Dan Bilzerian-The Michael Sartain Podcast

everyone welcome back uh we have a great guest on today uh he is a philanthropist he is an entrepreneur he is a former member of the United States Navy and uh he is a professional poker player and he just wrote this incredible book it's called the setup uh Mr Dan Bilzerian how you doing today sir I'm good I'm going to referred to as a philanthropist ever so that would be a first no you you are philanthropist you do a lot of stuff undercover you talk about it a little bit in the book yeah pretty good pretty great stuff so you told me this book was honest and it is man this might be the most honest autobiography I've ever read some of the stories in here if they happen to me there's no way I could tell them yeah I mean I was kind of you know I fought a little bit with that I mean there was like stuff I said in there that I hadn't you know ever told anybody you know like getting caught jerking off and all that [ __ ] I was like pretty [ __ ] embarrassing but I just like I felt like if I didn't tell the whole story you know then the you know then the crazy stuff I felt like wouldn't be as believable and not only that but I just felt like too many people just give their highlight reels yeah too many people just talk about all the great [ __ ] about themselves and I just I don't know man I wanted to just tell the whole story and the only way to tell the whole story is just kind of you know [ __ ] bad [ __ ] too you know this is not a highlight reel man this is well I'll tell you what's great about it is that um there are so many stories about you that are lore but we didn't know the context to it like the kicking incident I thought that happened in San Diego I didn't know that happened in Miami the fact that you are the person who got Nick Ritchie off the dirty I had no idea and that that was like a huge story can you talk a little bit about that yeah I mean he was um he was basically talking [ __ ] and he had uh I remember I was on the set alone Survivor and the uh the producers were upset because there was like some bad articles you know he just kept putting out [ __ ] and I talked to a mutual friend and he basically said Nick will take you off the site you got to pay him five grand at the time it was like five grand was nothing but it was just the principle that I was being extorted to and I was also one of those guys that kind of like LED with my worst traits too so for me I was like you know what [ __ ] this [ __ ] like what's he gonna say like yeah like [ __ ] do it and so I think he like took that as a challenge because everybody else like really just paid him like all the clubs all the other people it was just not worth the hassle and so I you know but I didn't really mind as much when he was talking [ __ ] about me it was more like the girls that I was dating like the scroll Andrea and uh he would just constantly put her on there and she was like the sweetest girl I mean did you know Andrea uh maybe I don't know if I met her I think maybe once but like I had several female friends that had considered like they were incredibly sad possibly suicidal because of some of the stuff that he was writing about them yeah I mean that was another thing I was like he was just like I don't know man I consider just like off and I do in the [ __ ] desert I think I told you that before but I was like for fun for fun I just felt like he just did so much bad [ __ ] yeah that he was just like one of those people you could just like [ __ ] wipe off the earth a little bit about it you know yeah um but yeah I ended up just getting it done legally um he put a thing and he put a thing out basically saying that I had chlamydia yeah and I was just the wrong [ __ ] to do that too because I got STD tested every single [ __ ] month and so I had like five years of medical records and so and I also like I I knew the girl that he was talking about and like [ __ ] her with a condom like you know almost every other [ __ ] girl and we were cool she was like you know wanting to hang out and this and that I was like there's no way this girl's ever gonna [ __ ] like go in the dirty and say that of course like what's her upside and like if I actually did give her chlamydia why the [ __ ] would she be like trying to hang out me every week like is it just there's zero chance right and so I uh yes I just said [ __ ] it you know I'm just gonna see this dude and we're just gonna go to the mats and you know they try to settle all these different times um and I I told you this when we were on the phone I was like you know basically like at the settlement thing like you know his attorney's like what do you want I was like for us both to just like keep throwing money into a pile but I'm tired until one of those guys bro and then you know Nick's like what the [ __ ] am I supposed to do with this you know like how am I ever supposed to settle and I'm like you're not you're just we're just gonna keep going and going and going until you run out of money um and that's what happens so yeah I did not know it was you I I remember that that website was you know doing a lot of damage to a lot of people I'm gonna talk about the craziest story in the whole book what do you think it is by the way what would you say the craziest one is oh god um the craziest I you know it's just I guess it depends on how you like what seems crazy to you right because there's so many things in there to me that seem crazy I mean I I don't know I mean losing your virginity Mexican hooker at 13 is probably pretty crazy it's pretty crazy but I know that didn't seem that crazy but I know other people have done that I do not know other people personally that have muled steroids across the Mexican border oh training me auto-rated that as like one of the least credits you're kidding me man you put okay can you tell the story yeah I mean I was um I was paying a buddy to bring steroids across the border for me and I wanted to save like the 150 bucks um so we decided we'd all go down there and stick them up our ass and then walk across the or actually drive across the border we had been walking before but I figured driving would be better and um man that was unpleasant you said your buddy got out of the car and it was like projectile he he like yeah he just blasted a [ __ ] right in a Goodyear parking lot broad daylight just [ __ ] laid the snake and I was just like God damn and then he had to go through his [ __ ] and pick it up and then he's in the car I mean it was this I mean you read the [ __ ] thing yeah it was crazy but you did no I have a question for you how many got this was you had been rolled back first time in Seal training this is during Seal training um okay so no this was the second time I went I hadn't been rolled back yet so the first time I went through I went through El natural um I didn't really know that people were juicing and then when they kicked me out after hell week I was like well [ __ ] these [ __ ] you know um I just really didn't have a lot to lose yeah um because before there was always like the threat of getting kicked out of training and you went down to you know if you were just in Mexico like forget about steroids like you're just down there you were going to be kicked out of training so um the the first time it wasn't really a consideration and then like I said when I got uh rolled and then kicked out after hell week and my body was like so broken down I was like oh [ __ ] it you know what have I got to lose I'm gonna go do it and so um I did that and then as I was waiting to get processed out of the Navy I'd been uh juicing then too and like training and this and that so then the second time I went through um I was gung-ho on it yeah yeah would you say other guys were doing that oh absolutely a lot of other guys well I went down there with a bunch of other guys yeah okay so that went back so yeah so the idea that guys were taking droids are in steel training is not some that's something that was new to me I had no idea yeah I didn't either until you know I went in and but I think it's true of a lot of like Special Forces I mean it makes sense right I mean you're [ __ ] yeah you're training you're doing crazy [ __ ] um it's high adrenaline it's uh you know it's it's it's um you know risky profession so I mean people that are less risk averse and that are in those things are and and also like really care about Fitness and like be in a good shape and looking good and whatever like those are all naturally the people that are going to be prone to be juicing the most anyways and so if you got people that are willing to like go through SEAL training they're usually pretty ballsy dudes and it's kind of like the barrier to like trying something like that um just goes down with the more you know aggressive and um and crazier that the people aren't so in the book you actually uh show your the heaviest stack that you ever did what was your opinions about taking roids then and then how do you feel about them now well you know I said this in the book I think that kids absolutely should not do steroids until they're finished growing because it's just not worth it you're going to tease your epiphyseal plates and it's like you know okay so you put on five pounds if you lose a couple inches it's just not worth it you got your whole life to you know put on muscle but you only have a certain period to grow so um definitely not worth it until you're done growing but then after that you know it's just kind of a function of where you naturally like go get tested and then see where your Baseline is and then make an informed decision you know so what what happens if I go to a doctor and my test is at like 2000 is the doctor going to be like are you taking antibiotics like how does that work um well if you're at 2000 then you're probably taking antibiotics or you're like a freaking nature right right no but I'm saying is like obviously the doctor is now going to know is there a special relationship that you'd have with certain doctors no no what I'm saying is you go before you take this oh got it okay figure out like what your Baseline level is like okay so you're you're a guy that's naturally 600. so you've got a different decision than a guy that's naturally 1100 or a guy that's naturally 300 right so it's like if you're naturally at 300 you just get on and stay on forever and you just know that that's you know part of your deal right but if you're a guy that's 1100 it's like man like I'm not going to get that much higher on juice and I've got a naturally really good level so do I wanna you know possibly damage that and so that's just a different decision right so I think everybody before they do it should figure out where they're at right because it's just it's information you know you can do whatever the [ __ ] you want like if your levels are 2000 and you still want to do them and okay yeah I know what I meant is you take anabolic then you go to the doctor and they're like holy [ __ ] you're at like you know two thousand twenty five hundred I know I I get them prescribed from my doctor okay I didn't know that all right yeah so that's another thing yes I monitor my levels um and you want to do that because unless you get blood work you're really not going to know and you kind of like you can feel a little bit but you want to know where you're at like it's there's free tests there's serum tests there's a lot of things so you want to like educate yourself on that get your blood work done and then you're kind of like you know tweaking it's like a performance race car you know you're just like putting you know getting getting your levels perfect and everything and if you're [ __ ] Redline and you can have issues and if you're you know in the safe Zone then you'll probably perform well yeah so definitely definitely uh about your childhood that's another thing another big mystery again it's lore we don't know we know about your father Paul Bulgarian being in finance and the book opens up with him going to jail telling telling you he's going to jail yeah I you know I wanted to touch on the childhood and that was to me probably the most um traumatic and impactful thing I had happen you know early that was like one of my earliest memories and so you know I figured that was a good place to start um and yeah it was I think the reason that it was more traumatic was because he was convicted like a year or two prior to that and that was his course of appeal so he was appealing for like a year or two and during that course of appeal he's like you know in the newspaper you know okay you know Paul bozarian's going to jail he's convicted like all this [ __ ] and all the kids were teasing me and whatever your dad's going to jail my dad was telling me no I'm not going to jail so for me you know the hardest part was facing all the kids after for a year and a half I'd said no he's not going to jail and they're feeling like an idiot and then also you know there's a little bit of feeling of like betrayal from my dad because it's like oh he promised me he wasn't then he did you know so there was like there was all that like not seeing him too much for a year wasn't that big of a deal because I didn't really see him too much before that it was more like you know kids give me [ __ ] me feeling stupid and you know all that the honesty though that I thought you had as far as your motivation when you talked about your father not spending a lot of money and having a lot of money and then Ernie you had a buddy named Arnie a family friend named Ernie who did yeah I mean wasn't just my dad was my mom too and then my mom's father um my grandfather he had he had some money and he didn't really spend it you know I was like surrounded by people that had money but didn't spend it and then I had my next-door neighbor Ernie who I mean this guy had less money than anybody and he was [ __ ] like balling out and living and [ __ ] the hot chicks and doing the cool [ __ ] and it's funny because like looking back I wrote this book as like a diary right and so I look back and I I see the things that happen and it's like very clear why I took a lot of the choices that you know or paths that I did and I'm like okay this makes sense you know like and I start seeing it and it's like man like you realize how much of an effect your childhood has on your trajectory where you end up like what things are important to you and all this stuff and so that was one of the interesting things um about writing this book is realizing like you know certain motivations yeah you know and then the motivation so the book is called the setup because your life is there's a A system that you had developed and one of the things I thought was really interesting is that you were going from point A to point B when it came to money when it came to girls when it came to fame and you found the quickest way to get there one of the most um sung Soo Art of War things I thought you did in the whole book was that you perpetuated the idea that you were a trust fund kid so that you could get into bigger games and you wanted people to think that you were not that good at poker yeah I mean people most people look at poker like okay you know who's got the best strategy who's got the best implementation of that who like understands the game who makes the least mistakes and all this stuff and they look at it more in the sense of like the online program and the math and like how many mistakes you make and like you know how close you're playing to perfect and this and that and they so many people just Overlook the biggest piece of Poker and that is understanding who you're playing getting in with bad players game selection like really at the end of the day like playing with the worst players that have the most money I mean that's the [ __ ] key it's not yeah it's not like eeking out an edge against these pros and these [ __ ] retards online are like oh like I have a four percent Edge against this guy and this guy's like [ __ ] I had like a 70 Edge against this dude and this dude couldn't [ __ ] win for like millions of dollars I'm playing this guy who's [ __ ] high on cocaine not even looking at his cards and like shooting people's [ __ ] baby oil you know what I mean it's like and you [ __ ] idiots are online like trying to eke out a little [ __ ] Edge and it's like and they look at me like oh you know there's no way he could have made that much money in poker and it's actually kind of funny because last night um this is the first time I've said anything about this so the guy that I beat in the book Alec he watched the milk boys podcast and in the milk boys podcast I said that I beat him for like 40 or 50 million it was actually around like low 40s um and he's like you know he sent me this whole time text message um saying like oh you know I didn't lose that much and I like sent him the numbers like exactly what he lost I was like yes you did and then he like challenged me he's like okay well let's [ __ ] put our balls on the table I'll play you for 25 million a piece wired into the Aria we could play live in front of people and I like At first it's like oh like I don't know if I want to you know play for 25 million I was like you know what [ __ ] that [ __ ] [ __ ] it like I'll I'll [ __ ] play this guy and so I text him back I was like okay it'll take me about a week um or you know whatever week Max I'll get the money [ __ ] Senator all right let's battle and then he took a little bit and then he's like it's not worth my time unless it's 50 or 100 million I thought about it I was