Did We Exist With God Before Birth?

awesome and we're going to get into it did you exist with god before you were born was there a relationship between you and god before you were born now a lot of people can fight and argue without any scriptural basis on this and we're going to get into it tonight and uh we're going to prove our point arguably a point uh from a uh really really um solid foundation and i believe it is necessary for us as believers and as a christian orthodox doctrine to understand where we come from and where we're going does that remove salvation it never it never does okay uh you'll see why we're gonna maybe get into why salvation came in tonight it doesn't mean because we come from god that everything is fine that's universalism no no we don't believe but our spirit is to come from god we're gonna get into the make up the structures of the wording and scripture uh we're gonna use scripture to really it's gonna be a good message i want you to stay tuned did god know you before your before creation did you exist before you were born did god know you and did you know god i did i did a youtube video and people did all this stuff on arson different youtube videos and cut out and how does this prophet say that you know he knew god before and well we did the scripture is very clear we can either choose to believe in the um the uh undiluted word of god uh the unchallenged word um um unadulterated uh god-breathed inspired word rightly dividing the word of truth being a faithful ministry approved a minister approved by god uh you know using the word i live by law solar scripture to a degree to not what i mean by to a degree to not uh what i mean by that is some people use solar scripture to really become legalistic but when it comes to to basing a doctrine it has to be so like scripture or scripture whatever they however they pronounce it but basically uh if it's not in scripture gone based a doctrine on it and scripture has to interpret scripture scripture has to interpret scripture very very important we did bible study with all our people with all our church last year when the church was closed and we showed how to study your bible what bible translations to use so bible programs to use it's amazing at the moment i use a bible program for example called logos there's many other this olive tree that is eastward each sword is amazing because it's free and you can get a lot of things just um i love logos because i paid for it for many years got a very big package and i can really literally almost do anything on it it's brilliant the way it is advanced even now you can really study scripture well but a lot of people can even study scripture wrong so you know scripture has to interpret scripture and when it gets to the new testament old testament there are certain referential laws laws to reference the old testament is there to back up the new testament it is there to solidify and to reference a lot of people want to preach the new testament without referencing to the old testament and those are very important principles very important laws when it comes to studying scripture so you know and uh uh this is and we can't preach the old testament without a new testament attitude or a new testament um implication or the new testament dispensation so we can a lot of people try to preach the old testament the under the old covenant without a new testament dispensation dispensation of grace mindset and when we do that we really listen to a prescription we take it out of context we become legalistic and we simply preach the letter the law that brings condemnation so uh some days again let's get into this meeting did you exist before you were born did you exist with god before you were born did you uh did you have a life with god before you were born and uh you know in order for us to look at this i want us just to look at a few points and then we're going to close off and i'll in terms of a good uh foundation a good conclusion but i want us to go to genesis chapter number one verse number 26 genesis chapter number one verse number 26 we have to look at where we originated where the human spirit originated from what is the original intent that god had for us what was the type of wording that was used what happened to adam what happened to christ what does the bible say about adam what does the bible say about christ and if we go to genesis chapter number 1 verse 26 we'll see listen here the bible says then god said then god said let us make man in our image now i want us to understand the word image very important and then it goes on it says according to our likeness so you have image and you have likeness there were people before adam there were people before adam they had the likeness of god but not the image of god adam also lost the image christ restored the image but there were people before adam they are the likeness of god but not the image of god we see this in the fall of adam and eve after they fell and we see this with unbelievable sith and the bible says that when sith got children they were in the likeness and image of god not the image and likeness no yeah it says in the likeness and image not the image and likeness and we see the whole thing turned around so let us make man in our image according to our likeness let them have dominion over the fish of the sea over the birds of the air and over the cattle over all the earth and over every creeping thing that the creeps on the earth so god created man in his own image in the image of god he created him male and female he created them so we need to understand that the difference between image and likeness spirit and body the body is formed the spirit is created the body is formed the spirit is created the body is formed from the dust of the earth the spirit man is created way before the body was formed uh the word likeness means it alludes to a form and a shape function walking talking that type of function but the word image is a resemblance a figure a rip almost a direct representation a direct copy so what happens christ comes restores us back to the image of the son of god restores us back so when adam fell what did adam do he lost the image not the likeness he lost the image christ came and restored the image once the image was back restored you have authority again you are right aligned with christ with god with christ the image of god is back on you the identity the original intent destiny and purpose when the devil looks at you he sees the image of god why was there no devil's manifesting in the old testament except for david when david or devil's gospel except for dave david made saul manifest and evil spirit left them but why were there no devils cast out the image was not restored when they saw the son of god they saw somebody whom has the image restored the image of god and devils began to realize they no longer have authority that image was given back to us so when the devil looks at you when demons looks at you what do they see they see the image restored the image of god we are sons of god we are not created songs of sorry we are not begotten sons we are created sons although we have been begotten through christ we are created christ is begotten so christ is the only begotten son we are created sons some angels are sons of god some are not uh uh uh so let's go to genesis chapter number two verse seven genesis chapter number two verse seven listen to this and the lord