a gun store right now buy a gun within two minutes just like that you can't yeah because you've done all of the the background see that's the thing though I'm still going under I'm undergoing the same processes right so I go into the store I find a gun I like this gun I said I want to buy this gun I fill out the 44s form 4473 which asked me a series of questions then they take that information and they submit it to the FBI database and they do a background check but it happens instantly because technology right people it's interesting because there's a lot of people who feel like I said undergo some type of CIA investigation before I buy a gun the same people who also hate the government right so when they the instant aspect of the background check causes people who don't know very much about the process to think that there isn't one right just because I can buy the gun easily doesn't mean it was done thoroughly mm-hmm you know what I'm saying I underwent the background check there's a system there they checked it against the system if I don't have any felonies or anything that prevents me from owning that firearm I'm allowed to buy the gun okay so when people say there are there are no background checks and Matt ground checks aren't tight enough or however you want to extract that is there any credence to any of that bit so now let's talk so I think what you're what you're kind of going into is the universal background checks right so when they say universal back now they do conflate these terminologies there's the universal background check is a very specific statement it's it's not like saying coke right because people here universal background checks and other here's the background check part that Universal means something and what that means is it's a requirement that on every single transaction you have to undergo a background check even private transactions right so right now in California if I had a gun right I can bring a gun into California I just can't carry it but like you were like hey you know Conner I like that gun you have right what I buy for me in California I can't sell it to you mm-hmm right now what here's what I can do I could say all right cool when I get back to Texas I'll transfer the gun to a gun store here in California if it's on the specific list that allows you to actually own that gun right because California has exactly yeah and then you would have to go to the gun store and then buy it right now let's say I decided to give you the gun anyway privately right now in this room no one else is here but you and I and I sell do you've a gun let me show the cameras oh yeah I mean you know I don't have any plans on going to jail but and I sell you the gun you and then let's say you have the gun what is there - checked against what database is there to check against determine whether or not you got a background check for that gun now just completely two issues right now yeah yeah so well if we get it on the DL there there's no there's no way and that's what the whole concept of the universal background check is it is to require a background check for every private transaction now legally right now I can't do it but like in Texas I can sell a gun to a friend and as long as I know he's not a prohibited person and I know he's not a felon I can sell him that gun no problems that's completely legal what the universal background check idea suggests is I should have I should be required to undergo a background check before I can sell in that gun now I mean you and he and I would have to go to a gun store and undergo a background check then he can go and buy the gun from me so is the problem with the way it is currently saying Texas the way you're describing that you just would not know potentially enough information about the person you were selling yes that that's a potential absolutely and so the reason why I'm against the universal background check is because there is no other way to enforce it but for a national gun registry because otherwise you have nothing to check it against right to say if I if a cop walks down the street says you have a gun he's like do your background check for the gun yeah how's he gonna prove otherwise unless there's a national registry then it was okay fine well then let's have a national registry no because we've seen time and time again and when the government's have a national registry of firearms they subsequently use it to confiscate guns now the problem is when you say that they try to put the tinfoil hat on you right except because what they what they envision is you know roaring Clark black military trucks coming down the street pulling guns from people's houses no that's not what happens or how they do it it's constructive and then when you have potential presidential candidates like Hillary Clinton suggesting we should take apart we should take up the Australia model which did that very thing they use the national they use a national gun registration to tell people to say you know what you need to turn in your guns it's a voluntary buyback mmm no it's an in the mandatory buyback right so and if you don't sell your guns back guess what you go to jail that's a confiscation yeah it's a constructive confiscation but a compensation nonetheless just because they didn't roll the military trucks down the street and pull them out of your house doesn't mean it isn't confiscation and so that's why I'm I'm adamantly against universal background check unless you can demonstrate away from me for it to be applied in such a way that would not require gun registry because I do not trust my government not to exploit that registry in their favor yeah so how much of this then because we've talked about it you said to me right before we started you're sort of a libertarian I think it's exactly he said I don't want to put worry about how much of this does go back to that states should be able to make the decisions that they see fit I mean I suspect you probably wouldn't be that thrilled living in California other than the weather I I'm here in California whether the woman from yeah that's pretty good food textile yeah we do yeah I'm I complain about that so see that's just it too it's like well how far those states rights