like okay [ __ ] fine 50 million wired in the Aria will play it take me you know Max 10 days to get the money we'll [ __ ] put it on TV if you want we can have it a [ __ ] televised event we'll play heads up for 100 million dollars so it's like and now I haven't really heard [ __ ] anything you kept bluffing you and you kept calling I don't know I mean he's challenged me to two matches except both of them so if you know if he doesn't want to [ __ ] play me then you know I mean I don't let people know like you know [ __ ] dude's got a [ __ ] [ __ ] and and I think for him it's an ego thing you know he's got tons of [ __ ] money and he's you know he's won a lot of money in poker and so I think like it's a bit of a [ __ ] ego issue and so whatever man we'll [ __ ] play on TV you know and I think that'll be good I think like you know anybody that like wondered if I was actually good at poker they get to see it and they get to see me beat the guy that I [ __ ] beat for the biggest amount of money this is AG that you refer to and he was a neighbor of yours when you're up on Blue Jay no he lived in uh Bel Air and I was uh and blue jay was in the Hollywood Hills okay his neighbors with uh Wahlberg okay got it and what Borg actually watched you guys play yeah he watched the game that's incredible not not a full game but he came in there I met him on the set alone Survivor and um we were talking and then um I don't know how his neighbor came up um but he's like oh yeah I'd love to watch you know you guys playing I'll say okay cool um and then yeah do you recognize that you're wired differently than other people because there's a there's a part in there where you talk about being sick uh you're playing for I believe eight million dollars is what you ended up winning you could you said to go to the bathroom you mentioned your hair was falling out you were vomiting you understand most people wouldn't even have gotten to that point Dad no most people because there's a poker Pro who's on in your book who says I've never played I'm a professional poker player and I've never played for this type of money do you understand that you're like you're amygdala functions different than other people yeah I have a um I think I have a larger um like quotient for like Risk you know I'm like willing to take more risk I think than other people um but I I wasn't vomiting but I you know my hair was falling out I mean it was like it was definitely very stressful yeah and uh yeah and when you have stress like that splicer cortisol levels it's hard to sleep I mean there's like a lot of issues that come with it and yeah I don't think most people could handle that and and also it wasn't just large amounts of money it's not really about the money it's about like the percentage of your net worth and yeah and how much that's going to affect you so I was you know there was numerous times in my poker career a lot actually where I was playing for like money that would absolutely and did positively and negatively affect my life and change my life you know and so and that was one of the biggest stresses of playing him is that like we were playing for such a [ __ ] large amount of money that there was you know no real ability to drop down Stakes after that yeah I mean I guess I could have but man that would have been [ __ ] soul crushing um and Mike talks about that in the book you know Madison he did he did a vignette and he talks about like the most difficult thing for him ever was dropping down on stakes and so by taking this at such a high level I mean dude we were playing ten thousand twenty five thousand blinds you know what I mean like so the opening rate is 100 Grand like I mean people don't real that's like before you [ __ ] see the Flop you know what I'm saying like people don't realize like how big that is and then the re-raisers were like 300 Grand you know so it's like you're seeing a [ __ ] you know a million dollar flop and it's like you know or after you make the bet it's like a million dollar pot you know it's just you know it's a lot of money but it's it's it's it's it's it's more than that man it's like that if I had you know like hundreds of millions of the time it wouldn't have been a big deal I mean whatever the [ __ ] ever but at the time like I was playing for large amounts of my net worth like a dude when I was sitting there with 18 million in front of me that was like a big chunk man yeah I would cross that on a hand that would have been [ __ ] crippling and so it was you know it was one of those things where um I had stress before like when I lost the 500 000 in the Bahamas that was dude that was at the time I think it was like 20 of my net worth so to like lose 20 of your net worth in one night at a poker table is [ __ ] brutal man but that wasn't as crushing because I wouldn't have gone from [ __ ] here like when I was playing AG I was worth [ __ ] like a lot of money yeah I mean like yeah you know so that would have been a [ __ ] dramatic change in lifestyle you know I had a house in um I was renting a house in on blue jay I had that crazy house in San Diego um I had um a badass apartment in Vegas I mean I was like living like I had you know hundreds and hundreds of millions but at the time it was probably like worth like I don't know 40 or 50 million you know so it's like it was one of those things where comparative to my net worth I was playing for [ __ ] huge money and it was money that would have been like very hard to [ __ ] make again whereas when I lost the 20 of my net worth when I lost a 500 Grand it's like okay like I wasn't that rich you know I had like 30 million bucks like okay like my life wouldn't have changed that much if I would have just gone flat ass broke and gone to the military again because that was kind of like my backup plan like I would just go back in the military and [ __ ] it whatever um and it would have been doable But like after you're worth 50 60 70 million [ __ ] dollars going back into the goddamn military is not really a [ __ ] no it's not like taking orders in some [ __ ] jackass it's just not gonna happen you know so like it was different you know and also my like level my Baseline was so [ __ ] high that yeah that I just would have been miserable and I was older like I just I don't know man there's there's an age I think there's an age where you can go into the military and then after like a certain period maybe like in your 30s like you just don't want to be taking [ __ ] away from people anymore you know you mentioned that you had lost all respect for money at one point well I don't know about all but it is really difficult to have normal respect for money when the blinds like I said are [ __ ] you know 25 000 and it's like you had distorted your your your feeling about money totally destroyed I mean it's you know I mean I was buying like 40 000 suits I mean it's just how do you take money seriously like you know when you're when I was tipping at the restaurants I mean I don't know I mean I still do this but like I would tip 100 like I'd you know give people 100 bills when I was parking like I was just [ __ ] I don't know man I was like Monopoly money like you know I'd pull into the valley I didn't even carry anything else less than 100 so everybody that got a tip is 100 bucks minimum like I just I mean dude it was like whatever I didn't think about it you mentioned you flipped a coin with a G for 3.3 million dollars well I say a coin that was initially what we're gonna do but we actually ran a handout so we just did a blind hand so let me same exact thing yeah 50 50. um yeah that was uh that was that was probably the biggest just like pure [ __ ] at Campbell that I ever took yeah and you tipped uh when you won eight million you tipped the uh dealer 300 000. I have a lot of friends that are poker dealers and I and I showed them I took a picture of that I was like he tipped 300 Grand uh for one game I should have had that girl do a vignette for the book yeah I thought about that afterwards yeah that's pretty cool yeah I know I tipped them a lot that was just one game you know but he was tripping a lot of money and I just didn't want any incentive to [ __ ] cheat me man it's like pretty easy to you know [ __ ] throw a [ __ ] card in there or deal off the bottom or whatever and you know it you know this would have had nothing to do with ag but you know these are [ __ ] dealers is what they do they sling cards for a [ __ ] living every single day so I mean like for out of the 12 14 hour session for them to [ __ ] do one thing I mean or put in a cold back on didn't want it to happen yeah you didn't want a g the guy the possibility of this this dealer cheating you um samajeed is kind of a main character from the middle third of the book can you talk a little bit about him yeah yeah no I mean I talked a lot about him uh what do you want to know well so so you mentioned before um some of the crazy stuff that you had done with Sam like you were driving to um you want to do a heads up game with Sam because it was sometimes he was a little bit late paying until you were gonna go to a private jet where Paris Hilton and her family were waiting there and he you guys go to a gas station and he rips off the back half of the car Yeah so basically yeah he was pretty shitty about paying and you can't blame the guy I mean all he did was [ __ ] lose but how much did you win off of Sam total because you mentioned he'd lost 80 million dollars at some at one point right in the in the book yeah I think I beat it for over 10. um yeah you know probably over 10. um but yeah that trip it was uh I just figured like if we went to the casino um then I knew I'd get paid right faster wire [ __ ] money and says like wire in a million bucks I'll bring a million bucks in cash he always liked cash so yeah I threw a million bucks in a backpack and [ __ ] he had chartered a plane and yeah Paris is on there with her family and they're waiting for like two three [ __ ] hours is he dating Paris I guess the context for why Paris Hilton is there is kind of like not there I didn't understand um I mean we were both friends with her uh I think he liked to hang out with celebrities and stuff like that he was [ __ ] Lindsay Lohan and some he wasn't hooking up Paris that I know of um but yeah Sam actually got a lot of [ __ ] yeah and so he had he told her that she could uh she'd get a ride I guess and um I showed up at his house he's [ __ ] late always [ __ ] late just like jamming everything in a [ __ ] bag doing rails in between and you know gets in his [ __ ] car the goddamn gas lights on he's [ __ ] doing 70 miles an hour down Doheny [ __ ] hits a goddamn car I mean it was just like you just you're just [ __ ] scared for your life man and I'm like thinking to myself I'm like [ __ ] man the money is just not worth it like I'm gonna die with this [ __ ] guy and I like looked over and we're in traffic and I'm like dude your [ __ ] gas lights on he's like oh good point I'm like yeah good [ __ ] point what are we gonna do you know like and so like I'm like we might be [ __ ] walking and so we we managed to get to a gas station without running a gas he [ __ ] throws in like 20 bucks and like try and he I think he like backed into it I don't know I tell the story better in the book because I like went through a text he like backs into the thing like rips the whole [ __ ] bumper off like scratches the side of his car then jams it and drive and then takes off and like the whole back of his bumper just is like left the gas station and you were on the way to a private jet where Paris Hilton and her family have been waiting for hours yeah yeah he chartered a plane or maybe the casino gave it to him when he wired the money in and um and yeah I just you know we were after like 10 minutes of driving I'm like you realize that you'd [ __ ] left your whole goddamn bumper on the [ __ ] gas station he's like no I didn't it's like okay and you know it was just it was like that with him like he was just so [ __ ] crazy um and he's like doing coke while he's driving he's like driving with his knees like No Hands on the Wheel like just a [ __ ] total [ __ ] Basket Case get on the plane and I'm just like so curious as to like how he's gonna function with normal people yeah you know her family doesn't need anything from [ __ ] Sam the rich people like she doesn't need anything from him the family you know it's like it's different when people need something from Sam yeah you know and so and they would behave differently but I was just like Curious like okay these are people that are like richer than him like how are they gonna deal with this [ __ ] maniac and they were just so [ __ ] like cool about it and I was like [ __ ] like if I was as rich as them and I'm like sitting on a [ __ ] plane for three goddamn hours in the tarmac I'd be pissed you know and they were cool about it and it was funny man we were like in the back of the plane I could just see him he was like such a [ __ ] hand grenade he's like you know getting more and more anxiety by the minute I could just tell like all he wants to do is [ __ ] cocaine but like he doesn't really want to do it in front of the family so he's just like what am I gonna do so finally like after he just like can't handle it anymore he goes in the [ __ ] bathroom and comes out like a [ __ ] like kid him and eating powdered Donuts like [ __ ] all over his face like he was the messiest Coke user I've ever seen in my life okay to illustrate that point you are now in the win you're parting after you had a you had a uh you played with him yeah for a while you lost some money you go to the win you have a 45 caliber pistol on you right he pulls it out of your waistband okay so hold on you're you're in you tell the story okay so we had been playing at the win like we showed up there and like everybody's like taking pictures of Paris and it was like kind of like one of the first times of like seeing it you know like right up close and personal and um and they'd sectioned off us like a whole area to play in the poker room and so we went over there and they had like bottles of champagne and [ __ ] fog raw and all this [ __ ] and we're battling he beats me and there's like people [ __ ] like watching they had this whole thing and after he beats me a couple times you know then he decides he wants to take a break if he's [ __ ] losing we're sitting there till [ __ ] the sun comes up there's no leave and goddamn doors are [ __ ] sealed but if he starts winning then all of a sudden now he wants to take breaks he wants to go party this and that I'm like God damn it fine whatever so we go to we go to excess and um first thing we did was drop off like the 300 Grand that I [ __ ] lost to and we locked the money and is safe and I was just like so [ __ ] bummed out about it and uh I was like fine give me the [ __ ] Coke I was so irritated I was just like I needed to get [ __ ] up and so we go to the club and uh and and the first thing he does he wants to go into like a private room so he can do more [ __ ] blow so we go into their like the office or whatever and I had the I had the gun in my back and it was um like hit in the back of the seat so I took it out and like put it on the table and it was like this badass like engraved like [ __ ] Ivory handle like sick ass 45 so I was like you know always kind of like looking for a reason to show the thing off not to mention I was irritating my back so I just put on the table and he's sitting there with this [ __ ] tin can of Coke and he's like trying to get the goddamn thing open like it's a [ __ ] Rubik's Cube and you know he just like can't figure this thing out you can just see him like getting more and more irritated as as the time goes on and finally he just like it's like he's gonna [ __ ] bust a gasket he just throws the [ __ ] thing as hard as he can on the ground it like hits the ground bounces off the table comes back like Paris [ __ ] Dodges a thing and like hits the [ __ ] wall and he just grabs the gun like he's gonna shoot the [ __ ] thing okay so just let's reset for anybody who's not listening here he you're in the wind you're in a special office access you're at access you're it and while you're there he pulled out your 45 caliber pistol in one of the rooms and he's willing to shoot a tin can full of cocaine in in uh in this office can you imagine how that would have turned out yeah well he didn't pull it was on the table so he grabbed it and thank God the safety was on um because I think he would just would have shot the [ __ ] thing he's got frustrated and he wasn't thinking he's like not one of those like you know when you're [ __ ] up you're not like a really forward-thinking like responsible guy and he was always just like I mean he was going to die right so he had a death sentence this guy already didn't give a [ __ ] he had a terminal illness yeah and you did you didn't know at this time I didn't know and like and also he's like you know super rich he like he's got a death sentence he's [ __ ] up on coke like this is just a recipe for [ __ ] bad things happening which is what always happened with this guy right and so yeah I I managed to get the gun away from him and I was like man that was like one of the moments where kind of like my life flashed in front of my eyes like what a [ __ ] disaster that would have been because it was my [ __ ] gun like it was just oh my God you can only imagine what would happen if he would have [ __ ] got a round off you know in a casino I mean I can't even gunshot goes off like there's