god formed man of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and a man became a living soul man became a living soul the word form is means that the body of adam was formed from the dust of the earth it was a body that was laid lifeless then something happened god came and breathed the breath of life into the body so the breath of life the body was a clone if you can think of those movies like a surrogate body almost like a cloned body just lying there dead when adam was created the body was dead was formed until god came and breathed the breath of life into him the word breath it means a wind it includes divine inspiration and it means soul and spirit in other in other places in the old testament so it means a wind the breath of god it's divine inspiration soul and spirit but then i want us to go further it says the breath of life and man became a living being the word life and living being there is what we call the word tie choice c-h-a-y is shy chaise which means living lives it means the life force and that is where we get the eastern power from or spirit from with which they call chai chi sorry chi chi so what happens when those uh what do you call them senseis or you know uh summarize and in it where they uh what do you call them is it the sensei alright but uh those guys that practiced like 40 years and you can actually see them on youtube and they would put their hand like this and power would hit people even 20 people it's like they move better in the in in in in enslaving peace laying people then then uh then some ministers what is it it's soul power it's all power it's chi they still practicing their chi but where the devil cannot create anything unless it comes from god but it's perverted so chi is actually biblical but please we are not endorsing chi we are just saying the devil cannot create anything he perverts it she comes from the original breath of life it's the soul so when they operate in that they operate in soul power and that opera that opens up the doors for demonic power to come in of course but it doesn't remove the fact that it originated from god ties the breath of life and even when you look at the tree of life the tree of life the word life chai the breath of something is his character let's just leave it at life force it's the very soul you have meaning that adam was lifeless he was dead lifeless and then a spirit came into him then life came to him then life came to him so we see that the breath of god in fact that word breath neshama speaks of an eternal breath eternal let's go to leviticus 17 verse 11. leviticus 17 verse 11 listen to this leviticus 17 verse 11 it says for the life of the flesh is in the blood and i've given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul the life of the flesh is in the blood and i have given it to you upon the altar of atonement god has given it to us and we're going to look now how this life was given by god and that's all good but we were alive before now people like but why can't we remember and this and that because we are inter-dimensional beings [Music] there's no difference between you and an angel except the fact that an angel doesn't have the redemptive power of the blood why did god not destroy satan why did god not destroy lucifer when what happened happened god cannot destroy a spirit he can only separate a spirit they are different laws and please when i say god cannot destroy a spirit i am not speaking of uh or not removing his divine attributes and qualities of omnipotency omniscience and omnipresence he's a divine quality of omnipotency because he created the lake of fire but guess what they're not destroyed they're still alive just burning forever so god had to remove meaning meaning yet to separate when a spiritual being was created a spiritual being doesn't operate via the words of destruction and death or destroying the way we think in this dimension god had to bring in and create a separation to come in these are spiritual laws so we are interdimensional beings that's why you cannot have a memory of what happened what is revelation about your call it's simply discover or remembering the conversation you had with god and what i'm preaching when i'm saying this like you're remembering a conversation it's not a doctrine i'm speaking to revelation but i can base a lot of scriptures on it uh do i put doctrine as a do i believe in predestination as doctrine yes not predestined not pre-election as in salvation but predestination as in destiny purpose calling the will of god our life being mapped out in front of us so meaning that the life of the flesh is in the blood it's not the blood it's in the blood the life of the flesh is in the blood so there's a life force in blood that keeps the physical body life blood but it but there's a spirit so you'll see the soul of a person going to heaven and the soul of an animal going down into the earth there's no such thing as a dog heaven there's no animals in heaven coming from the earth let me be emphatically clear on that am i saying there's no animals in heaven never there is animals creatures there's spiritual beings there and on the new earth there'll be a new earth like a natural creation here but it's uh there are no animals that will go from here to heaven the bible is very clear that the spirit give me that scripture in ecclesiastics the soul of the animal will go down into the earth down ecclesiastics 3 verse 21 will take yeah another spirit of a man goes up and the spirit of the animal goes down so what does it say it says who knows the spirit of the sons of men who knows the spirit of the sons of men which goes upward which goes upward and the spirit of the animal and the spirit of the animal which goes down which goes downward very simple very very simple uh uh uh do animals have soul because then they must know they don't have a soul okay they have a spirit but it's the spirit of an inferior kingdom you have an animal you have a man king human kingdom you have the kingdom of god you have different irons and different dimensions and different creations you have the angelic kingdom you have the man human kingdom you've got uh the animal kingdom plant kingdom what is the beloved there's a fish kingdom also somewhere there but then you have a biological or a what do you call it like a um yeah like a virus type kingdom and it can go very so you have different dimensions so um you know when it touches on the spirit of an animal and so now we can get very theological on it but they don't have no soul uh okay they don't have the chai the breath of god and bacteria and what made us different from animals is the fact that we have the breath of god we come from him you are apart from him a part of him uh genesis let's go to genesis 2 verse 9. genesis 2 i'm going to carry on reading and i know many of you can just say and listen if you don't have your bible with you but genesis chapter number 2 verse 9 and out of the ground the lord god made every tree grow that is pleasant to the sight of good for a sight and good for food the tree of life was also in the midst of the garden and the tree of knowledge of good and evil the tree of life there the word life chai shi and i'm not endorsing to you i'm just saying where it is originating from it's been perverted uh angels don't have souls either because they don't repent i don't believe it's a way to no no no no no no addre no no no no no no no they have a