THEMSELVES JAILED. THAT'S THE RISK DONALD TRUMP FACES. >> TESTIMONY RESUMED WITH DAVID PECKER RETURNING TO THE WITNESS STAND FOR A SECOND DAY. HE'S THE FORMER CEO OF AMERICAN MEDIA INCORPORATE, THE PARENT COMPANY OF THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER. PECKER REVEALED HE WAS PRESENT AT DONALD TRUMP'S 2015 CAMPAIGN ANNOUNCEMENT AT TRUMP TOWER AND SAID FORMER TRUMP ATTORNEY COHEN TOLD HIM HE SHOULD BE THERE. THREE MONTHS LATER THE THREE MEN HAD A MEETING. PROSECUTIONS ALLEGED THAT'S WHEN THE ELECTION SCHEME HATCH. PECKER TOLD TRUMP AND COHEN HE WOULD BE THEIR QUOTE EYES AND EARS ON STORIES THAT COULD BE DAMAGING TO TRUMP. HE WOULD RUN POSITIVE STORIES ABOUT TRUMP AND RUN NEGATIVE STORIES ABOUT HIS OPPONENTS. THE ARTICLES INCLUDED STORIES ABOUT THEN-TRUMP RIVALS AND NOW ALLIES SENATORS TED CRUZ AND MARCO RUBIO AND BEN CARSON. PECKER SAID COHEN WOULD CALL AND SAY, WE'D LIKE YOU TO RUN AN AN ARTICLE ON A SPECIFIC TARGET. THE ENQUIRER WOULD EMBELLISH IT FROM THERE. THE WE COHEN REFERRED TO, PECKER SAID HE UNDERSTOOD IT TO ME COHEN AND TRUMP. BARBARA, CAN YOU GO BACK TO WHAT IS THE LAW THAT PROSECUTORS ARE TRYING TO PROVE THAT TRUMP BROKE, OR WHAT IS THE CRIME THAT TRUMP COMMITTED, THAT HE'S SITTING THERE IN COURT FOR AND HOW DOES PECKER'S TESTIMONY HELP CORROBORATE THAT IN ANY WAY? >> OF COURSE, THE LAW HERE IS FALSIFICATION OF BUSINESS RECORDS TO CONCEAL THE COMMISSION OF ANOTHER CRIME, I THINK WHAT THE PROSECUTORS HAVE DONE THAT'S VERY HELPFUL IS TO START WITH THE CRIME AND TALK ABOUT THE FALSE MY CASE OF THE BUSINESS RECORDS AS THE COVER-UP. SO HERE, THE CRIME IS A STATUTE UNDER NEW YORK LAW, 17-152 THAT MAKES IT A CRIME TO CONSPIRE TO PROMOTE OR PREVENT THE ELECTION TO ANY OFFICE BY UNLAWFUL MEANS. CAMPAIGN EXPENDITURES WITHOUT THE INTENT TO REPORT THEM. COHEN PAID $130,000. NATIONAL ENQUIRER PAID $30,000 AND $120,000 TO KAREN McDOUGAL. THOSE PAYMENTS MAKE THIS ILLEGAL. CRIME IS COMMITTED. IT'S ENOUGH THEY FALSIFIED WITH THE INTENT TO DO THAT BUT THEY'VE ALSO GOT THAT EVIDENCE OF ILLEGAL CAMPAIGN EXPENDITURES. IT EXTENDED ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE ELECTION AND BEYOND THROUGHOUT THIS COVER-UP. >> SO, LISA, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT -- I KNOW THIS IS SORT OF LOOKING AT SORT OF THE EXTERIOR THINGS, IN THE COURTROOM JUST THE DEMEANOR OF TRUMP AND JUST WATCHING THIS CLOSELY FROM HOME, SEEING HIM COMING INTO COURT FROM THE BEGINNING I FEEL LIKE, I DON'T WANT TO OVERSTATE IT, HE SEEMS VERY SUBDUED, HIS COLORFUL PERSONALITY IS ALMOST TURNED GRAY IF I COULD, I JUST WONDER IF IT'S THE WALKING IN AND HAVING TO SIT DOWN, CAMERAS IN HIS FACE, ARCH ENEMIES IN HIS COURTROOM EVERY DAY, IS IT GETTING TO HIM OR THE CASE ITSELF BOTHERING HIM IN DAVID PECKER SITTING THERE AND EVERYBODY ASKING DAVID PECKER OR TALKING ON THE AIR ABOUT QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT DAVID PECKER