Critical Race Theory vs. Christianity

it seems to me that if we're going to group people like this and treat people according to their group without any reference to their behavior that is racism sexism and bigotry itself that's what we're trying to get away from right but this idea that there are these two groups and we must treat people based on where they are in the group is exactly what we want to avoid this is what we're trying to get away from we're trying to treat people as individuals not by the group they're in [Music] [Applause] ladies and gentlemen how many of you were in church this morning or were somewhere else at the time all right how many of you are here right now how many don't respond to surveys four out of ten don't respond to surveys reuben critical race theory in order to cover this topic properly i want to take us back for a minute to december 26th 1945. it is world war ii and the americans are fighting a battle on both fronts they're fighting the nazis closing in on berlin and they're also fighting the japanese trying to make it to tokyo and in order to make it to tokyo they have to go through certain islands this man is hiro onada on december 26 1945 he's dropped off on an island in the philippines called blue bang island to the southeast of manila he and three other japanese soldiers are told to go there and conduct guerrilla attacks on american and filipino forces because they couldn't take on the americans at that point head to head they could only do it via guerrilla tactics so his commanding officer says hero you take these three men go into the jungle keep conducting the attacks i will come back and tell you when to stop so hiro and his men go into the jungle and they begin conducting attacks well about nine months later as you know september 2nd 1945 the war is over but hiro and his men are still on the lubang island in the jungle still conducting attacks so in october of that year the allies begin dumping leaflets into the lubang jungle saying hero and your men the war is over come home hero had been trained in propaganda and he thought this was propaganda so then they dropped in newspapers from japan saying the war is over they also dropped in letters from hiro's family and his colleagues family saying come home surrender war is over and hiro said there is no way this war is over because 100 million dead was on the lips of every japanese person we were going to fight and never surrender the only way we could have lost this war is if every japanese person on the island of japan had been killed and i don't think that's happened so this war is not over in fact to show you the kind of devotion the japanese had to their cause hiro's mother gave him a dagger before he went off to war and said if you're ever caught kill yourself with this dagger now can you imagine an american mother giving a dagger to her son saying hey if you ever caught kill yourself with this thanks mom it's a beautiful ivory handle no that's not gonna happen in america they were devoted to the cause in fact they thought the emperor was god a divine figure so hero's commanding officer represented god and so did he he's not given up so he and his men stay in the jungle through the 1940s they stay in the jungle through the 1950s they stay in the jungle through the 1960s it's not until 1974 when hiro's the only one left his other three colleagues had either died or given up that a japanese tourist from japan goes to the lubang island looking for the legend known as onada he goes into the jungle wearing black socks and sandals hero sees him he's about to shoot him when he says only a true japanese would wear black socks and sandals this guy must really be a japanese citizen so he goes up to him he says what do you want suzuki says hiro war is over it ended 29 years ago come home hiro said i will not give up until my commanding officer tells me to give up because that's what he told me to do he said keep conducting these attacks keep conducting the war until i come back and tell you it's over so suzuki goes back to japan he tells the japanese government and the japanese government goes and finds suzuki i mean heroes commanding officer by this time he's a bookseller in japan he said he's a businessman they put him on a fl a plane they fly him to lubang island he goes into the jungle and he says hero i'm your commanding officer stand down war is over so on march 7th 1974 hiro nada walks out of the lubang island jungle still wearing his uniform he's 51 years old it's a little bit tattered he has 500 rounds of ammunition several grenades a working rifle and his ceremonial sword is polished in good shape two days later he hands the sword to ferdinand marcos the president of the philippines who pardons him for the 30 or so murders which he did no were murders over the previous 29 years he had conducted against the filipinos in the philippines he would not disobey his commanding officer he thought his commanding officer represented god now here's my question ladies and gentlemen who is your commanding officer who is it it's jesus oh it's jesus i hear i'm glad i'm here and it's jesus well why do i see so many christians claiming to disagree with jesus then has jesus told you to stop being a christian because it got difficult has jesus told you that you ought not stand for truth because you might become unpopular if you do as jesus said occupy till i come unless they unfriend you on facebook no you know why a lot of christians are caving first of all i'm asking why do christians disagree with jesus i think i know why it goes back to pilate remember when pilate had jesus standing before the jews who wanted to crucify him here's what pilate said what shall i do then with the one you call the king of the jews pilate asked them crucify him they shouted now pilate's trying to be reasonable so he asks the question why what crime is he committed do they give a rational answer no they just shout all the louder crucify him now here's the key phrase wanting to satisfy the crowd wanting to satisfy the crowd pilate released barabbas to them he had jesus flogged and then handed him over to be crucified wanting to satisfy the crowd ladies and gentlemen are you trying to satisfy the crowd because if you're trying to satisfy the crowd you're not going to be a christian very long christianity's becoming increasingly unpopular but that doesn't make it any less true the way is narrow jesus said if they persecuted me they're going to persecute you paul said anyone who lives a faithful life in christ jesus will be persecuted so i say all that because at least for me anyway i hope my commanding officer is jesus and i'm going to obey him not any cultural fad or cultural philosophy for those of you in the service this morning we read from colossians chapter 2 don't let anyone lead you astray with some hollow or deceptive philosophy that comes from the traditions of men not from god so in order to talk about this difficult issue i just want to let you know where my allegiance is hopefully i'll deal with it under pressure whenever somebody says what would you do if they put a gun to your head and said and say renounce christ what would you do you know what my answer is i don't know and neither do you peter thought he knew didn't he lord i'll never deny you denies him three times before the night's up but at least my intention i hope your intention is is to follow jesus not the latest cultural fad so with that being said let me point out that the race issue is a very difficult issue for anyone to discuss why because if you emphasize it too much you become a racist if you emphasize it too little you're allowing racism to continue you see it's a very delicate issue and we all know that our country has had a terrible history of racism however let me also say it's not our country that invented slavery virtually every country had slavery yes it is true whites were slaves because the northern africans mostly muslims around the time of thomas jefferson took over a million white slaves to northern africa and many people don't recognize that there have been slaves of all different races and let me stay up front there's only one race the human race but there have been slaves of all different ethnic groups we could all go back in our history and say we were treated unfairly that's true but in this country blacks have been treated unfairly very much tragically to the point of even death in our history and we need to teach that we need to let people know about that in fact most people most people's historical perspective unfortunately in our culture is the first page of a google search right we don't know history very very much but in our country we had what was known as jim crow laws now jim crow was a character that they claimed to be a trickster and somehow this character in the 1800s became synonymous with laws that were put into place after slavery was abolished after the civil war we went to war over slavery but then there were these laws that they called jim crow laws which disadvantaged blacks and you remember i mean this is a this is as late as the early 1960s you had signs like this get to the back of the bus does anyone ever hear the name emmett till for those of you that don't know emmett till was a 14 year old black boy who lived in chicago and his mother i think had a cousin or something down in mississippi and so she sent her son down there for a summer vacation with his cousins uh emmett had allegedly bragged to his cousins that he had a white girlfriend in chicago well this was apparently a no-no in mississippi and at one point he was in a grocery store and there was a married white clerk at the counter and stories vary but allegedly he flirted with her and then went back to his cousin's house didn't think anything of it three nights later he was taken out of his uncle's house at gunpoint and brutally murdered his body was found in a river with some kind of gin device around his neck and barbed wire they beat him so badly that he was unrecognizable now the sheriff took emmett's body put it in a coffin sealed it and sent it to his mother in chicago his mother opened the casket and said we're going to have an open casket funeral because i want them to see what they did to my baby and so this picture was in jet magazine in 1955. in this picture more than anything else brought along the civil rights legislation of 1963. it wasn't an argument that won the day it was an image that people immediately recognize this is horrific this needs to stop and so they had the open funeral in 1963 martin luther king who was a baptist preacher as you know went to the mall in washington dc and gave this memorable i have a dream speech in which he said i have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character this is biblical this is the ideal and the civil rights legislation was passed in 1965 i'm sorry 1964. tragically martin luther king was gunned down in april of 1966. i think was it 66 or 68 66 was it 66 is it 68 i'm getting those numbers backwards okay in memphis tennessee