soul guys you must understand what is the soul and the makeup of the soul first of all what's the make of the world intellect and emotions so your spirit has three parts maybe you can help me it's communion fellowship and intuition so your spirit man is made up of three parts intuition fellowship and communion three parts your soul is made up of three parts emotions intellect and will then your body is made up of different gates okay but let's touch on the soul will interdict and emotions did angels have a will yes they still have a wall do you know angels can still fall let's leave that one for the apologetics and so on uh uh angels have a wall so we established every world do angels have emotions yes we can see those scriptures over scripture they have emotions do angels have an intellect yes so that means they have a soul and i hope this this brings clarity a lot of times we can watch movies so we can live you know we can and and and we just kind of like take what people say on those type of things or your uh new age type things and it doesn't line up with scripture so the makeup of the tripod white man okay spiritual body the spiritus reports the soulless three parts the body has many gates okay so um uh uh uh peaks pixel human dna and yeah so that is uh that is um is that transhumanism or not i'm not exactly sure but yeah we have discussed that and we will we'll actually do a message on um what do they call that word uh or um cloning like the uh the aj guy the jones guy um he called it um uh it starts with an e e when they mix endodermics or elegant in eugenics or no no is it eugenics so how come if angels have soul why don't they die like people yeah that's eugenics they don't selectively guys people don't die because they have a soul people die because they have a body listen let me help you here and this is good because it's a relative to the subject people don't die because they have a soul people die because they have a body am i right yes you live forever you have a soul so you can live forever your soul will be caused into hell and you'll still live there i hope this makes sense i hope this helps you guys and makes sense because when it comes to spirit soul body a lot of us are influenced with new age a lot of us are influenced with angel with with angelic uh doctrine what i mean by that is like your new age type angel things with worship and uh people just you know they use wording like soul and they mix it with spirits and people don't really understand that so it's good to clarify that and um i hope that you understand i don't mean that in any way but i'm just answering to to help and you cannot speak confusingly on this you'll see what do i use i use scripture i you know when it comes to spiritual body i know that that one very well so why do people why did the body die and we do what why do the people's body die and how do we know our soul will stay alive we know our story will stay alive by by believing in the in the word of god number one um that's that's actually it you know um lovina so so why do the people's body the body died because it's a natural body your dog dies it's natural laws your body has to die the paul says in the book of corinthians this body has to go back to the dust it has to go back to the dust and then we'll be given a glorified body a spiritual body but we have a spirited man inside of us and if you look between those who died before the rapture and so on they actually wouldn't get a glorified body you know so there's like in between and that's the spirit that is still alive there so no no no your body will die and those i understand there were people who preaching doctrines about immortality and stuff like that those are false doctrines it will make you so confused oh my god that even your question common sense itself um you know please do not believe in immortality uh and a sense that your physical body will not die the only time your physical body will not die is if you live in the time of the rapture and you experience the rapture at that moment that's the only time and we see that with uh both elijah and enoch as a part a a as a as a type and shadow of the rapture of the church it's very good to believe in the rapture it is we must believe in that but we need to understand that there is no such thing as immortality without the rapture this body by law has to go die even in the rapture if this body will be changed into a glorious body so you won't have this body in heaven it will be changed into a glorious body okay so but you can believe that just do not believe in immortality where people say i i will never die as a christian i'm gonna you know i know as a christian i shouldn't smoke i talked to myself about this daily is it true that god won't use me or blessing your life until like what jenny and good until i quit good question janine um uh no i think yes and no i i i you know look in our flesh we make certain sins greater because it's more visible we feel it's just i don't know human nature like that um it's in our human nature like that you know it's smoking will just harm you and your body it's not going to do anything to god that i can tell you what does it do it affects you it affects your body and it affects your testimony so we are encouraged that we are not ruled and mastered by sin uh i do not have a sin nature the moment i'm saved i get the nature of christ sin nature is broken it doesn't mean i don't sin no no no i sin but we are no longer ruled governed mastered by that sin the sin nature is broken so it's a uh once you understand janine once you're under really good teaching good preaching and we preach that people get set free by us is that you know you get out of condemnation and sometimes it can take like a year or so but you get out of condemnation you get under preaching of life and uh it's not focusing on that which you're doing wrong but more about what you're doing right and then those things once you sit under the right atmosphere on those things those things automatically fall off you know and your associations very important change your associations um birds of a feather flock together uh i understand if people have been smoking for 20 years or three years that's a bit difficult but you know depending on age and who you hang around with your environment the greatest change a person can the quickest way to change your life is to change your environment okay um so do not torture yourself because there's no condemnation in those who are in christ i'm not saying you can carry on and stuff but that is for you and the holy spirit doesn't make you any worse than does it make you not a christian not at all can god use you of course you can he's omnipotent omniscient and only present but it limits our testimony it limits our christian christian character smith wigglesworth smoke the pipe charles spurgeon smoked a cigar but that doesn't make tell me i can smoke uh you know it's um it doesn't tell me i each person must have worth but but it destroys testimony for example i choose not to drink alcohol because in south africa people's like ah if you're a minister you're drinking i'll go you know it destroys that but maybe if you're in italy it's something totally different so it's it's just it destroys a testimony it depends how you want to really be used by god uh in a testimony way god can only use you as much as what people accept you really at the end of the day what does jesus