Did Anne Boleyn have much of a relationship with Elizabeth I?

[Music] hi welcome to the latest installment in my series questions about amberlynn I'm Clara tre I'm the founder of the ambolyn files website also the author of several books on ambolyn and the blend family including the fall of ambolyn a countdown now today I wanted to talk about an answer if I can the question did ambolyn have much of a relationship with her daughter Elizabeth because of course and was executed when Elizabeth was you know just 2 years old so did she manage to have much of a relationship or an impact on Elizabeth well on the 7th of September 15:33 at Greenwich palace Queen Anne Boleyn gave birth to her first and only surviving child a daughter who was baptised Elizabeth and who of course would become Queen Elizabeth the first so I just want to set the scene here astrologers had predicted that Anne's baby would be the longed-for boy the prince that the king wanted the longed-for son and heir so sure were the king and queen that they were going to be blessed with Prince of Wales that a celebratory tournament had been organized birth announcement a letter announcing the birth of a prince had been written in advance and of course when Elizabeth was born an S was added to the word Prince that Tudor's didn't have standardized spelling so it wasn't a SS that was added it was just an S and the joust the celebratory joust ended up being canceled now you could read far too much into that and think that she knows a complete disaster Elizabeth's birth a king and creamer just really unhappy and canceled this jazz but that was actually quite normal it doesn't mean that the king was furious that having another girl as Eric Ives has pointed out in his biography of Anne Boleyn and I really do recommend his life and death of amber lynn he points out that that celebrations for the birth of a princess were always much more low-key than for a prince and back in 1516 when Catherine of Aragon gave birth to Mary the celebratory cows were canceled then as well is just because it's a girl it's not I'm sorry it's very sexist isn't it it's not the it's not the Prince it's not the the heir to the throne that has been born it's just her daughter so that was normal but still a Herald proclaimed Elizabeth's birth the Chapel Royal choristers Fang the Tate a.m. and their preparations started for a very lavish christening for the little girl and she was christened at the Church of observant friars at Greenwich on the 10th of September 1533 in a huge ceremony the little girl just being three days old at the time and did not attend her she was still confined to her chambers as she hadn't been Church yes and that was quite normal but the baby was taken back to her chambers there is absolutely nothing to suggest that Anne was disappointed with her daughter in any way recently there's been a suggestion that Anne was so disappointed that she didn't bond with her daughter and that has absolutely no basis in fact there is no evidence at all that and that was up that or didn't you know didn't bond with her her daughter didn't want her daughter near her or anything like that evidence actually points to an taking delight in her daughter and wanting to be involved as much as a person in love her status as Queen could be in her child's upbringing now and would not have breastfed her daughter although breastfeeding was seen as the best thing you know for a baby and as Elizabeth mother would not have breastfed because it was important that Ann gave the king another child that hopeful Prince as quick as possible so she needed to conceive quickly the story the idea that she wanted to breastfeed but that Henry the eighth you put his foot down said no you can't do that that comes from a fictionalized account by Gregorio Letty and is not at all factual it would have been the norm for a wet nurse to have been chosen it very well vetted wet nurse it was believed at the time that a women could pass on her sort of her personality her characteristics to the baby in her breast milk so the wet nurse it was important that this woman was of good standing was a good woman so she would have been well bettered and she's the one that would have breastfed the little Elizabeth now Elizabeth was removed from the royal court to her own household at Hatfield in December 1533 so when she was just three months old and that must be very hard for an as her mother I just I can't imagine what it would be like just to see your baby sort of have to go away and for you not to be there in control she was pushed into the care of her nurse Lady Margaret Bryan who was actually related by marriage I think to the Boleyn and kept in touch with lady Bryan for example when instructions were sent to lady Bryan to wean Elizabeth at 25 months the instructions came from the king with the assent of the Queen's grace and along with the Kings instructions there was a letter from an to lady Bryan now babies in the Tudor period tended to be weaned on gruel bread and sugar bread dipped in water or milk to make it soft I wonder if Anne's letter was explaining what exactly she wanted her daughter to have