Dan Barker - How an Evangelical Preacher Became One of America's Leading Atheists

I think I could set Jamie's monologue to music we listen to that cadence it wasn't that wonderful I've been speaking about atheism for 25 years now I think I've done my penance I only preached for 19 years I guess only is a strange word but ever since 1984 when I spoke publicly for the very first time about my atheism boy was i nervous and the venue for that was not some church of course it was not a humanist meeting it was the Oprah Winfrey Show I had just come out of preaching in nine months later she her producers called said we want to do a show about some somebody interesting with atheism I had never spoken publicly before any group before much less a hostile audience as a clergy I was so used to audiences being so loving and appreciative and here I was now denouncing everything I had formerly believed that was 25 years ago and I have to say and all that time this is the largest group of atheists I've ever had a pleasure to talk before how did you do it and look at this did any of you have to be here I mean you wanted to but are you afraid of hell are you did your did some organization tell you you have to come to this thing did are you work trying to gain brownie points in heaven isn't it amazing that this movement this atheism which actually is a non-movement because a movement needs followers right and none of your followers we're all our own leaders were all egalitarian isn't it amazing how organically it just spreads up because we want to be and the student groups is there another example of that forming all over them all over our nation all over this country I had the pleasure of meeting some of the are some of the student group leaders here today some of you University people yeah what I think is amazing nobody's making them do that students are poor and they're busy and a lot of them say we got to fight back we got to do something and think they're the only ones in the world they formed their group and then they realized oh there's more of us it's just what Phil Zukerman calls and Gregory Paul calls a kind of organic atheism not from the top down but for the people themselves thinking deciding on their own voluntarily that this is important to me and this is why I want to be here when I did my debate Thursday morning at the Macquarie with Cardinal George Pell whose name I had never heard before but when I mentioned it to some people I mention it when I was in New Zealand there's some of the New Zealand humanists here today as well somebody said oh he's a disaster and I thought well maybe I could use that word who was this guy and then when I got to Sydney somebody said you're debating George pal he's an imbecile and I didn't know if I could use those words until after I met the man but but I have to say that out of all the things that happen you know I was criticizing God and the morality of the Catholic Church he really didn't like it when I mentioned things about Mother Teresa but I think what bothered him the most was being treated as an equal he called me Dan and I call him George his Eminence the most high card and all these honorifics the title of our debate was without God we are nothing and I thought of saying to him George maybe it's true that without God you are nothing because what does he have did any woman vote for him for those titles of his did how many people voted for him to be Cardinal you know not very many this isn't just the Pope that appoints him so all these titles all these Roman costumes that he gets to wear all that stuff would vanish without faith without religion five or six years ago if I wanted to buy a book about atheism in my local bookstore in Madison Wisconsin where would I look where would you go to find a book about atheism maybe yeah true you go to the religion and maybe philosophy and you poke around oh there's one and maybe there's but today I can go into the Borders bookstore Madison Wisconsin and there's an entire shelf with the word atheism on it with about 20 or 25 titles including Dawkins and Hitchens and Harris and Dennett and all the big heavy hitters and a lot of other wonderful books written by a lot of people whom we've had the pleasure of interviewing on our radio show free thought radio and I understand some of you listen on podcast down here so I think that was a I'll have to tell Annie Laurie to be careful what we say about coffees on on the show but I had a book in 1992 losing faith in faith that tells my story from feature to atheist no publisher wanted it no distributor wanted it so we've been selling it just through our organization an in-house thing we publish it ourselves we sell it ourselves we put it online in it and it's done okay over the years but a couple years ago a publisher came to me wanting to get on this wave I guess a polytheist popularity isn't it nice when the publisher comes to you and said could you could you bring up-to-date your book about your story because a lot must have happened in 16 years so I did is called godless how an evangelical preacher became one of America's leading atheists and there was some mix-up about the book signing so there's only one copy in the room and this is it first maybe what I could do is get all your names and I'll sign all of them on this but it was a real pleasure that Richard Dawkins agreed to write the foreword to the book and he says that and I agree with him there's a lot of wonderful writing and analysis of religion from the outside in but rare to find something from the inside out to find someone who's been there and some of you in this audience were like me weren't you you were true believers you prayed you felt the Spirit of God and all of that and then you came out on your own and how did you do that and I'm going to tell you briefly how I did that but in the wonderful forward the Richard wrote he says cut it repeated there and