mean that he can throw both soul and body in hell does that mean the body is an altitude very good question very good question and that is something that i believe we tackled in our whole series it is a paradoxical scripture and it is a very good apologetic point that one uh there's a big argument against that so although this body has to go to the dust there's still a type of body like this that will experience even but in hell but there's a very good question uh very good question it's like some said that you will literally be given a body i can't remember if we had a scripture for that you'll be given a specific body for hell when we went very deep into that and that's not my forte and my niche so i don't have the scriptures right in my mind to understand i'm not a theologian but i remember we we did that when we went deep into the subject and it was it was quite interesting so um there's a scripture there's a scripture like that uh i remember he prepared the body for us and we're going to get into that now sorry for some sugar but if the soul gets thrown into hell what happens to the spirit the soul and spirit is together now also there's some arguments on that people say the spirit goes back to god um there's an argument we believe the spirit goes back to god for judgment and then gets been sent so there's a mixing remember when the spirit of god came in and especially the baptist of the holy where there's a mixing between the soul and spirit prophet is being proud and having pride the same thing and no no it's not a lot of people can say i'm so proud of my son and so on there's nothing wrong with that and our soul must go back to god through jesus yes but there the judgment will be made so do the spirit of people able to be reborn so that's what christianity is all about definitely so we are given the breath of life when adam when when the breath of life was given to adam from that moment anybody that gets born has the spirit of god in a context of the breath of life you cannot you cannot live without the spirit of god you cannot breathe without the spirit of god but when we say that we are baptized in the holy spirit and we get born again we get saved then it is like exactly like you're saying that it is a it is a um so the spirit of people are able to be reborn so it's a reborn it's a reviving so it's holy spirit coming upon your spirit so it's ex so that is being reborn being what uh uh uh jesus said to to to to netanyahu no um say to uh nicodemus at um john chapter number three verse eight he said unless a man is born again he cannot enter the kingdom we cannot see the cannot enter the kingdom of god unless a man is born again and the amplified says unless a man is born from above um flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom of god uh mind the mouth israel is taking place for the tribulation afterwards see before the rapture uh sorry before the tribulation okay uh makes me sad what that some posters don't believe the rapture happened seven years before the tribulation dr barry stone eddie henson led late to dr jacqueline mp and many more that i believe with yeah i'm not exactly sure on those teachings but um it's not seven years before the tribulation it's seven years before the return of christ so um the rapture will take place seven years before the second coming uh flesh and blood canada in the kingdom of god prophet is being pray okay so i read that the ministry of comments when sons will go to heaven they one entity or two separate entities very good questions and we tackle those things it is um it's very difficult to to to understand that dynamic but the way of just really understanding it it'll be together you understand although it's two separate entities um but it's very difficult because the bible doesn't clarify this is how it will be in heaven and so on we can just go on what is the meaning of spirit what is the meaning of soul what is the what is the definition of spiritual definition of soul the tri-portrait of man the spirit which is the fellowship communion and intuition uh and then you have um uh the soul which is uh will intellect and emotions and you have the body so switches the different gates so awesome awesome awesome so let's go on let's go on go with me to go with me to revelation chapter number 22 verse 2. so remember the tree of life was in the garden it was that tree of life that actually kept adam alive for nine hundred and something years now fourteen hundred sixty years and under thirty years now and thirty years and uh revelation chapter number 22 verse two listen to this in the middle of its streets and either side of the river was the tree of life which bought 12 fruits each tree yielding its fruit every month which the word tree is not really in there so each yielding as fruit every month the leaves of the tree were the healing of their nations verse 14 listen to verse 14 blessed are those who do his commandments that they may have the right to the tree of life and may enter through the gates into the city but we see the tree of life giving fruitful and we see how this was the tree that kept adam and eve alive or animal life before adam and eve alive before they're full uh uh uh i want us to go on i want us to go on go with me to where's that verse can you read for me oh sorry i've got a bit of silence like that can you go with me to romans eight verse three verse 26 this is romans 8 verse 26 how are you did you exist before you were born with god it says likewise the spirit also helps us in our weaknesses likewise the spirit also happens weakness carry on reading for we do not know what we should pray for as we ought to but the spirit himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered carry on uh now he who searches the heart knows that the mind of the spirit is knows what the mind of the spirit is because he makes intercession for the saints according to the will of god verse now and and we know that all things work together for good to those who love god to those who are the called according to his purpose 29 for whom he here foreign new proge moscow prague unosco um give me that greek word this is very important which speaks of a prognosis and a ganusco a knowing that is why we get the word for new for knowledge prognosis and my knowledge being put together sorry when the scripture says for new york prague in moscow yeah what does it say in the scripture what does it say it says for whom he foreknew he also predestined so just stop there so there's predestination but before there's a predestination there's a full knowledge so hold on these are two separate and two different situations that takes place before birth the first one that is taking place is what we call for new for knowledge this is god having a prognosis of a knowledge about you but it's not him only for knowing you the word know the is gnosco which means an experiential knowledge a relational knowledge very important that means that god foreknew you he even before you were born before the creation of this world before creation itself he had a conversation with you he foreknew you and even before he had a conversation he knew and he planned out your life why do i say he had a conversation with you because we're going to get to predestination right now and when god has a thought that thought is his words we are speaking of different dimensions here who is man that you are mindful of him and the son of man that