♪. LARRY: ALL RIGHT. SCRATCH A DEMOCRAT DEEP ENOUGH, ACTUALLY JUST SCRATCH A DEMOCRAT THEY'RE IN COMPLETE DENIAL. I KNOW YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO SCRATCH A DEMOCRAT. WHY WOULD ANYONE HAVE TO DO THAT BUT WE'RE COMPLETELY OBJECTIVE HERE. ANYWAY THEY ARE IN COMPLETE DENIAL ABOUT THE BIDEN SCANDALS. THAT'S ALL. EXTORTION SCANDALS, ANY SCANDALS, EXEMPT FOR A COURTROOM IN WILMINGTON, DELAWARE. JOINING US HERE TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THAT AND MAYBE SOME OTHER STUFF TOO, SANDRA SMITH, COANCHOR OF "AMERICA REPORTS" AND CHARLIE HURT, "WASHINGTON TIMES" OPINION EDITOR AND FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR. CHARLIE, POLITICAL MASTERMIND THAT YOU ARE IT IS INTERESTING TO ME, THEY ARE IN TOTAL DENIAL. I MEAN I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT DEMOCRATS WOULD BE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, PUSHING THE KNIFE INTO JOE BIDEN EAST BACK AND SAYING ON TOP OF EVERYTHING ELSE YOU'VE DONE TO US NOW YOU GOT YOUR KID LET LOOSE AND ALL THIS IS COMING OUT ABOUT YOU. I KNOW THERE ARE ALLEGATIONS BUT THERE IS QUITE A LOT OF EVIDENCE. WHY IS THAT? WHAT ARE THE DEMOCRATS GOING TO DO? IF THIS THING KEEPS MOUNTING UP WHAT HAPPENS HERE? >> I THINK THEY'RE IN A REAL PICKLE RIGHT NOW. OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE TRIED TO IGNORE IT FOR A LONG TIME. JUST IN THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS WE STARTED TO SEE THE WHITE HOUSE ACTUALLY ADDRESS CERTAIN ASPECTS OF IT. IN AN EFFORT TO DEFLECT IT BUT, THAT TO ME INDICATES THAT THEY ARE STARTING TO REALIZE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS TO IT. LARRY: KARINE JEAN-PIERRE, I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT, BUT KARINE JEAN-PIERRE, I WAS WITH SANDRA WHEN THIS HAPPENED, WHY IT IS SO COOL, THEY ASKED HER, OUR GUY, OUR FOX REPORTER, RIGHT? >> MARK MEREDITH. LARRY: MARK MEREDITH ASKED HER IF PAPA BIDEN WOULD PARDON HIS SON. SHE SAID NO. FLAT-OUT DENIAL. SHE MAY RUE THE DAY. >> HAS BEEN KNOWN TO LIE. LARRY: PAPA BIDEN EARLIER, HE WOULDN'T YES OR NO. >> WHICH IS REMARKABLE, RIGHT? SHE WAS A FIRM NO ON WHETHER OR NOT THE PRESIDENT WOULD EVEN CONSIDER PARDONING HIM. NOT WOULD HE, WOULD HE CONSIDER IT. LARRY: IS THAT THE PHRASEOLOGY? I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT. >> WE PLAYED IT BACK OUT FOR YOU, LARRY, WERE YOU LISTENING? NO, THERE ARE SEVERAL REMARKABLE MOMENTS IN THAT WHITE HOUSE BRIEFING ROOM TODAY WITH KARINE JEAN-PIERRE. ONE OF WHICH WAS THAT. ANOTHER WAS A REPORTER PRESSING HER ON THE PRESIDENT'S AGE, OKAY? AND, THE REPORTER SAID WHY DOESN'T HE JUST COME OUT HERE AND TAKE OUR QUESTIONS? I THINK YOU CAN LUMP THIS INTO ALL OF THIS. AT WHAT POINT IS THIS WHITE HOUSE REALIZE THEY'RE IN A POSITION WHERE THEY WILL HAVE TO START TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS? OBVIOUSLY THE POLITICAL PRESSURE WILL BE ON THEM THIS CLOSE TO THE ELECTION AFTER WHAT HAPPENED YESTERDAY. THE COUNTRY IS WATCHING. EVERYBODY