Crimes That Shook Australia S03E06 Morgan Huxley

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[Music] this is neutral<font color="#CCCCCC"> Bay only a</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> couple of</font> kilometers<font color="#E5E5E5"> from the heart of Sydney it's</font> peaceful tree-lined streets are home to some of<font color="#E5E5E5"> the best views</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of Sydney</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> Harbour</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">but on the night</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of the 8th of September</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">2013 that calm was shattered Morgan had</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">28 separate stab wounds</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> in and around</font> his body<font color="#CCCCCC"> predominantly they stab wounds</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">were in his back neck and shoulder areas</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">the discovery</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of the body of local</font> businessman Morgan Huxley would stun the nation it happened to<font color="#CCCCCC"> someone with</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> no known enemy</font> someone who was<font color="#E5E5E5"> just an ordinary man</font> living in<font color="#E5E5E5"> Sydney living in a great part</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">of Sydney the hunt for the perpetrator</font> would reveal a cold-hearted<font color="#E5E5E5"> killer it</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">was just a game to him</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> now he was</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">trading everyone with our fools</font> what I'm<font color="#CCCCCC"> doing is conducting an</font> electronically recorded<font color="#E5E5E5"> interview</font> between<font color="#CCCCCC"> myself and Daniel Jack counseled</font> his face was blank<font color="#E5E5E5"> the whole time and</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">there was just a shiver down my spine</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">this is a dangerous man</font> the murder of Morgan Huxley was<font color="#CCCCCC"> a crime</font> that shook Australia [Applause] [Music] <font color="#CCCCCC">neutralized a beautiful suburb of Sydney</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> school's</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> loads of parks greenery</font> it's<font color="#E5E5E5"> full of young people that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> want to</font> first<font color="#E5E5E5"> move out of home there's a lot of</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">units for young working</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> people so close</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> city and there's a lot</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of</font> families<font color="#E5E5E5"> it's fair to say</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that it's</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">probably considered one of the more</font> affluent suburbs in Sydney<font color="#E5E5E5"> it's close to</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> harbor close to the city</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> so it's a</font> place where<font color="#E5E5E5"> people want</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> live people</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">want to go out experience the the</font> lifestyle that<font color="#CCCCCC"> goes with being in</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that</font> part of Sydney one of the locals was a young man who <font color="#E5E5E5">seemingly kept to himself</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> someone with</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">no police record and who at the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> time was</font> looking for work one of the<font color="#E5E5E5"> first stops</font> on his search for<font color="#E5E5E5"> a job was the Sydney</font> cooking school he came in<font color="#E5E5E5"> off the</font> streets<font color="#E5E5E5"> and asked if there was any</font> cleaning positions<font color="#E5E5E5"> my first impression</font> was of<font color="#E5E5E5"> a geek</font> you know<font color="#E5E5E5"> thick glasses skinny nerdy</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">looking very shy but dead stare you</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> in</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">the eye he said that he had</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> experience</font> as a chef which turns out he did work at <font color="#CCCCCC">another restaurant</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> not too far away</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> so</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">we thought oh great a kitchen hand with</font> some you know knife skills experience <font color="#E5E5E5">which would be great</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> for</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> us so this was</font> the perfect<font color="#CCCCCC"> opportunity for</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> him</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to do</font> the cleaning<font color="#E5E5E5"> and some food prep</font> [Music] the young man was Daniel<font color="#E5E5E5"> Jack Kelso and</font> he would go<font color="#CCCCCC"> on</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to commit an act of such</font> brutality<font color="#E5E5E5"> that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> it would shake the serene</font> suburb<font color="#E5E5E5"> to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> its core</font> [Music] the night in question we were having a 21st birthday<font color="#CCCCCC"> party here it was 16 girls</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">11:30 we kicked them out</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I stayed around</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">for half an hour</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> just tidying things up</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">and Daniel was here to clean up</font> afterwards<font color="#E5E5E5"> jokingly I said to Daniel</font> that<font color="#E5E5E5"> night I said look you're 22 there's</font> you know<font color="#E5E5E5"> 16 gorgeous 21 year olds and</font> you should pay me to work tonight<font color="#E5E5E5"> and he</font> just laughed and said you know you know I'm not into<font color="#CCCCCC"> that sort of thing Kelsall</font> spent some time clearing<font color="#E5E5E5"> up after the</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">party before</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> leaving</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> work and heading</font> out onto<font color="#E5E5E5"> the streets of neutral Bay</font> around the same<font color="#E5E5E5"> time another man</font> Morgan Huxley was<font color="#E5E5E5"> being dropped off in</font> the<font color="#E5E5E5"> town by friends</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">morgen Huxley had returned from an</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">engagement party in</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> Lane Cove</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to neutral</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">Bay with a couple of friends now he</font> wanted<font color="#E5E5E5"> to have one last</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> drink but his</font> friends left<font color="#E5E5E5"> him and he went off</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to the</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">Oaks hotel which was his</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> favorite pub</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">for one last drink</font> less than an<font color="#E5E5E5"> hour later the lives of</font> Kelso<font color="#CCCCCC"> and Huxley would collide with</font> tragic and