go from the standpoint of violating my Second Amendment right right I believe in states rights right at some point you start violating my constitutional ones and so when you have places like California which I think I think I'm being currently violated now the fact that I can't carry my my gun what what is the difference I can take my I can take my car with my Texas license and drive it right into California no one has a problem with that I can drive up and down these roads and as fast as I want as recklessly as I want yeah that might be illegal but I still do it does that potentially do it but yet I can't carry the thing that I carry to protect my life with the same license does it make some sense to me like am i any in any less danger here then I would be in Texas if anything I can make the argument that I'm more there's more danger for me here and that I don't know the area very well so in a weird way you're actually making an on states rights argument here because if you're saying you want the same thing everywhere that's a that's not a states rights argument it's not that but that's what I'm saying yeah because but that that's under the guise of me feeling like me not being able to carry as a violation of my constitutional right right because states rights doesn't allow them to violate those constitutional rights and that's that's the argument I'm making now it's difficult because then you start talking about the idea of having a uniform like concealed carry platform right where one license allows you to carry a gun everywhere right then you start getting into weeds but okay well that's violating states rights that's only if you don't see my ability to care firearm as a as a sari my ability carry firearm as a violation of my constitutional right right so it's an interesting philosophical place to talk because it's like it just depends where you start yeah because even though I'm definitely a states rights guy I hear what you say there and then on the other hand as a states rights guy to me if a state wants to have stricter laws and you're a big gun guy than you actually are allowed to leave it's kind of as I would say for virtually every other situation it's kind of shitty it doesn't feel great to have to leave a place that you want to be at but if they're doing things as part of their state experiment that you don't like well time it's on you to get gone yeah but if that same state creates a law that violates my right to privacy right well we have constitutional right that's super see so I see so I get I get a chair are we missing anything else on the technical front because we did that pretty calm or you see from a mechanical state right yeah just from the mechanical standpoint or just any of the language that we use related to this okay okay so yeah so then of course there's some people can say it's trivial some people say it's not so the magazine versus clip it's yeah the general terms it's actually it's called the magazine a clip is an actual thing it's just different from a magazine that that's kind of slightly trivial but it does typically kind of expose people who don't really know much about guns when you say clip versus magazine because the proper terminology would be magazine as far as any other mechanical components yeah well what do I need to know about the magazine well that's just terminology it is semantics yeah right I don't always go about correcting people because I feel like it just creates something it kind of makes me look like an ass but that's why we're doing it yeah and I want to clean somehow the biggest thing is it's just the assault weapon thing right because the ar-15 is a civilian weapon it's it's designated the biggest difference between an ar-15 and an assault rifle is that the assault rifle is fully automatic and they are 15 isn't that's the biggest distinction between the two now of course then you can make the argument well that's some very minor distinction you know there are a lot of people who make that argument but I don't look at the ar-15 any differently than I look at the handgun in that sense okay so every time when one of these happens and we hear the ar-15 is a weapon of war solo handguns you would basically put the ar-15 in the handgun in the same category yes as pulling one's schieben ones yeah so that would not be categorized as a weapon of war we'll see that's the data destination that terminology is designed to to manipulate the emotions of people who don't know anything about guns so when you hear if you don't know anything about firearms and you hear he's the weapon of war technically speaking all guns or weapons of war right swords can be weapons exactly yeah so but what that does mentally like they understand language very well yeah they like they're like not human but in terms of the I call it the anti-gun side of it of things they understand the use of language very well and and they confuse it purposely so when you hear someone who doesn't know anything about firearms think about it like if if I'm already kind of I'm a little scared of firearms and then I hear he used a weapon of war what image comes up in your mind it's it's Rambo you know he's running down there just going crazy and that's exactly what he's doing but he could do the same thing with a handgun and so the biggest thing that I like to when I'm having these conversations with peoples you're gonna walk away with you can walk away with two with two points two trains of thoughts I'm either gonna get you to admit you just want to ban all guns or you can see my perspective because if you if you're willing to say you know what we need to get rid of all this salt weapons as they as they understand them to be which is essentially ar-15s but now it's actually becoming more broader like me to get rid of all semi-automatic weapons right that's virtually every modern gun so let's say they move they want to ban ar-15s ar-15 rifles aren't even used like the percentage that rifles are used in actual shootings is so low and marginal it's unreal so then why are we focusing on it but okay then what are most shootings guns yeah right so if you get rid of that and we got rid of ar-15 and then we have another shooting happening because the are loves deadly