David Pawson: Theology and Scripture

if any of you have ever been engaged in reconciling two estranged people you know that the first problem is to help each of them to see the faults on their own side because at first each of them will tell you what's wrong with the other and and as long as they do that there is no hope of reconciliation but when they begin to see things that could be corrected in themselves then there is real hope usually the reconciler will be blamed by both sides but as long as reconciliation is achieved that's the main thing now as long as evangelicals can see what's wrong with charismatic sand as long as charismatic s-- can see what's wrong with evangelicals there'll be no progress but when each says there might be something on my side that needs correction then there's going to be real hope and so I'm now going to deal with seven areas in which there are still differences between these two major streams you don't resolve differences by sweeping them under the carpet or trying to forget them you resolve them by facing them and asking which of them is right or which wrong or whether both could be wrong or both could be right but differences must be brought right out into the open before they can be resolved the seven areas are these the area of theology the area of scripture the area of initiation the area of glossolalia that's just a Greek word for tongues but it sounds even worse the area of ministry and finally the area of worship it is in these seven areas that the two streams are not yet together and I'm going to deal with each by pointing out to each side what could be wrong on their side not what's wrong on the other it's much better to say Lord is it I than to say Lord I hope he's listening to that and we need to examine ourselves the Bible constantly tells you to examine yourself not other people and so under each heading I've got something for the charismatic stew think over and probably put right and something for the evangelicals there's no significance in the color though purple is very lazy ass tickle and red is very radical actually in my originals for this it was red and blue I thought evangelicals a true blue and charismatic so the recent Reds but there's no significance in the color except that whenever you see red if you're a charismatic that's for you all right so if you see red in what I say you're a charismatic but the purple is for those ecclesiastical evangelicals to ponder all right now first roll the area of theology don't be frightened by that word it simply means to think about God and theology is thinking about God biblical theology is thinking about what God says in his word and I would like to think I'm a biblical theologian theology plays a part in all our lives you are a theologian what you think about God is your theology but some people become more conscious of theology than others and study it more well in this realm I want to begin with charismatic son dealing with them first every time no particular reason but it just means we're consistent to the charismatic so I want to say very strongly experience is not theology unfortunately charismatic sar often accused of building their thinking on their experience rather than on theology and there is a big element of truth in that we have been through what has been called the existential era an era in which experience and expression are the two major thrusts and we've lived through a whole decade or two that has put tremendous stress on feelings on emotions on experience on subjective feelings if it feels right it must be right if I don't have any feelings nothing is happening even worship has often been tested by whether people have felt they were worshiping or not actually that's not the real test the real test of good worshipers whether God feels anything about it or not but we often test our worship well I didn't feel very good about worship this morning I didn't feel I was into things this morning and so we've been dominated with with this terrific emphasis on feelings on emotional stimulation so we live in a world of trips whether the young people take a trip on marijuana or older people take a trip to Majorca we we we take trips to experience something new or we look for new gastronomic experience we'll do Chinese food tonight Indian food tomorrow and Thai the next night we're looking for new experiences and many are looking for an experience of the holy spirit whereas the holy spirit was not given to us for experience but for equipment when Jesus said you'll be baptized in the Holy Spirit he didn't say you have a wonderful experience he said you'll be equipped with power but the search for a new experience is very strong and of course music is very prominent in that because music touches your feelings where other things don't and so there's a wave of music I'm talking about the world now not just the church but a wave of music that has become far more dominant in culture than it was before especially music with a strong beat especially loud music and then the stress on self-expression and self fulfillment and even self-love as one young lady said to me I love to lie on the beach and love myself which was a jolly good description of sunbathing I thought but this search for experience and expression is part of an existential era now it doesn't take a very discerning person to see that that is inside the church as well as outside and that both experience and expression are very much more emphasized within church than it was twenty years or than either word twenty years ago electronic music has taken over from the piano and the organ loud singing dancing aerobic worship as I mentioned disco worship I sometimes call it and the stress on love yourself been enormous stress on loving yourself and finding your own gifts and learning to express yourself comes as a shock to some people that Paul said when you gather together for worship your major objective is not to express yourself but to edify the others that's a bit of a shock when we're encouraged by worship leaders express yourself if you want to get up and dance do serve you want to sit do so well let's express yourself