KNOWS, I'M THINKING IT'S POSSIBLE THAT DAVID PECKER HAS A FEW MORE SECRETS ABOUT DONALD TRUMP THAN THE ONES THAT ARE BEING DISCUSSED. >> I THINK YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, I EXPECT DAVID PECKER TO BE ON THE STAND THROUGH THE END OF THE WEEK. I THINK THE PROSECUTION HAS AT LEAST SEVERAL MORE HOURS OF DIRECT TESTIMONY WITH DAVID PECKER. FIRST OF ALL, WE LEFT OFF YESTERDAY WITH THE BEGINNING OF THE KAREN McDOUGAL SETTLEMENT, THAT MEANS WE HAVE TO TALK THROUGH THAT STORY, THE STORMY DANIELS SETTLEMENT AND THE ENQUIRER'S INVOLVEMENT IN THAT. AS YOU MENTIONED, THROUGH 2017 WHEN WE KNOW THAT DAVID PECKER SAW TRUMP AT LEAST TWICE WHERE HE WAS THANKED BY TRUMP FOR HIS CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE ELECTION. AS YOU NOTED A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS STILL TO TESTIFY TO. DAVID PECKER TESTIFIED YESTERDAY TO AT LEAST TWO CONVERSATIONS DIRECTLY WITH DONALD TRUMP. THAT AUGUST 2015 MEETING THAT TRUMP AND COHEN INVITED HIM TO, WHEN HE GOT TO, WHAT CAN YOU DO FOR US IN RELATION TO THE CAMPAIGN? WHAT CAN YOU PERSONALLY DO? WHAT CAN THE ENQUIRER DO? HE ALSO TALK ABOUT A CONVERSATION ON THE PHONE WITH DONALD TRUMP WHEN KAREN McDOUGAL SURFACED. MICHAEL HAS TOLD ME ABOUT KAREN, WHAT DO YOU THINK? WE KNOW FROM DAVID PECKER'S BEGINNING TESTIMONY HE TALKED TO TRUMP ONCE HE BECAME A CANDIDATE AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK BY PHONE AND SAW HIM IN PERSON ONCE A MONTH. WHAT'S NOTABLE ABOUT THAT, HE SAW AND TALKED TO TRUMP MORE AFTER HE BECAME A CANDIDATE THAN HE DID BEFORE. USUALLY WHEN PEOPLE RUN FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND BECOME A PAY JAR PARTY NOMINATION THEY HAVE LESS TIME FOR THE OTHER PEOPLE IN THEIR LIFE AS THEY'RE BLANKETING THE TRAIL. >> THE CHECK BOOK JOURNALISM THAT WAS LAID OUT IN FULL DISPLAY IN THE COURTROOM. DEFINITELY WHEN I WAS GROWING UP, YOU'RE YOUNGER, GOING TO THE GROCERY STORE WITH MY MOM THERE WAS NATIONAL ENQUIRER, CRAZY PICTURES OF FAMOUS PEOPLE AND CRAZY STORIES, IS THE THEME HERE IS THAT ENQUIRER COULD MOVE THE METER ON THE WAY PEOPLE THINK, DO PEOPLE SEE THIS AS JOURNALISM, IS THIS SURPRISING TO THE JURY. >> ONE OF THE MOST DISTURBING PARTS AS A JOURNALIST OF THIS CASE TO ME, DAVID PECKER'S DESCRIPTION IS CHECKBOOK JOURNALISM. I WOULDN'T CALL IT JOURNALISM AT ALL. GENERALLY YOU DON'T PAY FOR STORIES. THAT'S NOT HOW JOURNALISTS OPERATE WHEN THEY'RE ETHICAL. BUT THE THING ABOUT THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER, NUMBER ONE, IT'S A THROWBACK. I DO THINK IT FEEDS INTO, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHICH IS, YOU USED TO SEE IT AT THE GROCERY STORE BEFORE YOU CHECKED OUT AND YOU'D SAY, GEE, I WONDER IF THAT'S TRUE. THE HALLMARK OF WHAT DONALD TRUMP DOES AND HE INSTRUCTS THOSE AROUND HIM TO EXPRESS DOUBT TO PLANT A SEED WHETHER IT'S CONSPIRACY OR A LIE AND ALLOW IT TO BLOSSOM KIND OF