Coke all like what what do you do with and I have a backpack with like 700 000 in cash what happens at that point right like if you're in law enforcement please comment uh below and let us know what would have happened oh yeah yeah please that's that's crazy man um the other thing so the first time you and I met was in 2014 Justin rossly brought me over to your house we had dinner and you told me the tiger shark story which eventually you put in uh in the book Sam had bought you matching tiger sharks yeah yeah that was unexpected um yeah and he put him in his [ __ ] pool yeah he was a nut man he was a [ __ ] absolute animal a musician never knew what was going to happen with the guy you know and it was just always it was just always like such an adventure like every time he went over to his house you're going to be doing High say scammers I mean naked girls just gonna be [ __ ] illegal activities like you know he's gonna be [ __ ] whacking golf balls into his [ __ ] neighbors houses like I mean he's just a [ __ ] Maniac so yeah it was it was never boring man absolutely never boring and then you'd always win money it was yeah you'd all you so you playing him would always win money so no matter how crazy it was you mentioned before in the book you always ended up going back in fact you said you stopped playing him for a while and then you heard he was losing all this money and then you went back to playing with him yeah I quit him because like you know he was playing so bad and also he like really didn't want to pay and there was like all this [ __ ] so I just kind of like look like I don't want to [ __ ] play anymore and then he hauls off and loses like [ __ ] 50 or 80 million dollars and like pays it and I'm just like [ __ ] like if he's gonna be losing this money like at least [ __ ] losing me um and so yeah then we started playing again but it was it was just a it was just a crazy time man he had he bought like every Dior shoe from rodeo and had that like delivered to his house so like anytime girls would go over there he had like all the brand new shoes all these [ __ ] purses so like he said he didn't want to [ __ ] hookers but like he would give every girl that came over there all this goddamn money right so it was like and he would definitely get a lot of [ __ ] but like he wasn't technically giving them money for it so like in his mind it was okay yeah he had like this very strict moral code that was another thing about him is like he was a pretty good dude like he would you know aside from like paying his debts like he was like you know if he said he was going to do something he did it like he had rules like he couldn't talk [ __ ] about other people in the house like he's like I don't know you just had these like very strict rules one you know one was that he didn't you know pay girls to have sex with them this and that and uh yeah like I said but then he also had like the whole [ __ ] Hermes and Chanel shoe collection just like brought into his closet and so girls would like literally come over there and it was like they're going shopping at Rodeo but they were at Sam's house that's crazy man that's absolutely crazy so um one of the great things about this book is that you talked about how people would have a narrative about you the first big one uh we already talked about the thing with uh with Nick Ritchie the other one was the big one uh which was the kicking incident and you set that straight and it sounds I mean I didn't knew nothing about it can you can you talk about exactly what happened there where you're at that Miami nightclub yeah so I was there and um it was I had one girl that I was dating to my left and the girl that I was kind of like fake dating to my right um and the girl the girl on my left was a girl that like was living with her boyfriend or something so she couldn't really be seen with me and the girl on the right was a girl that like we'd hooked up but uh she wanted to monogamy and I and I didn't so we just decided to be friends so I would take her to like all the events and anyways um there was some girl at the table that just like really wanted to stand next to me so she said to the girl to my right Christine she said you know like you can't stand next to him all night she's like yeah like I can I came here with him like whatever and I don't know how that escalated into the girl like punching her in the face and like knocking the other girl off the table and then she like jumped and tackled her and she was like hitting her on the ground and at the time like it was like too low to [ __ ] like grab them so I like tried to like kick the girl off or but I didn't I didn't connect yeah right and so you see like me kick but I don't hit anything and then I grab my girl and pull her up on the stage and uh my girl had like a [ __ ] black guy she's all [ __ ] up the other girl that I was dating was like on the ground and picked her up called security they called the police and you know my girl's like I want to press charges Okay cool so we go in the back talk to the cops and the cops are like ready to cart the two girls off to jail and they basically said to my girl they're like hey you know we'll take this girl to jail and you can press charges but you know like Miami County law states whatever that if two people get into a fight yeah my girl's like [ __ ] that I want to spend the night in jail like you know [ __ ] this [ __ ] but I'm not like trying to you know go to jail for her you know so she said no I'm not gonna press charges there was no mention ever of like me touching the other girl the girl obviously if she would have said that I kicked her in the [ __ ] face that would have been it would have been all over you know like cops would have followed reported on the whole thing there was no mention made of that whatsoever it was like this was a discussion of these two girls fighting the other girl then you know the girl that started the fight didn't have a scratch on her um and then Nick Ritchie posted a video of you know me kicking and said oh Dan kicked this girl in the face he contacted the girl he got her a lawyer he said oh you know you gotta [ __ ] you know go after this guy he's got a lot of money blah blah blah Nick contacted the girl who you did not connect with but there was a video of you swiping yeah I would have happily kicked her in the face I mean she [ __ ] attacked my girl [ __ ] knocked the other girl off the [ __ ] this is what I mean by the honesty in your book Dan like you you in several instances like this you would say I would have kicked this girl in the face I just didn't absolutely and I would have put I would have let Nick Richie out in the desert and buried him but I didn't I mean yeah so like I mean dude if I'm with a girl and she just gets [ __ ] attacked like you know of course I'm gonna [ __ ] kick the other girl off or I mean it's like it's one thing if it's a mutual fight like okay then you know you can break it up let him bang it out whatever but like if a girl's just like [ __ ] attacking a girl unprovoked who's not hitting her back you know that's [ __ ] up you know and like it's something that you should [ __ ] stop right like and so it was one of those things where yeah like and I would have gladly like taken the [ __ ] rap for it if I did it but like to get a bunch of [ __ ] for something that I didn't do is like pretty [ __ ] irritating right and so anyways um that really didn't go anywhere because she had you know no injuries I didn't kick her there was a bunch of people there you know there was like yeah you know everybody saw what happened the narrative yeah so yeah then he puts it out there that I'm just like [ __ ] beating up girls like and and I think he like put down there that she was like trying to get up onto my table and I like kicked her like it was just such that's exactly what I read yes I remember that like some girls trying to get on my tables I kick to the face like come on it was just so [ __ ] ridiculous but you know it goes out there my attorney's like no you know don't make a comment you know it's like one more situation where what he wanted was for me to bring attention to his shitty sight you know and it's what a lot of these media Outlets do is they'll post something like hoping to get a response and so one of the problems with having a really big platform is that if you do give them a response and you do set the record straight you drive them a shitload of traffic yeah and you really do them a big favor because that's how they make their money so you know I just chose to take it on the chin rather than help them out and um you know and so then yeah a bunch of people thought that I was just like randomly kicking [ __ ] girls in the face there was another story that was really interesting to me so I flew in the Air Force for seven years and before we take off we'd always have the crew chief come up and do this right here which meant chalks out you were actually part of a high speed of board I don't know many people part of one you were part of two high-speed aborts in the same night because there's a pin for people don't know in the nose gear for most private jets there's a pin that actually keeps the that it locks the brakes and the brakes won't move it won't disengage the brakes unless you pull the spin out and it literally says remove before flight if you don't remove that before flight you will take off the nose gear is going to stay the same and the tires are going to catch on fire what exactly happened in your situation see this is why I decided to give this [ __ ] interview because you've actually read the book and you've got some real world experience and I knew that we're going to have interest in conversation so I'm happy that it did this now um yeah so it's I think it's similar to that but not the same so I think this pin was basically in the flap so it wouldn't allow the plane to take off oh okay so yeah so there's removed before flight fins that go near the pitot tubes or near the uh the ailerons in this case we're talking about the flaps yeah if the flaps don't oh wow okay now I understand now we're high speed yes and and the reason the brakes got hot is because we had to stop the 75 000 pound [ __ ] plane right so like I think they would have figured it out if it was the brakes but this was like we got to speed we're ready to take off at 15 40 whatever we're doing and the flaps don't go up and this is a short Runway this is the this is rifle I think an aspen or whatever where it's like 7 000 feet which is pretty close to like the minimum right and so yeah we did a high speed of board the first time and these [ __ ] idiots didn't figure it out and then we did the second time and I think like the brakes finally actually caught on fire and [ __ ] you know it was a whole thing yeah so the what the flaps do is they allow you to take off and land at lower speeds so you could get more lift but you don't move as fast and so if you're in a place where there's a lot of obstacles you could end up crashing into those so now I totally understand I didn't know know that part but that's crazy yeah yeah you definitely need those to come up before you're able to move so yeah two high-speed aborts and then Lindsey Payless she mentions in the book uh that uh you came out eating chips you didn't even it didn't even bug you that much well no it definitely bugged me um but yeah she put in there like I was you know so fearless and this and that and I don't know I don't think it was really that I think it was more ego I was just like so embarrassed and irritated by the whole [ __ ] situation then I was just like I'm not getting off the [ __ ] plane um and yeah I just I don't know I was just angry I'd be angry too man this is [ __ ] pissed yeah and I was like ready to get the [ __ ] out of there too and so I I think like yeah I think we ended up having to like [ __ ] stay there and then Charter goddamn plane it was this whole [ __ ] debacle um but yeah I know Lindsay was real cool she was uh she never complained she was uh she's always honest and she was actually one of the few girls that I made famous that was appreciative you know yeah she is she talks about you on her podcast yeah Lindsay also mentions that she thanks you for having her one and only threesome which I thought that was very honest of her to put that in there God I don't know I don't know if I remember having a threesome with her maybe she's talking about the time when that girl was like hiding while I was [ __ ] her um and that she didn't really know but it was like kind of funny because this girl um this girl that I was dating she was like I want to watch you [ __ ] another girl and I was like well you just watched me [ __ ] all your friends this last weekend like again and she's like yeah but I wasn't like really like there there I was like okay and she's like I want to like actually like watch and I was like okay cool she said but I want the other girl to know that I'm there I was like all right well I have a desk like you could hide under the desk and someone like made this fort well actually let me reverse so she said that and I had already texted Lindsay to like come over and hook up and I was actually trying to figure out like how to tell this girl like hey I'm gonna [ __ ] Lindsay um and she said that and I was like okay this is perfect like I had you know she in her one stipulation was that the girl had to be hot with big tits it's like okay great I was like yeah I'll get a girl over here so Lindsay Payless does qualify for those of you who don't know look her up yeah and I was like okay cool so um I built this like Fort so I had this desk I think I put a picture of the in the book but I don't remember but anyways there's like this desk and I put a I put a sheet over the top of it or like some kind of comforter or something and she was like hiding in there and I was banging Lindsay and when I finished I was like in the back of my mind I was like oh how's this girl gonna [ __ ] Escape because it was like right in so um this was my bed and then the desk was like right here okay and the door was here so there's you know no way for her to escape unless I went around to the shower but for those of you on the podcast the desk is on the opposite side of the room of the door yeah yeah so I you know I so I had to like try and figure out a way to get Lindsay out of bed in order to let this girl escape and finally she ends up doing that and uh and and then the girl I don't even know what she was thinking but she like comes back in like butt naked with two glasses of champagne I was like you guys want some champagne this is like no I'm cool and I was smoking weeds I was like it was every ounce of my being like trying not to [ __ ] bust out laughing at how ridiculous this was and also at just like how cool Lindsay played the whole thing off like here's a [ __ ] girl butt ass naked just randomly in my house with two glasses of champagne and like three or four in the morning you know who like was unannounced before you know because like Lindsay came in and the house like somewhat dark I mean there was like nobody hanging out so just like some girl randomly appears butt naked like after we've been [ __ ] it was just like such a crazy thing and Lindsay brushed it off like it was a [ __ ] maid at noon coming in to like offer a pillow you know and I thought that was kind of funny he didn't she didn't react at all man Stone Cold dude just didn't like just oh no I'm cool you know thank you like didn't even ask you about it afterwards like the girl leaves it she's like I'm not even like why is it why is this naked girl coming in here that's like offering champagne at four in the morning so I finally saw your public service announcement that you made uh after the Tannerite uh yeah Court mandated it was hilarious man I don't know like because you're so deadpanned and at the very last line and it is yeah jail let's not do that again it was for for those of you please check out the PSA that you did so now the situation is you take a you're out shooting in the desert you have an un an unusually high amount of tannerite which is an explosive that you can fire into yeah so um I had done this earlier so I had done um I'd blown up a had blown up an RV with a bunch of propane tanks and um then we started doing Tannerite and I blew up some cars and whatever but any anyways I was like okay let's like really do it this time I want to do like a hundred [ __ ] pounds and I'd seen people do like 50. I'd seen 25 but I had never seen anybody do 100 pounds and I think FPS Russia did like 50 pounds on a truck and like the door came off and literally almost cut them in half I mean it was the craziest thing and like I seen 25 pounds like level of [ __ ] Barn like a big ass Barn so it's like I didn't know what a what 100 pounds to do and I was initially going to try and do an RV again I couldn't find one on Craigslist so I saw a semi truck and I was like okay cool like I'm gonna buy this semi truck and I'll blow this [ __ ] up so yeah buy the semi truck put the tan right underneath it and you know we had some failed attempts to some bigger caliber rifles long story short um my buddy ended up going down there with a 556 and and shot it but he had to get a little closer because yeah the bullet has to be going I think it's like I think it's in excess of two thousand feet per second so something like that it's like pretty goddamn fast right and at a certain distance with five five six rounds the muzzle velocity is two thousand feet more than that but