or whether she was simply inquiring after the health of her daughter we don't have that letter so we don't know what she was saying to lady Bryan now we don't know exactly how much time and was able to spend with her little girl but we do know the following we know that Anne visited Elizabeth at Hatfield in spring 1534 we know that Anne was moved to sorry Elizabeth was moved to Eltham just five miles from Greenwich at the end of March 1534 and that her parents visited her there a few weeks later we know that she was at court with her parents for five weeks in the first quarter of 1535 we know that Elizabeth was that caught at Christmas 1535 and was still there at the end of January 1536 when news reached the court of Katharine of Aragon's death because we've got that account of Henry the eighth's dressing in yellow and parading his little daughter with trumpets and that two masts so Elizabeth was definitely there and then we're not quite sure about this but there's a suggestion that she may have been at court at the end of April 1536 shortly before amber Lynn's full Alexander alesis the scholar and theologian described an as holding Elizabeth in her arms while she appealed to her husband while they were having some kind of argument now David Starkey discounts this account saying that Elizabeth probably wasn't even at court at the time she was probably at Hunsdon so we don't know whether Alexander alesis is just getting his times and dates muddled up or whether she was at court at that time and he witnessed this kind of what looked like an argument between Henry the 8th and AM and appears to have enjoyed buying items for her daughter's nursery and for her clothing as she couldn't be there herself you know two daughters household that she was going to be involved by ordering things for her little girl the account of materials furnished for the use of amberlynn and Princess Elizabeth 1535 1536 by William Locke and Mercer included fabrics for lining gowns fabrics for parklets for curtains for trimming and edging curtains for mufflers for sleeves and for a bed cover and then we have the debts owed by an at her death in 1536 and these included I'm going to pick out a few them for you boats hired from Greenwich to London and back to take measures of caps for my lady princess and again to fetch the princesses purple satin cap to mend it a purple satin cap laid with a rich call of gold the work being round ELLs of dark Damas gold made for my lady princess a pair of Pyrrhic for my lady princess delivered to my lady mistress now these pukes all pillow inks were a device just straighten the fingers I think it was that Eric Ives that pointed out or perhaps as day's donkey cart room which about how you know Elizabeth that was known for her beautiful long straight fingers is it because she used these periods then we have tuna quarter yards a crimson satin at 15 shillings and of Chuuk and crimson fringe for the princess's cradle had to find pieces of needle ribbon to roll her Grace's hair withal a white satin cap played with a rich call of gold for the princess four pounds and another of crimson satin a fringe of venice gold and silver for the little bed and a cap of taffeta covered with a call of damask gold for the princess now all of those items were in Ann's expenses so they were all ordered by Anne personally rather than Elizabeth's household rather than Lady Brian ordering them these were in Ann's personal accounts and Anne's involvement in Elizabeth's life and welfare and things like this ordering clothes for her child that involvement is shown by Elizabeth's subsequent neglect after Anne's execution in May 1536 in August 1536 that's just three months after Anne's execution lady Brian who was as I said Elizabeth nurse wrote to Thomas Cromwell about the lack of provision for Elizabeth saying I beg you to be good Lord to her and hers and that she may have Raymond for she has neither gown nor kurtal nor petticoat nor linen for smokes nor kashif's sleeves rails body stitches handkerchiefs mufflers nor beggins so Elizabeth had obviously grown out of all the items that she'd had all warmed them out and she's been badly neglected since Anne's death and Lady Brian is you know wit saying what my supposed support her and she's having quite anything all because you know Anne who was keeping an eye on things and was ordering things has now gone now thinking about Elizabeth hassle I already said about how lady Brian was a Boleyn rellis Elizabeth was actually surrounded by Berlin relatives from a young age her household included lady Brian her controller was her and uncle Sir John Shelton and his wife Lady Anne Lady Anne Bing the Berlin Catherine Ashley was related to the balloons through her husband John Ashley Thomas Perry was a Berlin relative all of these people were linked to the Berlin family in some way and they like to think that Elizabeth being surrounded by these people with links to her mother and her mother's family that she was able to ask questions about her mother because I can't imagine a child not wanting to know about her mother JL McIntosh who did extensive research into Elizabeth pre-accession