now with that background i want to talk about social justice and critical theory we're going to try and do this in three steps first thing what does the culture mean by social justice secondly what are the fundamentals of critical theory and we're going to talk about the positives and the negatives and then we're going to talk about does this line up with biblical christianity now for those of you that may know our website or our youtube channel this is not a topic i talk about a lot okay this is not my field i'm not an expert on it there may be questions i don't know the answer to but i have done a fair amount of reading on it and i have done a couple of tv actually three tv shows on it for our tv jesus versus the culture series okay um i will tell you where i'm getting a lot of this information before i do these are the books i normally talk about i don't have enough faith to be an atheist stealing from god correct not politically correct they're on the book table about back there and my goal is to try and show people why christianity is true because if people are open to christianity and they realize it's true all these other problems eventually go away and you'll see why as we go further if you want to get a a powerpoint presentation of why christianity is true just type the word evidence text the word evidence i should say to 44222 i'll put that up later if you do decide to get a book or a dvd set i want to point out that all the proceeds from the sale of the books and the dvds will go to feed needy children mine just so you know i got three sons so i need some help actually they're a little bit older now uh i was in the navy for eight years i grew up in neptune new jersey right down the down the road here that's right that's right and i went to university of rochester went through navy rotc went right into the navy after college and uh then went to seminary after the navy and my sons and three sons my wife and i have three sons and they were interested in the military coming out of high school and they said we want to go to college and then go in the military what should we do dad what military should we go in and i said well look if you want to fight go navy okay because wherever there's a problem we just pull our aircraft carrier up and we take care of it okay don't don't need bases none of that we bring our own base the problem is navy stands for never again volunteer yourself okay so i said if you want to fight go navy if you want a nice life go air force so they went air force the oldest son is an intelligence officer and his wife who's also in the air force is an intelligence officer too sir they're brilliant together and uh and they're reading your email right now by the way the second son is a kc-10 pilot you guys know what a kc-10 is a kc 10 is a big plane that refuels other planes in flight right you've seen the planes they're flying along they got the boom coming out of the back and the other planes in flight come up and get gas from them so we say about our middle son spencer is that every day he flies up to 30 000 feet he sits around and he passes gas and he gets paid for it this is every man's dream if i got paid to pass gas i'd be a multi-millionaire already the third son is not in the military but he is out of the house so my wife and i are now empty nesters any empty nesters in here oh yeah it's great isn't it well actually it took us a while to get used to that about 10 minutes that's how long it took to change the locks all right we love our kids but they're mess we've got one grandson now too problem is he lives in oklahoma we live in we live in charlotte north carolina now anyway i'm not going to be quoting a lot of original sources here because we don't have time as i say we did three hours on this and we only have i want to keep this short so we can have q a but a lot of where i'm getting this from is from this guy neil shenvy shenvyapologetics.com and he has written a lot on this issue and if you go to his website you can find all the original sources with regard to critical theory and you can see if he gives it a fair shot or not all right i'm just going to cover the surface of this and you can go a lot deeper by going to this website shenvyapologetics.com all right so what we're going to do here is start at 0.1 what does the culture mean by social justice you guys ready to go all right what is justice and social justice justice normally means individuals getting what they deserve an impartial and fair application of the law right you get what you deserve by the way there's a difference between justice mercy and grace none of us should demand justice why not from god anyway why because then we're going to get what we deserve and we don't we don't want that mercy is not getting what you deserve and grace is getting what you don't deserve and none of us deserve grace it's a gift we're all sinners right anyway this is what you think of justice normally when i think of justice social justice might be something like taking action to care for the poor orphans widows unborn in fact this was actually this this phrase was coined by a catholic priest a couple of centuries ago social justice let's make sure that we're involved in the community and make sure we care for the people that need to be cared for and the bible talks a fair amount about this as you know okay or it could mean oppressed groups must be liberated now this unfortunately is what the meaning is for many people today not that we shouldn't liberate oppressed groups but the idea that we're caring for poor and the orphans and this is sort of subsumed by this that's why the people who really study this say if you want to be clear don't use the phrase social justice because it means too many different things to too many different people define what you mean by it in fact oppressed groups must be liberated might mean that we're going to take from the haves and give to the have nots by law do you realize that so much of what you hear in the media is actually sounding good even though the real meaning behind what they're promoting isn't good if you we talked about this this morning for those who were in church for those who weren't in church where were you we talked about how satan comes as an angel of light that if you want to pass off something bad as good give it a good name call it the equality act it sounds so good who could be against equality call it choice who could be against choice everybody's for choice call it justice we're all for justice call it fairness who's not for fairness but when you really drill down as to what they're promoting it's not just it's not fair it's not equality and it's not a choice we should make so this is a pretty good book on this topic by scott david allen why social justice is not biblical justice here's the way he puts it deacons this is social justice today secular social justice deconstructing traditional systems and structures deemed to be oppressive and redistributing power and resources from oppressors to their victims in the pursuit of equality of outcome have you heard of this equality normally meant equality of opportunity for example prior to 1964 blacks and other minorities did not have equality of opportunity because there were jim crow laws in place to keep that down now at least on paper anyway those laws were done away with in 1964 and so we had a quality of opportunity but that did not mean equality of outcome in fact the word it is now used for equality of outcome is a word called equity have you heard this equity what about equity equity is everybody should wind up in the same place with the same stuff regardless of behavior now ladies and gentlemen equity has never happened in the history of the world it's never going to happen in the future of the world it's not even going to happen in heaven you say what do you mean it's not going to happen in heaven everyone's going to get into heaven based on grace but you're going to get different rewards or rewards taken away from you based on negative behavior right you get into heaven based on grace but you're judged in heaven based on your works and thankfully people like the apostle paul will get more works than the guard or more rewards in the garden variety christian because it's just he should think of the parable of the talents what does jesus do he get he talks about the parable you know the story right he gives uh he gives uh five to one two to another and one to the third and to the five who goes out and multiplies them he commands to the two same to the one who hit it he says i'm gonna take your talent and give it to the one that has more that's the opposite of equity friends that's justice we're gonna get justice in heaven based on our works and there are a thousand different reasons why people come to different outcomes in fact let me guys let me ask you guys a question in here how many people have a brother or sister okay adult brother or sister let me ask you a question does your adult brother or sister is he or she in the exact place you are in terms of finances in terms of relationships in terms of spiritual growth in terms of health inter no if you're not going to get equity of outcome from people born to the same parents under the same roof how are you going to expect to get equity of outcome from people from different parents under different roofs you're not because there are so many choices that are made there are so many motivations that some have that others don't there are so many other factors that go into where you wind up in life and it has nothing to do with discrimination i'm not saying discrimination doesn't occur hasn't occurred i'm not saying that the idea however that that that uh differences of outcome are all due to discrimination is demonstrably false and ibrahim kennedy may have heard that name who's a race scholar up in boston said that all disparities between the ethnic groups between the races a hundred percent of them are due to discrimination that is the most illogical statement that he probably has ever made some might be because of discrimination but certainly not all right because people make different decisions they have different talents they have different gifts they have different interests different motivations maybe different breaks in life you're never going to get equal outcome we're looking for equal opportunity equal opportunity under the law not equal outcome by the law now let's unpack this oppressive oppressor thing for a minute this in my view is the key to this kind of approach or this is the poison pill of critical theory and when i say critical theory i don't just mean critical race theory critical theory is is a idea that includes critical race theory but it's also critical queer theory and there's critical uh pedagogy theory and there's there's all sorts of critical theories it's not just race theory and what they say is the world is divided up into the oppressed and the oppressor this comes from marx as you know and here are all of the people who are oppressed peoples of color poor