you tell me if this is a dan Barker is the most eloquent witness of internal delusion that I know a triumphantly smiling refugee from the zany surreal world of American fundamentalist Protestantism dan was not just a preacher he was the kind of preacher you would not want to sit next to on a bus and that's true I was that guy have you seen that guy around ever out on the street corners on the on the park benches knocking on doors I was that guy I knocked on doors I said I thought the world was ending any minute and you didn't know it you poor lost blind even's you didn't know it but you were secretly starving for the wonderful message that I had that I was in it was your lucky day when God directed you to sit next to me on the bus really after a little bit of talking a chitchat I would look over at you and say excuse me for saying this but I can see that you really have some deep struggles in your life don't you how does he know I got to tell you that the tactics of evangelism are crude and simple and transparent and embarrassing but they work if you wanted to be an evangelist just do it if you want to be a missionary just do it it works there's all these people out there that are susceptible and gullible and wandering and they see somebody like me who's confident I know what I'm talking about I have answers and I'm religious most people go oh maybe I don't have the answers maybe he does I would look over at you and say you know you're struggling with a personal relationship in your life right now how does he know and I know I used to feel the same way you do and you're wondering about what's it all about why are you here what's the meaning of life what happens after we die what is your purpose where do you fit in how do you make sense of it all I used to feel that way like a ship without a rudder and you are you just trying to go day to day well I felt that way too but I have an answer and the answer is Jesus thanks for laughing but but most people don't I rarely had any door slammed in my face I rarely had anybody come back at me with any informed criticism where were you guys I could have used a little bit of that maybe I didn't meet some atheist but you just kept your mouth shut out of respect right well don't do that I just I don't mean you should be disrespectful but say something if nothing else say I respect your opinion but I disagree if nothing else say that so that I would know it that we would know that there is disagreement out there you don't have to get in a big long fight in fact sometimes it's better not to right but just let it be known now where you're Richard Dawkins foundation a pin everywhere you go and people will ask someone finally asked me what it meant it was one of the guards at the Canadian and Toronto at the airport in Canada what is that a for and I said it's for atheism and she went oh that was it but I mean that was you know that was better than nothing a little I guess maybe once an evangelist always an evangelist when I was 15 years old I was sitting in a church meeting with an altar call and a call to the ministry it was a charismatic church and I was feeling the spirit I'd already been born-again I'd already prayed to Jesus to to forgive me of my sins and to make me born-again all that but what if what am I going to do with my life you know what am what am I trying to you know what do I want and there's the verse they preach to go into the whole world and preach the gospel to every creature and I thought yes that's what I want to do that's where I'm going to fit in and I felt this amazing thing inside and I prayed in tongues and I can still pray in time exactly and I won't do it here but I am it's embarrassing but but you know what it works I can still pray in tongues right now and every once in a while every year twelve go I'll try it just to see you know it doesn't wear off and as an atheist I will close my eyes and I will get goosebumps I will feel this presence in my it's like a father figure right here talking to my brain it will be like this peace that passes understanding this sort of integration and inner joy that almost brings tears to my eyes and it's a very real thing that happens with some people that are on this end of the bell curve of susceptibility to mysticism some of you don't know what the heck I'm talking about right some of you went to church and you're looking around going huh whoa but some of you know what I'm talking about we were over here on this end of things and I wasn't psychotic I wasn't hearing actual voices I wasn't insane I was a smart guy I wasn't crazy I was deluded it really is a delusion but it wasn't that I had lost my sense of anything but this thing happened in the brain and I accepted what I was convinced it was a call to the ministry and I started preaching when I was 15 and I carried my Bible to school I was instrumental in my Spanish agnostic high school teacher becoming a born-again Christian and he and I started a club where we were ministering to others I went down into Mexico I went on missionary trips and evangelical trips I started playing the piano in churches and I got to tell you wonder there's a non-fire talented young person in any in any religion they put them up front right they want their young people up there to try to encourage others to join so I was always out almost every night of the week preaching and I wasn't very sophisticated at first but you know out of the mouths of babes you know preaching the gospel I became the choir librarian for Kathryn Kuhlman who was one of these big American faith healer kind of tent revival faith healers who was very popular for a long time and I sat right by her like on the stage I was about six or eight feet behind while she was doing her faith healings and people were throwing away their crutches and people were crying it it's in the name of Jesus you are healed and people who yes I didn't know that a lot