brutal consequences the following<font color="#E5E5E5"> morning</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> as Brett</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> devrel headed</font> back to work<font color="#E5E5E5"> he was stunned by what he</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">saw</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I saw that the police had blocked</font> off our rear alleyway which is where I park<font color="#CCCCCC"> now I stopped and asked if I could</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">go into our garage and I was told no</font> this is a crime<font color="#CCCCCC"> scene you need</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to park</font> somewhere else<font color="#E5E5E5"> and I asked them what was</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">going</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> on and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> they said that there had</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">been a murder</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> last night</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and the police</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">have basically</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> closed down half the area</font> [Music] the<font color="#E5E5E5"> residents of neutral Bay woke that</font> morning<font color="#E5E5E5"> to shocking news overnight the</font> body of 31<font color="#CCCCCC"> year old local business owner</font> Morgan Huxley had been discovered he'd been stabbed multiple times<font color="#CCCCCC"> in his own</font> apartment<font color="#E5E5E5"> short time after Morgan</font> arrived time about 1:30<font color="#E5E5E5"> his flatmate</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">heard a knock on</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> door she didn't</font> think<font color="#E5E5E5"> anything of it</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and went back</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to sleep about 2:30 that</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">morning</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> she heard noises coming from</font> Morgan's bedroom and a short time<font color="#CCCCCC"> later</font> she<font color="#E5E5E5"> got out</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> bed</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> went to his</font> bedroom where she<font color="#E5E5E5"> found him on</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> floor</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">police and ambulance arrived at that</font> location<font color="#E5E5E5"> in neutral Bay shortly after 3</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">a.m. where ambulance</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> attempted to</font> resuscitate him post-mortem examination of Morgan revealed that he had 28 separate stab wounds<font color="#E5E5E5"> in</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> around his</font> body predominantly these stab wounds<font color="#E5E5E5"> were in</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">his back neck shoulder areas one in</font> particular was quite forceful an examination of Morgan's skull<font color="#CCCCCC"> revealed</font> the tip of the blade<font color="#E5E5E5"> breaking off any</font> skull<font color="#E5E5E5"> we</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> commence</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> by conducting</font> canvasses<font color="#E5E5E5"> speaking to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> witnesses</font> neighbors<font color="#E5E5E5"> anyone who saw Morgan at</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the</font> time we<font color="#E5E5E5"> obtained CCTV</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> from in and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> around</font> the area<font color="#CCCCCC"> and we</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> also try and piece</font> together what occurred<font color="#E5E5E5"> to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Morgan prior</font> to his death as detectives<font color="#E5E5E5"> began</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> their investigation</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">the last-known movements of Morgan</font> Huxley started to emerge Morgan Huxley was<font color="#CCCCCC"> a young</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> single man</font> he'd been out celebrating a friend's <font color="#E5E5E5">engagement party he had left with some</font> friends in<font color="#CCCCCC"> a taxi who</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> dropped him off at</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">his flat at neutral Bay and he'd tried</font> to<font color="#E5E5E5"> interest them in one last drink at</font> his his local watering hole<font color="#E5E5E5"> the neutral</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">Bay Oaks hotel which was</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> couple of</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">hundred</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> meters from where he lived</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> they</font> declined they'd had enough<font color="#E5E5E5"> so Morgan</font> decided<font color="#CCCCCC"> he'd go and have one last one</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">himself he stayed there for</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> about half</font> an hour<font color="#E5E5E5"> during</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that time he had to be</font> just sat<font color="#CCCCCC"> around watching the television</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">the pub closed at about 1:30 that</font> morning there were no real suspects but police commenced<font color="#E5E5E5"> the investigation and</font> spoke<font color="#E5E5E5"> to Morgan's friends and and worked</font> out we've<font color="#E5E5E5"> been at the party and had been</font> at the<font color="#E5E5E5"> pub and spoke to staff at the pub</font> who knew Morgan<font color="#E5E5E5"> very well and then they</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">got CCTV footage from</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Military</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> Road and</font> the outside<font color="#E5E5E5"> of the pub saw an image of</font> Morgan walking down the street<font color="#E5E5E5"> on his</font> way home<font color="#E5E5E5"> and another young man following</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">behind</font> this person was seen to<font color="#E5E5E5"> be walking</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">running along Military Road towards</font> Watson Street at the<font color="#CCCCCC"> time</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> we did not</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">know</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the identity of this person</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> at the</font> time<font color="#E5E5E5"> we believe that he potentially was</font> a chef or worked<font color="#E5E5E5"> in a</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> kitchen in and</font> around that<font color="#CCCCCC"> area we based this on the</font> clothing<font color="#CCCCCC"> that he was wearing at the time</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">this mysterious figure caught on camera</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">was wearing distinctive chef's pants and</font> he was someone the<font color="#CCCCCC"> police were keen</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to</font> track down<font color="#E5E5E5"> he was</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> one of the last</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> people</font> to have seen Morgan Huxley<font color="#E5E5E5"> alive was he</font> involved in<font color="#E5E5E5"> his death</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a few days</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> later</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">we saw some guys in