school mass shooting was Virginia Tech and he used a hangar so then what happens if that happens again so now what are you gonna ban you gonna ban handgun and that's when you're stuck having to confront the fact that okay either you really just want to ban all guns or you understand that the distinction is irrelevant right we've got to get to the absolute point of issue and why these things are happening and focusing on the gun is doing a disservice to the conversation it sounds like I'm just utilizing I'm using a bigger issue as a scapegoat but in reality if you really sit down and think about it all right we have over 300 close to 400 million guns in this country they're not going anywhere mm-hmm and understanding that you've got to then sit down and say to yourself all right if we're gonna try to fix this issue of gun violence or just violence in general we've got to get to the root of the issue of why people are doing it and then understanding that staying within the context of reality we've got to understand well in the process I still have to protect myself and because people are still still gonna be able to get their hands on guns whether legal or not and and use them to commit crimes in the brain people's lives I've got to be put in a situation to defend against that so you can ban all the ar-15 what doesn't mean it's gonna stop somebody from getting one on a black market so now yes I don't run from the fact that the ar-15 is a more powerful platform that I agree with and I don't think I don't run from that they're gonna be people on who are gonna be mad at me for saying that but the reason why don't ruffle mint is because that's the very reason why I want an ar-15 when it comes to defending my life I don't want it to be a fair fight mm-hm period I don't want to have to confront someone with an ar-15 with the handgun if I don't have to if you come in my house I'm not grabbing a handgun I'm grabbing an ar-15 see we have this strange thing it's like when people will say okay well the Second Amendment is the right to bear arms and then they'll put up a picture of you know the type of arms that existed way back when and and it's like well then we should be have the right to that because that's what they were talking about it like this is so disingenuous very disingenuous it's like they were also talking about why you should be able to form a militia and it's like the thing that we'd be fighting against now has a lot more power and it doesn't mean that just because you have some guns you're gonna be able to stop the guys in the black trucks as you talked about earlier but maybe you could defend yourself a little bit longer and who knows what happens with a little bit of time I mean wouldn't be true but they're still fighting in Afghanistan and those guys over there just using ak-47s you know what I'm saying so like we can't just because we're gonna lose there something you just lie down and do it mmm you know and in the hope that the whole notion of like I'm an ID selector trying to thought the this idea of owning firearms to combat the government it's they think it's preposterous but I'm like ask the people in Venezuela what's going on and again these are now the people at least in this current moment people who say that the government is run by our engine Hitler exactly and it really well well this is a good spot to I think change some minds and as I said to you before we sat down I've never considered myself a gun person per se I'm interested I'm always interested in talking about these things but I do find myself now more pro-gun it's probably not even the right phrase to say yeah then I've ever been in my life and that but that for me it has more to do with that I'm really understanding what rights are in a much clearer way and and what I want the government to do and not undo and once you understand that then you know it's tough it's tough to take other positions it is weak so is there anything to you that when they always say sensible gun control and I always see the the pro-gun people will say well the people that always say that just don't know what they're talking about it and I sense you're probably in that spot cuz that you would just say do with language yeah so sensible gun control most of some people say that they actually advocating zwi already have background checks things of that nature right and then you like and you have other language like the loop the gun show your gun your gun show loophole yeah let's talk about that's not a loophole all that all that is is a private transaction that's all that is and it's just happening happening it just to happen at a gun show if you bought a gun from an actual dealer at a gun show you still have to undergo a background check so the when they say loophole what we're saying is that if you are at a gun show you're not a dealer yeah you can actually sell that gun at if you are if one the person is not a prohibited possessor you're from the same state then yes okay if there's nothing that precludes them from owning a firearm legally I can sell them a gun at a gun show right so the only slippery part of that is what we talked about earlier which is you just may not know all the information exactly so there is a there is I guess there's a little bit of a gray area and that one is that affair in terms of you yeah that you're sort of taking somebody's word for it at that point let's meet somebody that day and they're like I want to buy that gun and you say to that you ask them all the appropriate questions they could be lying to you absolutely but that's just there but then that so then the way the response that they have to that is the universe a background check but as I pointed out how do you how do you enforce it without a national registry and in with that national registry even with the national registry it doesn't stop anything right we tend to go down this I just road of just wanting to do things to make ourselves feel better but in reality name one mass shooting that would have been prevented with a universal background check now one because even the people who had guns who weren't supposed to have them they got them illegally mm-hmm right it wasn't because there wasn't a universal background