you visit him i'm straining my voice who is man that you are mindful of him and the son of man that you visit him when god is mindful of you a thought in the spiritual realm is like a word in the natural realm when we say that in the spiritual realm again i'm saying and i can make youtube videos but again i'm saying the devil cannot pervert i cannot create anything he perverts so let's touch on telepathy telepathy is the language of a fourth dimension when you are in heaven you'll be thinking and it'll be happening am i saying telepathy is right please dear god no when we do those things and i'm sitting and i'm thinking let me speak to david in my mind that's soul power yeah and i want to make that very clear but i'm using the concept to explain how the spiritual realm operates especially when we get to event how the thoughts of god is as powerful the bible says that abram reasoned by faith and concluded that if he would kill his son isaac that god would have raised him up from the dead he concluded it in his mind and on the thoughts the bible says god said okay you've killed your son and abram's like in the natural but i haven't and god says no no you have in your mind jesus comes and he says those who lust after a woman in their heart is as if they commit adultery uh hope this makes sense so now the scripture where it says as a man thinketh in his heart so is he as a man thinketh in his heart so is he he doesn't say as a man speaketh as you are just thinking that is who you are i think the word telepathy made many upset that it's going to make many satans ah we know that's the power that we used i've never said i do it that is soul power i've seen people that try to do it when they don't understand how the prophetic works and they don't understand it's spiritual it's not soul-ish ezekiel was sitting with his wife yet god took him into another place for seven days while he was still i was looking for that scripture did we ever find it but he was sitting with his wife and was taking him to jerusalem for seven days wasn't it jerusalem yeah it was um yeah it just says the hand of the lord took him yeah a friend argued once the soul stays in the grave until the rapture recorded that's called soul sleep no scripture reference for it so it's called soul sleep no scripture reference for it um please understand that abram's bosom where was it it was next to hell yeah well all in the context it was so it was down yeah and it's all another thing when we get on to that yeah but there's another there's another thing uh that's why the bible says the earth ate up swallowed up people couldn't go up the only people that could go up was enoch and elijah there was no up yeah sure they had to go down because they down was their heaven until they were given a fair chance for salvation not one person will ever say they were not given an opportunity and then we see jesus went down and preached to the spirits and to everyone that was there and we see him fetching abram's bosom taking it up speaking preaching to the spirits at tatars very interesting do you baby prophet do you babies and young children grow up in heaven or do they stay small first of all we need to define heaven that's very important remember heaven is important i'm going to say it again heaven is temporal how is temporal how can you say that because hell will be caused into the lake of fire which is permanent heaven will come down to the new earth near jerusalem near it will come near jerusalem in new earth so heaven will only be temporal so we have to define we're gonna be in a natural world again uh a lot of people saying okay one more question when we die have your conscience right so assume according to the indie stories i've heard so we have consciousness also i would never believe that in these stories believe the bible guys very important remember the devil can also give you experiences many indie stories is unbelievers you can use it if it's believers you can use a little bit but always base it on the scripture i know somebody who died or just saw black now if i take that it's going to confuse my faith you know why can a person still have a dark sinful or negative thought whilst knowing it's not a thought in their heart a desire need a spiritual attack because there's a difference but a thought in your heart and a thought in your mind um and we have to renew our minds we have to renew our minds by the word of god it's a process our spirit is saved instantly our soul is being saved and our body will be saved if we are soul sleeping in the grave then what does it mean absol i'm saying we are not soul sleeping guys please understand me i don't know if i'm not clear enough i've never said we are soul sleeping never said we are sourcing so i don't even know what it means what it means is simply you just lie then you wait okay okay bible says to die for man once and then the judgment uh replying to israel's description it takes away them take allergic prophet yeah define um there was a big dust storm while driving back throughout the puerto rio yeah it's not this this is a this is a i feel this like this is the fumigation or something because i feel it like hurting me like really like stinging uh can people from heaven see us here on earth and pray for us very good question very good question and quite an argument that i have on that because the the lazarus said go and tell them yeah as if he couldn't see them so there's a great argument on on that one we we think of heaven as the dimension we are in right now and because of that we limit and it's important how temple is simply because the terminology hell is temporal and then it will be thrown into a permanent lake of fire when we say heaven we're speaking of a spiritual dimension but that will come down onto a new earth and for in the form of new jerusalem and that is why heaven is important because you'll only be there for a moment in time until it comes down into the new earth so we just always say heaven but we actually you know theologically it's totally different so that's what i mean by temporo so what's the difference between a trance and a dream totally different a dream is when you're sleeping in trances when you're awake let's get to four knowledge four new romans chapter number eight verse 29 it says he form you and produce predestined us so the word for new is god had a foreknowledge a prognosis knowledge about us then he predestined the word predestined means he created a destiny for us a destination and then we were sent on that assignment you were sent on this earth for a mandate an assignment a purpose no general no uh uh no military uh officer no military general send somebody on an assignment without that person knowing what the assignment is about so when you discover your destiny and purpose on this earth it's because you already knew it you just had to discover it now because you are a spiritual person who is experiencing a natural disposition if i can put it like that a natural experience so for knowledge let me just explain this so let's say so god foreknew us whom predestined us what is predestined predestination scholars break this up in quite a few different things and a lot of people when we use the word predestination they think we mean pre-election for salvation doesn't mean that it doesn't mean that it doesn't mean that uh yo uh then we won't be long tonight but uh this is this is this is uh eating me maybe i'll