suits</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> walking</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> up</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">down the street they never</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> stopped they</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">just were going to all the other</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">restaurants</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> in the area</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">so our barista</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> works at the front</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">noticed these gentleman</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and a lady and</font> the<font color="#CCCCCC"> restaurants are what are you looking</font> for<font color="#E5E5E5"> they pulled out a picture and they</font> said we're looking<font color="#E5E5E5"> for this guy</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> in</font> relation to<font color="#E5E5E5"> the Morgan</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Huxley murder and</font> so our<font color="#CCCCCC"> versa said are you should have</font> stopped here<font color="#E5E5E5"> because he works here it</font> was the break<font color="#E5E5E5"> police were searching</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> for</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">they now had to find out more about the</font> suspicious kitchen worker<font color="#E5E5E5"> captured on</font> CCTV<font color="#E5E5E5"> and more importantly where was he</font> now in September<font color="#E5E5E5"> 2013</font> New South<font color="#CCCCCC"> Wales police were</font> investigating<font color="#CCCCCC"> the murder of Neutral Bay</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">resident Morgan Huxley Morgan Huxley was</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">a small business</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> owner he lived in a</font> flat<font color="#E5E5E5"> at neutral Bay he was popular</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> he</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">was loved by members of his</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> family he</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">was just your average bloke</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> living in</font> Sydney [Music] not long after<font color="#E5E5E5"> Huxley's mutilated body</font> was<font color="#E5E5E5"> found at</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> his apartment</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> detectives</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">uncovered a vital clue the initial</font> police investigation focused on Morgan's friends and associates<font color="#CCCCCC"> given most</font> murders tend to be committed by<font color="#E5E5E5"> someone</font> known<font color="#E5E5E5"> to the victim</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">however this avenue of inquiry turned up</font> no useful leads<font color="#E5E5E5"> so police decided to</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">review the CCTV in the local area</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">footage showed a mysterious figure</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">following Huxley along the street so a</font> number<font color="#CCCCCC"> of detectives were tasked to</font> speak to shop owners and attend restaurants and cafes and hotels in and around<font color="#E5E5E5"> that area</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> in an attempt to</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">identify</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the person depicted in that</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">image it was two weeks</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> after the murder</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">when the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> police visited the Sydney</font> cooking school they were like<font color="#E5E5E5"> seriously</font> you know this is<font color="#CCCCCC"> yep yeah he works here</font> and<font color="#E5E5E5"> they said well</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> can you call him</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">get him to come up here or can</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> we see if</font> he's at<font color="#CCCCCC"> home on the 24th of September</font> 2013 detectives identified<font color="#E5E5E5"> Daniel</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> jack</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">Kelsall was being the person</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> in that</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">photograph</font> then afternoon<font color="#E5E5E5"> myself and a number of</font> other detectives from<font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> homicide squad</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> north sydney went to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> daniel castles</font> home where he was<font color="#E5E5E5"> spoken</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to that night</font> daniel was rusted<font color="#E5E5E5"> on to work and he came</font> in<font color="#E5E5E5"> and I</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> said oh you know did the police</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">question you did you do it</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I said you</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">know there's a picture of you walking</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">across the street with the guy that died</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">oh I just</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> coincidence that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you know I</font> was<font color="#E5E5E5"> just talking</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to the guy when</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> he was</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">walking home then I said so was it you</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and he said no no not me</font> he denied everything after speaking with investigators at his home Daniel Kelso agreed to<font color="#CCCCCC"> visit his local</font> police station where he gave detectives <font color="#CCCCCC">his version of events</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> Tom according to</font> me is<font color="#E5E5E5"> 641 p.m. Tuesday the 24th</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> day of</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">September 2013</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I am detective Senior</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">Sergeant matrix from</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the Homicide Squad</font> what I'm doing is conducting an electronically recorded interview <font color="#E5E5E5">between myself and Daniel</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Jack Kelso</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> he</font> agreed to<font color="#E5E5E5"> come in and told them his</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">story about having finished</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> work at the</font> cooking school<font color="#E5E5E5"> and wading across the</font> road where<font color="#CCCCCC"> the fast food shops</font> [Music] and just passing<font color="#CCCCCC"> time as he often did</font> after work after<font color="#CCCCCC"> the purpose of this</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">interview could just say your full name</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">date of birth please Daniel</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Jack counsel</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">are born on the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> first of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> February 1993</font> before Morgan Huxley actually went into the<font color="#E5E5E5"> pub he popped into a convenience</font> store<font color="#CCCCCC"> and Daniel Kelsall who