check that stopped them from getting it no it was it so I had so I have to ask the question I thought then why are we doing this other didn't just to make ourselves feel better because it's literally doing nothing nothing and so that's why like the person who bought and sold a gun privately at a at a gun show could done that in the parking lot of the gun show could have done it at their house before going to the gun show you get what I'm saying yeah but what it does is when you frame it within the context of the gun show loophole it makes it seem like it's this bizarre where everyone comes there together and sells illegal guns right that's that image that's created in mind I think it's Bartertown like to feed on the they feed on the ignorance of people yeah right because like they're not everybody knows that much about guns it's it's like it's one of those things like I don't know I don't know a lot about a lot of other things that people may know a lot about right so if you tell me something and I'm not really researched and schooled on that issue you can get me to believe some pretty kooky stuff yeah and that's what I'm talking about is what you consistently see at any time we talked about this and you know there's this other piece of it where it's like every time a shooting happened you know there's this pylon where oh now now we should talk about it and then there's this other part of us where it's because we go from one crisis to another that there's never really seems to me at this point we never really have time to really ever fully unpack any of these things I think I think there's moments like this but on a national level we're not particularly good at these conversation no cuz then what it does it just turns into a political sparring match yeah I mean right after the last shooting and when Dana lotion and Rubio were on that CNN Town Hall I mean it was it was meaningful to me in the gladiatorial fast it was a disaster was everything I hate about just the quick bites and all of this and flashiness and just thinking we take out right now it was a disaster and then and I said and I pointed this out how can we have a real honest conversation when they try to paint pro-gun people as crazy when we say no the ultimate goal is to ban guns but then I can watch a CNN live Town Hall where Ruby will suggest you do realize banning all semi-automatic guns is essentially banning all guns and the entire stadium erupts and applause and cheers yeah so then I go yo Rubio said exactly what you said and they started cheering even even when confronted with the core because Rubio said look you want a ban on semi-automatic guns here let me educate you really quickly and tell you that's virtually all guns so even when he corrected them so it wasn't they can't they can't they can't claim they were ignorant on it because he just explained to them that means banning virtually all guns and they upped it so it goes okay so now you have all those programs alike right you're just gonna go back to our there's and there's no discussion because while while we're trying to be fair your ultimate goal is to try to ban them all you know there was that moment I'm sure you remember this after the parkland shooting when they had the big rally and one of the survivors got up there and said we're gonna come what was the line you remember the exact line where she said basically we're gonna come for the semi automatics you now but we're gonna come for everything later something to that effect them yeah I'm slightly butchering it but I thought wow no now you're flat out saying and you're just giving you're telling them now so I could see why you know I see this with all my frustrations when they left all the time it's like I know they're never gonna stop I've seen it so consistently and that's why I'm staking out some positions but sometimes it's it's kind of sucky to have to just be like well the people that I'm fighting against how to speak they're not dealing in the same world that I'm dealing in and I and that makes it more important for me to stake out a position but the thing that's most frustrating about it is the way they'll color it in the mainstream media is that we're unreasonable we don't want to move on inch we've dug her heels in all we want is to be you don't care about anything and really what it is is no I let you into my house and now you're trying to take my house from me so get out just as essentially what they're saying is all right so they'll say well common sense that's all we hate that were common sense because it because it's disingenuous it's like well we need common-sense measures after our shooting all right and another shooting happens we need more common-sense measures and another student happens we need even more common-sense measures when does common-sense measures stop being common sense and just intruding on my rights yeah and I can see the you know you know my thing for guns to use free speech to me and it's like I can see this coming with that if these guys took control you'd start seeing well we could have free speech but we need some common-sense controls around Breezer actually so I so I do understand the position like I tell people all the time I'm like there are over 300 federal gun laws in this country I think we've been reasonable I think we were really truly being unreasonable we wouldn't have over there I can't begin to tell you how many we have on a state level right so it's incredibly disingenuous to think that we're just being hard hard-asses who don't want to move on inch on the issue right no one's saying it should be a free-for-all where we're just handing out guns to everyone like Oprah right I don't think anybody has a problem inherently with background checks now when talking my universal background checks that's a different thing but since nobody since they never want to make that distinction right no one ever knows that you can't you can't exactly and then the idea of like you know we can talk about gun-free zones right and it begs the questions like what is that what is that sticker on when they're gonna do for me so now I have to make like people don't really like to sympathize with gun owners in the sense of like we all want the same