>>> I KNOW YOURE TIRED. >>> I KNOW YOURE TIRED. EVERYONE IS A LITTLE TIRED THIS MORNING. THE LAST TIME WE HAD CONGRESSMAN SHAWN PATRICK MALONEY ON OF NEW YORK, IT WAS A LITTLE REACTIVE. >> WERE BOTH BELIEVERS OF MINDFULNESS. >> NO. >> AND WE ALWAYS SAY DONT BE REACTIVE. >> MR. MALONEY, YOU WERE REACTIVE. JOE, YOU WERE REACTIVE, AND I WANT YOU BOTH TO TAKE THREE DEEP BREATHS AND TRY THIS AGAIN. ITS GOING TO BE OKAY BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE ACTUALLY FRIENDS. JOINING US NOW, CONGRESSMAN SEAN PATRICK MALONEY OF NEW YORK. ALSO JOINING US, MSNBC POLITICAL ANALYST DAVID PLUFF. HE SERVED AS A SENIOR WHITE HOUSE ADVISER TO PRESIDENT OBAMA AND MANAGED HIS 2008 CAMPAIGN. >> ALSO VERY MINDFUL. >> HE IS MINDFUL. >> AND HOST OF MSNBCS POLITICS NATION AND PRESIDENT OF THE NATIONAL ACTION NETWORK, REVEREND AL SHARPTON IS WITH US THIS MORNING, AS WELL. >> PEACE. >> MVP. >> EXACTLY. EXACTLY. SO, REV, LETS START WITH YOU. WHAT DID YOU THINK OF THE SPEECH LAST NIGHT? >> IT THOUGHT THAT IT WAS AN EXCELLENT SPEECH. IT WAS WELL DELIVERED. AND I THOUGHT IT WAS SUBSTANTIVE. HE DID NOT TRY TO BECOME A FIRING ORATOR. THAT IS NOT HIS STYLE. HE ALMOST WAS A CONVERSATIONALIST. AND YOU KNOW AS ONE THAT IS A MENACE, YOU CAN BE ONE WITH FIERY ORATRY TO TRY AND INSPIRE PEOPLE OR YOU CAN SOOTH THEM INTO LISTENING TO YOU. AND HE WAS LIKE HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY EFFECTIVE, BUT IT WAS SUBSTANTIVE. I CERTAINLY WAS HAPPY TO HEAR HIM ENCOURAGE THE CONGRESS INCENTIVE TO PASS THE GEORGE FLOYD ACT. HE WAS VERY SPECIFIC. AND I THINK THAT HE DID HIMSELF AND THE NATION A REAL SERVICE. I WAS VERY DISAPPOINTED IN TIM SCOTTS REBUTTAL, BUT I WAS MORE THAN IMPRESSED WITH THE PRESIDENTS SPEECH. >> WHY WERE YOU DISAPPOINTED WITH TIM SCOTTS REBUTTAL? >> I DONT THINK THAT HE REBUTTED. I THINK HE CAME WITH A LOT OF TALKING POINTS FROM THE REPUBLICANS. HE NEVER ADDRESSED THE SPECIFIC THINGS THAT THE PRESIDENT LAID OUT. IT WAS MORE BOWING TO THE THRONE OF DONALD TRUMP AND I MET TIM SCOTT, TALKED TO HIM. I THINK HES BRIGHTER THAN THAT AND BETTER THAN THAT. I THINK HE REALLY EMBARRASSED HIMSELF LAST NIGHT. >> SO, CONGRESSMAN, HOW DID JOE BIDEN DO? HOW DO YOU THINK HE HELPED THE CAUSE AS THE HEAD OF THE DCCC? >> FIRST, JOE, IM REMINDED OF THE WISDOM OF THE AGES, HAPPY WIFE, HAPPY LIFE. SO I THINK THE GOAL THIS MORNING SHOULD NOT BE TO -- YEAH, YOU GOT IT. >> YEAH, EXACTLY. >> LOOK, I THINK HE DID GREAT. I MEAN, COME ON, THE GUY IS TALKING ABOUT FOUR MORE YEARS OF PRESCHOOLING, TWO YEARS OF COMMUNITY COLLEGE FOR FREE, TALKING ABOUT CHILD CARE. HES TALKING ABOUT PAID FAMILY MEDICAL LEAVE, THESE ARE THINGS THAT THE WORKING AND MIDDLE CLASS FAMILIES THAT I REPRESENT IN THE HUDSON VALLEY OF NEW YORK KNOW AND UNDERSTAND AND CARE ABOUT. IT GOES RIGHT TO THE FAMILY BUDGET ON TOP OF THE RESCUE PLAN WHICH IS PUTTING SHOTS IN ARMS AND MONEY IN POCKETS AND THE JOBS AND INFRASTRUCTURE PLANS. I THINK WERE DOING BIG THINGS. AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE GOING TO FEEL IT AND I THINK ITS GOING TO BE A BIG DEAL COME NEXT YEAR WHEN THE REPUBLICANS ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT NOTHING AND WEVE GOT A RECORD OF RESULTS. >> SO, DAVID, TIMING IS ALSO EVERYTHING. BILL CLINTON CAN TELL US ALL THAT. HE BEAT GEORGE H.W. BUSH RUNNING AGAINST THE ECONOMY THAT FOURTH QUARTER AFTER THE ELECTION. ENDED UP BEING PRETTY STRONG. JOE BIDEN ENHEARTING AN ECONOMY ON THE REBOUND. WE JUST GOT BREAKING NEWS THAT THE U.S. ECONOMY GREW AT A 6.4% ANNUAL RATE IN THE FIRST QUARTER. JOBLESS CLAIMS ALSO DOWN TO NEW PANDEMIC LOWS. >> RIGHT. WELL, FIRST OF ALL, JOE, I WOULD SAY THIS. OBVIOUSLY, CONGRESSMAN MALONEYS JOB FIRST AND FOREMOST OVER THE DCCC HAD ON IS TO RETAIN THE MAJORITY. BUT ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IS WE GOT DUNN WITH ONE ELECTION AND WE LOOK THROUGH THE PRISM OF THE NEXT ELECTION. AND WE HAVE A BUNCH OF CRISES OUT THERE AND THATS ONE OF THE REASONS JOE BIDEN IS SO POPULAR. LAST NIGHT WE HAD A POPULAR PRESIDENT WHO HAS DONE POPULAR THINGS IN HIS FIRST 100 DAYS QUITE EFFECTIVELY. AND SO -- AND I THOUGHT IN ADDITION TO THE PROPOSALS, ITS HOW HE DELIVERED THEM. I AGREE WITH REVEREND SHARPTON. AND CARVILLE TALKED RECENTLY ABOUT DEMOCRATS TOO OFTEN, TALKED LIKE THEYRE FROM THE FACULTY LOUNGE. HE WAS DIRECTED TO PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO DIDNT GO AND GRADUATE TO COLLEGE NECESSARILY, CERTAINLY DIDNT GO TO POST COLLEGE. FOLKS WHO ARE WORKING HARD, THAT HAVE BEEN HURT HARD BY THIS PANDEMIC. MIDTERMS ARE VERY CHALLENGING. IN MY VIEW, THE BEST POLITICS IS TO DELIVER FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. THAT WILL HELP SWING VOTERS, BUT KEEP THE BASE INTACT AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE BOTH. THE NOTION THAT ITS ONE OR THE OTHER IS CRAZY. YOU NEED BOTH TO HAVE A SUCCESSFUL ELECTION IN COMPETITIVE STATES. >> DAVID MENTIONED THAT JAMES CARVILLE INTERVIEW WITH FOX. LETS TALK ABOUT THAT, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST JAMES CARRVILLE WEIGHING IN ON WEATHER THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY NEEDS TO CHANGE ITS MESSAGE EGG. HE SAID, QUOTE, WE LOST CONGRESSIONAL SEATS, WE DIDNT PICK UP STATE LEGISLATURE. SO LETS NOT HAVE AN ARGUMENT ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WERE OFF KEY IN OUR MESSAGES. WE ARE. AND WERE OFF BECAUSE THERES TOO MANY JARGON AND THERES TOO MUCH ESOTERIC YA THAT TURNS PEOPLE OFF. HE SPOKE MORE ABOUT WHAT HE SEES AS THE PROBLEM. >> WE COME ACROSS AS CONDESCENDING TO PEOPLE. AND I KNOW OUT HERE, DEMOCRATS OUT IN THE REST OF THE COUNTRY FEEL LIKE THEY ARE BEING TALKED DOWN TO. AND WE JUST GOT TO USE STRAIGHTFORWARD LANGUAGE. THIS OTHER FACULTY LOUNGE NONSENSE, LET THOSE PEOPLE -- IF I GO ASK THEM, THEY OUGHT TO STAY OUT OF TRYING TO GET POLITICAL LANGUAGE BECAUSE THEY DONT KNOW WHAT THEYRE TALKING ABOUT. >> SO, REV, IN THAT INTERVIEW WITH FOX, JAMES CARVILLE SAID WOKENESS IS A PROBLEM. WE ALL KNOW IT. HE TALKED ABOUT THE TERMS LIKE LATIN X WHICH ONLY 3% OF ADULTS SAY THEY HAVE USED, 70% OF ADULTS SAY THEYVE NEVER EVEN HEARD OF THAT TERM. WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF HIS BROAD ARGUMENT THERE? >> I THINK THAT HE HAS SOME VERY IMPORTANT POINTS THERE. THE OBJECTIVE OF COMMUNICATING IS TO CONNECT WITH WHO YOURE TRYING