it's going to slow down over time yeah so we're at 400 meters and it just wasn't doing it and so he had to go down a little closer and when he [ __ ] detonated this [ __ ] I mean I'm telling you it looks that was the actual photo in the book yeah it looks like a nuclear explosion uh in the 1950s in Nevada yeah I felt like it looked like a challenger missile taking off because you can see the engine block like [ __ ] going straight up right and so anyways when we finally ended up I ended up going and like seeing the court documents or whatever the [ __ ] it was the the attorneys Prosecuting thing whatever whatever the witness statement there was a cop that was seven miles away in the police station they said he felt it in his chest evidence that was turned it as evidence well hold on but you get arrested on the tarmac at LAX so this is like a month and a half I think later and this is right after the Nick Ritchie or the Miami um yeah kicking thing or whatever and so I had gone to the Bahamas after that whole thing like poured out in the media and I was like spent a few days in the Bahamas chill the [ __ ] out and I then I flew back straight from the Bahamas direct to LAX and um I'd I'd you know that blue jay house at the time and I was living in Vegas and so I was spending a little bit more time in LA and I you know I flew in there and honestly like I didn't think there was going to be any issue but when there was I thought for sure it was related to the Miami thing yeah and so when the ATF came and like there was like all these people there and it was you know and the guy like puts me in cuss like you know what this is about I'm like no I really don't like why would the ATF like it just I didn't I was like what the [ __ ] like in a month you're like no month and a half like a while you know it's just like you don't even think like in like in your mind like why the [ __ ] would you be arrested at LAX by the ATF you know what I'm saying like when you're coming from Miami it was just a weird very weird thing so um yeah I just uh I had no [ __ ] idea until they they checked me in and they told me you know whatever I was being arrested on federal bomb making charges and you're at LAX so that then creates a narrative that you're making that's a bomb at up for an airplane that's the headline so they're like painting me as a [ __ ] terrorist I'm like I want my plane dude like I'm not trying to blow up your [ __ ] I was like leave me the [ __ ] alone I got no explosives on me like they just made it seem like I'm at the airport with bombs that's literally like what every head I mean but that's just so typical of the media you know they just want whatever's gonna get the clicks and so you know and you ended up settling with the government and made the PSA and uh again it was funny man like a YouTube PSA was part of my settlement settlement like how [ __ ] crazy it is fantastic dude you are deadpan looking in there you look annoyed but at the end like that little joke at the end just made the whole thing work it was well they wrote it wrong so I was like supposed to read this and they didn't like they [ __ ] had like a spelling it or they had words mixed up and it like didn't make sense it's like what the [ __ ] like this is come for the government they can't even get the goddamn sentences right you go he goes to jail let's not do that again that dude I was pissed myself that was really funny um I want to talk about um so the you know obviously another part of the lore when it comes to Dan Bilzerian is the women right and I know I obviously you and I have several friends in common and I've I've brought 90 girls to your last party and a lot of them know you personally I know to my knowledge you don't pay a lot of them or or any of them that I know of but there's all these women and you mentioned several times in the book zero effort you say the word zero effort and then these girls ends up end up sleeping with you my first question is between the fame the money and the other women you talk about pre-selection in the book which is the idea of women being around a man making that man more attractive which of those three do you think is the most important I would say Fame is probably the number one Sledgehammer um and then also jealousy jealousy okay you know jealousy was a big piece like jealousy which is all kind of like a function of competition ratio like all these things and you know but if you were disappoint at like one thing like Fame absolutely will get you a lot of [ __ ] because it's just it pre-qualifies you yes like and when these girls see guys wanting pictures with you when girls see people and it's not just girls it's guys too like when you see somebody that is you know admired or like people are paying attention to or they they feel like is important it just like triggers things like you know Clarence talked about in the book you know you should call it Fame brain it's like one of those things were like whether you choose to acknowledge it or not like it's going to be subconsciously in your mind that somebody that's famous that has people coming up to them is going to be like a person of higher value and so you know women's attraction mechanisms are a little different than men like man it's kind of like okay you know tits ass Waze face like you know these are the things right like whatever it is that you care about like it's purely physical correct like a girl can go down in points to me if she's a [ __ ] idiot or she's obnoxious or whatever she sucks in bed there's like all these things that she can go down but if a girl's really funny or witty it's not gonna make me want to [ __ ] her anymore if she makes more money it doesn't make any difference yeah like maybe dating but like as far as like actually having sex it is purely physical like whether or not I find them attractive or not is not going to be swayed by how funny she is that's going to make me want to hang out with her more or date her or whatever but as far as sticking my dick in her that is purely a function of her attractiveness right evolutionary psychology yes but with women there's a lot more factors at play there's like can this guy provide for me is it safe like there's you know many things that through Evolution have become attraction mechanisms for them and so you know Fame basically just kind of like checks a lot of those boxes um and so it's you know it's like pop you know it's like oh you know the guy's popular it's like he's you know a man of importance there's just like all these things right and so that one was more powerful than I expected it to be I mean I knew it was going to be powerful I just didn't know it was going to be that powerful and then the other two things the money in the pre-selection money is important if you know how to use it I know a lot of Rich guys that can't get [ __ ] to save their [ __ ] lives right you know a lot of people like oh if I had money I'd be getting all this [ __ ] and it's like yeah it probably wouldn't be dude but um you know it's cool you think that like I know tons of Rich guys that can't get laid like and obviously like you know most of your like Club business is based on this [ __ ] right like they go out there they spend all this [ __ ] money and they never get laid and I was just like I saw this [ __ ] from a mile away I'm like why do these guys keep [ __ ] doing it but you know they go out and they start drinking and then you know like they want to impress the girls and the only thing they know how to do is like lead with that money and so it's like they get in this habit of leading with money and the clubs you know encourage it obviously and so it's like you know and then you got their waitresses [ __ ] chucking their [ __ ] drinks and you know they just start spending more and more and the waitress comes up I'm like oh you know do you want this bottle or do you want to spend this you know she's like you know and then the guy never wants to look like a cheap ass in front of the waitress and he's drunk and it's like oh I'll take the [ __ ] I'll take two of those bottles you know whatever and then he knows if he buys three the goddamn sparklers comes out so well we don't want to miss the sparklers you know these [ __ ] idiots that I'm spending all this crazy bread right and and it was just you know so so that is a perfect example of how to spend money and not get [ __ ] but like you can spend money and throw parties you know you could you know and you know [ __ ] some of these rich guys they buy a modeling company that's a great idea you know just like if you're surrounded by hot girls you're gonna have a better chance of hooking up with hot girls and you're also gonna like create competition whether or not you're even hooking up with them if you're just around a bunch of hot girls I mean you know that you're on hot girls all the [ __ ] time right if you went to the bar with your dick in your hand it's going to be a lot harder for you to get laid than if you walk in there with three dimes it's incredible like the the they'll just come up and talk to you like you said before um women like there's so many stories in there where women basically telling your friends I just need to have sex with Dan I'm here just to have sex with dad well there's one story that that did happen it didn't happen a crazy amount but yeah no I remember one distinct time when yeah the girl literally those words like I need to have sex with them the guy was like bartender but they're also the thing with Clarence where the girl was like uh do you remember what I'm talking about when you're up at the cabin the cabin um it's uh we'll we'll talk about later but yeah which which one there was a situation where you told this a girl that she had to go down on Clarence and maybe it wasn't clear oh yeah no that was numerous times there was many times so you literally told to just were clear you told these girls they had to go down on your friends before they got to have sex with you or falcon or this or that like I I would because Clarence had a horrible game so like one of the things that I would do like a lot of times would be like oh yeah you know I'll [ __ ] you if you [ __ ] or maybe I'll [ __ ] you but you gotta [ __ ] Clarence first or whatever if he says you know it's it's good or whatever then maybe I'll hook up with you it was I a lot of times I wouldn't even promise it was just like you know you gotta [ __ ] him first or something like that and yeah girls are going there and like you know wake them up like hitting them in the face of their tits or like going to his bed naked and it's just like it was funny because you know he'd like wake up and like kind of like begrudgingly be like oh this again you know but like I knew that that [ __ ] still wanted you know he wanted a banger but he would like kind of like pretend like he wasn't stoked about it um but yeah it was it was one of those things where I think also when you do that the girls are like what [ __ ] you know they're like I gotta bang this guy to maybe be able to hook up you know it's like I don't know but it but it would be like in times of like I literally couldn't hook up with him like I I like had sex like four times or five times already and I was like just couldn't or didn't want to or like I had another girl or whatever and it was like you know so I'd throw him a bone and um and get them late and I did that with a lot of my friends my cousin I got him late a lot and um yeah a lot of my friends I would you know so it seems like you pushed so I a lot of people so pre-selection is like an actual term in Psychology you push the limits to that and there was no end to it it felt like the more hot girls you were around the more hot girls came and you mentioned the book it just get like more and more and more until you get to the point where you're on a 300 million dollar yacht with 27 women and there's a girl who texts you about having a foursome and you go to bed by yourself because you're miserable well there's a little more to that story but uh yeah um it was uh it was one of those things where it wasn't really about pre-selection at that point it was just about like an overwhelming amount and so the mistake that I made on that trip is that I took too many girls that I had been dating right like the key is to have like three maybe five Max girls that you're [ __ ] and you're gonna be obligated to [ __ ] on a trip and then have a bunch of other girls right you want new ones and what I did on that trip because I didn't want to be stuck with girls that sucked I didn't want to have a bunch of like um wild cards yeah so I took girls that I knew were cool that were hot and that because they're going to be out there with you for a while yeah right so I like prioritize like them being cool and them being like known quantities over having a bunch of like new hot [ __ ] and that was a big mistake um and so I ended up just being like pulled in so many different directions and I actually like you know pissed off more girls um and I didn't really have much sex I actually had the least amount of sex I'd ever had um because I I'd like I don't know when it's like obligated or when you feel like you know you have to you kind of don't want to and it's like I don't know man it's like human psychology like people want what they can't have and it's like when things are being forced on you if you feel like you have to do something you kind of like subconsciously don't want to do it and I'm like way more like that than anybody else I know I've always wanted to do and I'm not supposed to do and I never want to do what the [ __ ] I'm told so I don't know I just I had a shitty time on that trip um because I [ __ ] up um like the ratio of girls that I had been dating versus new one that was a big mistake and also I'd like just taken it to just an unnecessary level you know like yeah like I always thought more was better and it was like up until a certain point but I actually like reached the point of of like not only diminishing returns but negative returns you know or like it started going in the other direction too many girls all this kind of stuff I can definitely see that yeah like like what's too many like you know to me I'm like okay I'm on a trip with two chicks and like now I bring three chicks and it's a much better ratio because when I'm [ __ ] one the other two can hang out whereas when I only have two girls and I'm [ __ ] one the other one's just sitting there with their [ __ ] you know her [ __ ] you know goddamn book and she's got nothing to do okay so you're [ __ ] one of them and the other one's got a book well I mean like yeah that never happened but like I'm just sad like what's she gonna do she's just sitting on the couch right like well you know but whereas if there's three then like she could hang out with her friend or whatever and so like you know and then four and five it like is even better because then when you're like banging one like they barely even notice and so I just figured more but then like okay I mean this never happened but I'm saying like what if you went to 500 yeah 500 what the [ __ ] do you do with 500 girls you have one deck you can only bucks so much so it's like that is an example of like massive excess where it would just be like too much yeah you know but the thing is you were pushing against the world and the world wasn't pushing back if you wanted 500 you'd get five I was wet at some of your some of your parties I had them at the parties and I was I was miserable you know like I was walking around and um it was just like I mean listen there was some cool pieces like at the parties walking around I mean listen I I was a [ __ ] normal dude growing up right so like me going on a party and looking around and having all [ __ ] eyes on me and knowing that I could [ __ ] almost any hot girl in that party was a cool feeling especially growing up the way I grew up I mean that was awesome right that was like my dream beyond my dream um but it was overwhelming you know and also I had so many things to think about at these parties too like I I'm like you know pissing all these people off because they can't get in I've got celebrities [ __ ] texting me you know I got [ __ ] Chris Brown bitching because he's like the guy the guys won't let him up the [ __ ] driveway like you know [ __ ] maluma wants to park like you know it's just like all this [ __ ] right and so you don't want to piss people off and you want these good parties and you want celebrities to have fun and like you know when I would go over to their houses they would always like treat me with a lot of respect and like oh you know if you want to use a bedroom and you know you can crash here if you want to [ __ ] here like they were really cool with me and so I want to reciprocate that and I've always kind of wanted to be a good host too and also like when I'm doing something I want to do it right and with these parties like I always wanted to [ __ ] do it as best as I possibly can especially since there was like all these people always like talking [ __ ] and mad and wanting to see me fail because I'd shut all these [ __ ] out of their my parties you specifically said like sugar daddies agents people that hated me they hated you I'm [ __ ] their girls they can't come to the party they're like you know there's no way to buy there's no table so there's no bottle service you don't buy your way into a dance party yeah no so it was one of those things where like I was pissing off a lot of powerful people that like would never get shunned