worked at</font> the<font color="#CCCCCC"> nearby Sydney cooking school or was</font> also there at the time into the convenience<font color="#E5E5E5"> store where</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> there's</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> no I</font> thought is so this<font color="#E5E5E5"> guy was trying to get</font> money out<font color="#E5E5E5"> of the machine but very funny</font> Morgan try to use an ATM<font color="#E5E5E5"> and then he</font> left<font color="#CCCCCC"> the convenience store and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that's</font> really where the<font color="#CCCCCC"> two</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of them</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> crossed</font> paths I had a<font color="#E5E5E5"> small conversation here the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> two</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">this guy more than yes</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> mommy</font> yes<font color="#CCCCCC"> Morgan</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> asked me if I wanted to use</font> the money<font color="#E5E5E5"> out of the ATM</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> he asked you to</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">arrest me</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I replied no and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> left</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">after</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> leaving the convenience store</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">Huxley made his way to the Oaks hotel</font> Morgan arrived at the<font color="#E5E5E5"> exotel just after</font> 1:00 a.m.<font color="#CCCCCC"> that morning</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> he stayed there</font> for<font color="#CCCCCC"> about half an hour</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> during</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that time</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">Daniel Castle</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> can be seen on CCTV and</font> appears to<font color="#E5E5E5"> be watching Morgan who at the</font> time was inside the hotel the CCTV<font color="#E5E5E5"> depicts Daniel</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Castle looking</font> in the<font color="#E5E5E5"> direction towards the yokes hotel</font> and where Morgan<font color="#E5E5E5"> Huxley was at the time</font> Morgan stayed at the<font color="#E5E5E5"> hotel and left just</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">before 1:30 that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> morning he walked long</font> military<font color="#E5E5E5"> road towards</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Watson Street</font> where<font color="#CCCCCC"> he lived at the time daniel</font> Kelsall happened to decide to<font color="#E5E5E5"> hit home</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">himself</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> at the same time that Morgan who</font> he didn't know left the pub and told the <font color="#E5E5E5">police that remembered seeing him he he</font> encountered him at the<font color="#CCCCCC"> traffic lights</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and referred to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> him as there's no shoes</font> called him no shoes no<font color="#CCCCCC"> no that's the</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">name</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that I had</font> for the person<font color="#E5E5E5"> cause</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> yeah Russia's ashes</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">you ever seen him before</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> no never</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">sorry not to my knowledge</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you know I</font> mean it's possible<font color="#E5E5E5"> that I may</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> have</font> walked<font color="#CCCCCC"> but walked like</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> sure cross paths</font> but you don't know it not<font color="#E5E5E5"> Morgan Huxley</font> may not have<font color="#CCCCCC"> even noticed</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">Daniel Kelsall at all but it so happens</font> that Daniel Kell<font color="#E5E5E5"> saw paps from this</font> moment<font color="#CCCCCC"> had his eyes on Morgan Huxley</font> Daniel<font color="#E5E5E5"> council can also be seen at the</font> time to be walking as<font color="#CCCCCC"> well as</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> running</font> behind Morgan<font color="#E5E5E5"> who unbeknown to him at</font> the<font color="#CCCCCC"> time</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> was being</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> followed by Daniel</font> Kelso<font color="#E5E5E5"> this is the last time</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that Morgan</font> Huxley was<font color="#E5E5E5"> seen alive</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">so</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> yeah camera there what we're going to</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">show</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you there which is camera</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> seven</font> on their security<font color="#E5E5E5"> system he was shown</font> the<font color="#CCCCCC"> footage as</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> well as an image of</font> himself during<font color="#CCCCCC"> the interview he</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> told us</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">that it was in fact him</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and he was going</font> home at<font color="#CCCCCC"> the time</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you know</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that is it's</font> me so that's the same bag you've got yeah <font color="#CCCCCC">okay and you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> said you own another of</font> those<font color="#E5E5E5"> shirt yeah and a number do you</font> recall does this assist us in determining<font color="#CCCCCC"> what</font> shoes you were wearing that<font color="#E5E5E5"> particular</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">knot it was asked at the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> time</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> why he was</font> running<font color="#E5E5E5"> a long military ride after</font> Morgan Huxley he told us that his mother had said that if it gets<font color="#E5E5E5"> cold you</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> should</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">go for a jog</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> what was a jog</font> it's called mom always tells me<font color="#CCCCCC"> to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> call</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">her for job fi did your job for</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> not very</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">shot</font> how far is<font color="#E5E5E5"> not very far</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> oh</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> maybe I don't</font> know from<font color="#CCCCCC"> from the lights were</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> livid</font> after<font color="#E5E5E5"> the lights a little</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> bit before the</font> opening to the restaurant that<font color="#CCCCCC"> the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> VM</font> Oaks restaurant<font color="#CCCCCC"> kelsa was a strange</font> person he was odd<font color="#E5E5E5"> some of the responses</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">that he gave at the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> time appeared a bit</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">different the only person to tell you</font> very<font