take the partners as a phone in the house or something um yo uh so scholars believe that when you are for ordained predestined that it means that god has ordained everything that will happen in your life and number two some of them believe that it means of salvation and they use that view they take scripturally to say about paul they use judas they say paul was predestined to be saved they say judas was the bible says that he went into his own place he was uh he fulfilled scriptures he had to it had to take place and they use that as as um pre-election you cannot because that is and then they take the false prophet the antichrist to say you know but they are pre-elected you are so we must understand that the antichrist false prophet is re-elected sorry is pre-elected for damnation because they are not human i'm going to say it again they are not human there's something called the seed of the serpent the antichrist have to come from the seed of the serpent very important it will be impossible for him to be saved yes it's so there's no like oh shame this person don't know it's not a person the seat of the serpent nephilim that is my viewpoint when you understand and read the bible in an innocent mindset uh with a with a you know when you look at the new testament if you look at corinthians you look at paul you look at colossians and uh you see how they uh read it with a mesopotamian worldview very important because they even use jude even use the book of enoch to give a prophetic type word so we in our western civilization and mindset battle to understand the concept or an inoculant mindset very difficult so this is the seed of the serpent antichrist so there's nothing they're not predestined as no no you have a as a person have a decision everyone has the ability to decide even though god knew in his foreknowledge and his predestination he so people like okay but if god knew we were sin why doesn't he save us he did god knew in his full knowledge in his predestination i'm sorry in his full knowledge in his predestination about you that you were gonna sin and therefore he created his son before the foundations of this world to bring in a a discourse and a rescue mission so god knew everything in his omniscience everything hence that's why he sent his son uh if if there was predestination or pre-election to salvation there'd be no need to preach the gospel so a lot of calvinists believe this that only some will be saved or some don't have to it's a calvinistic mindset um then there's no need to preach the gospel then there's no need for the bible to say that the gospel needs to be preached that is uh there's no need for that um if that was there was no there would be no need for the crucifixion there would be no need for christ to have died for sinners there will be no need for his blood if the if pre-election even comes into play so just as isa willfully chose to give up his birthright every single one of us have a choice to accept the message to repent and be baptized very very simple so the word for knowledge basically means to be known in heaven that god had a knowledge about it jeremiah 1 verse 5 the scripture says before i formed you in your mother's womb before i formed you in the womb i knew you before you were born i sanctified you i ordained you to a pro a prophet to the nations but the word there is new before you were formed in the room i knew you ayada you can you read me in jeremiah one verse five out of the king james version oh an apologist it's my sinus we just not places this needs a spring cleaning before i formed you in the new king king james uh before i formed thee in the bellies i knew thee and before that came forth out of the womb i sanctified thee now stop the right there billion women's two different things speaking about a natural and spiritual portia when the bible speaks about belly it's spiritual what is the belly of the earth isn't that hell open some windows no if i open windows here there's just going to be spiders all over the place and no really yeah but it won't come in it'll just be spiders because i'm in i'm in some bush area here and it's bush all over really and the moment you that's why we got fumigation so that they don't things don't come in but it's it's quite bad so we literally can't open at night with lights on inside it's not going to work so i want you to read jeremiah chapter number one verse 5 a little bit differently because there's a formation in the spiritual there's a formation in the natural and the natural god prepared a body for us while he formed every part of us there's enough salt water no can deport this no no i'll do partners no no the partners it's just i i'm sure if i just the moment i get out of here it'll be better so now we'll do partners tonight so so so for knowledge you were known in heaven you were set apart you were called you were commissioned ordained mandated by god i remember when when when when we planted the church i had encountered with an angel and uh uh and with that i never need man's approval or anything like that uh that was an encounter with an angel but in that encounter that i had with an angel that experienced side with an angel i remember being taken into another place instantly and i was in a military recruitment like a boot camp and a spotlight went on on me and as the spotlight came on me i saw everybody with was all in military clothes listening to generals and sergeants everybody gave way and there was a spotlight on me and as the spotlight was on me the uh the general on on that was like sending orders and giving people orders pointed at me and said now i want you to go that was directly when i say split second while i was still walking and talking with an angel it was like and i was gone into another place spiritual things is very difficult to explain and then i was taken from there into another place this was just my sending of uh off of um ministry i had a clear-cut encounter with god a lot of people want to do ministry they want to do planet church et cetera without an encounter it's it's not the measure of your encounter and the the revelation or the rhema word given to you is the measure that will carry you through times of trouble because it is that which gives you faith if you are appointed or promoted by man you're not going to be able to carry a divine call and stand through the prom to the troubles that will require power versus power prophet your body is communicating with you that something's not right the fumes cannot be good for you yeah look i don't know i'll finish here huh i'm moving in poison here i'll definitely want to partners in here i will i will move okay i'll take my phone and do partners um which reminds me let me just plug my phone in um so let's get on let's get on to let's get on to it i just want to make sure that okay the volume of the phone isn't going through so i have sanctified you set you apart i've yadah you the word yada is a knowing it's a sense of seeing but it means a experiential knowing uh let's go let's go let's look at jesus life the pre-existence with christ john john one verse john chapter number one verse one john chapter number 1 verse 1 listen to this listen to this in the beginning was the word and the word was with god now listen to this and in the beginning was the word and the word was with god and the word was god he was the beginning he was in the beginning with god all things were made through