result right we want the killing the stop we want the violence to stop notice I said violence and killing not just gun violence right because we can't just focus on gun violence because violence is violence however you died you died and it's bad all the way around but when I have to make a decision about whether or not I potentially break a law to go into an establishment that may or may not cause me to need my gun at some point and that's messed up and I know that there are a lot of people who don't see it that way because they don't see value in the Second Amendment because they're not firearm owners right there are a lot of people who look at the Second Amendment is useless because they don't own firearms but when you have a group of people who understand the importance of it and how it fits into their lives and they understand that at the end of the day when something happens the only person who's gonna be there to stop it is you that's a big deal so it's not just me trying to protect a piece of metal because I just want to have fun with my guns no it's much bigger than that it's this idea that I have to rely on myself you can tell me all day long the police are gonna be there the police are gonna be there but they're not going to be there just not and then you can you name we're at Heartland exactly right so then you can you add kids family into the mix that ratchet it up to a whole nother level so about what about the piece of this that just sort of optics so you know every now and again see a picture of like three dudes with big-ass guns at Chipotle you know like an open carry now I know if I was if I walked into Chipotle and three guys came in with big-ass guns on their back yeah okay well I would take noise and I probably leave but I probably would I would just be like you know looking again I'm here I'm there in California where that would be so bad so out of the door but let's but for the person that's living in Texas no home can do this if I was in Chipotle right and three guys well then I probably would leave no one everything that you just said they're knowing that these guys are probably NRA members and and as far as I know no NRA member has ever done a mass you know right okay so you know cuz you see this all tiny celebrities Michael Ian Black like ad on the show who's on this rampage telling everyone that you guys are terrorists I mean really that you're you're part of a terrorist organization I mean okay and so are the five million members right but I but I think there is something about some of the optics a minute you know I mean like I would be nervous now I get your point would be well those guys are gonna protect you when the other guy walks in or whatever then some of that may be feelings over facts right there but it just it just is there interesting thing about it that is a big debate within the gun the gun community as a whole the idea of open carry vers concealed carry i don't ever open carry except for maybe if I'm out hunting or a mountain range or something like that i but that's that's a personal decision I'm choosing my own for various reasons one sometimes I rather not have the attention and tactically I like the advantage of having the element of surprise you don't know I have a gun on me so if I had to use it I'm going to be reacting alright I'm not going into a place to shoot it up if somebody decides to come into a place to shoot about I'm gonna be reacting to that so I need all the advantages I get from my personal perspective so I want the element of surprise there's some people who think in the alternative they feel like just a mere presence of that gun is a deterrent from anyone who wants to come in and do some bad so if guys casing out a couple stores and indicies there are certain citizens in there with long guns and some that have handguns on the side of the hip then that's a deterrent right I understand the alarm that people who don't necessarily engage in interact with firearms get when they see people walking around with rifles right even I thought there been I've seen a couple of people in Texas do it and initially my gut reaction and I'll admit it was like what's going on here now I'm very verse firearms and I have a gun too so at that point I actually almost welcome it and the reason why is because if you're going to do something I now get to see you attempt to do it you get what I'm saying there's a telegraph you are in a unique case on this one yes but I'm speaking from purely a place of personal yea preference right am i tweaking on the whole for anyone else things like that me personally I would rather like to know you have it right if I can see it because then I know where to focus my attention versus me kind of being alone to a state of complacency because of its absence and then all of a sudden somebody stands up and decides he wants to shoot the place up and then I have to react to that but again that's tactics right that's that's this personal preference in that regard however I do understand the alarm that somebody would have seen three guys walking to Chipotle with the with rifles because it seems seemingly especially to them they seems like that's a bit excessive a lot of you if I can conceal carry a rifle I would because it's better at defending me than a handgun was the only reason the only reason I have a handgun is because a small enough for me to conceal any Indian allows me to live my life and uninterrupted otherwise I'd walk around with a rifle okay so we can't end without doing sort of what I think would be the big question for everything we've talked about here and for someone that works with the NRA and your shows on NRA TV and all that so what is going on in America right now that seems to be unique to our society we do have more shootings here than I then I think virtually all other Western nations combined so okay for you to fact check me on that advice don't read that one but but it does seem it's and even if I'm slightly oh no you're good it seems that there is something uniquely happening here now I would argue that there's all sorts of mental health issues and probably prescription drugs and maybe non prescription drugs and all sorts other stuff so there's a couple of things so I'll