color="#E5E5E5"> possible as well but I'm not</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> very</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">good at remembering</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> things sorry you're</font> not<font color="#E5E5E5"> very</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> good</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> at</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> remembering</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> things not</font> find details<font color="#CCCCCC"> that I thought at the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> time</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">he's answer when I asked</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> him the</font> question about why were you running behind him<font color="#CCCCCC"> I thought that was</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">particularly strange where you were over</font> here<font color="#E5E5E5"> on Bill Boyd Road and then you've</font> indicated you just sort of walked back up<font color="#CCCCCC"> Military Road across watts and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you're</font> cold<font color="#CCCCCC"> I'm just wondering why you would go</font> that way<font color="#E5E5E5"> that doesn't</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> look like</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> my story</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">I don't know I I don't when I when I get</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">tired I don't</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> really pay attention</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to a</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">lot</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> things I think it was because I</font> wanted<font color="#E5E5E5"> to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> chicken</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> at work the front of</font> work Daniel Kelso went in for his police interview<font color="#E5E5E5"> he appeared to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> be pretty calm</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">and pretty certain about</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> what he says</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">had happened</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> in</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> his apartment</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">that's that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> block</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> oh one of the blocks</font> of Obama<font color="#E5E5E5"> saying not correct no he denied</font> that<font color="#CCCCCC"> he had ever gone</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to Morgan's unit</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">or that he knew anything about him</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> oh</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">machine is two minutes past</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> 8:00 p.m. on</font> the 24th of September 2013<font color="#CCCCCC"> can I just</font> confirm your name Daniel<font color="#CCCCCC"> Jack</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> Kelso when</font> I found<font color="#CCCCCC"> out that Daniel</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> was a suspect it</font> was more total shock<font color="#CCCCCC"> I was like in</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> total</font> disbelief there's no way this<font color="#CCCCCC"> weird</font> little<font color="#E5E5E5"> guy was capable of murder</font> he'd never shown<font color="#E5E5E5"> even</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the slightest bit</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">of aggression or</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> even anger or</font> grumpiness or anything he just to me was <font color="#E5E5E5">like</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the total opposite person if I knew</font> a hundred people<font color="#E5E5E5"> he would be the last</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">person I would</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> suspect his favorite</font> shows were like CSI<font color="#CCCCCC"> he loved reading</font> books on crimes and<font color="#CCCCCC"> that sort of thing</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">so I said to Daniel did you do</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it and he</font> said no when I<font color="#E5E5E5"> definitely didn't do it</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">if I did do it</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> there's no</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> way</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> they'd</font> catch<font color="#E5E5E5"> me</font> we also asked him whether or not he <font color="#CCCCCC">wished to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> provide a DNA sample for</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">comparison purposes I explained you that</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">we've recovered some DNA and</font> fingerprints from the crime<font color="#E5E5E5"> scene at his</font> house yes German and<font color="#CCCCCC"> then I asked you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> were you</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">prepared to provide a sample of your</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> DNA</font> and<font color="#E5E5E5"> your fingerprints yep and that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you</font> told us<font color="#CCCCCC"> that you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> weren't comfortable</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">yeah so so correct</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> yes</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that is correct</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">at the time</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> he told</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> us that he felt</font> uncomfortable<font color="#CCCCCC"> and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> did not wish</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to</font> provide a sample<font color="#CCCCCC"> a number of days later</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">we found out</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the reason why</font> detectives<font color="#E5E5E5"> investigating the murder</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of</font> Morgan Huxley were becoming<font color="#E5E5E5"> increasingly</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">interested in the movements</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of Daniel</font> Kelso<font color="#CCCCCC"> a young kitchen worker spotted</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> on</font> CCTV<font color="#CCCCCC"> in the vicinity of the victim on</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">the night of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the murder</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">Castle had provided a statement but</font> declined to<font color="#CCCCCC"> provide a DNA sample and to</font> police that<font color="#CCCCCC"> rang alarm bells</font> [Music] most people provide a sample<font color="#CCCCCC"> at</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the time</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">you know if someone has nothing to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> hide</font> then there's no real reason<font color="#E5E5E5"> why they</font> wouldn't provide a sample<font color="#E5E5E5"> for that</font> particular<font color="#E5E5E5"> incident during</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> castles first</font> interview detectives<font color="#E5E5E5"> noticed that he'd</font> arrived at the police<font color="#CCCCCC"> station carrying a</font> bag when he<font color="#CCCCCC"> came</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> back to the