express yourself that's not a biblical emphasis it's part of a whole existential move around us and as I've said it has led to seeking the Holy Spirit for experiences rather than for equipment to serve others more effectively now since this is happening in the world outside and is now happening in the church inside that raises a question is what is happening inside of God or not or is it yet another case of the world influencing the church are we picking all this up from the culture as it now is in the world or is it something god is leading us into that's an important question and there are three possible answers and the third is the one that I inclined to will let me give you the other two the first and so that many older people give is that this is of the world it's not of God at all it's the world getting into the church the world's music getting into worship it's simply the church yet again conforming to the world a classic example the flower people and the Jesus Movement this is clearly the church following the world now if you take that attitude then you reject all of it and say we don't want it the opposite view is taken by younger people who say no this is God meeting the world and matching it with the genuine article whereas the world has the counter feet in other words this is the genuine experience that Jesus experienced to counteract all the false experiences that people seek through drugs and other things take a trip on Jesus because that's real in other words this is God leading the church to put the gospel in a form that the present world will understand therefore it is of God that usually leads to a total acceptance of it all I believe the third answer is the right one that what is happening in the church today is a mixture of what God is doing by his Spirit and what the world is encouraging us to do by its culture and that therefore we need very careful discernment and we don't need to accept every experience as of God even though every experience is real now let me illustrate this in two ways I said earlier there are three forms of tongues there is a divine tongue that is inspired by the Spirit of God there is a human tongue which is purely of the flesh and there is a satanic tongue which is inspired by the devil how do you tell the difference well the divine tongue is a real language and when used it edifies the person using it it builds them up strengthens their spirit the fleshly tongue is not a language it is pure babbling there is one preacher going running and telling people to say banana backwards and then telling them they've got the gift that is babbling fortunately it doesn't do any harm to people and it doesn't do any good either it's just babbling it's of the flesh satanic tongue however it is another real language but its content will be blasphemy and obscenity and it will have a damaging effect on the spirit of a person now those three tongues may sound much the same to a superficial ear but we need discernment or else we're accepting everything without distinguishing similarly there are three sorts of spiritual healing there is divine healing which whether it be quick or gradual is permanent and complete and not only is the body healed with divine healing but the Spirit is strengthened and edify the whole person benefits from a divine healing a fleshly healing is due to hypnotism or autosuggestion and a person will be free of the condition for a time but it will return and they will need further ministry and further ministry and further and actually it has no effect on the spirit neither good or evil a satanic healing such as may be obtained through a spiritus medium will be a physical healing quite real but will have a devastating and disorienting effect on the spirit and interestingly enough somebody who has been healed through satanic power if they come to Christ later the physical condition will return it's as if it's just been shifted from the body to the spirit and comes back again to the body when a person is released from the devil's hold so you see we need discernment how we going to discern experience if we simply say if somebody has a real experience it must be of God then we are vulnerable to all kinds of deception and what provides that discernment is theology Theology understanding what the Bible says about God and how he works that's what helps you to discern for example somebody said to me once in a pastor seminar do you believe in being slain in the spirit I said of course I do it's biblical Ananias and Sapphira had the experience and I said if you want to be slain in the spirit just tell a lie about how much you put in the offering and be sure you have Simon Peters you pastor and you too can be slain in the spirit now the pastor who asked this said David you're evading the question you know perfectly well what I mean I said what do you mean I said it sound like killed in the spirit but he said you know what I mean I mean falling on the floor I said well why didn't you call it that why did you use an unbiblical term to describe it the Bible talks about people falling on the ground why don't we because as soon as you use a phrase like slain in the spirit for people to fall down when they prayed for you've introduced non biblical terminology and whenever you introduce non biblical terminology you invariably introduce non biblical theology now to spell that out in simple terms yes I've prayed for people they fall on the floor that is biblical Ezekiel fell on the ground Paul fell on the ground John fell on the ground was quite common in the Bible but it never says they were pushed over by the spirit you notice that in fact with Ezekiel the spirits that get up on your feet I haven't finished talking to and in one point it says the spirit lifted me up so the spirit lifts people up he doesn't push them down the point is that in the Bible falling on the ground is a perfectly normal response to the presence of God it is a human reaction to the Lord it is not a divine action and therefore studying biblical theology helps you to discern the experience I have no objection somebody falling on the floor what I do object to is people saying