household and also the period session household of Elizabeth's whole sister Mary wrote the presence of these Belen relations and the evidence of Queen Ann's interest in the material splendor of her daughter's environment indicate that and before her death was an important if indirect early influence on the development of her daughter's households culture Hemi v8 funded the household and had the final say in all important aspects of his daughter's upbringing such as when she was weaned but it was Anne who was guiding the routine behavior and agenda of the household and so I entirely agree with that and could not be a hands-on mother like you know we can be today and like a peasant you know women would have been at the time that was impossible when her daughter had her own household away from court and it wasn't Anne's role as Queen consort she had other priorities she had to concentrate on other things but she does however appear to have been involved as much as she possibly could so we could see how stamp you know on Elizabeth's early life on the 26th of April 1536 so this is just a few days before Ann's arrest on the 2nd of May and had a meeting a kind of intriguing meeting with her chaplain Matthew Parker now we don't know what happened at this meeting what Anne said what Parker said but years later when Matthew Parker reluctantly accepted the post of Archbishop of Canterbury in Elizabeth's reign and daughters reign and he didn't want this post he was ill I think he'd had fall from a horse and had been ill since and he just didn't want the position at all and he wrote to Williams thistle Lord Burleigh saying that he would not have accepted it if he had not been so much bound to the mother now and he talks about how havoc talking to and just days before her arrest and being bound to her sorry little dog deciding that she was to go to walk into the camera tripod and it to me it suggests that and extracted some kind of promise from Matthew Parker on that day in 1536 about Elizabeth's future he felt bound to Ann in some way he felt bound to serve Elizabeth in a job he didn't want because of what Anne said to him she may well have asked him to do all he could to look after and support her daughter and we just don't know her spiritual welfare or just you know if she needs you in the future please be there for her we just don't know we can only surmise speculate but Parker was actually a man with connect and Ann would have known that he was friends with the likes of John cheek Roger ash asked him William Cecil Anthony Kirk sorry it's like Euston station here dogs going in and out of the room actually cook William Grindle John D all all men that were incredibly intelligent and scholars and that and all men who Elizabeth would later rely on for advice and support she would rely on these men in one way or another is that coincidence it's hard to say I like to think that Anne got wind of a plot against her that she she must have known that something was happening at courts in by this time the 26th of April 1536 and that she was by meeting with Matthew Parker that she was taking steps to make sure that her daughter would be looked after she would have had no way obviously of knowing that her daughter would ever be queen but perhaps she was taking steps to make sure that her daughter would be looked after and there'd be people around that would keep an eye on her now there is this prevailing myth I'd say time time again on line that Elizabeth distanced herself from her mother's memory that she liked to draw attention to the fact that she was the daughter of good king Hal King Henry the eighth that she was the Lions curb but that she was embarrassed by her link to her traits her mother and that she never associated herself with ambolyn at all well that's an absolute load of rubbish absolute poppycock while Elizabeth may not have made any effort you know to to do what Mary does overruled the annulment of her parents marriage while she may not have made any move - sorry - to move her mother from the chapel of st. Peter adventure at the Tower of London to somewhere like Westminster the wall Elizabeth may not have done what mary did and you know got her the annulment of her parents marriage I'm overturned making herself legitimate she didn't take any steps to move her mother from the Chapel of st. Peter I'd think Euler at the Tower of London - you know a more fitting monument in Westminster Abbey or anything like that Elizabeth was proud to associate herself with Anne Boleyn at her coronation procession in January 1559 Elizabeth had various threw pageants as was normal for coronation procession and a Grace Church Street there was a pageant referring to Elizabeth's family tree her suitor roots and it included the following and this is a description from a contemporary source out of the which two roses sprang two branches gathered into one which were directed upward to the second stage or degree wherein was placed one representing the valiant and Noble Prince Henry the eighth which sprang out of the former stock crowned with a crown Imperial and by him sat one representing the right worthy Lady Queen