of them went home died the next week I didn't know that but but I had seen a miracle right and who could possibly deny the power of the miracle I considered it so lucky that I was born into the right family in the right country in the right religion at the right time of history because Jesus is coming any minute and I get to be a soldier on the front line of that army at that last time it think of that a meaning it gave to my life think how how it made me feel special of course I always said I was humble and he was everything but I got to go out and do all these things and I saw a lot of success maybe a little bit due to my talents but I think a lot due to just the gullibility of people that come to church they want to hear things like that I went to Azusa Pacific University I got a degree in religion I you know I got A's and all that but I didn't care about that stuff I wanted to be out on the street preaching I thought one more day Jesus is going to come in and I got to preach one more sermon to get the souls and before I didn't think I was going to live long enough to graduate from college or get married or when I was in college Hal Lindsey the author of that prophetic book the late great planet Earth and I think he's still on TV isn't he doing his thing he assured us in about 1970 that the second coming of Jesus could not possibly be any later than the mid-1980s and I remember thinking that late I have to wait until the mid nineteen eighty before Jesus comes again I did graduate I got what amounted to a minor in Greek so I could kind of impress simplistic people with a little bit of Greek that you know but I was no great scholar and I became an associate pastor of three different churches one was a friend's church in California which is sort of the West Coast Quakers a little more evangelical Richard Nixon came out of that tradition and did him a lot of good then I went back into more of my my dad's sort of background into charismatic into I went into an Assembly of God Church which are Pentecostal and I liked that I'm glad I was with that church for a year and a half they were very sincere very sweet kind of simple people very emotional but way too noisy for my tastes I got to tell you if you have any of you ever been to those meetings where there's all of the slain and the spirit and the speaking in tongues in the hallelujah and women are shaken on the ground and you wonder what they're shaken from on the ground there but their hands raised and faith healings and I participated in some faiths healings and boy I got to tell you if if any one of you had come up to me back then and started to question what I believed I would just sort of smile shake my head and say you don't know you don't know what I have you can you can criticize all you want but you're the one who has the problem not me I have this presence of Jesus and it's real and it's powerful I used to preach that you don't need those feelings to be saved but I was one of those people that had those those feelings and I got to tell you if you believe in this deity already then you have those feelings on top of that it's such an affirmation it's just such a you know it's a gestalt thing that happens like yes it has to be true I served about two years in Mexico as a missionary trying to convert Catholics into Christians and now I think about the arrogance of us American Protestant missionaries treating this poor lost country below the border as this dark mission field that needed our help right I wish I could go back there and apologize well I did meet some Mexican humanists once and I had formally apologized to them and they took it so I I feel like that they took my confession basically but one of the churches I was at then sent me out as a cross-country evangelist I spent eight years traveling the country thinking any minute Jesus is going to come again any minute and we lived by faith and do you know what that means to live by faith it doesn't mean just to have faith it means to live every day by faith we had all our stuff is in storage I was married we were having little babies by then and no income no contracts no no health insurance just no money traveling from church to church hoping to collect enough of a love offering we didn't even charge hoping there was enough cash in the envelope to get to the next church before Jesus came again that was that kind of thing I did that for like eight years and a week of meetings fell through I wrote a musical that I thought the children could perform back in California but a Christian publisher snapped it up it was called mary had a little lamb it's for Christmas now don't laugh those of you who have deep theological understanding will get this Mary's the mother of Jesus Jesus is the Lamb of God get it okay and that musical became a best-seller for that company was man of music to my surprise and I thought it was the work of God see God was blessing my ministry and they asked for a follow-up so I wrote one for Easter and you know the title of that was his fleece was white as snow because the final Passover sacrifice Jesus was this type of the final Passover sacrifice and his depth would be the final sacrifice for the death for the sins of humanity but you had to bring the cleanest purest unblemished animal so his fleece was white as snow so that also was a best-seller for that company for a while and what happened was kind of interesting in my mid-20s then my ministry started to shift and Jesus kept on not coming again you know every every day I wake up oh is another day and I started getting invitations to preach and perform like a guest conductor to do like preaching piano you know kind of a musical preaching mixed together I started getting invited by churches that were not always as fundamentalists as I thought they should be that there's a huge cross-section of Christianity and for about seven or eight of those years that I was