TO COMMUNICATE WITH. AND I THINK TOO MANY TIMES THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY ON THAT -- IN THE LEFT OR WOKE THAT WANT TO IMPRESS YOU RATHER THAN ENGAGE YOU. AND THATS WHY I THINK BIDEN HAS BEEN EFFECTIVE. HE ENGAGES PEOPLE. HE MAKES PEOPLE FEEL LIKE HES TALKING TO THEM. HE REFERRED TO LAST NIGHT WHEN HE HAD THE CONVERSATION, GOT ON HIS KNEE AND HAD THE CONVERSATION WITH GEORGE FLOYDS DAUGHTER AND THE MEETING WITH THE FAMILY THAT I WAS IN THE ROOM WITH ATTORNEY BEN CRUMP. THAT MADE HIM COMMUNICATE WITH THE WHOLE FAMILY THAT HE SAW THEM AS A PERSON, AS A FAMILY, A LITTLE GIRL, RATHER THAN COMING IN QUOTING SOME TIMS THINGS THAT HE HAD LEARNED IN POLITICAL SCIENCE AND HES TALKING AS OBJECTS. AND I THINK CARVILLE IS RIGHT, YOU MUST CONNECT WITH PEOPLE ON THE GROUND. WE BELIEVE POLITICS IS LOCAL. YOU HAVE TO TALK TO LOCAL PEOPLE IN A WAY THEY FEEL YOU UNDERSTAND THEIR LIFE, NOT THAT YOURE IN AN IVORY TOWER SIPPING LATTES TALKING DOWN TO THE MASSES THAT YOU ONLY UNDERSTAND INTELLECTUALLY. >> THERES THE REV TALKING ABOUT THOSE LATTE LIBERALS HES BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS. DAVID PLUFF, LET ME ASK YOU QUICKLY, BECAUSE I REMEMBER HEARING BARACK OBAMA AFTER LEAVING THE PRESIDENCY, I BELIEVE IT WAS A MANDELA SPEECH. AND HE IN HIS OWN GENTLE WAY WAS PUSHING BACK AGAINST WOKENESS. AND HE SAID, HEY, LISTEN, YOU CANT TELL ENTIRE SWATHS OF THE POPULATION THAT THEY CANT ENGAGE IN CERTAIN DEBATES BECAUSE THEYRE WHITE OR BECAUSE THEYRE MEN. HE SAID WE WANT EVERYBODY TO ENGAGE IN THE DEBATE. THATS HOW WE WIN ELECTIONS. AND THAT TOOK ME BACK TO, YOU KNOW, HIS INTRODUCTION IN 2004. HIS VISION THAT WERE ONE AMERICA AND EVERYBODY SHOULD BE INVOLVED IN THE DEBATE. >> RIGHT, JOE. HES A FORMER COMMUNITY ORGANIZER, BUT ANY GOOD ORGANIZER WILL TELL YOU THAT THE BEST ORGANIZING STARTS WITH LISTENING, NOT LECTURING. YOURE NOT TALKING, YOURE LISTENING TO PEOPLE FINDING AN OPENING, FINDING A WAY TO ENGAGE THEM. SO I THINK THIS WAS LESS. JAMES WAS CLEAR ABOUT THIS IN HIS PIECE. ITS LESS ABOUT WITH WHAT WE STAND FOR. ITS COMMUNICATING. YOU HAVE A REPUBLICAN PARTY THAT IS INCREASINGLY GETTING COMFORTABLE WITH WHITE SUPREMACY. SO WE HAVE TO CALL THAT OUT AND HAVE TO FIGHT THAT, HAVE TO FIGHT FOR THE GEORGE FLOYD POLICING ACT. BUT WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT THE PEOPLE WHO DECIDE ELECTIONS, AGAIN, THIS ISNT JUST THE TRUMP, OBAMA, BIDEN VOTERS. THE YOUNG PEOPLE WHO WE NEED TO VOTE AND CONTINUE TO VOTE, THEY ARE NOT BY DEFINITION AS ENGAGED IN POLITICS. THEY ACTUALLY ARENT AS LIBERAL AS ACTIVISTS ARE. SO WE HAVE TO HAVE A MESSAGE THAT REACHES THEM, ENGAGES THEM, THATS RELEVANT TO THEM. BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE IMAGE THEY NEEDS TO HAVE IS JOE BIDEN AND ALL THE DEMOCRATS IN CONGRESS ARE WAKING UP EVERY DAY RUNNING FOR THE WALL, TO INCREASE THEIR PAY, TO INCREASE WHICH ARE CHILD CARE, TO DO THINGS LIKE CLIMATE CHANGE, OF COURSE. CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM, OF COURSE. BUT WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND BOTH SIDES OF THE ELECTORAL CONVERSATION, SWING VOTERS AND IMPORTANT REGISTRATION AND