middle class women trans lgb non-christians disabled immigrants and indigenous people and this by the way this is from a book on critical race theory okay or critical theory now who would be the oppressor of these people well whites are oppressors owning class are oppressors men are oppressors of women and trans heterosexuals are oppressors of lgb christians are oppressors of non-christians i wonder if that's true in saudi arabia you think it is no okay abled are oppressors of disabled citizens are oppressors of immigrants this is why people don't want to have border security you see how all this goes together and white settlers are the oppressors of indigenous people it seems to me that if we're going to group people like this and treat people according to their group without any reference to their behavior that is racism sexism and bigotry itself that's what we're trying to get away from right aren't we trying to get away from this don't we want to treat people based on the content of their character not the group they're in this for me and this we'll see here in just a minute is called intersectionality we'll get to it in more detail but this idea that there are these two groups and we must treat people based on where they are in the group is exactly what we want to avoid this is what we're trying to get away from we're trying to treat people as individuals not by the group they're in so what does the culture mean by social justice it means that we got to take from these people and give to these people we've got to take power this is a power play by the way take power away from anybody over here and give it to these people that's why in fact some of you may have been sitting in here when i first got up and you probably thought what how what how can a white guy talk about critical race theory if you're if you thought that for even a split second you've already bought into critical race theory because arguments don't have race arguments don't have ethnicity but this theory says that these people since they have an oppressed experience ought to be listened to and they carry more gravitas with them than these people don't listen to these people only listen to these people so second point what are the fundamentals of critical theory here are five fundamentals critical theory fundamentals first of all the world is divided into oppressors and oppressed oppressors impose their values on oppressed groups those groups we just saw number two group identity trump's individual identity number three our moral duty is to free the oppressed and the ends justify the means antifa do you see will use violence because the ends justify the means now i know some of you are sensitive about politics in here i get that but you know in a world like this everything becomes political everything is a political power play you can't avoid it experience trump's reason and oppressors hide their expression or their oppression with reason in other words you can't use reason you can only use stories and experience all the people on the left we had up here just listen to their stories and if you try and use reason to say okay that may be your experience but if not the experience of everybody you're going to be labeled an oppressor and you're trying to use reason to oppress people and um i'll quote one critical theorist on this just so you can see i'm not making this up here the idea that objectivity is best reached only through a rational thought only through rational thought is specifically western and masculine way of thinking one that we ought to that we will challenge throughout this book how are they going to challenge that by allegedly using reason right this is a reason right here right now it's a bad reason but they're trying to use reason they're saying there's no objectivity and they're absolutely sure that their statement that there is no objectivity is object is objectively true you see that this goes back to what we talked about earlier about self-defeating statements like when people say there's no truth you're going to say is that true right but they're not going to use reason you guys know thomas soul is okay thomas saul is a brilliant economist he actually was born in gastonia not far from charlotte where i live but then when he was eight years old i think his both his parents died he he moved in with his aunt and uncle in harlem he grew up in harlem back in the 30s 40s and uh learned to read and wound up being a professor at places like cornell stanford university of chicago ucla and if you go to his youtube channel you'll get more wisdom in watching one minute of that than watching 60 minutes of anybody else all right now here is what thomas sol has said about this abuse of reason or misuse of reason not talking about critical theory directly but i like what he says here's what he says one of the painful signs of years of dumbed-down education is how many people are unable to make a coherent argument they vent their emotions they can invent their emotions question other people's motives make bold assertions repeat slogans anything except reason you ever notice that people have slogans you're oppressing me social justice you're a bigot this isn't re these are these are just personal attacks the fifth is the fact that individuals of multiple oppressed groups experience oppression in unique ways this is called intersectionality not if you're familiar with the dennis prager but he has a series of videos called prager university and he often enlists people prominent people to do videos they're five minute videos i want to show you a five minute video that is hosted by ben shapiro talking about this concept of intersectionality for those who don't know ben shapiro is ben shapiro is a jewish 35 or 36 year old brilliant conservative who recently moved from california to nashville with his whole organization because he just couldn't deal with the politics in california anymore anyway he talks about what intersectionality is here it is check this out it's clearly explained you probably think your opinions matter you probably think you're an individual with unique experiences thoughts and ambitions well i hate to break it to you but according to current leftist orthodoxy you're wrong you see your opinion only matters relative to your identity and where that identity ranks on the hierarchy of intersectionality if you're now thinking what are you talking about you haven't spent much time on a modern college campus intersectionality is a form of identity politics in which the value of your opinion depends on how many victim groups you belong to at the bottom of the totem pole is the person everybody loves to hate the straight white male and who's at the top well it's very hard to say because new groups claim victim status all the time no one can keep track so how does this intersectionality thing play out something like this let's say you're a gay white woman your opinion matters but less than that of a gay black woman why because while all women are oppressed by the patriarchy and all gays are oppressed by the heterosexual majority blacks have a victim status that whites obviously don't of course a gay black woman's victim status is less than that of a black trans woman who ranks below a black muslim trans woman and so on the more memberships you can claim in oppressed groups the more aggrieved you are and the higher you rank get it good because it's about to get even more complicated intersectionality takes your victim status and uses it as the basis for creating alliances with other victim groups 30 or 40 years ago activists encouraged racial solidarity among blacks to combat oppression but today that's not enough today's activists demand blacks make common cause with other allegedly oppressed people gays lesbians transgenders palestinians native americans whomever here's the logic a black gay and a hispanic gay may not belong to the same victim group racially but they do belong to the same victim group on the basis of their sexuality by focusing on the places where various victim identities intersect intersectionality creates a united us versus them paradigm righteous victims rising up together to fight the oppressor those dreaded straight white men this explains why at a rally protesting the treatment of palestinians by israel you might see a contingent of lesbian activists that's intersectionality at work they're so united by their victim status that it doesn't matter if islam is throw gays off of buildings or murder female family members who defy their father's wishes victim solidarity trumps all other considerations the term intersectionality was coined by kimberly crenshaw a professor of law at columbia university she explains that intersectionality was my attempt to make feminism anti-racist activism and anti-discrimination law do what i thought they should highlight the multiple avenues through which racial and gender oppression were experienced to crenshaw america is a terrible place full of victim groups each with their particular set of grievances why shouldn't these victim groups get together and form a political coalition unified by the belief that the majority society has harmed them that some professor tucked away in an ivory tower would come up with this nonsense is not surprising what is surprising and disturbing is that so many people actually go along with it america is the most open least racist nation on the planet that professor crenshaw is free to spend her nonsensical theories and get paid well for it should offer adequate proof of that and since when do you have to live someone's experience in order to understand them you don't have to live as a slave in order to understand that slavery is cruel and wrong you don't have to live as a woman in order to recognize the evil of rape finally and most important intersectionality promotes the biggest hoax of all that we aren't individuals who are to be judged on the basis of how we act but are merely members of groups to be judged on the basis of our group identity in other words you and i as individuals with our unique experiences thoughts and ambitions count for nothing our racial and sexual identity count for everything it's hard to imagine an idea less likely to produce a free and equal america than that but what do i know i'm just a straight white male i'm ben shapiro for prager university there's a reason prageru videos have hundreds of millions of views they're informative the people who are talking are always interesting except for me all the animation is fantastic and most of all you can send it around to all your friends and they actually know more than they did before you sent it you should definitely consider giving some money to prageru so you can go to their youtube channel and see that again he covered that very quickly but basically again what he's saying is that the more oppressed identities that you have the more power you should have in the public square the less of those you have if you're over here you shouldn't be heard or not heard very much anyway that's really