HAS GOT QUESTIONS, SERIOUS QUESTIONS. LARRY: IF I WERE DEMOCRATS AND WATCHED THIS SWEETHEART COURTROOM DEAL BLOW UP I DON'T KNOW, I WOULD BE KIND OF TAKEN ANOTHER LOOK AT THIS PROBLEM, RIGHT? BECAUSE NOW EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE OPEN. EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GO AFTER -- PRIOR TO THIS, IF THIS GLOBAL IMMUNITY THING HAD GONE THROUGH THEY COULDN'T HAVE TOUCHED ANYTHING. THANK GOD FOR THIS JUDGE. WHAT AM I SAYING? >> I THINK THEY ARE INCREASINGLY CONCERNED AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THEY HAVE NO GOOD OPTIONS AT THE MOMENT IF, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE SOMEBODY LIKE KAMALA HARRIS, WHO I HAVE ALWAYS SAID IS THE, THE PRESIDENT'S INSURANCE POLICY AGAINST THE 25th AMENDMENT BUT NOW SHE BECOMES SOMETHING AFTER PROBLEM AND THEY WILL HAVE TO MAKE A REAL DECISION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THEY TAKE THE GARBAGE OUT AND HAVE AN ACTUAL PRIMARY AND OPEN THE FIELD UP SO THEY DON'T GET STUCK WITH ONE OF THESE TWO PEOPLE. AND I BELIEVE DESPITE THE MEDIA'S EFFORTS TO IGNORE THIS AND PRETEND LIKE IT'S NOT HAPPENING YOU KNOW I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE, IF YOU'RE NOT WATCHING US, AND READING THE "NEW YORK POST," YOU HAVE NO IDEA THIS IS GOING ON BUT I THINK IT IS STARTING TO BREAK THROUGH LAST WEEK WHERE WITH IRS WHISTLE-BLOWER TESTIMONY AND THEN THIS STUFF YESTERDAY. EVERYBODY WAS FORCED TO COVER IT. I THINK IT IS BREAKING THROUGH AT A LEVEL I THINK IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS WE'LL START SEEING DEMOCRATS STEP UP. >> DEMOCRAT DOUG SCHOEN WAS ON OUR AIR YESTERDAY WHEN ALL OF THIS WAS UNFOLDING AT FEDERAL COURTHOUSE WHEN THIS PLEA DEAL WAS FALLING APART. SAID THIS IS GREAT DAY FOR GAVIN NEWSOM. THAT WAS A BIG NEWS MOMENT. LARRY: PLUS YOU HAVE THIS DEVON ARCHER SUPPOSEDLY TESTIFYING MONDAY. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT IS OPEN COURT OR CLOSED HEARING BUT WHATEVER IT IS GOING TO LEAK OUT. HE COULD BLOW THE LID OFF EVERYTHING. HE WAS INVOLVED IN EVERY DEAL. EVERY PARTNERSHIP. HE PUT THEM TOGETHER. HE HAS GOT, I DON'T KNOW, ONE OR TWO YEARS FACING IN THE POKEY. MAYBE HE IS HOPING TO GET SOME EASEMENT. >> HE DIDN'T GET THAT IMMUNITY DEAL. LARRY: HE DIDN'T, SO FAR BUT HE IS WORKING ON IT. >> EXACTLY. LARRY: JOCK SMITH HASN'T APPEARED YET. THAT WAS A JOKE. IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, HE MAY BLOW THE LID OFF EVERYTHING. >> THERE IS THIS DIFFERENT MESSAGING COMING OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE THAT THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN PRESSED MULTIPLE TIMES THROUGH KARINE JEAN-PIERRE AND THIS CHANGING TONE OF THE PRESIDENT NEVER SPOKE WITH HIS SON ABOUT HIS FOREIGN BUSINESS DEALINGS. LARRY: SURE HE DIDN'T. >> NOW IT IS PRESIDENT WAS NEVER IN BUSINESS WITH HIS SON. THE SIMPLE FOLLOW UP QUESTION WHEN ASKED ABOUT IT THIS WEEK SAID NOTHING HAS CHANGED, ARE THOSE TWO STATEMENTS TRUE? ARE THEY STILL