that that means God has done something doesn't mean that at all and you need to make very sure that something has really happened and go on ministering to them until it does you follow me in other words if you just accept the experience and then give it an impressive label you really are vulnerable to deception and self-deception is the worst form of deception another example is quite a craze these days over what's called territorial spirits that before you run a crusade anyway you find out the name of the spirit binding that town and you get him bound and then you can get on with your job of evangelist and I'm putting it crudely but there are books about it now there is no biblical basis for that technique whatsoever there is only one verse in my Bible that talks about territorial spirits that's in Daniel 9 where there's a Prince of Persia and a Prince of Greece but Daniel is told about them but he's not told to do anything about them it's an archangel that deals with both of them Jesus sent us into the world to make disciples not to go hunting spirits and I noticed that both Jesus and Paul dealt with evil spirits and cast them out only after they had manifested themselves neither went looking for them they didn't go picking a fight with demons to bind them but when they were manifest then they dealt with them in the power of the spirit now you see once again we get caught up in a charismatic fashion or a real experience there's no doubt it's real but we make too much of it we make a technique of it because of the lack of discernment and some objective judgment about it this is where charismatic do fall into a situation where they can be accused of building their theology on their experience rather than the other way around so there are three things we need to do with experience the first is to test it and the only way to test it and find out if it's genuinely of God is to apply Scripture to it and see if this is the spirit operating in the way scripture says he does because he doesn't contradict himself or tell lies and the spirit is consistent with Scripture all the time he inspired Scripture second thing we need to do with an experience is to understand it to understand what has happened and why it happened and again the scripture helps us not only to test it to see if it's a God once we know it is of God the scripture helps us to understand why it happened and what was its purpose in God doing that and the third thing we need scripture for is to communicate that experience so the one thing you can't do is communicate your experience to someone else because your experiences unique to you and when you try and communicate an experience to someone else you're in danger of manipulating them and forcing them into an artificial experience that isn't real in the New Testament they never tried to communicate an experience what they did was communicate the truth that led them to that experience so that another person may also experience that truth do you follow me in other words instead of trying to get somebody else into that experience they communicated to them the truth that led to that experience so that it will lead to that experience in them Ron saying I've had a wonderful experience let me try and give it to you you don't communicate experience as you communicate truth it's one of the dangers of testimonies that you're constantly trying to communicate an experience and one person's experience of God is quite different from another's mind you some testimonies I have real problems with do you know the sort of testimony I came to Jesus and all my troubles were over have you heard that kind I don't even believe they're true my testimony is very much contrary that it's I came to Jesus and my troubles began and then I got filled with the spirit and my troubles got much worse and I've been in more trouble in the last three years than in the previous 30 but hallelujah Jesus said in the world you'll have big trouble but he said cheer up I'm on top of it said to a friend of mine how are you he said I'm very well over the circumstances well now that's charismatic and charismatic Smurfs be told your experience is not theology you need to study the Word of God and get a bit of theology into you so that you can test your experience understand it and communicate it properly without trying to manipulate others but now I have a word for evangelicals under this heading of theology and that is doctrine is not dynamic but among many evangelicals if your doctrine is sound then you're OK but doctrine is not dynamic you can have a sound doctrine of the Holy Spirit and be able to give lectures on it and never experience it's dynamic and we need both doctrine and dynamic either without the other becomes one-sided but in many of angelical circles a person is approved who holds the right views who knows the right texts and can give the right answers whether they are experiencing power or not and faith becomes an intellectual acceptance of the truth which it never is in the New Testament but do you accept this as true right you're a believer that is not the concept of faith in my New Testament it is a profession of faith have you ever noticed that the New Testament never talks about profession of faith faith is not something you profess and people who approach faith intellectually purely as doctrine as theology they develop theological systems like Calvinism or a reformed theology or dispensationalism and the trouble is when you develop a theological system it may be terribly logical but first some scriptures don't fit it you have what you call difficult passages then but second you start shutting other people off from fellowship who are are not in your system and logic replaces life if you're not careful and arguments lead to divisions among Christians friend of mine was asked are you a millennial premillennial or post millennial and his reply was that is a preposterous he had his views but he wasn't going to be divided over them and this approach treats the Bible as a whole box full of proof texts so you pick out text from the Bible to prove the logic of your theology now I want to say that God