what's going on here now there are problems with this do you guys know who rod drear is rodriguez recently wrote a book called live not by lies where he has discovered in recent years that former soviet dissidents who are aging in america now who remember the soviet union and lived in an oppressive environment in the soviet union are noticing that our culture is becoming more and more totalitarian that people are being canceled that you can't express certain opinions in public anymore without being shouted down or harmed and it's a book worth reading anyway here's something he notes in the book check this out he says curiously the poor are relatively low on the hierarchy of oppression for example a white pentecostal man living on disability in a trailer park is an oppressor a black lesbian ivy league professor is oppressed but remember if you try and use reason here you're a racist according to this theory all right so how does it line up with biblical christianity let's look at the true aspects of critical theory because there are many things about it that are true for example people are born into unequal circumstances that's always been the case and people wind up in different places in life for a variety of reasons oppression exists and it's evil and it's existed in this country and every country and as christians we ought to fight against it oppression is often institutionalized in laws practices and cultural values that's true those not oppressed sometimes don't recognize oppression i don't my personal experience i don't know what it's like to grow up as a black black man i don't you don't know if you're black what it's like to be a white person or an asian person we don't and sometimes you don't recognize it i have a friend of mine who's a pastor down in charlotte he's a former nfl player and he's black and he says i get i get pulled over a lot by cops i don't i'm sure that happens sometimes it's because though they have a profile they're looking for somebody but i don't know what it's like so sometimes and my dad always used to say something to say which is true he used to say sometimes things only become important when they become personal if you're discriminated against somehow then somehow you get that gets your attention if your neighbor is you might not even notice right so this is true also people form groups and often other those outside the group we do this in a lot of different ways right you giant fans you're othering the eagle fans those people are evil down the park down the turnpike i agree with you we happen to win today notice when you notice when your team wins you say we won when your team loses you go they stink they lost notice that we other people all the time now think about phrases that have been used throughout time but certainly in the last century these kind of phrases othering people the jews the muslims the protestants the catholics the liberals the conservatives the gays the vaccinated the unvaccinated [Music] [Applause] now we're othering people aren't we and i don't care which side i don't care where you are in here you're looking at other people going yeah i ain't like you i'm better than you now now these groups carry certain behaviors with them right i'm not saying you should judge people because they're part of this group you shouldn't because everyone is an individual but i understand why you might look at certain people in these groups and say look i don't agree with jihad and if you're a if you're a muslim who believes in jihad yeah i'm against that okay so i understand that you might disagree with people but you should still treat everybody like they're made in the image of god because they are and you don't know why somebody's a muslim you don't know why somebody's a protestant or a catholic or a liberal or whatever you don't know why you don't know them now here's another list of people that we other too the rich the poor the blacks the whites the asians the indians can't say that anymore the native americans the irish the italians the foreigners whatever none of these categories have anything to do with behavior there's no necessary behavior that the rich the poor the blacks the whites the asians etc do because they are in those groups so why would you judge anybody in these groups prejudge them you might say well they have certain cultural tendencies yeah but that doesn't mean that the person who is a white person is adheres to those cultural tendencies you don't agree with or a black person or an asian or whatever you don't know that you know if somebody's a muslim they agree on certain things about islam or if they're a liberal they might agree with certain things or conservative or gay or vaccinated or unvet you may they may okay fine but there's no behavior associated with these and yet we other people on them don't we why do we do that because we're evil that's why we want to put people in these groups we want to say these are the good guys these are the bad guys i was down in myrtle beach last weekend speaking at a conference and bishop e.w jackson was there and if you ever hear bishop e.w jackson you go i want to hear this guy again and right in the middle of his speech he said this he said we don't have a skin problem we have a sin problem that's really the issue what does your skin have to do with your behavior zip zero not you might tan better than other people but okay it's nothing to do with your behavior so why are you judging people based on their behavior and why are you trying to tell kids that you ought to judge people based on not their behavior but the group they're in now i don't normally go to the view for my political opinions i know someone in here does but this week on the view condoleezza rice was on you guys know what condoleezza rice is okay well you already know who she is okay so let me just show you what she said here in talking with other people on the view about critical race theory in schools here you go but if i could take a moment to talk about the whole issue of critical race theory and what is and is not being taught i come out of an academic institution and this is a something that academics debate what is the role of race and so forth and let me be very clear i grew up in segregated birmingham alabama i couldn't go to a movie theater or to a restaurant with my parents i went to segregated schools till we moved to denver my parents never thought i was going to grow up in a world without prejudice but they also told me that's somebody else's problem not yours you're going to overcome it and you are going to be anything you want to be and that's the message that i think we ought to be sending the kids one of the worries that i have about the way that we're we're talking about race is that it either seems so big that somehow white people now have to feel guilty for everything that happened in the past i i don't think that's very productive or black people that feel disempowered by race i would like black kids to be completely empowered to know that they are beautiful in their blackness but in order to do that i don't have to make white kids feel bad for being white so somehow this is the conversation that has gone in the wrong direction that last part you don't have to watch yeah you know there's a little bit of it in order for black kids who quite frankly for a long time the way they were portrayed the way their history was portrayed it was second-class citizenship of course but i don't have to make white children feel bad about being white in order to overcome the fact that black children uh were a couple examples here in cupertino california um in an elementary school third graders are instructed to rank themselves based on their power and their privilege california's department of education is proposing to eliminate opportunities for accelerated math in the name of equity in greenwich a white bias survey is handed out to seventh grade english class a new york private school is uh separating by race gender and ethnicity white identifying group met with a white consultant who displayed a slide that named supposed characteristics of white supremacy uh an equity statement from the school district of palm beach county outlined the initiative dismantling structures rooted in white va advantage it's happening uh across the country well but but again if you have a teacher history is going to be taught yeah absolute history and as we were talking earlier you know when you go to texas you talk to mexican kids who feel like crap because they're being told they're less than because of the alamo the whole idea of teaching history is so we don't repeat it so i think that if you're a good teacher you don't teach to make a a white kid feel bad you're supposed to say listen you didn't do any of this but you should know what happened and make sure that's right along with black kids and native american kids and all the colors that be in school i have no problem with with letting people know what happened yes but let's remember history is complex right it is human beings human beings aren't angels now and they weren't angels in the past and so how we teach about our history is also important but you have to there's no way to hide the fact that white people owned black people there's no way to hide and i think that's been the issue that uh there's been this sort of roll back of history people want to hide history well yes and what we are seeing is this this rollback of history parents don't want children to hear about the real history and when we teach children about the real history i think that is when we will really have true people are racial people people are being taught the true history but i just have to say one more thing it goes back to how we teach the history that's what i'm saying we teach the good and we teach the bad of history but what we don't do is make seven and ten year olds feel that they are somehow bad people because of the color of their skin we've been through that yeah yeah and we don't need to do that again we don't want anybody to feel that's the that doesn't seem to be part of the plan oh it is part of the i mean you know in germany they they teach the holocaust to every student of course i met a german girl we teach slavery to every student a school trip is a trip to auschwitz or duck out yes they learned about their history and there is not two sides to the story we all have to learn about our history but we also have to recognize we also recognize that we have to live together and we're going to do better living together we don't have to make anybody feel bad based on their skin color we don't have to make anybody a victim because of their skin color that's what she's saying stop judging people by their skin color that's what we tried to get that's what martin luther king was trying to get away from why would we go back to it now biblically what's the problem with critical race theory there is a lot of good that we mentioned but overall i think overall it's rotten to the core and i want to use the acronym bias first of all it's