him and without him nothing was made that was made in him was life and the life was the light of men and the light shines in the darkness and the darkness did not comprehend it there was a man sent from god whose name was john this man came for a witness to bear witness of the light all went through him my that all with him might believe it says that christ was the word meaning that christ existed before he was on this earth john chapter number 8 56 john chapter number 8 verse 56 and i want you to just listen i know you might not have a bible to turn to john chapter 8 verse 56 your father abraham rejoiced to see my day and he saw it and he was glad verse 58 listen to this jesus said to the most australia i say to you before abraham was i am so he said before i was born i existed now i'm not putting you in the place of christ i'm just looking in the case of christ i'm not putting in the place i'm just looking at the case of christ it is illegal for a spirit to dwell on this earth without a body it's illegal why do you think demons are hunting for a body they need a body they lust off to the body they want a body they are disembodied spirits hebrews 10 verse 5 is one of the main ones i want to verses i want to get to hebrews 10 verse 5 therefore when he came into the world he said sacrifice an offering you did not desire but a body you prepared for me the word prepared they means to frame and join together he said when i came in you prepared a body let me tell you you were alive long before your body was alive god prepared your body for the function sorry for the purpose that you were created for not born for this created and this born if you are black it's because of purpose if you are white it's because of purpose if you have a body that is deformed the bible says uh uh uh uh let me not get for the glory of god i'm gonna get into that verse but i mean lord there's a lot of people that have like down syndrome am i saying it's the will of god no but many of them are bringing glory to god a body has been prepared i'm not saying at all i know people with down syndrome children and i'm not saying at all that that was god's will not at all but god used all things to prepare for the good uh god turns out all things for the good to those who love him uses all things works out everything together for the good so but a body was prepared a lot of people are not accepting of their body now you have plastic surgery you have all the stuff i've got a video today with poster chris it was on um uh uh uh uh really we have a live at a solar spirit we're born on earth yes so lavina we're preaching so everything we're teaching is in scripture i'm giving scripture references for this once you have an encounter with god you'll get revelation that hey i was alive um what was i saying just now the same is something important i'm saying something important just now yes so god created a body for you because of purpose because of the mandate that's been given to you your body a lot of people don't want to accept their bodies the way they are and they're going to they go into uh into plastic surgery they go into into all these things and we're watching a video on on on on tik tok and you saw this ugly woman and please i'm going to say ugly really ugly and what i mean i know god is now ugly no no no this person was ugly very ugly look like a demon and then they put makeup on and after you see the makeup on you'll be like but this is a model and you can see how really from the teeth to that person yo i thought i was seeing a spirit when i was looking at them so bad it is and then makeup changes now please i don't see you must accept your body like that okay but i mean you know with makeup these days you don't even know anymore that's why men must be careful with dating a swimming pool test no tattoos count as plastic surgery no i i it comes down to the intent i would say if i get attacked too it's not because i want to change the world i i i if i get attacked to it might be because of a reminder of something or a you know something like that but plastic surgery is because i'm not happy with the way god made me now i'm not speaking of plastic surgery for medical purpose or reason i'm speaking of the trend where people are no longer happy and what happens is they try to find happiness in something else and they don't get the satisfaction they they never accept who god has created them to be and i'm very very i'm very very very uh these things i don't like about my body and i think it has become so desensitized that we think okay let me just change it and so on and it's okay it's not we don't want to get legalistic there's nothing wrong with even if you've done many on your plastic surgery okay it's just that once that now becomes the it becomes such a way of life many will understand what i mean by that becomes such a way of life it's like people get it at the age of 20. for what reason it's because they've never been affirmed especially when it comes to women they've never been affirmed whether it was by their fathers or whoever that they are beautiful or that they are loved and then they try to find acceptance in the world in a standard out there that is not right and they end up more insecure they end up more messed up damaged out of a culture out there that is a culture that says you must meet a certain standard so i'm not saying you can be fat and then everything's fine be like go on diets and be fit i saw that one woman doing a um what do you know that woman that that plays in um what is that musical another musical but they that australian woman with a blonde hair big woman that was so funny and she played in um your fat amy what what is it what is it yes i don't know if anybody has seen her diet she's like a model now from that to a model i just saw that yesterday and i was as well okay now we're gonna have partners cancelling and stuff like that pitch perfect the testosterone and i'm speaking of testosterone and they're perfectly healthy then they take that to really it's it's all identity issues it's all identity because they can never really accept the way god has made them and it's nothing but not looking good you know we must be healthy we must look good but i know under honest i know i know people understand what i'm saying okay uh otherwise you can ask on your so so he has prepared a body for us framed it together uh let's go to um let's go to psalm 139 verse 16. psalm 139 verse 16. listen to this once you have an encounter with god you accept who you are yes you can change and you can become healthy but you accept who you are and that acceptance brings security and brings peace and only once you can love yourself can you love others when you do plastic surgery you don't love yourself because you're not happy with yourself and i'm saying plastic surgery in the culture and the attitude of just wanting to to to fit a certain image and meet a certain requirement it's very dangerous it's very it's very um it's very wrong for your soul very wrong for your soul very unhealthy for your soul uh just a random question totally unrelated but if gluten glutton is eating too much where do we draw the line because that's too much for you it's not too much for me say for example i eat all the time i constantly got something in my yeah there's no line to it um but we can be deceived then you have people eating out of what they call pleasure eating you have people that are