you know I mean I there's a lot of athletes I didn't let in like I mean there's you know probably some big celebrities I didn't know the [ __ ] they were yeah like whatever man I I can't like I couldn't field all these calls I watched you walking down getting you with your security with you're getting people in physically having to get them in yeah and your guys I've always wanted to ask you this I walk in and the guys have shotguns and what are they loaded oh yeah they were loaded chocolates not rubber bullets they had [ __ ] AR-15 yeah I saw that yeah you know this was like dude I was like I want to show Force yeah I was like I want 70 dudes here with [ __ ] machine guns like I want this [ __ ] place like goddamn Fort Knox it felt like Fort Knox because like there's you know there's multiple things of it like a I think it deters people from trying to [ __ ] around B it makes it way less likely there's gonna be fights see nobody's pulling a gun at that [ __ ] you know what I mean like yeah I [ __ ] up right and these are all like X Special Forces guys you know I mean not all of them but a lot of them were like X Special Forces dudes and um so yeah it was like no [ __ ] around you know like I did not want any [ __ ] and so a lot of times like you know if you if you go out with like [ __ ] Nine security guards you're not gonna have any issues right you know but if you go out with like [ __ ] one guy like maybe somebody wants to [ __ ] you know test you know that your security or whatever it's like but if you have enough like people are just like okay I'm not [ __ ] around you know you know my favorite uh party story it's an earlier party you had a [ __ ] I'm sorry there's a word he used if I say something offensive I apologize this word in the book you had a [ __ ] [ __ ] two girls in the entryway bathroom and then listen I didn't have him doing anything this [ __ ] didn't listen to [ __ ] okay this guy was lawless not only did he [ __ ] two girls in the goddamn bathroom but he's like chain smoking cigarettes in my living room like he couldn't tell this little [ __ ] anything dude it was the craziest [ __ ] I've ever seen and I like went up to him like respectfully I was like hey man like you know I'd appreciate it if you you know wouldn't smoke in the house and he was like kind of like looked at me like [ __ ] off you know whatever and like went back to smoke and I told my security I'm like get this [ __ ] out of here you know like there's nothing funnier than me than seeing because I didn't know it was you who went up and talked to him uh that he's sitting there smoking cigarettes and you tell him hey man can you please stop smoking in the house and he's like this little [ __ ] is like [ __ ] off he said like go [ __ ] like he didn't say go [ __ ] yourself like I think he like kind of like put it down but like as soon as I walked off he like went back to smoke and I told him I said I was like put this [ __ ] in the trash and he had to kick him down the [ __ ] driveway like come on like you know it was ridiculous and he had already started a fight like I said in the beginning you know because there was like limited bathroom space outside wait he's [ __ ] two girls he's [ __ ] somebody else comes into films him so he's [ __ ] two girls one of the girls that was waiting for the bathroom like tries to get in like I guess the door was unlocked I don't know what the [ __ ] the deal was but she like cracked it saw him [ __ ] the two girls thought it was hilarious obviously because it was took out her camera and started filming one of the girls saw and [ __ ] went crazy and there was literally like a fight you know and so this [ __ ] retires from my couch to smoke cigarettes while these girls are like [ __ ] battling in the house and I was just like this is just so [ __ ] absurd like what like half of me like was impressed with this guy but the cigarettes like [ __ ] him man oh all right so I have a unique experience uh a unique perspective you have obviously thrown your parties but you've never gotten into one of your parties and I have and it is madness man uh going through the line you know getting checked in um I will you know I had a guest list with Bianca gezzi on the second one the first one was a girl named Brianna put the whole list in there Bianca like they're very strict the later party they're very strict the uh the girls I was bringing they're like well you can't bring this girl this girl oh we've added them yeah it was like it was crazy and I appreciated that I thought that was really awesome shout out to Bianca if she if she's watching this uh and then and then we go in there and it's it's like living in an Instagram post which I imagine a lot of your life is like I'm Bruce Buffer Walks By Me and then I see um I see Javale McGee and then I see Devin Booker walk by me and then I'm sitting in your living room and and granted it's a big living room but it's a living room and I'm watching cardi b six feet in front of me performing she gets off and then I've never seen what swaely looks like at this point he gets on he starts rapping and I'm like I'm sitting here with Swae Lee and there's I'm in a room I'm in a living it's still a house this is even though it's a gigantic house it's still a house I'm in the living room I can't believe this I look to my right I see Diplo drinking a beer with a cowboy hat on and it's just like the the surrealness and then of course goes without saying every single Instagram model without exception uh was there and I saw them and met them and that part was just like to me was mind-boggling also you know I brought 90 girls to your house you were doing me the favor because any girl I asked they all said yes you know I showed up with 45 girls with me and Sam Rima we show up with 45 girls and it was like like we were trying to get in behind another group of like hundreds of girls can you talk about that how Road was pretty incredible for throwing parties and uh the idea to throw those type of parties with these huge musical artists yeah so I'd been throwing parties in La since man probably like 2012 I started with like some pool parties that I would throw at this house I was renting from Richard Gere and um I you know do the ratio then it was like 300 girls and 30 guys or whatever and we would have the masseuses and the mani pedis and the [ __ ] champagne and all the [ __ ] so I was like it was it was a cool place you know girls wanted tan they want to hang out they want to get their nails done whatever and the guys didn't even [ __ ] pay attention to their girls there was like so many of them so the girls got to hang out and they didn't get [ __ ] with you know and that was the environment that I wanted to create is that girls could come there they could be safe guys are gonna be [ __ ] hitting on them chicken Hawking all these [ __ ] girls and whatever and they could drink champagne they'd get their nails done they could have a massage whatever they can go home and like nobody harasses them you know and as far as the guys go if they want to get [ __ ] it's like they're getting attacked so you know and so that was what I wanted to create I want to create a situation where like everybody was happy there and I found the best way to do that was with that ratio and so it was seven to one was what you said in the book yeah that was like the minimum minimum that was the minimum I wanted and so which is why the the agents and the other people that normally get invited to everything in Hollywood don't get invited to to your party yeah [ __ ] them um that was that was you know that was the goal I wanted to throw the best parties and to me the best parties was ones that had an absolutely disproportionate amount of girls yes that being said for the girls you have to offer them something right so for them I wanted cardi B performing I wanted sway Lee performing I wanted [ __ ] tiger on the mic like I wanted all these people and so I would tell them you know I'd say hey tiger you know you [ __ ] you know can you get up there and throw you know throw down a few songs like you could have one of the [ __ ] guest rooms you could park up the top like I always took care of those people you know and he was always cool um he'd always like you know [ __ ] grab a few of my girls you know I was like but I had to replace him he knows the whole thing but um it was it was it was cool man it was like it was one of those things where I had Cirque du Soleil performer yeah I had like you know I had all this [ __ ] because I wanted the girls to be entertained you know I have the gay guys in there you know I'd have you know I just wanted it to be an environment where the girls weren't looking around like what the [ __ ] am I doing here so in order to create that you have to have like some you know big talent and then you also want to have a bunch of celebrities because you know a lot of those girls you know they're stoked to be around celebrities so if you have the other hot girls you have celebrities you've got good performances you've got [ __ ] going on you've got good catering you've got top shelf booze like everybody's going to be stoked and it's exclusive it's hard to get in and so that's what I wanted to create and so when I went back to LA when I decided that I was going to start ignite I'd gotten rid of my um blue jay house yeah and so I was like okay we're gonna make some [ __ ] noise here and I was interested in buying Playboy they just wanted too much money right so I raised some money and I started looking for how or I started looking for houses and then I raised the money afterwards once I found the house and it was just unequivocally the house man I looked at that thing I was like this is [ __ ] look like a freight you said it looked like a cruise ship buried into the side of a hill a Beach ocean line Beach ocean liner yes and it definitely does it really did man it had like all the [ __ ] blue lighting and it was just too it took up half the [ __ ] mountain in Bel Air and I just saw this thing and I was like this is the house like unequivocally this is like a football field worth of astro turf up on the top it was enormous and it was literally set up exactly to throw a party that was the only thing that house is good for is like throwing parties and getting laid and that is what I came back to LA to do and that's what I did and so I you know I branded it and I and I threw them the best way I could and I think it was [ __ ] amazing man I don't know that anybody's ever replicated a party like that no so I was I was uh Crystal Heffner used to invite me to a week we used to host a bikini competition together and I went to Playboy party and I met you the Playboy Midsummer Night's Dream party and I met you there one time and those parties are great and they're iconic and the ratio is incredible and the girls are really pretty but what I saw at your place was I mean I'm lit I'm watching you get drinks with Machine Gun Kelly to your left and I think Jake Paul was to your right and I'm just like you're just like living in I don't even know how to explain it you know what I'm saying it's like even and by the way I'll tell you even in the book while this is one of the best books is probably one of the most entertaining and definitely one of the most honest books I've ever read in my life the thing is even being there it still doesn't even encapsulate how incredible like those those whole experiences are no I always with everything in the book I tried to understate you know like the vignettes I think like paint a little bit of a crazier picture because that's from other people but for me I like always aired on the side of like understating whatever um because I felt like I almost had to like downplay it a little bit to make a believer because people just unless they had been there and experienced it and seen it it's like hard for people to process and I think you know there's just a lot of guys that are like there's no way that he's doing this without paying for the girls and it's like dude I don't give a [ __ ] man I have plenty of money like it would be much easier for me to pay for the girls you know and I'm not like this isn't a pride thing it's not an ego thing like my life would be better more fulfilled and probably more entertaining if I just paid for hookers to [ __ ] me like but I just for me the attract I couldn't get I mean don't get me wrong I [ __ ] hookers but the attraction was not the same as if a girl really wanted to [ __ ] me and so whatever man like I paid the price for that like I lost a lot of time right you know interacting with those girls and having to maintain relationships and talking to them and whatever um and this is part of the setup when you talk about the setup the setup was how do I get to where I have to put zero effort into getting whatever women I want and then also the setup was like you said before how do I become famous you used Instagram you talk about Instagram being uh minimal effort or showing low amount of effort without looking like bragging so the setup is all about figuring out what you want and then figuring out how to get it yeah right and so with the Instagram you know it's like okay I wanted to get laid with less effort I wanted to become famous I want to see what that was like like I want to climb a different Mountain that was the mountain I want to climb how am I going to go about doing that so I set that up right so like you know with whatever it was you know with the poker my goal is to make the most amount of money possible in poker so I set up you know my image you know the games that I got into the you know the whole thing like I you wanted to look rich and you wanted to look like a trust fund kit I want to look as rich as humanly [ __ ] possible because it would help me win more money and and have those people feel better about losing it okay um and so whatever it was that I wanted I just just you know figured out the optimal way to set up my life to get it and it's not that you know there would be less effort a lot of times I would put in more effort I would just front load it I would put the effort into like setting up the situation like dude throwing one of those parties is a [ __ ] pain a lot of work a lot of work but once that party was thrown I would get so much [ __ ] [ __ ] for months and like I couldn't handle it like I literally couldn't [ __ ] all the girls that want to [ __ ] me not just at the party but then afterwards right and so there you know and then that pays dividends and then because all those girls want to hook up with me you know and and girls would DM me I wouldn't even [ __ ] respond I never hit up girls like all this [ __ ] so like the word got around you know and like and the stuff snowballs it's kind of like in college like if you [ __ ] one girl really good at a sorority she's going to tell all the friends and you can [ __ ] the whole house right like so there's a lot of these things where you put the work in earlier you did things right and set it up and then it pays dividends so um yeah that was kind of you know that was the big premise of the book it's like figure out what you want and how to get it so Clarence whose name is changed that's not his actual name he he does have a footnote in the book where he talks about noticing you becoming famous Clarence said he wanted to become famous and then he saw with you you can never turn it off and then he decided he didn't really want it I think he still wants to be friends I think he still does man but uh yeah he had some really good vignettes man he did he did two that were super insightful and uh and I think he had a very unique perspective because he saw me before and he saw me through it and he saw you know basically like the whole thing you know he saw the whole Spectrum he saw you know because I was getting a lot of [ __ ] before I was famous don't get me wrong yeah like he saw that but he saw this how I would get [ __ ] afterwards like it was situations where it was like what the [ __ ] is going on like like you know two chicks I just met sucking my dick in front of a van full of [ __ ] people you know without even like speaking words to them maybe even speaking you know they're just like well and their boyfriend was following them yeah with the boyfriend because he had because one of the girls had the apartment Keys yeah he couldn't get it yeah bro like just so many crazy things but that's just like one example I mean he saw I mean and and obviously he saw all the girls that I would you know tell like you know you know [ __ ] bill first or what I would send naked girls into him all the time like and so he just saw this and he saw the power of it and I think he was like pretty mesmerized um and it was like also like I said it was like kind of off when he had just gotten his divorce too so it was very well timed right um and we were on a yacht and he was just getting all the [ __ ] he could handle and then some and so he he got a look behind the curtain and I think he had a unique appreciation for it um but he like I said he also had a really good perspective and he did a really good vignette in there and he had some interesting references that I thought really depicted it well well I think another part of this book is that there's this whole nightclub Instagram EDM era that's happened over like the last 10 years and I think this documents that whole era a lot because you know you talk about uh Steve Aoki and you talk about clubs paying you to go to places and part of the Instagram which was the biggest platform in the