it is biased because it's racism it judges people on race rather than their behavior that's what we're trying to can we all agree we're trying to get away from judging people based on their race all right so why would we teach people to judge people by their race secondly it denies our identity and unity we have in christ we'll see that here in just a minute our the solution to all this is the gospel we're all one in christ but critical race theory denies that we don't have unity we have division i can't think of a more divisive way to try and run a country than to say let's break everybody up into groups and pit them against one another you know how america's gonna fall and it will fall it's gonna fall internally when people have our hands on one another's throats then you're going to have a major military power like china come in and be easy the authority it puts racist teachings over jesus's teachings this is the deal breaker for me who's our authority who's our commanding officer it's jesus and the apostles and then finally it promotes unbiblical and immoral behavior as we mentioned earlier you get the whole package here you get all the sexual issues that come along with this in fact as you may know and of course this again is controversial but when black lives matter which is a true statement but when their organization really ramped up after the awful george floyd situation they had on their website that they're pro-lgbtq and they wanted to get rid of the nuclear family you get rid of the nuclear family you get rid of civilization they scrub that from their website because they got so much criticism but that's what ben shapiro was talking about that all of these victim groups come together and they want to tear down that's another thing you need to know about critical theory they believe the people that really believe this don't believe in reforming the system they believe in tearing the whole thing down and starting over i don't know about you but i don't know how you get better than we hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights among these are life liberty and pursuit of happiness and that governments are instituted among men to secure these rights [Music] how do you get better than the bill of rights you don't people want to tear it down we ought to just live up to it instead of tearing it down and we didn't live up to it no country has lived up to their documents but at least we recognized we weren't and we went to war over it to fix it we've got to get back to what dr king said i have a dream they're going to be judged not by the color of their skin but by the content of their character so the ultimate solution ladies and gentlemen is the gospel because we have unity in christ as you know paul says in galatians he says in christ jesus you are all children of god through faith for all of you who were baptized into jesus christ have clothed yourselves with christ there is neither jew nor gentile neither slave nor free nor is there male nor female for you're all one in christ jesus meaning we're all equal we may have different roles different functions but we're all one in christ we're not gonna have an oppressor an oppressed group and say well you guys are the oppressors and you guys are the oppressed we're not doing that now if we see oppression we're going to fight it but we're not going to automatically put people in these categories in fact here are some questions to ask people about this hopefully this this will be practical here's a question i ask people who are putting forth critical theory first question is should people be judged by the color of their skin or the content of their character just ask the martin luther king question and see what they say how should we judge people next question what laws need to change to fix racism because i hear people saying we have systematic racism if there is systematic racism let me know if there are laws out there that are racist let me know because i want to change them with you and there were laws that were racist i've seen it with my own eyes in charlotte north carolina back in like the 1910s 1920s you couldn't buy a certain house in a neighborhood unless you were white and there was such a thing as redlining you guys know what redlining was the banks would draw red lines around neighborhoods and say nope not given any loans in these neighborhoods now the response to that decades later was to say well minorities have been disadvantaged so starting with jimmy carter in 1977 he had the community what was the thing called it was community reinvestment act something like that where they wanted to to to make loans more accessible to minorities which was a good goal right the problem was when 2008 rolled around they gave out so many loans to people who couldn't pay them back and then those loans got bundled and sold and that's what caused the crash because you can't give loans to people that can't pay it back without then the government just printing money to fix it all again which means it hasn't been fixed notice how your basic necessities keep going up inflation keep printing money that's what happens so i always ask people what laws need to change to fix racism i have four suggestions i'll get to in a minute what do you mean by that this is a key question when people say something people are oppressors what do you mean by that what do you mean by oppressor people are bigots what do you mean by bigotry i've been called a bigot before because i wrote a book called correct not politically correct how same-sex marriage hurts everyone it's out there on the table in fact a same-sex marriage advocate called me a bigot i said what do you mean by bigotry he said fear and intolerance i said that's not the definition of bigotry those are just two more words that need that need definition i said the definition of bigotry is having an opinion on something without having researched it and not being you know not just assuming you know the truth without having researched it and i said with all due respect sir if anyone's a bigot it's you because i've written an entire book on this topic which you haven't read and yet you're already judging me that's what bigotry is so always ask what do you mean by that next question how did you come to that conclusion in other words what evidence do you have for this position and finally have you ever considered fill in the blank have you ever considered is a way if someone says well you're a bigot what do you mean by that fear and intolerance well how did you come to that conclusion well because you don't agree with me does that make you a bigot because you don't agree with me have you ever considered that bigotry doesn't mean fear and intolerance or tolerance that bigotry means that you're prejudging something without any evidence so use these three questions for anything by the way we use these all the time when people making a statement say against christianity like they say for example the bible has been changed throughout the centuries what do you mean by that and ask them because they're probably thinking something different than what you're thinking next question how did you come to that conclusion in other words what evidence do you have for this position now if you want to customize that question or this response to the issue they say the bible's been changed throughout the centuries you could say what do you mean by that and then how'd you come to that conclusion have you investigated the manuscript evidence for yourself how many people do you think are gonna say well yeah just last night i was i was up reading the book about the byzantine line of manuscripts right nobody's gonna say that you see because most people as thomas soul said most people don't have evidence for their worldview they just heard a slogan and as soon as you ask them for evidence behind the slogan that supports the slogan they don't have any and it's easy to ask questions it's hard to answer them i know i have a wife she asks questions by the way these three questions you can use for anything like parents if you're if your son calls you one night he's got the car and he says dad i'm not going to be home by 11 like you wanted me to don't panic all you need to say is what do you mean by that next question have you come to that conclusion next question have you ever considered if you're not home by 11 you're grounded for two weeks be right home dad now husbands husbands husbands husbands never ever ever use these questions on your wives if she calls you an idiot don't say what do you mean by that you know how did you come to that conclusion because if i ask out of my wife she'd have a list 36 years long by the way these questions these questions are in great cocoa's book tactics which you all ought to read it helps you converse with people they're also on our app which i'll tell you about here in a minute all right ask these questions to get the conversation going okay now here are four things that i think we could do because i think i don't think these laws that are in place now are deliberately racist but i think they are laws that result in negative outcomes for minorities here for this just my you don't have to agree with this you don't agree with anything obviously but number one protect life while blacks make 12 percent of the population they account for 38 of the abortions there's not a more unjust thing we do in america than kill innocent human beings so we need to protect human life black white asian doesn't matter native american we need to protect life number two we need school choice why should a minority kid who doesn't have the same school in his neighborhood that some rich white kid has not be able to go to the rich white kid school school choice but of course the unions don't want school choice why because school choice is going to create competition and competition is going to mean you got to work to keep your job and we don't want to do that sorry if i'm just stepping on toes here i know we're in a union state but i'm escaping tomorrow number three is welfare reform bill clinton had it right he reformed welfare along with newt gingrich you can only be on welfare for a certain period of time and you gotta go to work and that helped people it helped people get out of dependency you don't want to keep people on the dole because you're destroying them you're making them more dependent but tragically president obama reversed that and now we're paying people not to work by the way i don't know about you but every place i go i see a sign help on it hiring now why can't we get workers anymore because we're paying them not to work especially yeah that's it well kovitz really exacerbated that and then finally housing incentive zones we have this in charlotte that investors get a tax break if they invest in certain neighborhoods to give low-income people better housing these are just four ideas okay i don't think well this roe v wade law which what isn't really a law at all came out of planned parenthood ultimately and planned parenthood deliberately