an wife to the third King Henry the eighth a mother to our most sovereign lady Queen Elizabeth that now is both apparelled receptors and diadem's and other furniture due to the state of a king and queen and two tables so mounting their heads wherein were written their names and titles so there you have that's her coronation procession not long after she came to the throne Elizabeth is drawing attention both to her mother and her father and having their names above them at her coronation procession so she is not hiding the fact that she is amber Lynn's daughter then there's the fact that Elizabeth made good use of her mother's Vulcan badge now you probably know that amber Lynn's badge was a crowned White Falcon holding a scepter standing on a log out of which grew red and white roses well Elizabeth chose to use this badge for herself at times it was used on some virginals that she owned virginals being a musical instrument it was used on napkins and probably the tablecloths that went with the napkins that we use to celebrate the opening of the Royal Exchange in 1571 these also displayed Anne's coat of arms as well so you've got the Falken Falken badge and Anne's coat of arms and the falcon badge appears alongside Elizabeth's Phoenix badge and as the cipher er on a book written by physician and scientist William Gilbert of Colchester which was published in 1600 so different times during her reign Elizabeth was being linked with her mother's falcon back then you have in st. Margaret's church in to virtual Norfolk Elizabeth arms are displayed above her mother's Falcon badge now Anne's Falcon would not have been used with these things linked to Elizabeth if Elizabeth had not been happy about it you know you could say well that napkin that was made for the royal exchange was you know made by someone else and not by not on Elizabeth Commission that they wouldn't have used ambulance Falcon badge if Elizabeth wasn't happy she didn't want to be associated with her mother if she didn't want to draw attention to the fact that she was Anne's daughter then we have the rehabilitation of amberlynn in Elizabeth the first rain we have George Wyatt grandson of Thomas Wyatt the elder who wrote his sympathetic biography of an the life of the virtuous Christian and renowned Queen Anne Boleyn he could tell us sympathetic by its title he wrote that in Elizabeth's reign Anne's former chaplain William Lafleur wrote a treatise about Anne Boleyn as well his chronicle of Anne Boleyn he wrote that in Elizabeth's reign to another sympathetic biography of an focusing on her charitable giving then you have March Motorola gist John Fox of course famous for his acts and monuments his book of martyrs he wrote of an his and in his book is a Protestant heroine and martyr so you've got this rehabilitation of an in his birth the first rain if Elizabeth was trying to hide the fact that she was Anne's daughter she was embarrassed about her mother in any way there is no way that these people would have written what they did then you have the fact that we have portraits of and that all dates to Elizabeth reign you know we don't have contemporary likenesses about Anne apart from the 1534 medal the they're very cartoon kind of like sketch from her and Anne's coronation banquet seating plan and possibly an image of her from the black book of the Garter the portraits that we do have of an like the National Portrait Gallery famous one date to Elizabeth's reign so people were also painting portraits of this women and you know obvious three for the Queen I would expect so far from being ignored and his an ambulance memory was very much in the open and all of this must have been supported by Elizabeth then we have the locket ring and the intriguing locket ring the checkers ring as it is called because it's kept touch check as the country retreat of the Prime Minister the UK now I've been lucky enough to see this ring in the flesh as an exhibition and it is tiny and stunning it's just an amazing piece of jewelry now this ring belonged to Elizabeth the first it's the actual ring part of it is made from a ring of mother-of-pearl which is embossed with tiny diamonds and rubies the ring setting or the front of the locket attachment was set with six diamonds which formed the letter e over a blue enamel our for Regina the ring top also has a beautiful pearl and it really is a stunning piece of jewelry it's called a locket ring because although it looks like a normal ring it actually opens up to reveal two miniature portraits now and this would only be known that this that happened by the wearer it's not obvious to other people you know the opens up to reveal these now when I say miniature miniature portraits I mean miniature I mean the ring is tiny it's just the size you know of your little finger now you know look at your little thing yeah that is how tiny it is one portrait is clearly Elizabeth the first there's no denying that and the other is of a woman wearing a French hood and with features similar to those of Elizabeth the first now is there is controversy over who the sitter for this year who portrayed was the identity of the women