entire world you were an integral part of that so like I honestly I feel like this kind of documents that whole era not just your life you know it was a very interesting time man I I honestly didn't think that Instagram was gonna continue like it has um it's taken over the [ __ ] world yeah man it's like it's like they've hacked your brain and they've figured out ways to give you that intermittent positive reinforcement and it secretes dopamine and it's addictive and it's something that you know people they get hooked on this attention and they get hooked on the likes and they get hooked on you know people telling them good things and then also on the flip side of it it's like the world's best dating app I mean if you want if you want a great blade you do a post and then all these girls are now thinking about you they're texting you and I talk about this in the book that does a very integral shift because now you've got girls chasing you as opposed to you reaching out to them and that and I don't think people understand how important that is yeah when a girl is pursuing you versus you reaching out to them in their mind very different things are happening when you're pursuing them they're looking at you like okay like do I want to hook up with this guy like what's wrong with them like they're looking at all the negatives when they're pursuing you they're like oh why isn't he texting me back like am I does he not find me attractive they're questioning themselves it's just it's literally night and day yeah right and so you mentioned they put you in a scene where you're supposed to hit on Cameron Diaz and you're like I don't hit on girls so I don't really know how to do this I know it was that was funny man I totally imploded it was uh it was yeah it was for the movie The Other Woman yeah and uh Nick cassavettes um put me in there and it was funny man I think I I told the story pretty well in there yeah it was uh it was an interesting moment because he expected you to be some like lotharia womanizer Casanova and instead you were just like no they chased me because of the setup that I have in my life well he had been on vacations with me yeah we had taken a bunch of girls down to Cabo and I'd [ __ ] almost the entire lot of them and so he had seen it he had seen it firsthand the girl's competing and just like the debauchery and when you see something like that you're like okay this guy gets tons of [ __ ] like he's gonna be the smooth talking whatever and like I didn't have terrible game it's not like I couldn't talk to girls but I wasn't the it just wasn't my Approach like I wasn't the guy like I did that in college like I went up to a bunch of girls and I would hit on them and whatever but it wasn't so much hitting on them because I found hitting on them was very counterproductive so I would invite them to do things like I would say Hey you know we're having this party do you want to come out we're going out on the boat you you know do you want to come wakeboarding I would invite them to things there would be other girls there there wouldn't be the real pressure of interaction and then you know you'd end up hooking up at some point um and it was kind of like very casual interactions subtle stuff it wasn't the blatant hitting on them and they wanted you know because Hollywood they paint this unrealistic picture what is what is effective with women they tell you hey hit on a girl tell her how great she is kiss her ass do everything she wants to do all the things you're not supposed to do Hollywood tells you to do so you know this was another example of like they want you to like aggressively hit on some [ __ ] random girl at the bar which almost never works right like almost never works if it does she was already ready to go home with someone or you had something else going for you like the pre-selection the money the fame something else like that yeah but in movies they show it working yeah the movie swingers ends with the main character walks into a bar sees the hottest girl he's ever seen in his life they they get together and and I'm just like this would she'd be on her phone the [ __ ] is this this would never happen in a million years and I always thought it was like damaging yeah it's just they just perpetuate this nonsense um and yeah like oh you know can I buy you a drink you're so pretty like it's just that's [ __ ] man that doesn't work that's bad it's counterproductive it's a terrible game and so anyway so he wanted me to basically you know hit on this girl and I don't hit on girls I don't do the cheesy pickup lines that doesn't work so I didn't really have and he wanted me to like improvise and I'm just like man this is not my thing not to mention like Cameron Diaz is looking at me like she wouldn't [ __ ] me in a million years which like mentally threw me off a little bit too you know so um yeah and plus she was like way taller than me yeah um I mean she's my height but she had like five inch heels on so she's like six two and Nick's like [ __ ] six six I felt like a [ __ ] [ __ ] and uh and then when Nick recommended they put boosters in my shoes it just like totally [ __ ] me up dude yeah that would that would mess with me like God damn it you know um but yeah man it's all learning experience dude I I thought the uh the movies were um very eye-opening you know like Tom Cruise made a comment and he got roasted about it where he said that acting is harder than being in the military and people weren't [ __ ] crazy about it and I'm like [ __ ] I've done both like I literally like did the hardest training in the [ __ ] military there is and for me I think acting is harder you know whatever [ __ ] unique talent yeah yeah but like you know maybe some guys it comes [ __ ] natural but like you know when you snap your fingers and you're supposed to just like [ __ ] be a totally different person you know in a scene that doesn't feel real to you um that's difficult and and the camera picks up everything you know so if you don't believe it it doesn't come across and so there's yeah it's uh it's harder because for some people it's impossible yeah that's what makes it harder whereas the military some some of those things are possible also but you try harder you follow directions you get more discipline with acting it's just like one of these things because I took acting classes for about 18 months and I just remember seeing these people who could just become someone else and be broken like become sad very bro and I'm not sad and broken I don't know how to do that that was the part that that I think makes it difficult you don't know how to be this guy who hits on women yeah I mean you're also very comfortable on camera too so you probably like you would probably have an easier time because that's like your job that's what you do you're like you know you're I always see you [ __ ] hosting with a mic like you know happy smiling very comfortable all this [ __ ] 99 of guys couldn't do that yes right okay so we're not even just talking about that we're talking about that and then add on you have to be somebody else in that moment believe that and sell that um and so yeah it's tough man um like it took me a little while to get comfortable on camera it's not a natural thing it's like you know all these people looking at you also that's another reason why I think like this generation has a lot of anxiety is because they're not thinking about like them being in that moment they're thinking about like how are other people perceiving me like what are people gonna think and that's why I think a lot of people have a hard time doing like the podcast and stuff like that is because in their mind they start getting [ __ ] up um I saw it with Bob memory he was you know in his earlier podcast he could just tell like he wasn't that comfortable and then if people started talking [ __ ] saying you know stuff to them I could tell was [ __ ] with them and then because that's [ __ ] with him it's like starts compounding right because now he's not just thinking about that but he's like oh [ __ ] like am I looking stupid like you know all this stuff and when when you get into that mindset when you like get into that frame automatically you're [ __ ] yeah you're stuck in your own head yeah instead of being in the present moment which I think a lot of the things that you do the jumping out of the helicopter that's a present moment thing that's not something you I'm gonna do this later it's just you're in the moment a lot of the things the wakeboarding the surfing even being with the girls is a lot of present moment stuff that you do which I think uh is pretty awesome you mentioned uh Denzel Washington a couple times in the book who I'm a huge fan of he was in the equalizer he he kills you in The Equalizer if you guys go back and watch it I didn't know that he killed you I remember I texted you right after I saw that I was like holy [ __ ] this is awesome he had a quote it's a good death it was a good death it was a very good death he has a quote and I actually expected to see it in the book but I didn't but I thought this really relates to you Denzel Washington says you'll never be criticized by someone who is doing more than you you'll always be criticized by someone doing less remember that and then I start thinking about the Nick Ritchie stuff I started thinking about the the stuff where people come after you about the trust fund stuff about how well you are playing poker and I noticed in your book you don't do the same thing and you have the photo of you and Donald Trump is in there but there's not a word about Biden there's not a word about Trump you don't get political in there and I thought I I thought that was really interesting that you don't like you said before Sam said don't talk [ __ ] about other people while you're at this house yeah I mean you know I do think Biden's a [ __ ] train wreck um but I just didn't think that it had a place in the book I mean I'm not one of those guys that don't talk [ __ ] I will talk [ __ ] but I will talk [ __ ] to the person's face and I will say it very openly and I'm not going to be like a behind the back type of guy I'm pretty open about my opinions um it's just I didn't think it had a place in the book um you know I think um but you know look as far as Trump goes I mean he's he's loved he's hated he's extremely polarizing um I don't know him well enough to judge him right but what I can say is that he's done one thing that was really [ __ ] good and that's bring attention to the false media and the false you know like press that's going out there and I think like when I was growing up I believed everything that was that I read that was from the Press because I'm like well you and I were growing up they didn't have a motivation to make up so many different narratives like they do now I think a lot more of it was true back then it's very political I mean you you watch CNN and it's like literally watching propaganda like you're not getting an un like I feel like back when we were growing up it was more they took pride in being unbiased they took pride in like giving the real story I mean I'm sure there was [ __ ] back then but I don't think it's to the extent that it is now um but you know I just uh I look at a lot of what's going on right now and I kind of shake my head because I understand it it's like all this stuff is about control yes and one thing that I do know is that when you give your government more control they never give it back once more laws are passed I mean they're almost never repealed um so they start chipping away at freedoms and you know and some things that people don't feel like are important you know start to compound right and it's like you know maybe this one single Freedom isn't that big of a deal maybe this one single Freedom isn't that big of a deal when you put them all together and you continue to chip away eventually you're in a spot like Look at California for instance like you can't own a gun out there I mean without it being illegal you can't have a magazine capacity you can't have this you can't have that and so you look at that and you're like yeah do I need a 30 round magazine yeah probably not do I need a [ __ ] you know pistol grip on a gun ah probably not like any one of those little things isn't probably that big of a video I mean they're all [ __ ] right but like any one of them isn't that big of a deal when you come pound them and you have all these different [ __ ] stipulations now you literally can't have any goddamn guns yeah every gun that I have is illegal in California barring a 1911. right right so it's like yeah any one of those one things in a vacuum wasn't that big of a deal but when you put them all together it becomes a huge [ __ ] deal that was actually my next transition is that the reason why because you've always been a resident of Nevada correct yeah so you have not always but since 2000 we got it so the um the the house the the house at Shaolin Road you don't have that house anymore was that part of this whole thing where you saw the government sort of like taking over some control no that was um that was actually so I paid 5 million for the option to buy the house you set the strike price at 60 million it was listed for 90 which was a pretty [ __ ] good deal um I always thought that either ignite was going to buy it or we were going to buy it and flip it I always thought there was you know Big Value in the house because it was kind of a you know one-off I mean there was if you wanted like I looked at the what the Playboy Mansion was sold for and it was like a piece of [ __ ] house and it was sold for some crazy number and I figured we could do that same thing with this Chalan house and so that was the reason that I paid for the option and then we rented it for uh 200 Grand a month and it made total [ __ ] sense we got absolute huge value out of it but then when covet hit and everything was locked down we're getting no value and you know to me I was like [ __ ] I don't think people are going to continue to live in California all these laws and all this other [ __ ] so in the in the owner of the house you know he's he wanted to sell it so it's like okay fine you know let's try and sell it he had like blocked us a couple times with selling it and he was like oh you know it's gonna be really hard to sell it with you know with you in and I was like okay fine like if I leave and we sell it like you know I get a piece of The Upside and then we get the 5 million option back he's like okay cool [ __ ] guy then Moves In The Wish guy who's renting the house and I'm like what the [ __ ] was the point of that like you know like now we can't sell the house you know and and I don't have the [ __ ] benefit of it even though I paid the [ __ ] option it was like it was very irritating we're actually in a lawsuit with the guy now because of that um but yeah I mean you can't have somebody pay 5 million for the option and then block them on exercise in that option which is what he did right we had a buyer previous to that um and he kind of like blocked the sale which was you know whatever fine but then you know when you have me move out so we can sell it and then you move somebody else in I thought that was kind of [ __ ] he's basically just like stealing my [ __ ] option money which is pretty irritating that's pretty crazy yeah yeah there's a lot of parties at that house now I mean they're not quite the same though right every [ __ ] tick tocker and their mother is invited it's like so strange man and they put these big ugly wish stickers all over I mean he like there's just so many people that try and copy me and they fail because they're trying to copy and I feel like nobody wants to see a [ __ ] copy they want to see like you know something unique something you know you know everything that I did was like I was kind of pioneering it you know I was doing it I was the first guy to do it and I was like one of the first guys to kind of like reflection on social media and doing all that [ __ ] and putting it out there um and you know it worked but it worked because it was authentic like I was [ __ ] every one of those girls that I was [ __ ] posting I mean not like you know group pictures I'm not banging every chick but I'm saying like any chick that I posted and tagged like oh of course you know it was to me it was unauthentic you know like for instance that girl Hannah I talk about in the book um you know when she came out to Hawaii and she had a boyfriend or whatever um one of the reasons that I actually wanted to [ __ ] bang her is because like I had a good picture with her and I looked ripped in them yeah I remember this picture yeah I refuse to post it unless I [ __ ] her you know but uh yeah it was a really good now I understand I didn't understand that before uh she is she in the photo now there was a photo you said IG asked you to take down it is you're in the hot tub with uh Katie Bell and Hannah Palmer and and some other was that the one that they asked you to take down how does Instagram ask you to do something I'm curious so I had a guy there um that was kind of like my contacts about any issues or whatever um and then if they if there was a post that they wanted to delete they would just hit me up and be like hey can you take this down and then I would just take it down and that helped preserve my account um unfortunately the guy quit and so I don't have anybody now on Instagram so anybody anybody from Instagram shout out hit us up right now exactly um no but yeah that was the that was the