police</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">station and during the interview he was</font> wearing a shoulder bag this bag became quite significant<font color="#CCCCCC"> in a number</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of days</font> time not long after<font color="#E5E5E5"> giving his statement</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">daniel castle</font> got back in touch<font color="#CCCCCC"> with the police two</font> days<font color="#CCCCCC"> later on the 26th of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> september 2013</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">I received a</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> phone</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> call from</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> him in the</font> afternoon<font color="#E5E5E5"> he</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> told me over the phone</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">that when he spoke to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> us</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> two days prior</font> he wasn't telling<font color="#CCCCCC"> me the complete truth</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">I arranged</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to meet</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> him</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that afternoon</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and I drove with another</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> detective</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to a</font> shopping<font color="#CCCCCC"> centre in neutral</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> Bay and that</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">was where Daniel Cole essentially</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> told</font> mark<font color="#E5E5E5"> that he hadn't told the truth that</font> he<font color="#E5E5E5"> had actually gone</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> into this man's</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">flat with him and then on his way out</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">had bumped into or seen a woman entering</font> the unit<font color="#CCCCCC"> block a young woman blonde</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">woman Kelsall claimed that it was</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">actually this woman who had seen him</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font> was in some way angry about<font color="#E5E5E5"> having seen</font> him leave the unit<font color="#E5E5E5"> and he thought that</font> that<font color="#CCCCCC"> was the reason</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> Kelso's presence</font> there was the reason<font color="#E5E5E5"> that Morgan Huxley</font> had ended up getting stabbed<font color="#E5E5E5"> apparently</font> by this<font color="#CCCCCC"> unidentified</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> woman at the time I</font> didn't believe<font color="#CCCCCC"> what he said</font> I<font color="#CCCCCC"> believe that it</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> was a lie and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">Kelsall had been in the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> unit and had in</font> fact<font color="#CCCCCC"> left DNA and maybe fingerprints</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font> that he was now trying<font color="#CCCCCC"> to cover up</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">fact</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> he had been inside</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the unit</font> when he'd<font color="#CCCCCC"> originally said that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> he hadn't</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">been so Kelso was arrested and taken to</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">North Sydney</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> police station</font> now under arrest Daniel<font color="#CCCCCC"> Kelsall refused</font> to answer any<font color="#CCCCCC"> more questions and</font> wouldn't even<font color="#E5E5E5"> confirm the details of the</font> conversation he'd had with<font color="#CCCCCC"> mark Jukes in</font> the supermarket<font color="#E5E5E5"> car park as detectives</font> hadn't recorded that exchange<font color="#CCCCCC"> Kelso's</font> version of events<font color="#E5E5E5"> was worthless as</font> evidence in any trial<font color="#E5E5E5"> despite this the</font> police pressed on<font color="#E5E5E5"> and continued the</font> search for clues he<font color="#E5E5E5"> wasn't charged that</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">not and was allowed to leave the police</font> station<font color="#CCCCCC"> but from</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that point onwards he</font> was our<font color="#CCCCCC"> primary suspect in relation to</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">the investigation that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> night a number of</font> search warrants<font color="#CCCCCC"> were executed</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> on his</font> home address<font color="#E5E5E5"> as well as his place of</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">employment the city cooking school</font> during<font color="#CCCCCC"> the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> search warrant and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> an</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> ordered</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">of the knives that were retained at the</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">sydney cooking school it was identified</font> that one<font color="#E5E5E5"> particular knife was missing</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> this knife was unaccounted</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> for for</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">the missing knife the police rescue</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">squad was brought in we noticed them</font> here one day and they had ladders searching roofs<font color="#E5E5E5"> they</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> were</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> lifting</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> up</font> drains<font color="#E5E5E5"> they were searching everywhere</font> even<font color="#CCCCCC"> with dogs looking for that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> missing</font> knife but it was never<font color="#E5E5E5"> recovered police</font> executed a search warrant at<font color="#CCCCCC"> his place</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">and seized a number of items</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of clothing</font> and a shoulder bag which he invariably had with him and<font color="#E5E5E5"> which he'd had with him</font> and<font color="#E5E5E5"> had over</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> his</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> shoulder when he was</font> being<font color="#E5E5E5"> interviewed by</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the police did you</font> have a bag<font color="#CCCCCC"> with you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and it's that</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">particular bag so that's I sorry what is</font> it<font color="#CCCCCC"> Phillips</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> Fox with a was</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> itself</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">African descent the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> world cup</font> that's his evidence the visa<font color="#E5E5E5"> it's a year</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> what happen and do you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> recall what</font> you<font color="#CCCCCC"> would</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> have had in that particular</font> I would have had apron<font color="#E5E5E5"> yes</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> my box yugioh</font> trading