try to I'll try to keep this as concise as possible cuz we are gonna get into weeds for its lit second yeah so first of all let's talk about mass shootings right here school school and so for instance I recently just read a study from Northwestern University that's one ago which talked about comparing the number of school and shootings back in the 90s versus the vs. today and what they concluded essentially was the perception is that it's happening more frequently but it's not it's actually on par or even less now than it was then now you can people who can oh my god how could you possibly say that google it it's a Northwestern University research a camera with the actual title of their actual research but we're gonna grab it from you after this and guys link to it in absolutely so that being said mass shootings account for a very very very marginal percentage of shootings in this country let's start off with the overall so thirty five thirty five to thirty six thousand people each year die from guns right I didn't specify gun violence but just guns because they don't do that that was it's a gun violence right so sixty about 16 to 65 percent of those that 35,000 is suicides now what I'm not saying is we don't care about suicides we do however when it comes to the idea and the issue of somebody shooting at me mm-hmm that's that's not it's not germane yeah but then even still if you want to make the argument well if we had less guns we'd have less suicides that's also not true because our suicide rate is on par with every other major country so if it was the case that the more guns you have the more suicides we'd be leading the charge we don't where there's a will there's a way exactly Yeah right even some of the more famous suicides we've had they didn't use guns so we set that number side which is a huge number yeah sixty-five percent it's a huge number out of thirty five thirty six thousand so then you have about one to three percent which are justifiable homicides that's self-defense that's including police shooting criminals who are shooting at them right and people who use guns in self-defense right you gotta set that aside because that's not the issue we're trying to address so set that number side and then you have about five which are accidental right kid gets finds a gun pull triggers unfortunate extremely unfortunate however I believe personally half of that it could easily be addressed with more education so if we took the energy that we took that we place now I'm trying to vilify guns and have national campaigns teaching people about gun safety that will cut that number in half because a lot of these accidents are easily preventable but they're just people who have guns too just don't know hmm and so if we spent time educating those people do we know what percentage of that subset is getting those guns legally or illegally because I would imagine that a lot of it's probably illegal which is why they don't know how to use the gun in the first I'm not gonna assume I have that answer because I don't have that hard number yeah but and I would bet I do feel comfortable assuming that as well yeah right and so if we take that accidents to set that aside purely homicides we're looking at around seven to ten thousand every year right now that's a different looking number right well movie accounted for all the context here with those those other shootings now the vast majority I say close to 80 percent of red and a couple of articles of those homicides are happening in the inner cities of our country all right so then reason goes all right so let's look at those inner cities and look at the dynamics there right you have low jobs lack of Economic Opportunity destroyed households and Anarkali Kanna me that warrants that warrants but creates necessity for this type of violence so if we dealt with the socio-economic aspects of what's going on in those areas right do we really have a gun problem just think about it I know I know other communities fill with black people they have guns they don't have the same level of violence cuz I only say black people because most people associate the inner city with with black people right but the reason why we have that high level of concentration of violence it's because of the conditions in those environments and even within those communities there are the vast majority of people in those communities are good people and it's a very minor group of people with creating a large number of the violence right so there's something to be said do we really have a gun problem or do we have a socio-economic suicide problem in this country because at the end of the day there's 35 to 36 thousand that people assuming is all gun violence by way of homicides people shooting at other people to kill them it's not the case we're looking at close to the seven and ten thousand if that and so if you take those numbers and you compare in other countries then how does it look to be continued yeah well I'm so glad that we finally did this and we will definitely do this again because I absolutely this story and and everything we've talked about here is just gonna continue I mean these are the battles that we're now fighting on many fronts related to the Constitution and free speech and free expression and your ability to to own your life and all that stuff and that's all we ask is that this is let me put in one say one last thing people there are a lot of people who was like wow how do you feel the need to carry a gun why I like the chances of you needing to use that gun to protect yourself one percent and the answer I have for that is this you may be right chance' me need to care to actually use my gun defend myself maybe you really slim maybe 1% but if that 1% happens it's a hundred percent of everything the consequences are a hundred percent and that's why it's so important yeah all right well that's how you end a show you know you maybe will do this next time maybe we'll bring you on with someone on some of the other side of the issues on things I will tell them what have that conversation sounds like a plan all right for more on colione check them out on twitter mr. colleano are [Music]

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