going across country I was talking to pastors all over the continent in the United States and Canada and Mexico and I was shocked at some of the theology of some of these other Christian denominations and there is no one Christianity I realized there's probably as many Christianity's as there are Christians and as I started talking to some of these more moderate ministers I was surprised that they would think that Adam and Eve were not actually historical people and I thought how can you let them be members of your church if they don't believe that and it started a process in my own mind of looking not at atheism if you raise the way I was you don't just wake up one morning and go oh ha ha silly me there's no God how could I have been so stupid I'm sorry you don't do that with me it was this arduous process it was a gradual thing starting with meeting these these other flavors of Christians and what happened was one of these early ministers told me one of these ministers in the early part of that period told me that he thought Adam and Eve were historical but some of the members of his church thought maybe they were metaphors that just like Jesus made up a story like the prodigal son he made up parables right and it didn't matter if they were true they were just parables that had an underlying moral message to them so the is early Israelites could have made up this parable about the early formation of the world and the human race and it doesn't matter if Adam and Eve were true it's the moral tale that matters by the way if you look up the word fable in the dictionary it's described as a moral tale usually involving talking animals look it up and I was shocked by that kind of talk I thought wait this is heretical because Genesis doesn't say it's a parable Adam and Eve really existed 6,000 years ago whenever that was maybe maybe I would was generous enough to say it might be 10,000 years but somewhere in there six to ten thousand years and what happened in my mind was I didn't jettison Adam and Eve what I did was I thought okay these people believe a little differently than I do but that should not stop me from fellowshipping with these Christians who have a slightly different theology for me now you might think that's silly you might think big deal right but to me that was a huge leap to make it was psychologically and if I can borrow that word spiritually even quite traumatic to do that because I was giving up something if you're talking with a fundamentalist Christian like I used to be keep something in mind have you ever talked with a fundamentalist and you wonder if you're talking the same language well I'll tell you why and not all Christians are like this so I don't to be accused of painting them all with the same brush many of them are moderate liberals and smarter and better than I was but I was this fundamentalist Bible believing the Bible is inerrant it is true the fundamentalist mindset is a binary brain there's a verse in the Bible where Jesus said I would that you would be cold or hot because if you lukewarm I'll spit you out of my mouth to us fundamentalist there is no gray area to a fundamentalist there is no middle ground it's either cold or hot right or wrong good or evil yes or no and if you are talking with the fundamentalist using terms that are relativistic or situational or counterfactual or conditional you know which which is how we live our lives right we live our lives in the gray area but if you're talking to a fundamentalist with those great great herbs in their mind it translates to black it can't be gray it has to be one or the other the I'm talking about the extreme fundamentalists and that's the kind of person I was I was really insecure about not having an answer I was very you know God is the God of the universe and he created us on he's given us these clear words to live by so it is the truth and or this is absolutely wrong it's absolutely right so when I said that I could still fellowship with other Christians who might have a slightly different theology from me that was allowing a little bit of gray area that was a little nudge towards tolerance a little nudge away from having to be the guy who's always right you know what I mean and it toward the end of this process that I went through it took four or five years I started to get embarrassed that I thought I was that guy who was always right who had or else if I didn't know the answer that God had all the answers it was sort of a humbling that is what happened and later I got to thinking well you know after centuries a religious division and fights and Wars and killings and doctrinal differences I'm the guy who has it all figured out I'm the man I've you know they every denomination castas continuum you know there's thousands of them Christian sects every one of them can open the Bible and they can prove to you here to read what it says in the Bible here look at this ours is the right one and the rest are kind of off right they can all do that those of you who are raised in a religion couldn't your church do that you could open the vial if you just read it right we have the truth and the others it might be a little bit off or they might be heretic oliva nor might be not even christians it seems silly to you and me but john calvin had his friend and co reformer michael servetus in the 16th century burned at the stake and you want to know what the argument was listen to this here's two different sentences and you tell me the difference John Calvin said Jesus is the eternal son of God but Michael Servetus his equally anti-catholic pro reformer Protestant friend said no no John Jesus is the son of the eternal God do you see it that got him killed he got killed there's a wonderful book out of the flamed into some other books about that story and Calvin could have stopped it but at the very answer Vedas as he was dying they used Greenwood so that it would the