never intended his Bible to be cut up in chapters and verses that has done more damage to the Word of God than anything he gave us his word without numbers in them and the result of having chapter and verse numbers is we've become text people instead of context people and a text out of context becomes a pretext gosh I'm giving you the words now entire the Bible is not a book of systematic theology thank God it isn't it made you wouldn't it be wonderful if everything about God was in the first book in the Bible everything about Jesus was in the second book everything about the Holy Spirit in the third book everything about salvation in the fourth book everything about heaven in the fifth book wouldn't it have saved a lot of time and wouldn't it save you buying concordances even electronic concordances now why did not God give us a systematic book why'd you have to look up so many different places to find out what he says about marriage why didn't he give us in the proper order I'll tell you why because God was not wanting to communicate logic but life and if you quote a proof text out of life you invariably make it an academic thing whereas if you look back at the context God said that thing to particular people in a particular situation he wanted to communicate life to us not logic and you can have all your doctrine logically neatly labeled up here but if you're not enjoying it in life what's the point give you an example there's a wonderful verse I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me do you know that verse Philippians 4:13 see so we pick it out as a promise there it is chapter and verse we've got proof for it but what is it in context you know what it's about it's about money and it's about living on your income whether its large or small now that is a very relevant texture today Paul says I've been rich and I've been poor and I've been content both ways which do you think is harder content wealthy or content poor it's a question isn't it but he said I've learned to be content whether I'm rich or poor whether I've got a big salary or a little one I can manage on whatever money comes in because I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me and a recent congregation I spoke to two-thirds of the members were in debt and not able to manage on the money that was coming in and here's a verse I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me it's not a very spiritual verse it's a financial verse it is in the context of real life managing on your income that's real enough isn't it but we tend to make it a nice spiritual verse and apply it to anything but money you see what I mean God gave us his word in life situations that's why his teaching on any subject is scattered right through the Bible and if you just take a concordance and produce a sermon topic out of all those verses you leave life behind you make a good case for logic but you forget life and so it's very important to see the Bible as a book of life and not a book of theology logically you've got to abstract proof text out of it to make a say logical system but God wants you to live in it this has been an evangelical temptation see it says he is called Jesus because he will save his people from their sins and the philosopher Nietzsche behind Adolphe hitless and I would want to be saved if Christians looked more saved what a challenge said they talked about it but they don't live it and you can have all the doctrine especially in relation to the Holy Spirit you can have the doctrine right and yet never taste the dynamic the New Testament talks about tasting the powers of the age to come that's life it's not logic its life so in both the Hebrew and the Greek languages truth and reality are the same word so wherever you see the word true or truth in the Bible you can substitute real or reality and it always makes sense because truth is what really is it's not an academic thing it's what really is in life and life is not always logic but it's always true and so truth and reality jesus said I am the truth he's saying I'm for real I'm the only real person who ever existed I'm really human and it's the truth that sets you free it's being real that sets you free you see reality and truth same word in the old and the New Testament truth and reality and a man can hold the truth in his mind but if it isn't reality in his life what's the point so evangelicals tend to make too much of theology and charismatic sten to make too little of it how much we need each other to get together let's now look at the second subject for this talk our attitudes to scripture which are not unrelated to what I've already said the crucial question here is does God still speak today and I mean speak in words evangelicals would believe that he speaks today but through scripture or through circumstances or through conscience but not in words does God actually speak in words today we're dealing really with the subject of prophecy here has God stopped talking once the book of Revelation was written that's the real issue or is he talking today now this is where the evangelical feels most threatened because the evangelical believes that the Bible is God's last word his final word and any suggestion that someone gets up in church and says thus says the Lord means but you're saying the Bible isn't enough you're saying that God hasn't said all he needs to say in this book you're adding to the Bible who are you to add a page to the Bible so there's a tremendous area of controversy in here especially when people claim to speak from the Lord when they're not and sometimes the things that are claimed of the Lord speaking are really so trite that you wonder why the Lord bothered to say them but when you've had a real prophecy a genuine one you never forget it but are you adding to the Bible are you saying the Bible's not complete are you saying it's not enough that we need more words from God than we have already that's the area of tension and so over prophecy we need to say things again to both streams here's the read word for the charismatic and charismatic Sneed to be told loudly a prophecy is not scripture an unfortunate