issue there they just basically because they started becoming more and more strict about their guidelines and so I I don't know why that photo um was against because I blurred the nipples out but whatever you know it was irritating because it was like literally one of my like best engaged I think I put the stats in the book you said it was the most engaged photo that you had it was crazy it had like millions of shares like I don't think people understand like when millions of people like if they either that's them sending it to somebody or posting it on their story like to get millions of shares it's pretty goddamn strong yeah millions of likes is hard millions of shares is [ __ ] incredible that's what I'm saying it was like and if you looked at like how many people had seen it it was like 70 million or some [ __ ] you know so it's just like you know you look at a lot of these accounts like the fake ass Nike account they like bought like 150 million followers yeah they can't get like more than a couple million views in their videos and it's like the the ignite account has better engagement than Nike account or sorry the ignite account has better engagement than the Nike one and it's just interesting to see that you know and and I think my following is very underrepresented because there's a lot of guys that have my notifications on that aren't actually following me so when I do do these posts that's why a lot of my videos are getting you know 40 million 30 million [ __ ] views and the Rock is getting like six because there's a lot of guys watching that maybe can't actually be following so what do you think about how Instagram changed a lot of the girls that became popular because they were in your photos or just in that whole scene or went to your parties a lot of these girls are now suspended for the same things that they were doing in 2016. exact same things accounts are getting deleted because of that I mean I think it's kind of like what only fans was gonna do yeah and I think it's like turning your back on the people that made you okay and I think that kind of irritates your base right not only is Instagram not paying any of their creators which I think it's kind of [ __ ] up and greedy but now they want to like start restricting things that got the person you know famous and got the platform famous I mean let's be honest like it wasn't hot chicks on Instagram nobody probably would have given that that is correct that has been my point all along yeah so to me it's like a lot of hypocrisy but I think big Tech is like super hypocritical um you know and they take these stances where it's like you know my way or the [ __ ] highway and you know we're not gonna it's not gonna be equal on both sides it's gonna be like you know this clear bias like we're going to allow the Taliban to have a [ __ ] Twitter account but not the president like right I don't know man like a lot of that stuff just really doesn't sit right with me especially because I truly believe that Trump made [ __ ] Twitter relevant again like who the [ __ ] gave a [ __ ] about Twitter before [ __ ] Trump was on there like it was an interesting dying goddamn platform he literally like single-handedly [ __ ] saved the whole platform like it was Trump's tweets that like made that [ __ ] platform relevant I mean Twitter is [ __ ] stupid like nobody cares about Twitter but then he was on there saying all this wild [ __ ] and then people like start engaging with it and then they [ __ ] ban the guy I mean I just thought it was like so ridiculous you know yeah that is I mean that that part got kind of crazy where you know I don't know if you're aware but there was a um the Supreme Court there was a guy that Donald Trump tried to block and the Supreme Court stated that because Donald Trump tried to block him on Twitter they were violating his first amendment rights so the the POTUS account is not allowed to block any any people on there but then this whole thing happened with Twitter and just one of these interesting situations where like I can't tap your phone unless I get a warrant because your phone the phone company is a public utility but Instagram is big enough now to affect elections they're big enough to make people think the [ __ ] Earth is flat there are people who think the Earth is flat there's big enough to think of all these different conspiracies but they're not a public utility by the way they don't fact check that what do you mean oh of course like we're gonna fact check [ __ ] you know everything except the Earth being flat like that's something that's like just obviously clearly provable right like my friends have been in space they've seen space they've shown me pictures videos like I've seen the Earth like I've traveled the Earth I've on my plane like I talked to my Pilots they know the Earth has a [ __ ] curvature because they fly certain flight paths and if it was flat they couldn't fly right like they're flying over the poles sometimes so like I it's unequivocal that the Earth is round but why the [ __ ] aren't they fact checking that like like why did they just pick and choose what they're gonna fact check and then they I don't know man like these Mass like the mass I think are just total [ __ ] like they like they've proven that these like cloth masks do not prevent the transmission like they don't like the like the n k n 95s and n95s they can but yet they're like insisting that you wear like a [ __ ] bandana around your face I mean it's just like nonsense one of the things I thought was dangerous was um both parties you know Donald Trump not wearing a mask at all and then we got to a point where Joe Biden had a mass that went all the way up to it do you remember this big blue mask and he's on a stage by himself and he's wearing the gigantic blue mask and what I thought was dangerous about that was now for me to let me know I support you I gotta wear that mask which means if I don't support you then I'm not going to wear a mask and now we've made Health decisions based on regardless of what the truth is we made Health decisions based on political uh political ideology they've completely divided our country in record time yeah I mean in record time they've made people more racist they've made everything I mean they're basically like reintroducing segregation I mean they say they care about black lives they don't give a [ __ ] about black lives like so many [ __ ] black people died in Chicago nobody gives a [ __ ] about that they only care about it when it like fits their narrative and it's like then they want to be like oh well voting is racist because black people aren't smart enough to get an ID like what the [ __ ] is that man and then in New York like 70 of blacks are not vaccinated and so now they can't go into like places of business like how the [ __ ] is that not segregation against black you know what I mean like like it's only when it's convenient for their [ __ ] narrative that they like push this stuff and then it's just like all this virtue signaling like all these black squares all this [ __ ] it's like listen man like if you're actually [ __ ] you know upset about something then fine like no worries but stop with this like sheep mentality where like everybody has to do something or like you know like if you don't do this then you're racist like they're just trying to like just divide divide divide and I see it and it's just so ridiculous like they're teaching black kids that you know they're oppressed it's like black people are not [ __ ] oppressed man like all my [ __ ] black friends are thriving like this country has embraced Black Culture more than anywhere else in the [ __ ] world like you know the highest paid musician is [ __ ] you know African-American black whatever you want to call it the highest paid actor The Rock black the you know just like every single golf you know boxing every single thing you turn around even F1 racing like all of it so you know if it's so [ __ ] biased then why are these people succeeding you know and they want to like point at poverty but there's twice as many white people in poverty as there are blacks so it's not a poverty issue I mean I don't know I just I just think it's all just nonsense but they're starting to figure it out like you know these basketball players are like I've had coven and I have the antibodies like you're not going to force me to get this [ __ ] vaccine yes you're talking about Andrew Wiggins and Kyrie Irving who who said they're not going to get the value and they articulated it so well yeah like they made really really good [ __ ] speeches if only our president could speak like that I mean it was it was really impressive to me how they broke it down and it's like I don't know how you argue with that it was just so well put you know and so look I got the vaccine because I wanted to travel right and also because I thought about it and I was like you know what I think the chances that I have an issue with severe covid might be higher than the chances that I have an issue with this vaccine and the math the math shows that yeah so to me it was like okay [ __ ] it I'm gonna do it sure my doctor recommended it so I did it but like the more they kind of like try and silence people that speak out against it the more they don't open up a platform for people to like freely talk about this stuff the more worried I get because if you're trying to silence people like who like look at look at the look at the dictatorships that have tried to silence the people like Hitler Mao Stalin like all these people like you know they start taking away this the free speech I mean it's this should be a democracy where it's open dialogue yeah you can have an opinion I can have an opinion we can discuss that you can sway me I could sway you but not like only once I can speak and the other side we're trying to silence de-platform them like censor this censor that it's like that's not pretty I mean dude our first amendment number one freedom of speech like there's a reason why that's number one yes and and also for those of you don't know like every police officer and every time everyone who swore into the U.S military you say I Swear To Serve and Protect the Constitution of the United States of America so for us uh it's one of these things where like the first amendment like you said before like that's what we fought for uh there's something you brought up before let's talk about the Second Amendment real quick I really like that you brought this up because I'm from Texas and I lived in a neighborhood that was pretty safe and the the gun ownership in that neighborhood was really really high as you might imagine and then you talked about in Chicago uh where there's an individual handgun ban in places like that and in Baltimore and I believe in Washington DC and you said crime goes up in those places I thought that was a really interesting point yeah you look at every single place where they have the strictest gun control and there's like the most crime yes right and so if I'm a criminal and I'm debating if I'm going to break into a house am I going to break into Farmer John's house he probably has four [ __ ] shotguns over the mantle or am I going to break into [ __ ] this liberal [ __ ] in La where if I hurt myself in his [ __ ] counter I can sue him you know like where am I going to go I'm gonna go to [ __ ] La I'm gonna break into the guy with the [ __ ] prius's house and I'm gonna steal his [ __ ] and probably sue him afterwards and win I mean so it's one of those things where there's like a legitimate deterrent you know and a lot of these criminals like they don't give a [ __ ] about any of this stuff they it's just like the Taliban like they Respect power yes you know they respect somebody that's gonna like stand up to them and anybody else they're gonna run over it's bullying mentality right so you know if people are [ __ ] packing and they're willing to defend themselves this criminal is going to choose somebody that can't you know and so I think arming people is important I mean not like arming them but allowing them to arm themselves allow them and protect themselves yeah and that's why that's the [ __ ] Second Amendment there's a reason why these were like one and two yes and this wasn't [ __ ] number like 37 this wasn't number [ __ ] 533 this is number one and number two and they're number one and number two for a reason right right you know we are you know Joe Rogan made a good point like we are the first country that has like actually like thrived on for you know we our government has been like founded by the people this is like the first actual Free Nation you know all these other ones are dictatorships this or that and we have [ __ ] smoked everybody like we've got you know the the best [ __ ] music we got the best entertainment we've got the best you know actors we've got the best in all these categories like the US is crushing it and it's because Freedom it's because the ability to like go out there and do what you want to do and pursue you know what you want to pursue and it's because we've set up this democracy and it's you know it's important and freedom is the Cornerstone of that and so I think when people start losing these freedoms you know like man I couldn't believe Arnold said it like you know basically like screw your freedom you know and this [ __ ] idiot was like born in Austria right like I mean how does he not [ __ ] know about this like I was really unimpressed with that um you know but that's just you know this liberal [ __ ] man like these guys get on these [ __ ] bandwagons and like everybody in Hollywood has to think this and they have to do this or they're going to get canceled and it's like man that's not Freedom that's like you know [ __ ] they're like all anti-fascists but like the [ __ ] they're doing is like [ __ ] fascism yeah you know like to a core and so you look at this stuff and man like until the last two years I didn't realize like what [ __ ] sheep people were like you really are hurt animals you know you have an anti-bullying cause to the point where you start bullying other people yeah right like I've seen that on um on Instagram where people get reported for bullying it's completely false reported to the point their account gets taken down now who was actually bullied the person who just lost their account and in the first in the U.S Constitution we talk about innocent until proven guilty and you also have the right to face your accuser and then on social media or in the news you don't have the right to face your accusations or in our legal system I mean dude when I got when I got um charged with the uh the blowing up the semi truck [ __ ] they took away all my guns yeah like well they didn't take away they basically stopped allowing me to buy guns um I I couldn't own guns I couldn't have you know the the federal Farms license like all this stuff I wasn't allowed to carry and so if you're innocent until proven guilty why the [ __ ] do you lose all your constitutional rights right like you're not guilty you've not you have not been [ __ ] convicted you're discharged and many times people get charged for things that they're not [ __ ] guilty of so it's like why if you're innocent until proven guilty do you lose all these freedoms that are your constitutional rights until they've proven that you're guilty yeah it doesn't seem to make sense it serves them uh speaking of innocent until proven guilty your your uh Attorney John Tom Goldstein fantastic stories uh him racing you I still don't know understand how you took that Shelby uh uh Mustang and beat his Ferrari with it it was a 65 AC Cobra um and it was it's funny because that's like the the year that uh Ford B uh Ferrari Shelby actually went to my high school so he's a very famous person like in Dallas he's from East Dallas yeah yeah that's crazy no he was awesome man they did a really good job of that movie but yeah it was just interesting because that was kind of like the Rivalry and I had the the car you know from 65 then beat that was the motor the 427 side Oiler um and that was kind of the you know the start of the muscle car era you know and uh and so it's interesting because I I thought that I should beat him just because the math right like my car is lighter and I have more horsepower so I should just win in a [ __ ] drag race you know but nobody really knew do because his car was hadn't even come out yet I mean we had some Car and Driver reports but I mean I don't know it was one of those things where it was like a [ __ ] talking bet that kind of like we found out your math made sense to me but the times that he was reporting were so much lower than yours but was it below 11 seconds and then you ended up beating Matt yeah so I just I didn't realize how much stickier the drag track was going to be on the street okay yeah yeah the streets out here in Vegas like they've it doesn't rain very much the oil kind of like builds up and there's so they're real slick yeah and so when I was trying it out here man I was having a hell of a time getting below 13 and plus like I wasn't like shifting right no you know I'd never really done a drag race and maybe I didn't measured off all this stuff but I um I didn't realize I mean man like when you're talking about like tenths of a second it's like little things make make a difference and uh yeah I just had to basically learn how to drag race in his car I mean you just push the gas down and it goes so we did not have a stick I didn't even know that so he was just his was like the tip like the