death would take longer he screamed out Jesus have mercy on my soul thou son of the eternal God right and Calvin knew exactly what he was saying when he said that so he slammed the window and let him die little things like that you know doctrinal things Calvin didn't want his authority questioned you know he questioned the horrible crimes of the Catholic Church but then he turned right around when he got power look what he did with it well every denomination within Christianity can point to their truth and everybody else is kind of off and I started seeing that as I was getting invited to all these different churches across this continuum of Christian theology and Paul in the Bible wrote God is not the author of confusion but can you think of a single book that's caused more confusion than the Bible and I realized that you know do I have to be right and these people that I met who were more moderate they weren't they had people they were had good families they were moral people and most Christians are moral people most Muslims are I've done five debates with Muslim scholars so far and I'm really impressed with their integrity and the kindness of the people and what happened was that it started a process in my mind and I'm smart and I kind of delayed my education if I had gone to a real liberal arts college you know maybe what had happened earlier I started finding myself hungry to learn to figure it out so I'm preaching about the evils of humanism but I didn't know what humanism was I just knew it was evil I started reading some things and about around about the age thirty I thought maybe I should learn a little bit about science and maybe a little philosophy and maybe read some history you know maybe instead of just preaching the end of the world my sermon started to change from less Hellfire to more love I became a little more of a moderate less preparing for the afterlife and more how to live our daily lives now it was this kind of standard fare and most mainstream Christian churches how do we live our lives and deal with each other in the afterlife you know is a thief in the night so and I remember once I was preaching at a church in East Los Angeles and I wish I'd had a camera the whole platform this pulpit and the platform there's a huge wooden painted sign above it that says Jesus is coming soon it was that kind of a church and I noticed that behind it the paint was peeling and there were cobwebs off wouldn't that have been a photographer's dream to get that yeah but Jesus wasn't coming soon eventually as I moved across the spectrum of kind of growing up organically on my own nobody was preaching at me there were no atheist evangelists on TV when was the last time an atheist knocked on your front door right nobody handed me literature on a street corner I didn't read any atheist books it was just me and my thoughts thinking about it wondering and analyzing it and eventually moved clear across that spectrum where I realized you know if the prodigal son is a parable and if Adam and Eve are a metaphor then maybe God Himself is just one huge figure of speech maybe the whole thing is just one in why not if you're going to say there's metaphor in the Bible where do you draw that line so I popped all the way across and I'm making a very long story very very short here but I finally popped all the way across in the summer of 1983 I realized I I don't have any reason to believe any of this stuff I loved it I I was good at it I realized that there's no evidence for God there's no good arguments for God there's no coherent definition of a God there's there's no good replies to the arguments against a God there's a there's no need for a God I realized all that and I became this sort of secret baby atheist in my own mind and by the way I know some other clergy who are preaching in the pulpit right now who are atheists and can't tell anybody I get emails from them and they use pseudonyms and by the way Daniel Dennett is working on an article exactly about that clerk atheists in the clergy who can't leave yet for one reason another and some of them are torturing themselves and I went through a period of four or five months of hypocrisy where I kept preaching I knew I didn't believe it but how do you stop on a dime you know I had a calendar with invitations to preach and I wasn't making a lot of money but it was still a life and I tell in the book about the very last time I did a sermon music up at a church in Auburn California where they told me before the meeting that they were really happy because Harry was going to be there and I said who's Harry he said Harry's the town atheist and you know you know the story of Pagliacci he has to go up and perform alright he has to pretend like he's happy when his heart's broken everybody said Harry Harry Harry just got remarried and his young new wife became born-again and she said Harry you like music so come to church it's just going to be mostly music and everybody said we love Harry he's a great guy he's a respected businessman in town he'd give you the shirt off his back everybody loves Harry but he's not saved he's an atheist and I got to tell you that was one of the hardest things in my entire life to go up on that stage and sing the I almost stopped right in the middle and said this is crap you know what would I have done you know they hadn't yet given me my plane ticket home or anything you know what I just kind of walked out into the night what would I done you know I just I just like forced to myself I just I just said I can do this is show business I can do this right and after the meeting we went over to the pastor's house this was December and I was sitting by the Christmas tree and there were some people invited including Harry whom I really couldn't even look at him just it was the first actual atheist you know I you know but I didn't even really I didn't even talk to him I just sort of sat