put their abortion clinics in minority neighborhoods because margaret sanger was a eugenicist she's the founder of planned parenthood and uh she thought that certain ethnic groups ought to be exterminated sorry just telling you the truth so what's the bottom line to all this this is my friend rice brooks you know if you heard rice brooks rice is the guy that wrote the book god's not dead which turned into the series of movies he's also a pastor in nashville and when he started his church he said i don't want to pastor a just white church so we got a co-pastor black and white i love their logo here it is why is the most segregated period of the week sunday morning why is that look if the church isn't integrated why would society be we should be the leaders friends we should be the leaders treating people as individuals regardless of their ethnicity amen and we might have to give up some of our preferences whether it's music style or preaching style in order to do that we ought to come together and demonstrate that we love one another and that our skin color has nothing to do with our love what has to the reason we love one another is because jesus loved us first and heaven as you know is going to be a multi-ethnic place so church ought to be as well agreed remember who's your commanding officer [Music] let's let's act like it the bottom line is this these are contradictory world views christianity says we're sinners we need repentance and therefore salvation critical theory says there's oppression we have to engage in activism and then we're going to be liberated this world is going to end at some point ladies and gentlemen even if you're successful liberating people you still have to deal with eternity so again in my view critical theory is biased it's biased itself it gets the wrong identity the wrong authority and it promotes sin not that everything it teaches is wrong but we have to come together around the gospel to heal a broken nation so if you want to go further the books are out there the dvds here's evidence to 4422 we're on youtube twitter and facebook in fact we have a youtube channel that has over a thousand short videos on it most of them are from the college campus that's where i spend a lot of time presenting the evidence that christianity is true and take a lot of questions and we'll take some questions here in a minute by the way we're so into youtube twitter and facebook we've actually combined these three into one social media platform we call it you twit face it's kind of a jersey thing you signed up you twit face yet we're on instagram too all right we're on radio and tv in fact we have a podcast every week called i don't have enough faith to be an atheist so if you uh check out wherever you listen to podcasts i don't have enough faith to be an atheist you can see it there also download the free cross-examined app two words in the app store cross-examine it's got the podcast on it it streams the tv show it even has a quick answer section including some of the questions i just put up on the screen you know what do you mean by that how'd you come to that conclusion have you ever considered so you can have it right there on your phone when you're talking to somebody so as they say something you don't know the answer to it you can go hang on i'm getting a text hey what about this it's easy it's right there and we're also teaching online courses so we're teaching a course right now on the lgbtq issue sean mcdowell's doing that there's a course on uh the best pro-life course you'll ever take it's taught by scott klusendorf we're teaching class in the resurrection in january i'll be teaching one on how to interpret your bible we have several instructors so check it all out and this is the dvd set that goes through seven hours of why christianity is true it's called i don't have enough faith to be an atheist i still don't have enough faith to be an atheist so what we're going to do now is do some q a and we're going to set up the microphone here and since no one likes to ask the first question we're going to move right on to the second question so second question yes ma'am i have a question um but i think i just answered it or you answered it with the what do you mean by that but my question is what do you say to people that try to say that the bible endorses slavery okay well that's a good question you have you have to talk about what you mean first of all what you mean by slavery okay because slavery stand by is not what you think it is the kind of slavery that we talk about here in um in america is not the kind of slavery that stand by stand by stand by no this is the wrong one we're not killing the canaanites here we're going to slavery let's kill it let's kill the canaanites another time okay when you hear the word slavery what do we immediately think about we think about what happened in this country 160 or so years ago that's not the kind of slavery that the bible talks about in fact the word really means servant so old testament slavery was not a race-based forced servitude it was a voluntary means of working off debt or keeping captives from mustering a rebellion so there was no welfare system or any of this the way somebody could make sure they were taken care of if they owed somebody money they could put themselves in indentured servitude and then that person would take care of that individual in exchange for labor and it could be a short period of time relatively speaking or it could be their whole life every seven years slaves were or servants were let go but some servants liked the situation and they would become a bond servant for life also slave trading is condemned in the bible both the old testaments and the new testaments it's punishable by death in the old testament if we were reading our bibles right if we were obeying our commanding officer the kind of slavery we had in america never would have happened yet in the 1950s you actually had white preachers preaching segregation and during obviously early on in our country you had people claiming that slavery was mandated by god which is not the case because they didn't understand the difference also the bible teaches that all are made in the image of god slave and master are equally human and protected as one in christ this is true in the old testament several times and the new testament in fact we just read that passage galatians 3 28 jesus came to set the captives free and the bible's main goal is spiritual redemption it's not social reform but if you reform enough people if you redeem enough people you'll ultimately achieve the reform you're looking for socially so the kind of slavery in the bible is not the kind of slavery that we had here if we had obeyed the bible we wouldn't have had that here all right thank you all right thank you yes sir what's your name greg i'm great thank you for coming and i would like to express my appreciation of a very good and concise explanation of crt of what i would like to ask you is is crt a form of localism and more importantly could you please help me defend the faith what should i say to a person who would come to me and tell me that god himself practiced crt when he identified a group of people the israelites as his chosen race although at different points in history they were oppressor when they killed the canaanites as you said earlier but they were also pressed by different groups of middle persons by sentence and all of those okay great question does god oppress people is really where you're going with this that the god of the bible is oppressing people no the god of the bible judges people because he is the supreme judge and he is the standard of right and wrong the canaanite situation and we could go through it if you want but the canaanite situation was judgment these people were sacrificing their children to molech and the israelites were doing it as well and god judged them as well it wasn't just the canaanites that were killed it was israelites that were actually putting their newborn babies on a metal idol heat that idol was heated up and they were watching their babies sizzle on the arms of this molten hot metal molec god that was judgment and when it says god's chosen people what that means is that god used the jews to bring salvation to the whole world but god's salvation is open to everyone the jews are chosen but they're not favored they're just the instrument through which god brings grace they are they have to come to faith just like everybody else so if someone were to say well god's choosing favorites no god doesn't choose favorites he chooses people to do certain things and groups of people to do certain things but they are saved just like everybody else is saved through the blood of christ thank you what about the first question what was that is it a form of vocation oh a form of wokism yes it this is part of what people would loosely categorize as being woke that there are oppressed groups and oppressors and we have to take from these people and judge these people in order to lift these people now they will say that their goal is to make it so everybody has equal power okay but it's never going to work that way as you know and people have different levels of power based on their own personal skills right you can't equalize everything it's not going to work people have different motivations they have different talents they have different desires they have different circumstances and so even if you tried to equalize everything you couldn't do it as we mentioned earlier your brothers and sisters aren't the same as you for a reason they're different people thank you thank you greg yes sir what's your name uh my name is odell hodel how you doing i'm doing well um first i want to say thank you for coming yes sir i definitely watch a lot of your information and i get a lot from you okay um question you uh talked about was how did you come to that conclusion basically how did you get the evidence how did you get the actual data um how the data on what odell what do you mean like with any with any question it could be whatever but you know you always go with that you know that three questions right the middle one is basically how you come to that conclusion how did you get the evidence yeah so with any with any conversation with any argument you want to make sure what you're talking about or what you're trying to convey is actually factual and not just you know opinion jordan whatever yeah so with that being said with cr and crt we know that we there are both critical race theorists who actually you know come up with these ideas you had mentioned um ibrahim even kennedy yeah who is not a critical race theorist he claims he's not he claims he's not but he supports some of these ideas yeah which is which is fair yeah but um i guess my question is and you also mentioned the guy um neil shinvy yeah with with this idea of you know how did you come to that conclusion basically meaning how did you come with the accurate data how is it how is it okay that you can you know is it okay to pull um