TRUE? IF SO, OBVIOUSLY THAT IS GOING TO BE A BIG PART OF THE UPCOMING ELECTION. LARRY: CHARLIE, I GET CONFUSED ABOUT THESE THINGS. YOU'RE A LIFELONG U.S. SENATOR, I DON'T KNOW, YOU MAKE 100 GRAND A YEAR, IT RAMPED UP A LITTLE BIT, BUT DIDN'T GET TO 10 OR 15 MILLION A YEAR. >> RIGHT. LARRY: YOU'RE A LIFELONG U.S. SENATOR. YOU'RE A VICE PRESIDENT FOR EIGHT YEARS. AND YOU GET YOURSELF, WHAT, A 3, 4, 5 MILLION-DOLLAR REHOE PEBBLE BEACH MANSION ESTATE. >> LOTS OF REAL ESTATE. LARRY: TWO OR THREE OR FOR MILLION DOLLAR MANSION IN OUTSIDE OF WILMINGTON, DELAWARE. YOU HAVE A INVESTMENT PORTFOLIO BIGGER THAN THE KUDLOW TRUST. CHARLIE, HOW DOES THIS HAPPEN? MOST PEOPLE GO TO WASHINGTON LOSE MONEY. WHEN SANELY WIFE AND I WENT DOWN FOR THREE YEARS, WE HAD TO DIG INTO OUR SAVINGS. WE DIDN'T MAKE MONEY. WE LOST. HOW IS IT JOE BIDEN CAME OUT WITH MANSIONS AND BIG INVESTMENT TRUSTS? >> IT IS MYSTERY, MAYOR REMEMBERING A SCHOOL TEACHER AND SCHOOL TEACHER'S SALARY. LARRY: OH. >> THIS IS GUY WHO RAN ON THE WHOLE NOTION HE IS MIDDLE CLASS JOEY NOBODY EVER CALLS HIM OR LUNCH BUCKET JOE OR SCRANTON JOE. THEY LOOK AT THIS SEE THE ENORMOUS WEALTH HE BUILT UP OVER THE PAST 50 YEARS AS A PUBLIC SERVANT IN WASHINGTON. AND THEN, THEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT IT IS THAT HE IS FIGHTING FOR, HE IS FIGHTING FOR HIS SON. HE IS FIGHTING TO TURN THE DOJ AND THE IRS AROUND TO PROTECT HIS SON, AND TO ME THAT IS THE REAL POLITICAL DYNAMITE HERE IS THE FACT THAT HE IS NOT FIGHTING FOR MIDDLE CLASS PEOPLE. HE IS JUST FIGHTING FOR HIS SON. THAT IS AN ELECTION KILLER. IT IS GOING TO DESTROY THE IMAGE, I THINK IT IS A FRAUDULENT IMAGE FROM THE BEGINNING BUT IMAGE HE IS TRYING TO BUILD. >> THEY SAY SPEAKING ENGAGEMENTS AND BOOKS, LARRY. LARRY: YOU KNOW, THE GREAT BROADWAY SHOW, LAGUARDIA, HAD A LITTLE TIN BOX, YOU SAVED PENNIES EVERY DAY, BUT IT IS IMPORTANT, SANDRA, THESE ARE NOT McMAHON SHUNS. McMAHON SHUNS ARE DIME A DOZEN REAL MANSIONS -- >> THAT IS WHAT JAMES COMER IS PROMISE HE IS DOING. LARRY: IT IS MIDDLE OUT, MIDDLE OUT BOTTOM UP. I MEAN -- >> THE VERY PEOPLE THAT THIS ADMINISTRATION SAYS THEY'RE OUT TO HELP THE MOST ARE GETTING HURT THE MOST RIGHT NOW. THAT IS HAPPENING WITH 3% NEGATIVE GROWTH. LARRY: THERE. >> REAL WAGES. LARRY: YOU GOT IT. THAT'S WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE SEGMENT ON YOUR SHOW. >> THAT IS BRUTAL. PRICES UP 16%. CONSUMER PRICES UP 16%. THAT'S BRUTAL. THAT IS NOT HELPING ANYBODY. LARRY: $3.70 GASOLINE IS HIGHER THAN TWO DOLLARS. >> HIGHER, LARRY. LARRY: WE FINALLY AGREED ON THAT. I GOT TO GET OUT. >> A McDONALD'S MEAL WAS $19. LARRY: AT THE, THE THING IT IS IN THE A BUILDING McMAHON SHUNS AFTER 50 YEARS. I'M IN THE WRONG GAME. >> THAT IS NICE TIE. LARRY: I WENT DOWN THERE THREE YEARS. LOST MY SHIRTTHIS GUY IS DOWN HERE 50 YEARS AND COMES OUT WITH MANSIONS ON THE BEACHES FOR GOD'S SAKES. >> "BIDENOMICS," BABY. LARRY: [LAUGHTER]. THAT'S IT. "BIDENOMICS." WE HAVE PICTURES OF THE MANSIONS? WE GOT TO HAVE PICK SURES OF THE