eating in out of insecurity you have to be so yes you're right there's not a line but i believe that you can deceive yourself and unless there's somebody that can speak to you now gluttony is not it's more you know when it comes to controlling your belly oh the bible is the bob what is it says in jude it says they are there to feed their own bellies to fill their own beliefs only so the bible actually looks at overeating as a very sinful thing let me be honest if you study the subject of overeating and the better of filling your own bellies because you see again what is barely spiritual so when you have food going into your stomach there's a spiritual belly it's a direct it's a direct connotation that's why fasting is very powerful and gluttony means you cannot take control of your lusts your pleasures uh your the the pleasures of this life what does roman says that um they serve not our lord jesus but they serve their own baby yeah they serve not all jesus but they serve on billion now i can get into like uh watch many doctrinal so you can only serve god or serve your baby okay so um that's a bit heavy but as long as you can have control over your belly you can have control of your spiritual life when i've seen people change from drugs to food it's still an addiction so your spirit is created your body is formed psalm 139 verse 16. listen to this your eyes saw my substance david said yet being unformed so david is saying i had a substance before i was formed you didn't only even think of me i was there you saw my substance before i was formed being yet unformed and in your book they all were written the days fashioned for me when as if there were none of them before my day started before creation was taught you had a book written over my life you have the book of life you have the book of god's perfect will for your life you have the book of your own life three different books then you have the book of tears then you have the book of warriors then you have the book of remembrance and the book of the lamb's book of life seven books and we taught on that so very important to understand the book of life the book of god's perfect will for your life and the book of your own life very very important to understand the difference between those three books and we talked on that two weeks ago three weeks ago so so so david said before i was informed you saw my substance meaning you were even when god just had a thought about you already existing david wrote in psalm 1139 psalm 139 139 13 for you formed my inward parts your my spirit you formed my inward parts you covered me in my mother's womb i will praise you he created his spirit by this spiritual realities that was formed that was with coming a room coming into life for i am fearfully and wonderfully made more obviously our works i was skillfully put together and wrought in the lower spots can you remove the website the website is still on you uh lowest parts of the earth so there is an argument where people say okay when does life come into a when does life come does life come at conception does life come six months after conception does life come at birth uh when the child takes the breath uh when they are breathing uh life comes at conception according to scripture it's alive the child is alive at conception and there's too much scriptural backing for that life doesn't even come at conception life comes away before it your life before it so we spoke about the books of heaven then we can get into pre-ordination or pre-election where the bible says the lamb was slain before the foundation of the world but then it also says that those whose names were not found written in the lamb's book of life uh in the book of life but that doesn't mean those who preach pre-election take that verse out of context so when we say predestination pre-election we never refer to salvation we refer to destiny and purpose and when we put it to you know when it gets to a salvation a song ah it's difficult because when we say you know we just miss whatever doctrine cannot mess with our with god's divine attributes and qualities which is omnipotent omniscience so did god know you're gonna sin yes did god know you were gonna you were not going to uh you were gonna be lost in this world yep um but in his knowing he gave you free will and in his knowing he created a he he created the scenario for his son and his as a lamb to be slain before the foundation of this world for your sins in god's omniscience in his omnipresence on the potency skulk is saying we'd love to see you posted at our church conference one day dream week seriously oh i think i'll actually be there i think it's next week skulk i'll see you good if we meet it'll be good it'll be a blessing i actually go to boston once a month on a sunday and then uh we have a meeting uh a christmas shoe i saw a video clip my sister said where light sparks the moment of conception yeah uh please pray a word about my life he knew that he loved me so we see there was life before um before you were born you had a younger life everything about you existed before you were born your body was simply prepared for the function or the mandate you were given when god announced mandated commissioned ordained assigns set apart and sanctified you what does a revelation do an encounter with god it gives you the ability to discover the destiny that god has for you and discover what has been discussed long before the creation of this world the bible says that the lord said let us make man in our image just that scripture reference tells us and it's backed up in in in other scriptures it tells us that there was a discussion about your life there was a discussion what you were set out to do what you were going to do so romans 8 29 what just read it to me he foreign i want to just close off with this remember we said the image of christ it says um for whom he formed you for whom we form you which is you know he also predestined he also pre-destined so he foreknew you and he predestined you to be conformed to the image of his son to be conformed to the image of his son so he four knew that you have to have his son so god for knew predestined that you were gonna mess up that we're gonna be lost that we need the image of his son to be restored back into alignment and relationship with god what happens when our assignment giving you on earth is not completed and we die well it's exactly just that we die without applying completing our assignment and if we are saved we just won't get rewards if we are not saved well we are not saved but if we are saved we just will go to heaven empty so that's why it's so important to fulfill your assignment to know your assignment prophetic churches are very important that this makes you discover your assignment uh did we know new birth what our callings are did we knew before both of our callings would be exactly that's what i said now yes your mind just can't remember it revelation is simply discovering and remembering what has happened uh what is prophecy or vision it's it's it's memories of the future it's memories so when i said you have spirit soul bodies spiritual your tripartite spirit is fellowship communion intuition the voice of god is birth in the department called intuition intuition works with a subconscious memory [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music]

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Published: Thu Sep 16 2021