distinction has come in among charismatic spirt wean Rhema and log of said on if you've heard this the two greek words and it is implied that lagos is what god said yesterday and Rhema is what he's saying today I don't think the Bible upholds that distinction actually the two words are interchangeable almost at times in the Bible so that what God said yesterday can become what God says to you today the Ramar and the loggers are like two circles that overlap but from that when this distinction is drawn which are charismatic smore interested in what God said yesterday or what is saying today and I have to admit that I've been in some fellowships where somebody is read from the Bible and there's just a dead silence and then somebody gets a little picture of a jellyfish with a dagger through it and everybody gets excited have you come across that that you know oh we've heard that bit from the Bible many times but this this is new and this craze for novelty this craze for news well I suppose that's why the TV has so much news and while the newspapers make so much money because we like to hear the latest but if we're not careful prophecy becomes more exciting than scripture the now word the new word becomes more interesting than what God has said which of course is an abuse and when you get to that position then the fellowship stops systematic exposition of the Bible and replaces it with prophetic exhortation and intuition replaces instruction and visions replace verses you can see on fond of alliteration country but you see that is the danger among charismatic stew put too much emphasis on prophecy I remember going to one church which will be nameless and I preached for an hour preached my heart out though I went with a very bad throat infection and when I finally stopped preaching I lost my voice altogether but anyway I sat down and the dear vicar stood up and said does anybody have a word from the Lord well I remember smiling my wife and think I've been trying to give them one for the last hour and a dear brother came to the microphone and said I see a lot of bicycles without chains and there was a kind of ruin through the congregation but the man said but I don't have the interpretation to this vision so if anybody has it would you would give it well nobody had it we had five more such contributions and finally I went to the microphone and I could only whisper because I had no voice and I said God's sake go home and the place ended in silence they told me that a prayer meeting went on till 2:00 in the morning after that it they were so shocked but you see okay I'm caricaturing but they were more interested in a little picture of bicycles without chains than in an hour expounding God's Word it's a matter of balance prophecy is not Scripture and if ever it replaces Scripture in our interest or excitement or our attention something's got out of order they need each other what is the exact relation between prophecy and scripture well all scripture was originally prophecy that's how it came every bit of scripture that you have was originally God giving words to people and then it was written down so the whole Bible is in a sense a book a prophecy from beginning to end furthermore not all prophecies that were given in those days found their way into the Bible there are literally hundreds of prophets mentioned in the Bible of whom we haven't a single word recorded so that the Bible is a selection of prophecy you follow me it is all prophecy but it's only a selection and God has given this selection as a kind of guideline to test every other thing that claims to be prophecy here we have God's selection of all the things it's said to be a standard by which we can judge everything else that's what the word Canon means the Canon of Scripture it means the rule of scripture by which you judge or measure everything else but further more even after the scriptures were given God still prophesied and the people in the Bible days had God's Word from two directions from the past in written form and in the present in spoken form and these two forms of hearing from God continued right through the Bible they had his word from the past now written and his word in the present spoken by prophets that is the meaning of a verse in proverbs chapter 28 verse 16 there I am quoting numbers again but never mind that verse again is most misunderstood where there is no vision the people perish ever heard that quoted and quoted to support a new church building or a great new scheme of some kind of listen the word vision there is prophecy and it's saying where there is no immediate vision when the vision of the Lord becomes scarce the immediate revelation the people tend to throw off all restraint it says but blessed are those who keep the law in other words even when you're not hearing from God now people who live by what he said in the past will be blessed but actually the two are needed and when you get through to the New Testament you find the direct prophetic word is focused in Jesus the Prophet and you'd have thought when prophecy reached its peak in Jesus that it would finish wouldn't you as it did with Muhammad in Islam nobody prophesies after Muhammad he is the Prophet he finishes it but in fact what happens in the New Testament is that Jesus begins a people a church on whom the spirit of prophecy comes and they all prophesy sons and daughters men servants made sense so the prophetic ministry narrows down to Jesus and then broadens out wider than before so that all God's people become prophets that's the meaning of Pentecost the prophethood of all believers and we need still today to from God direct that doesn't add to the Bible let me tell you three things that prophecy should never be first it should never be in addition to the Bible don't collect prophecies of the back of your Bible don't get a loose-leaf Bible will you Bible is God's complete revelation worse than that prophecy with some becomes an addition to the Bible secondly it becomes an alternative to the Bible and they live by prophecies around scripture and thirdly even worse it becomes an advance on the Bible people say it's better to have a now