data from people who are not considered critical race theorists or critical race you know is it okay to do that now how hard how can you defend it if it's not you know their their own that well i'm not as concerned as to uh who supports what i'm just concerned with the ideas if they want to label themselves as non-critical race theorists but they're still supporting intersectionality i think this is a problem okay and the people that i've spoken to think this is an integral part of critical race theory but let's say critical race theory isn't the issue let's name it something else racism okay i don't think this kind of thing this is both racism and sexism and all sorts of of nationalism and all this i don't think that ought to be taught as a way we ought to treat one another that's all i'm saying you know it critical race theory can be hard to get your mind around because there's no bible there's no bible a critical race here you can go up here's chapter and verse this is what it is you've just got to take people's word for it and you've got to look at what people are putting forth in the academic institutions and this is the kind of stuff they're putting forth in their books in their teachings in their rhetoric so i'm just judging them on on what they're saying i'm saying this is what they're saying and here's why i don't think it's biblical i guess but with you you know you had started but and i appreciate it you started by saying that this is not something that you are no i'm not an expert you know like neil shenvy exactly yeah so even with neil shimbu is he the type of person that will say i got this information from kimberly krishna who is a critical reason oh yes oh yeah you know stuff like that that's why i wanted you to go to his website because you can go all and look at all of the writings he's had and his colleague is an expert in a phd in this field and i totally like i believe in the idea that you know how did you come to that conclusion meaning that you need to make sure you have the right facts from the right people as opposed to because people can say whatever people you know but if they're not a scholar in it then why are you really taking information from that person he may say some stuff that may sound like it but is he a real scholar in it that's yeah that's my hope you know i'm i don't let me i don't care what scholars believe themselves what i care about is when they're trying to implement it in the public square right if they're trying to bring ideas like this into the school system and they want to teach our kids to be racist i'm against that gotcha that's what i'm saying okay so if they want to if they want to argue at the ivory tower level this is critical race theory and this isn't fine have that argument but if it gets down to the street level looking like this i don't think we ought to be for it i think we ought to be against it that's all i'm saying thanks hello uh my name is andrew hey andrew how you doing hi everyone so my biggest question and this is something you've covered throughout the presentation that logic is not really something that comes up a lot with critical race theory so no it's it's poo poo actually exactly yeah so and with all the lessons we learned how to in a way defend ourselves i don't like to see this as a sword more of a shield in order to better understand and prepare ourselves for sin and all sorts of different arguments and conversations how do we convince people that don't believe in logic [Applause] do you want me to actually explain or do you want it no andrew that's the hardest question because it's like trying to ask people is trying to how do i motivate people who are apathetic if i had the answer to that number one i'd be a billionaire and number two everyone would be a christian because i'd get people interested in christianity but how do you motivate how do you argue with people who are irrational you know they're not interested in rationality here's a question you can ask say about this issue if critical race theory was racist would you support it or not see what they say i use this question a variation is question for atheists on college campuses they get up to the microphone if they express any hostility at all i'll ask them if christianity were true would you become a christian i've had atheists stand at that microphone in front of hundreds of people and say no no wait i thought you claimed to be rational i thought you claimed to be reasonable why wouldn't you believe something if it were true well it's not rational rational it's not reasonable the problem isn't in the head the problem's in the heart they don't want it to be true they don't want there to be a god why because they want to be god of their own lives you see they're not on a truth quest they're on a happiness quest and they're just going to believe whatever they think is going to make them happy and so sometimes you just need to ask people directly if this were true would you believe it and see what they say so if they don't believe in logic just back off and ask them that question that'll reveal whether the problem is intellectual or whether the problem is in their hearts it's their will in fact let me ask you guys how many people in here are christians consider themselves christians in here okay good this is a question for you now for everyone in here uh i want you to think somebody you know who's not a christian whom you'd like to be christian you know a friend relative somebody like that everybody got somebody all right don't point at him don't point at him all right here's my question about the person you're thinking of right now is the person you're thinking of on a relentless pursuit of truth they want to know if christianity is true or are they apathetic or maybe even hostile to christianity how many people say the person i'm thinking of is on a relentless pursuit of truth they want to know if christianity is true i have three hands out of 500 people how many people say the person i'm thinking of is apathetic or hostile yeah look around the room you see this most people are looking for god like a criminal's looking for a cop okay they're not interested so what you can do is you can help them understand that their objection is not intellectual it's volitional they don't want it to be true so what can you do with such a person that won't obey logic won't obey reason what you can do is love them and and plant seeds every now and then and then because it happens to just about all of us at some point tragedy's gonna strike that life because it happens to all of us and then your phone is gonna ring and that person's gonna be on the other end because when something goes wrong they're not gonna call their atheist friend what's the atheist friend gonna say well stuff just happens there's no rhyme or reason you become worm food and you die that's it you know your diet becomes worm food it's over they're going to call someone a spiritual death because when the student's ready the teacher will appear they'll call you so that's all you can do is love them and plant seeds and wait make sense yes it does all right thank you for coming thanks andrew thank you so i was sitting and i was listening to you and i was listening to both sides right and i can understand both sides i can understand critical race theory as critical race theory is and then i can understand it as being biased and racist and then i can see how one side has a lot of works it has plans it has actions all these kinds of steps even in its faultiness and i can see as a christian how to take both and do something with it but that's me so how is it that we teach each other as christians how to do something about this in a sense of like we're planting seeds but we're not teaching each other how to farm these seeds it's like yes we can pray about this and yes we can you know minister to people and do certain things but sometimes faith requires action and it's how do we take action against oppression and against division and really work with unity when we're not even technically unified as like a church so it's i want to know how like what's your thoughts on how christians can lip be of a help in this situation well for example on the abortion issue there are catholics and protestants working together and have been working together to try and reduce abortions through crisis pregnancy center to through counseling to working to change the law to helping expectant mothers right these are ways that christians can come together and do that there are christians that help the poor there are christians that help in in housing situations there are foster parents right there are parents that adopt i mean there's many ways we can help uh not just political ways the ways that i mentioned so we we do have to be involved and the church as you know is designed to do ministry the pastor's not supposed to do all the ministry according to ephesians 4 the pastor and his team are supposed to equip the saints to do ministry so if you have a passion for something god raises people up to do certain things you can lead a group of people to go make a difference so the question is on this issue how can you make a difference yes how can you see it's it's it as i said earlier race is a hard issue it's a hard issue why because you emphasize it too much you become a racist if you don't emphasize it at all you may allow racism to to fester in advance right so how do you find that balance in there where you don't where everything isn't about race but it's enough to say hey let's treat everybody as individuals but what you said doesn't that tie into a little bit of the pilot analogy the pilot analogy what about it that you're wanting to satisfy the crowd yes what because if we're all people right we're all god's people why is race so difficult to talk about why is it so hard to create works in that aspect when you just kind of it's like these people are suffering people are suffering how do we aid people and their suffering we could think about it like people are dying without salvation what are we doing about this whatever way it is to present it to the masses so they understand it it's kind of not being done it's being avoided so how do we teach well that's why i ask people who want to fight racism specifically first of all from the law perspective what needs what laws need to change that's what i want to know i gave four things that i think should change okay from a from a law perspective what can we do in the church regardless of what happens politically and one of the things i think we need to do is be more integrated on sunday morning so that may mean that i have to do away with some of my preferences when it comes to worship or preaching style so i could be with my black brothers and sisters and vice versa right if we're going to come together as a group and there are people that make a concerted effort to do this like my friend darwin gray in charlotte you know transformation church he's trying to create a multi-ethnic church and it's it's it's it's hard right