depicted some argue that it's catherine parr you know Elizabeth's stepmother who you know Elizabeth was close to you know when Elizabeth was in her adolescence you know some argue that it's a younger Elizabeth but as Eric Ives points out his biography the costume of the lady depicted dates to the 1530s he also believes that the features match the portraits of Anne Boleyn as well that is actually quite tricky to say when it is such a tiny depiction of a woman I can't see why Catherine Parr would be depicted in this ring wearing 1530s costume when Elizabeth knew Catherine as her stepmother from 1543 to 1548 and then if it's a young Elizabeth why would Elizabeth be depicted as a woman in 1530s costume when Elizabeth was a small child in the 1530s Iroquois believes it to be Anne Boleyn and I agree with him it makes sense to me that Elizabeth would want to have this private keepsake of her mother to have it close to her you know on her finger is not on public display it's something special and private and it makes sense that it's her mother that she's got in this ring and the more I stares at this ring in the exhibition and you couldn't tear me away from it I was staring at it for a long time the more it kept saying my mind kept saying that sound that's how that's got to be an I just really felt that and high no feelings you know don't come into play but there you go I was even more convinced when I saw it it is so very sad and tragic that and never had the chance to see her daughter grow and that little Elizabeth was denied her mother in what was a travesty a miscarriage of justice now the real Anne Boleyn never gave this prophecy Elizabeth shall be a greater Queen than any king of yours she shall rule a greater England than you could ever have built yes my Elizabeth shall be Queen and my blood will have been well spent now that is a purely fictional speech given by geneviève Bujold playing Anne Boleyn in the wonderful movie and of the thousand days I really wish that Anne could have had the opportunity in the tower to have this visit from Henry the eighth and just to tell him exactly what she thought of it and did not have that opportunity but perhaps and would have felt that her blood was well spent at her execution on the 19th of May 1536 and who we know had this fiery kind of spirit at times she could rant and rave she could say things that she really shouldn't you know putting her foot in her mouth at times she could be very outspoken but on the scaffold on the 19th of May she kept scaffold etiquette scaffold protocol she gave the usual humble speech and confessing to be you know deserving of death because of original sin that's how people felt that everyone was deserving of death she praised her husband the king the father of her daughter and did she think of her daughter at that time well I'm sure she did and I'm sure she wanted her daughter's future her daughter's relationship with the king by not stirring up any trouble but instead making a good dyeing a good a good death dying with humility and not causing any trouble it's Anne's daughter who has gone down in history as one of the greatest monarchs of English history she ruled for over 44 years she is known for her golden age she is iconic everyone recognizes Elizabeth the first portrait Elizabeth made a huge impact on England and ambolyn made an impact Elizabeth has to be Nan's greatest legacy and and may not have been around for much of Elizabeth's life and I can't you know I can't say that Elizabeth became the woman she she did because of an because you know and influence her potential influence you know that was all taken away on the 19th of May 1536 but I think she she did her best to put things in place for her daughter and Elizabeth she she may have drawn attention to the fact that she was King Henry the eighth's daughter she may have been the Lions curb but I think she was also the Falcon she was the Falcons daughter she used her mother's Falcon badge she she was proud to be a Boleyn and I think we should remember that and not believe this myth that Elizabeth was embarrassed by her traitor mother and never never mentioned her never did anything to do with that because that is a lie anyway thank you for bearing with me and you know coping with the fact that's why I'm full of cold and my voice isn't great but I'll be back with more questions about amberlynn well more answers to questions about amberlynn in the future and you can check out the rest of this playlist and you can subscribe by just clicking roundabout there and hit the bell to be notified of new videos because I do my own this don't you to history videos as well but do have a good browse of the channel there are all sorts of videos on ambolyn the blends you name it it's there for you to enjoy so I'll see you very soon thank you for tuning in take care Oh bye [Music]

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Keywords: Tudor, The Tudors, Anne Boleyn, Elizabeth I, Starkey, Weir, Philippa Gregory, British History, Boleyn, Monarch, Henry VIII

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Length: 36min 24sec (2184 seconds)

Published: Thu Mar 28 2019