cards<font color="#CCCCCC"> over here what sorry you</font> do<font color="#CCCCCC"> trading cuts trading card game and</font> that<font color="#E5E5E5"> would be it I might have had</font> another<font color="#CCCCCC"> net shoulder bag was examined</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and there were a couple of stains which</font> were revealed<font color="#CCCCCC"> to be Morgan Huxley his</font> blood so<font color="#E5E5E5"> Daniel Kelso was so brazen</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> he</font> was prepared to<font color="#CCCCCC"> take</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that same shoulder</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">bag to the police interview to be</font> questioned by detectives who were investigating<font color="#CCCCCC"> a murder that they'd</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">strongly suspected he had committed</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font> case against Daniel<font color="#CCCCCC"> castle received</font> further traction when yet more results arrived from<font color="#E5E5E5"> the forensic science labs</font> the compelling scientific evidence really fell into two to three discrete pieces of evidence each of which<font color="#E5E5E5"> pointed to Daniel Kelso</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">having been in Morgan Huxley's flat and</font> in his room round<font color="#E5E5E5"> about the time that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> he</font> was stabbed to death<font color="#E5E5E5"> the first was the</font> discovery of stains on his shoulder bag the second was the discovery of a fingerprint of<font color="#E5E5E5"> Daniel</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> cosel's</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> on the</font> bedroom<font color="#CCCCCC"> door woman's bedroom</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and the</font> third was some<font color="#E5E5E5"> foreign DNA located on</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">Morgan Huxley's penis which then was</font> matched<font color="#E5E5E5"> with Daniel cosel's DNA</font> the DNA<font color="#E5E5E5"> evidence proved that there had</font> been sexual contact between Daniel<font color="#E5E5E5"> Kelso</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and Morgan Huxley and the suggestion</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">from Kelsall that this was</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> consensual</font> activity<font color="#E5E5E5"> was really described as</font> fanciful<font color="#E5E5E5"> by the prosecution in this case</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">because Morgan Huxley was known to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> be</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> a</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">heterosexual man</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> a straight man and it</font> was<font color="#E5E5E5"> highly unlikely that he was going to</font> be engaging in sex with<font color="#E5E5E5"> another man</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> in</font> this situation<font color="#CCCCCC"> each one of them was was</font> a great piece<font color="#CCCCCC"> of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> evidence but in</font> conjunction<font color="#E5E5E5"> they didn't necessarily</font> point to<font color="#CCCCCC"> 10 York else'll being the</font> murderer<font color="#CCCCCC"> but they strongly suggested</font> that<font color="#CCCCCC"> he was there and there abouts</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> about</font> the time of<font color="#E5E5E5"> Morgan Huxley's death</font> interestingly what police didn't have <font color="#E5E5E5">was fingerprint evidence on the front</font> door<font color="#E5E5E5"> so it's curious as to how Daniel</font> Kelso was able to get<font color="#E5E5E5"> into the unit</font> without<font color="#E5E5E5"> actually touching the door or</font> perhaps<font color="#E5E5E5"> he he used so much of some other</font> method<font color="#CCCCCC"> to actually make his way inside</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">the front door</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> was unlocked</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> so it would</font> have been relatively<font color="#E5E5E5"> easy but he didn't</font> leave<font color="#E5E5E5"> fingerprint evidence there to</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">prove that it was him on the 8th of</font> October<font color="#E5E5E5"> 2013</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a month</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> after Huxley's</font> murder <font color="#CCCCCC">Daniel Castle was</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> read</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> he was taken</font> back<font color="#E5E5E5"> to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> north sydney police station he</font> declined to<font color="#E5E5E5"> be interviewed after seeking</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">advice from</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a solicitor and was charged</font> in<font color="#CCCCCC"> relation to the murder of Morgan</font> Huxley we went to the jail to speak to Daniel<font color="#E5E5E5"> Kelso and when we first arrived</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">we were in a</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> small room and we had to</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">obtain DNA from him we were just all</font> standing<font color="#E5E5E5"> around it</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> he said</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> up pardon the</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">pun</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> but</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you could cut the air with a</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">knife and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I'd I I don't think I even</font> responded I just looked at him<font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">thought you know that's like why</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> why</font> would<font color="#E5E5E5"> you</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> even</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> say</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that you know</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I knew</font> then that<font color="#E5E5E5"> yeah it was</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> just a game to him</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">you know he was it</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> was treating everyone</font> look they were fools someone<font color="#CCCCCC"> have</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> been stabbed with a</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> knife</font> 28 times and he's<font color="#E5E5E5"> making a reference</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to</font> a knife and I just<font color="#CCCCCC"> thought it was</font> callous and cold-hearted<font color="#E5E5E5"> despite the</font> pieces of the puzzle slowly falling<font color="#CCCCCC"> into</font> place<font color="#CCCCCC"> for</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> detectives the job was still</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">far from over</font> we don't stop investigating<font color="#CCCCCC"> just because</font> someone's arrested we continue to investigate<font color="#E5E5E5"> right up until the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> time they</font> go<font color="#E5E5E5"> to court and even</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> after</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> we conducted</font> a number<font color="#E5E5E5"> of search warrants on medical</font> professionals where we obtained various forms<font color="#E5E5E5"> of evidence</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> this evidence included</font> conversations<font color="#E5E5E5"> that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Daniel</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> castle