because again if you emphasize it too much then race becomes everything emphasize it too little then you might just have a segregated congregation so it's a hard it's not easy it's not an easy problem but this is not the solution that's all i'm saying to put people in boxes and say we're going to judge you based on the box you're in that's not the solution that's racism itself can we cancel solution without having a replacement for it yeah you can say don't do that bad thing i don't have a good thing for you to do right now but don't do that bad thing your parents tell you that all the time don't they yeah i really do thank you all right thank you your mind works but my question i came up to ask you is about is we found out because of the all the classes that were online some of the things that were going on in schools and i think this is how we found out about the critical race theory being in the schools sewing as concerned parents and grandparents some of us want to start going to the school board meetings and speaking up about this first we have to learn about it it seems like and and then to speak wisely and clearly about it that's what i want to ask you guys some guidance for yes i think someone asking some of the questions can really highlight where say school board members are coming from and that's why i wanted to offer these questions these questions to ask as we mentioned earlier this is a key question should people be judged by the color of their skin or the content of their character and what laws need to change to fix racism what policies are you putting in place in this school to fix racism what are they i want to know i did find out another thing because i've been doing a little bit of research that a lot of the crt is buried in a lot of lgbtq exactly you get the whole package that's part of the problem and it's being introduced in new jersey in kindergarten based on laws that our governor pushed through and you know explicit sexual activity in up to middle grade middle school ages and it's um it's bad it's just bad in new jersey and i'm trying to respond to it well here's let me give you some hope because i think a lot of people are weary of fighting your job is not to win your job is to be faithful so you just do what's right and leave the results to god amen that's all you do yes sir what's your name brendan hey brandon go ahead sir um hi i'm from long island thanks for coming out no problem i love um cross-examine youtube phenomenal thank you so much um i just want to ask you uh dr uh frank that as crt social justice progressive christians and cultural relativism invade the church world what is your advice for the next generation on defending the church defending the church or defending the faith what do you mean um like for example in new york our governor um governor hulkel went to a church and at the podium she kind of said something really heretical like um to take the vaccine to be her apostles i saw that and that's kind of there seems to be um not a separation of church and state like whenever the church wants to get involved there's always government pushback but it's not um evenly reciprocated thomas jefferson when he wrote the phrase separation of church and state in a letter to the danbury baptists wanted a one-way wall of separation where the church would influence the state that the state wouldn't interfere with the church and separation of church and state is not in the first amendment in fact thomas jefferson had nothing to do with writing the first amendment that was james madison thomas jefferson was the ambassador to france when the bill of rights was ratified it was the supreme court who took that letter from jefferson and imported it into the everson versus board of education decision in 1947 and from that point on people seem to think that in our constitution there's a separation of church and state there is no separation of church and state by the constitution but we don't have church and state united because we want freedom of religion the church can certainly influence the state and when we say the church we mean the group of people called believers but the state is not supposed to interfere with the church and that's what the state has done for the past two years ever since covet began they're keeping abortion clinics and liquor stores open but somehow the church is not essential so i'll just tell you i don't know how you guys could deal with it here but my friend jack kibb's out in california calvary chapel chino hills had a very big church of about 7 000 or so and when covid first hit like everybody we want to know what this is okay we'll we'll stand down for a little while ten days just flatten the curve right okay it's now two years anyway and he finally decided after two months he was going to open he felt god was prompting him to open so he opened and governor newsom out there kept sending him letters you need the clothes you need to close and he just kept going right now his church has doubled and there are people driving three hours on sunday to go to church because their local churches aren't open if there's anything essential it's church now you can take precautions you can wear mass social distancing and all that but we ought to come together and and support one another i mean it's not ebola okay i can understand it was ebola okay yeah but it's not ebola so um i think that we have to ensure that we continue to be the church and if the state tells us we can't do something either god told us to do or forces us to try and do something that god says we ought not do then we civilly disobey we take the punishment makes sense thank you all right thanks oh yeah so i'm currently uh intern with russia christian rutgers oh beautiful yeah all right so yeah thank you for you know coming to our meeting and our virtual and uh for this as well actually tomorrow we were supposed to be at rutgers but yeah covet has kind of shut that down because it's so dangerous especially especially especially the kids right yeah anyway yeah i just want to mention we also have a row of um people from russia we have boss and stephen where are they so all right hey boston stephen [Music] thanks hopefully we'll get out there next semester yes sir go ahead yeah so um if i could just give a little bit context i guess for my question trying to synthesize two things into one save time um so basically i think there's a church um that uses our building um after our service and they're uh i guess i don't know what the term is but in i don't know ethnic church i don't want to like use that term but like basically i think they have like korean in their name of the church and so i'm wondering if sometimes we can have um unintended othering um where you know in people in my in my church they kind of just refer to them as the koreans and then like you know that doesn't necessarily imply that a bad connotation or anything but maybe can have an unintended othering effect and then maybe um for instance like if a church had korean in it in their name and i well if i wasn't korean i wouldn't maybe you know go seek out and try to attend just because i'm not korean so i guess um i've been hearing also the term like unconscious bias thrown around with critical race theory so i guess what is your evaluation of that term and um if that refers to unintended consequences of you know like having korean in your church or like an ethnic name in your church name or referring to a group of people as the blank how do we prevent against that as christians well when people say that others have unconscious bias i'm going to ask them what do you mean by that right and how did you come to that conclusion and it's your opinion that people have unconscious bias your own bias i don't know maybe you're right maybe people do have unconscious bias but if it's unconscious why are you blaming them for it yeah how do they know they don't maybe you can awaken them to it like i said earlier they're i my experience is my experience i can't live somebody else's experiences and vice versa so we may all have blind spots we get that but what does that have to do with this should oh not this the thing i had up there before the two the two columns right now look for a korean church you understand why they're a korean church because they're in america and they're probably speaking korean in the service and they want people who are from korea to come to their church so they can experience the mass or the service in their own language so i understand why they do that and i would assume although i haven't been to korea in about 15 years i would assume that korea is pretty homogeneous made of koreans i'm sure there are foreigners there but it's not like the united states was a melting pot right uh so you might understand why they say well we're from korea let's all get together on sunday and speak korean and have have a church service i don't think there's anything wrong with that uh now personally i wouldn't go because i wouldn't know what's going on right so i don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with that yeah i'm just wondering because i know you mentioned um how like we both have like everybody has to make some sort of sacrifices i'm wondering if that would qualify maybe i mean i know so a lot of churches they probably they have like a service in english or they might do away with korean or for maybe us to not recognize you know to not let a name of a church hinder us from attending so like would those be like sacrifices that you know contribute yeah but obviously the language barrier is huge yeah so if you can't understand one another while you're sitting in there right you might not be able to do much right right yeah i i you know i guess looking i don't know i think maybe yeah i understand how tough it is i guess but i think yeah the goal is to strive for unity right so well here's what's going to happen as the culture continues to close in around us first of all the true christians are going to actually come together even across denominations because the secondary and tertiary issues we argue over are going to seem like nothing compared to the persecution that comes so that's going to bring a certain unity and the people who aren't really christians are just going to float away right they're just going to they're gonna leave because they don't want to deal with the persecution so there is there are good things that come out of persecution we don't wish it on ourselves but good things can come out of it we can grow we can get more unified we can major in the majors and not the minors and we can we can become more like jesus because jesus actually learned obedience through suffering if jesus learns obedience through suffering and he was sinless what about us yeah yeah just sucks sometimes that has to be that way yeah i know all right uh thank you all for coming tonight i'll be at the table and uh the great reuben here is going to close us out ladies and gentlemen

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Published: Mon Dec 20 2021