word than the old word written here that's a terrible Distortion prophecy is a good supplement to scripture but it's a bad substitute I'll give you finally two differences between prophecy and scripture one scripture is for all Christians everywhere prophecy is only for those to whom it's given the Bible is a selection of prophecies that applies to every Christian in every age in every place but words of prophecy are only for the people to whom they're given they are local there are a lot of general application that's very important and secondly every claim to a prophetic word today must be rigidly tested weighed and judged by others not the person themselves whereas prophet scripture doesn't need to be tested we already know it's fully of God but prophecy today may not be it may be of the flesh it may even be of Satan to my mind it is often a mixture of flesh and spirit I wait for the pause sometimes you note I mean somebody begins to prophesy and they really say something from God and then there's a pause and you almost can see their mind ticking that's too short I must add to it and they go on sometimes you can ignore what comes after the pause but it's important that we test every prophecy and if someone comes up to me and says David the Lord has told me you ought to go to Timbuktu next Thursday and sir well thank you for telling me our wait until he confirms it out of the mouth of two or three witnesses because we really must be careful not to accept everything that is claimed to be of the Lord we need to test it and I find with those personal words of direction you test them by waiting for them to be confirmed independently through someone else but there's still only for me over this church or for that situation they're not an extra page to stick in here for everybody everywhere so you see those the two big differences prophecy is for a local situation or even a personal one but not for general use and scripture is for all Christians everywhere prophecy must be tested as to whether it's of God whether all of its of God but scripture you know it's all of God you only then have to interpret and apply it but prophecy must be tested before it's interpreted and applied to evangelicals I can say this briefly because I've already said it in an earlier talk they need to be told that apostolic is not abnormal that the New Testament is indeed the pattern for the church life today because we are in the same era we are in the last days and the two ways in which people have managed to neutralize the charismatic dimension of Scripture are first in the way I mentioned to you earlier to say that apostolic was special that while the New Testament was not written the Apostles needed miracles to confirm the truth of their testimony but once it was written down in a book we don't need the miracles of signs to confirm their authenticity I want to say why don't we if the spoken gospel needed the authentication of miracles why doesn't the written gospel need that I would have thought it's just as necessary today for people to see as well as hear the gospel I see no reason why God should stop doing wonderful things just because we've now got a new testament in the form of print I don't see in a relation furthermore there is not a hint in the New Testament that miracles were to cease when the Apostles furthermore the people who did signs and wonders were not just the apostles deacons did them in act 6 happy are you if you've got deacons who do miracles especially if it's the Treasury we need miracles and we need people who can think supernaturally and act supernaturally today the last days of the church in which we are are normal they began with Pentecost and the New Testament is living in the same church age as we live in from the first coming to the second coming of Christ we are in the age of the Spirit there's one other way that evangelicals have somehow managed to neutralize the dynamic dimension of the supernatural in the New Testament and that is to say that you can build theology on the epistles or the didactic or teaching parts of the New Testament but not on the narrative parts like Acts that's very commonly taught today some of you must have heard that teaching in other words acts being narrative doesn't give us the ology but Paul's letter to the Romans being epistle does well I want to say I think that's rubbish the book of acts and the epistles were written to the same people at the same time about the same churches there is narrative in the epistles and didactic portions or teaching portions in the book of Acts they are mutually illuminating there are things in the epistles you can't understand without the book of Acts and things in the book of Acts you can't understand without the epistles and above all the epistles were never meant to be systematic theology they are letters written to churches dealing with particular problems in those churches it's in these ways that somehow evangelicals managed to evade this supernatural dimension of the New Testament but I believe the book of Acts is wonderful as a guide to us as to the kind of church we should be and could be by the aid of the Holies it has its problems they had its that had its mistakes it wasn't perfect but it was a dynamic Church it had its doctrine right but it also had the dynamic of the Holy Spirit and it was the Holy Spirit who led them who took the major decisions and who enabled them to spread throughout the world and turn it upside down again we need each other in relation to Scripture charismatic Sneed Scripture and they need to know that prophecy is not Scripture they need to stay with the Bible but evangelicals need to be aware that God does speak today we are still in the prophetic age when all God's people can prophesy whether men servants maid servants old or young old men see visions and young men dream dreams or no it's the other way around young men see visions and old men dream dreams well I hope I'll be seeing visions for a long time yet it's closed there and we'll look at two more issues between these two streams next time

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Published: Wed Oct 30 2013