Did Jesus Rise From the Dead? | Yale 2014 | William Lane Craig
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Published: Fri Apr 18 2014
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I'm not going to subject myself to WLC again. I'm going to guess that he trots out the old argument that the only "reasonable" conclusion is that Jesus rose based on the idea is that it's the ONLY thing that could explain it.
It is a classic argument from ignorance. Provided any of the empty tomb accounts actually happened and aren't just myth, one could make up any number of ad hoc explanations of natural origin as to why. Every one of these would be infinitely more probable than a person rising from the dead simply because they involve things we know can happen.
Bottom line, is that if there was an empty tomb, we don't really know why and neither does he.
The story of the empty tomb comes from the Gospels. If you believe whatever the gospels say then Craig's argument is pointless because it is attempting to prove something you already accept as true. If you don't trust the gospels then you don't accept a key premise of his argument. So who is ever going to find it convincing?
It's only useful to people who already believe but want to think that there is some logical reason for their belief.
I have no respect for anyone that disables comments for their videos. He is either a controll freak that wants no discussion about what he says, or he can't back up what he says and he knows it. Jerk.
For those that are scared off by its apparent length, the lecture itself is only 30 minutes. I haven't listened to all of the Q&A that followed.
The one thing to really focus on here is that the entire argument rests on the idea that each book of the New Testament (especially the gospels and 1 Corinthians) is an independent, trustworthy source. Most, or effectively all, scholars do not believe that the gospels are independent, but rather that there is a strong relationship between Matthew, Mark, and Luke as they borrow from each other and seem to use common outside sources (a wikipedia link to get you started if you want to read more about this). Thus, every time you see him mention that something is "multiply attested by independent, early sources", he is referring to multiple books of the bible. The supposed independence is his strongest evidence in favor of the validity of Jesus' appearances after resurrection in his "Fact 3".
In the end, given agreement from these "sources" that the location of Jesus' tomb was known (fact 1), it was found empty by women followers (fact 2), he was seen multiple times by multiple groups post-mortem (fact 3), and the otherwise inexplicably firm belief of the disciples in his resurrection (fact 4), the best explanation is that Jesus rose from the dead because:
to which I can only respond with What?!, by what definition of "plausible" and how is resurrection agreeing with accepted Christian beliefs not simply circular logic. There are multiple ways to attack his "facts", my primary responses are to the idea of them being independent and the idea that they are trustworthy - that is, accurate representations of the originals which were actually written near to the time of Jesus' life.
So I'm OP... Just noticed my original text didn't get posted for some reason... Sorry if that caused confusion. I posted this just to hear some exchristians thoughts. I'm going through deconversion and thought this was mainly bs but maybe had some interesting points I wanted to look into more.
I would consider reading Bart Ehrman or Paula Frederiksen for some alternative views on the historicity of the resurrection. They made it click for me.
So was this posted by a christian who buys all of WLC wondering why we have a dissenting view?
Define "rise" and "dead".
IMO, Hellenistic thought was more ingrained in pre-supposed "Jewish" society, and therefore, a mythological being escaping from the underworld ( not really dead ) was actually a believable scenario for Hellenistic Jews and Gentiles.
Define "empty tomb". Define all the nouns in your propositions WLC; as soon as we have consensus about what they actually mean, then a debate is possible.
Except:
A. Accepting, for sake of argument, the historicity of the Markan account of the empty tomb, WLC makes a gigantic leap in logic from that to "Jesus really was raised." For instance, the figure who announces the resurrection isn't an angel, but a young man. For all we know, this young man had stolen the body himself (perhaps he was a Jew who felt that Jesus didn't deserve an honorable burial, perhaps he was a follower of Jesus trying to restore hope to the rest of the disciples) or maybe he had even witnessed other grave robbers steal it and was trying to comfort the women. The possibilities are many, and Craig mistakes a lack of certainty for a lack of probability.
B. He contrasts the Markan account with an apocryphal one, saying the former bears none of the marks of legend the other does, but conveniently never touches on the much more elaborate stories of Matthew, Luke, and John. Mark, namely, has no appearances of the risen Jesus. They see the tomb, young man tells them "He is risen," they run away scared.
C. WLC treats these references throughout the NT as presenting a consistent picture, but that's hardly the case. Matthew borrows Mark's verse in which the disciples are told to go to Galilee to meet Jesus and then depicts them doing exactly that. Luke drops this line and instead has them see Jesus for the first time in Jerusalem (which also makes it consistent with its sequel Acts, in which Jesus ascends from outside Jerusalem 40 days later). The Lukan reference to Jesus appearing to Peter, which Craig takes to correspond with Paul's statement, is quite oddly and ambiguously worded; Cleophas and another disciple arrive, saying they've seen Jesus alive, and then randomly blurt out, "And appeared to Simon!" While Peter's birthname is always presented as Simon Bar-Jonas, nothing indicates that they exclusively meant him. In fact, based on the sentence structure and the anonymity of the other person, it sure sounds like Simon is Cleophas' walking buddy.
C1. While I'm on the subject, don't you find it odd that Luke's first resurrection appearance is to two, previously unmentioned disciples and not to the women at the tomb or the
TwelveEleven? Not only that, but they don't even recognize him until after he's gone? My personal hypothesis is that this incident happened, but it was someone else entirely. Cleophas and (I'm just going to call him) Simon were on the fringes of the movement, so they didn't know Jesus all that well, probably only saw him from a distance, etc. But something about this stranger reminds them of him. And, once he's gone, they work themselves up into the belief that it was Jesus! Coupled with the apparently empty tomb, this could be just the spark the early church needed to begin a belief in the resurrection.D. "It is plausible." No, mofo. Just adding God to a scenario you can't fully explain does not equal plausibility. "It requires only one extra hypothesis: that God exists." Again, no. It also requires that God gives a crap about humanity, that he is especially invested in this one Jesus fellow, etc. You haven't demonstrated any of that, because that's ultimately what you're trying to prove. Therefore, circular reasoning.