whole like you know dual clutch all all you know whatever the F1 shifting you just didn't have to do anything push the pedal down and it does it shifts at the perfect points and instantaneously shifts right like there's like Split Second whatever and I had you know the clutch and the [ __ ] you know the uh the thing that I also thought was great about Tom is that he had argued in front of the Supreme Court as you mentioned and his most famous letter was the one he sent to the the uh the attorney for the porn star that you had thrown off your roof who had broken her heel falling into your pool and I thought that was absolutely fantastic well not only had he argued in front of the Supreme Court I think he'd argued more Supreme Court cases than any other law of the history United States so it was like he's your poker buddy yeah so it wasn't like just some lawyer but he was like the [ __ ] guy so that's why it was even funnier um and also since he had like never done a drug and yeah super Square dude that's incredible Ben that that part I thought was absolutely fantastic man just so many uh great stories in there uh the the decision to self-publish what was that where did that come from I mean dude they want to give you some slave ass contract where they take 85 really 85 yeah so Goggins kind of like turned me on to that he he self-published and they all told him he was [ __ ] crazy and this and that and um I just looked at that like there's no way I'm giving these [ __ ] 80 85 of the money like I'm doing all the work like I've got the platform I'm gonna drive the [ __ ] sales and we did more in the sales uh like I qualified for a New York Times bestseller and just in the pre-sales did you okay so that was the next question I don't know how the book's doing so far but I'll never get on the list because they have like all these things where like they force you to go with these Publishers in order to get on the New York Times bestseller list because they won't count any online sales like they don't you know it's just all these things they have set up it's just like typical [ __ ] to to be a New York Times bestseller you only have to sell like 10 000 books really yeah a lot of people are not selling a lot of books I guess well you have to sell it by their rules right so it's not just ten thousand books you know it's ten thousand books sold by their rules and then if and then if like you'd if they don't like you know they're super liberal so if like they don't like you or whatever like they can just not put you on the list yes I've seen that before this is total horseshit you know and so it's one more of those things things where I was just like kind of like [ __ ] the system [ __ ] these guys [ __ ] the Publishers like I'm gonna do my own thing I thought it was that you were worried about some of the things you put in the book wouldn't be allowed oh yeah they'd probably try and have like some control over that and I was giving them [ __ ] zero control I just don't play by rules dude like I just do my I've noticed yeah I've noticed that's that's pretty crazy yeah like [ __ ] those [ __ ] oh we discussed an audiobook do you intend on uh reading narrating your audiobook um I think that's what everybody's telling me I should do I don't want to do it um I told you I'll do it I would do it in two seconds brother and I might take you up on that I mean I have to do the problem is we've got a paper shortage so we're about to run out of books okay and and they can't print more until January so it kind of sucks um but yeah I think the audiobook is is going to do really well people are very lazy and they don't want to read and I don't blame them I didn't really want to read you know what's crazy so I I know maybe more than a dozen people that you name in the book and I messaged a bunch of them and uh really I'm in the book like Lindsay's like really tell me more about that I'm like taking pictures of the book Sam Rima uh damn Fleischmann oh actually let's get to this before I forget the whole trust fund thing you took photos of the receipts for the for the trust fund that that eventually at one point was worth 98 million and then at the end was worth like less than 2 million for you yeah I think it was three total it was like yeah no it was maybe like it was it was around three and then when I cashed them I think it was around like two-ish so two million was it is essentially what the trust fund that you got from your dad and then the other thing that I thought was great was Dan Fleischman co-signing the 10.8 million Dan lets me he he's awesome guy he lets me uh host some of his charity events he's a really really great dude and he um he he talks about you winning 10.8 million off that one guy and then you post the wire on your Instagram yeah I mean I have all the wire receipts I mean it's all sent to my bank so I have like literally every single win all the wires that came in so it's like not this is not like you know Up For Debate like I have like proof like I have every single wire was like I mean I have it in the book it's like 5.5 million I think it was like 7.7 10.8 12 point something you know and then there was like some smaller wins too but it was like it's not like maybe this is exactly what this is what happened I laid it all out and I said it was from Al Gore's I mean said who it was I have a [ __ ] picture of me playing him I have the exact amount of the [ __ ] wires like it's not like I'm making this [ __ ] up I mean for a long time I think people like oh there's no way this [ __ ] guy made 50 million dollars playing private poker it's like okay douchebag like keep playing online [ __ ] you know enjoyed but it was to your advantage though no 100 I I didn't want people to think that I was [ __ ] winning I hope that your father was a famous financier in the 1980s yeah I didn't perpetuate like that I was a good poker player that's the last thing I wanted people to think like I wanted to get into good games with bad [ __ ] players and the way you do that is by not like talking about how great you are poker so you know I didn't care like all these people like you know like the people that knew that I was winning a lot is like you know doesn't this bother you I'm like I don't give a [ __ ] that's why I'm winning a lot of this money so the money spends all the same yeah it does I don't give a [ __ ] where it comes from like I really don't you know and so I don't know um I I don't care if people believe that I want it or not I don't give a [ __ ] I mean listen I've been [ __ ] spending crazy amounts of money for a long time like I bought a Jet and you know when I was it was like 2003 yeah right so like you don't buy a [ __ ] Gulf Stream in 2003 if you're not doing well like the trust fund the soonest I could have got it was at 35 and I didn't even cash it in so you know I gave it to my brother and then he he owed me some money and then he gave it back to me but I didn't even like I said I have the receipts of exactly when I sold it and what I sold it for so it's not like there's no ambiguity here it's not like it's there is none that's one of the things I loved about this book is that your life did have a lot of ambiguity you don't do a ton of interviews which by the way thank you I mean you came to all the way to our studio here which is amazing the uh and so there was a lot of things like we didn't know the order of things or what happened and this book answered so many questions that I would have had before which makes it so fantastic especially about the [ __ ] [ __ ] the two girls in the entryway of your house that is one of the most fantastic stories I have ever heard in my life and only wish that I had been there to see it uh yeah man so are you going to go back to the ignite parties are we doing any more of those yeah I mean we're gonna we're gonna start throwing parties again now that like how's the restrictions um I don't know I've never really been a big fan of like throwing parties at Vegas houses yeah um so I don't know might go to Miami might you know I don't know I I kind of hate going back to LA because I just don't like all their guidelines and they change very quickly they change Austin yeah so I think Miami's kind of like the new spot now that's where that's where people are going it's my you know home state and so yeah I mean also we can do it at casinos here too like the different uh you know Resorts World we could do it at you know um some of the you know different mgms yeah resource world has your uh the ignite uh stand in there right there in front of zoo the new nightclub that just opened up yeah so that's like yes there's a lot of good venues already you know it's just um I always like to do it in LA I think this thing is kind of it's weird we good Travis okay cool okay um but yeah so I think you know now that I'm done with the [ __ ] book finally and you know Kobe it's kind of lifted I think it's probably gonna be time to get back on the horse I've been really focused on the business man like we've been yeah crushing it and The Vape sales are doing incredible we're in South America we're going into the UAE we're in the UK we're going into Europe I mean so it's really massively expanding I mean I knew it was going to be a great business and it's proved to be so so let's talk about that you there was a Forbes article that comes out about the losses that ignite was taking and we didn't hear from you for a long time and can you talk about uh what happened during that interim and you said you have to lose money I mean obviously other companies lose money can you just describe what happened during that whole situation yeah so I mean you know covet hit us you know that was really unfortunate a lot of our [ __ ] got you know stuck in China um Canada wouldn't let us sell THC up there they like shot a lot of that stuff down I mean it was just headache after [ __ ] headache um with all that and our management really wasn't that great we had a guy in there that I fired and he was like The Whistleblower that came out and and you know talked all this [ __ ] and I think he was the Catalyst for a lot of those articles you know when you fire people yeah they get mad yeah they get mad and then they try and you know figure out a way I mean to be honest with you I was sitting there wondering like man I know how much I live in Vegas Diplo and Swae Lee and cardi B I'm like these parties are magnetic like they're huge and I'm like the funny thing is I wasn't even paying for a lot of like I didn't really okay another question you weren't paying them well I paid cardi B I didn't pay Diplo I didn't pay Carnage I didn't pay less so I didn't pay Swae Lee I didn't pay tiger you know so we got a lot of value at those parties um and it's incredible cardi B was like the only one that I didn't even listen to and I didn't know didn't even come up because it was too crowded but um yeah it was uh it was one of those things where I actually didn't spend a crazy amount of marketing but like we lost money doing some um bad deals we we came to Market um you know a little bit too late for the for the Cannabis the Cannabis was a big [ __ ] pain in the ass I mean we made some mistakes but look like a lot of it was spent you know making [ __ ] noise you know we were doing we were doing big [ __ ] and people know the [ __ ] brand I mean that's why ignite's got you know a bigger more loyal following than almost any other [ __ ] brand and every other brand in the Cannabis space put together you know and like I said the engagement's better than Nike I mean it costs some money to [ __ ] do this yes you know and so we were we were going hard and you know an example I like to give like we lost 50 million a year Uber lost [ __ ] five billion a quarter like you know companies lose money when they're [ __ ] growing and now we're profitable we're doing well like every [ __ ] quarter we're beating the last quarter we're crushing it um things are going well you know it takes a little while to [ __ ] you know get a big international business like that set up and sometimes you got to spend money to make money and usually really in the beginning if you're doing things right you know you're not just trying to spit out a big profit in the beginning it's just not a you know you know business model that you know almost anybody [ __ ] achieves success with right so I mean it's it's one of those things takes time and now we've we've done it and we've proved you know all those [ __ ] idiots wrong but like I said you know a lot of people you know they liked they don't care if it's true or not they just want to put out a [ __ ] headline that's going to get engagement yeah so and a lot of people don't understand how business works right too they don't they really don't get it you know and like they're like oh you know [ __ ] you're taking shareholders money and it's like this and that it's like almost all the money that came from ignite was put in by me private investors yeah I think I put in more but like private investors put in money but it was like no like the amount of money that came in from like people buying stock I think was like [ __ ] you know next to nothing just publicly traded on the Canadian Stock Exchange is that correct yep yep so let me ask you what do you think the prospects of THC becoming federally legal did you think it was before and something's changed well I mean that's what Biden and Harris promised us right right you're not full of [ __ ] politicians are um I don't know I mean right now we we're pulling out of THC until it becomes legal I mean just because it's such a [ __ ] show right they're really giving such a leg up to the black market by not having them test their stuff by not making them pay taxes you know they just have such an advantage that I mean why compete when no cannabis company I don't think there's a single cannabis company out there making money right now so it's like they've just put such a Stranglehold on it and they've regulated it and they've made these license so expensive and they put all these [ __ ] hurdles and loopholes it's just it's not worth it and ignite is doing Vapes for nicotine what else uh nicotine CBD um you know and eventually we'll do THC yeah we're gonna do that you know when it makes sense but right now it's just you know makes no [ __ ] sense so incredible man I think we went over everything we went over the First Amendment bro we did it we did it man I told you this is gonna be the most thorough interview you ever done a to z A to Z man it's really great hopefully we can have you on here again hey guys everybody who watch this I want to say thank you so much I am never going to take you guys for granted no matter what happens in denim I'm never going to take you for granted because you came out here you didn't have to do this and I really appreciate it uh guys make sure you like subscribe make sure you share this and also I want you guys to go to ignite it's ignite.co correct yep you're going to go to ignite.co and you're going to pick up this book you guys know like one of my favorite things I have a book list I talk about a lot of different books I cannot recommend this highly enough especially the things that you talk about in the setup uh real quick somebody wants to change their life you talk about it in the setup one of the my favorite things in there says the key to success is somebody getting as much experience in a short amount of time right that's actually the key to its success if somebody's reading this and they want to they want to change their life they want to do some better stuff do you have any like quick tips for them yeah I mean basically you know the in a nutshell you look at what you want what you want to accomplish what you want to achieve and then how to get there I think a lot of people don't spend enough time figuring out the road to their success as they do you know focusing on like I want this I want this I want this like okay but the most important thing is how are you going to get that and how are you going to get that in the most effective efficient way possible yeah and that's what a lot of this is about is efficiency you know with girls like not having to you know spend a ton of time you know trying to like you know approach approach approach and putting in all this volume if you can figure out a better way like when you're in college when you don't have any money and when you have no resources sometimes you gotta you know pay your [ __ ] dues and you know this this book isn't about not paying your dues but it's more about like front loading things and it's about doing what you got to do early so then later on you know you get the things you want with ease and you know in excess so this book is going to point out a lot of great ways to find efficiencies in your life I will absolutely co-sign on that man that's absolutely fantastic thank you for sending me an early copy I don't know if I was the first one to finish it but I tried to be you were one of the first man yeah a lot of people were mad that you got it and they're like what the [ __ ] you get this guy a book I'm in it and you know that's awesome man shout out to everybody who's in the book uh call me up I'll tell you I'll tell you what the uh the stories were like because a lot of our friends don't read so anyway thank you guys so much for uh showing thank you for going along with us man I hopefully we can have you back here again and uh we will see you guys next week cool thank you

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Published: Tue Mar 14 2023