across the room and the minister said isn't it wonderful that we can all come together to celebrate the birth of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and this voice across the room said not all of us and I thought wow those few little words that he said we're much more sincere than all these hymns and sermons I had heard through my whole life a real human being unafraid to be different speaking out not fearful you know the community treating this guy like he has this disease or something there's something wrong but he seemed happy so I vowed I would never do it again and I never did preach again I went home and wrote a letter to all my friends and relatives and said I'm not well you can invite me to preach if you want but it's going to be a different sermon now that was January of 1984 and as I said the first time I actually knowingly met and talked with any other atheist was when the Oprah Winfrey Show people called about nine months later and I met an Gayler and Annie Laurie Gaylor who were on that show as well in fact we have a videotape of the day we met which is kind of cool we showed our daughter because Annie Laurie and I got married a few years later and I could see that how nervous I was to be in front of a hostile audience of preaching in yet how relaxed I was that I finally found something worth talking about so that's um so that's a nutshell version of the story and I think we might have time for a couple of questions who's going to do that Oh okay people questions let me see okay let's start from the top up there please hi Don I'm wondering how do you talk to Christians without coming across as like you're talking down to him even if you you disagree up their ideas and you think they're not as developed intellectually as you should be I know I've caught let's be honest we think we're smarter than other people how do you get rid of resistance if you want to persuade them of another point of view or open their minds when have a point of view even if they don't change we can't assume that we're smarter than them a lot of them are extremely brilliant well I was one and I was smart I took some IQ tests that even surprised me you know and so it wasn't that I was dumb or stupid or unable to think I think your point is that how do we dialogue with without disrespect and the way to do it is to respect them and honor the reasons why they believe why are you believing these things if you had said to me dan I can understand your feelings yes those are very real those fears you have that you know your culture your all those things and let's look at that and instead of putting me down building up the person everybody want nobody wants to be ridiculed right everybody wants to feel respected and honored I think there can be a small place for ridicule in the Atheist movement as long as that's not all we're doing I mean the people who come to your front door maybe deserve some ridicule but and there's some people that maybe we know it's a waste of time just to spend with them but in general if you would talk to me as a human being that you respect and you you knew what I was feeling and going through two things you could have said to me back then and this doesn't apply to all Christians it applies to fundamentalist the Bible is was very important to fundamentalist if you would come back with a couple of examples of what's wrong with the Bible Bible verses are that now I'm not suggesting you'll have to become Bible scholars but all of you can learn a handful of things that you can say the contradiction between the birth narratives of Matthew and Luke for example is a real good one pointed out to them and the second thing you could have done to make an impression on me I wouldn't have converted right there but morality showing that non-believers put the light of the claim from the pulpit that only God can make you good as Peter was saying this morning you know that the statistics I'll show that there's no need for a God to be a good moral person and if you could show that that you are contributing to charity you're working in volunteer work or whatever you're doing contributing to the Richard Dawkins what is it called a non relief non-belief relief or whatever that also impressed people like me there are other arguments of course but for a fundamentalist the Bible and morality are big issues we have time for one more question down the front hi time thank you very much for for sharing your experience it's been really interesting for me because I also was a born-again Christian one thing I found very difficult as the Christians almost universally refused to accept when you say you're an atheist that you ever we're actually saved I just went on how do you cope with that yeah and I go to great lengths in this book to show that if I was not a true believer then nobody is because doesn't the Bible say you shall know them by their fruits it doesn't matter what people think or say you shall know them by their life and I showed that my life had the fruits of the Christian life and who are they then to judge whether I was or was not a true believer a lot of them might say we talk about Hitler and Stalin you know that Hitler wasn't a true Christian wouldn't it be just a silly for me to say oh well then Stalin wasn't a true atheist right but if you use the talk like I've been using I've confessed my sins I believe in Jesus I felt the spirit I saw I saw what I were convinced we're miracles and answers to prayer and all of that firm to them what they believe right affirm it back to them yes I know how you feel I felt the same thing and it's wonderful and this and you know we're all different of course but for me it was just a wonderful pause the thing so you're wrong to suggest that I was not a true believer or that you are not equally open to having your mind changed someday as well you you

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