had</font> with various doctors and psychiatrists <font color="#CCCCCC">they were quite remarkable</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> because</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> he</font> told both doctors in very<font color="#E5E5E5"> very similar</font> terms about<font color="#CCCCCC"> I think the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> word he himself</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">he</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> used was intrusive thoughts he had</font> about following some random stranger home one night<font color="#CCCCCC"> and stabbing him to death</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">which was almost a template for the</font> crime<font color="#E5E5E5"> that had been committed</font> there was no evidence<font color="#E5E5E5"> from any of the</font> medical records of Daniel Kelso<font color="#CCCCCC"> that he</font> had ever experienced any hallucinations <font color="#CCCCCC">like voices telling him to hurt someone</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">hearing</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> things seeing things</font> there was no indication he'd had any psychotic episode in<font color="#CCCCCC"> the past</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> just views</font> thoughts about some knives he'd expressed that view<font color="#CCCCCC"> when he'd seen</font> different specialists<font color="#E5E5E5"> this I</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> believe</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> was</font> a man who<font color="#E5E5E5"> was</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> in a rage wanted to be</font> violent<font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> he acted on it</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> not because</font> he<font color="#E5E5E5"> was psychotic</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> he was hearing somebody</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">telling him to do it</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> he wanted</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to do it</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and he did</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> it as</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the trial date loomed</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">experts probing into the psychology</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">Young Daniel Castle weren't prepared for</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">what they</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> would uncover when I met</font> Daniel Kelso and he was talking to<font color="#E5E5E5"> me</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">using words</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> such as care concern</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> worried</font> emotive type words his face was blank <font color="#E5E5E5">the whole time and there was just a</font> shiver down my spine<font color="#CCCCCC"> that this is a</font> dangerous<font color="#CCCCCC"> man</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and when I think</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> back to</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">all the serious cases and I've met</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">numerous individuals that are committed</font> murder<font color="#E5E5E5"> and when I think back</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to</font> interviewing<font color="#E5E5E5"> Daniel Kelso</font> there was a coldness<font color="#E5E5E5"> and a a real fear</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">for my</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> own life when I left that room</font> [Music] Daniel<font color="#CCCCCC"> Kelsall was facing a trial</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">charged with murdering Morgan Huxley in</font> a Sydney suburb of<font color="#E5E5E5"> neutral Bay in 2013</font> but even before his day in court <font color="#E5E5E5">Castle state of mind would come</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> under</font> scrutiny<font color="#CCCCCC"> I was asked by</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the prosecution</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">to undertake an assessment of a Daniel</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">Castle</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> when I saw him he was in prison</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and had been charged with the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> murder of</font> Morgan Huxley he struck<font color="#CCCCCC"> me immediately</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">as a very intelligent young</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> man who knew</font> exactly<font color="#E5E5E5"> what he was doing</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and he was</font> prepared for the interview<font color="#CCCCCC"> and the</font> assessment process<font color="#CCCCCC"> he was</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> very</font> articulate<font color="#E5E5E5"> at the commencement of our</font> interview saying<font color="#E5E5E5"> I've been diagnosed</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">with Asperger's I have autism</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I have</font> a lot of compulsive behaviors repetitive routines <font color="#E5E5E5">I don't like mixing with</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> people</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and he</font> proceeded<font color="#CCCCCC"> to tell me</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> very much the</font> diagnostic criteria<font color="#E5E5E5"> of autism in other</font> words the reason<font color="#CCCCCC"> why I'm like I am</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font> he told me<font color="#E5E5E5"> about his history</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of</font> depression<font color="#E5E5E5"> and the different medications</font> he'd taken<font color="#E5E5E5"> and that they really weren't</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">too sure if it was bipolar as well and</font> so<font color="#E5E5E5"> he had a difficult mental health</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">history</font> Daniel told us when he started<font color="#E5E5E5"> that he</font> suffers from<font color="#E5E5E5"> a form of Asperger's</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> he</font> would always say<font color="#CCCCCC"> the same</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> thing</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> over to</font> you like<font color="#CCCCCC"> a record-high how was your day</font> are you<font color="#E5E5E5"> okay sort of thing you know or</font> how was your day<font color="#CCCCCC"> I was like</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> oh great no</font> problems<font color="#E5E5E5"> but he would say that over and</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">over</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> again throughout the day it's very</font> unusual to<font color="#E5E5E5"> interview an offender that</font> will give you this<font color="#CCCCCC"> background from the</font> moment you meet them<font color="#E5E5E5"> so I got</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the</font> impression<font color="#E5E5E5"> he was very much trying</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to</font> convince me this is a symptom of my disorder however<font color="#CCCCCC"> as I proceeded to</font> interview him his his eye contact was very piercing<font color="#CCCCCC"> he wasn't concerned about</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">looking at you straight in the eye</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> which</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">is quite</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> unusual for anyone</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> with autism</font> they're quite reluctant to give you that <font color="#E5E5E5">eye contact</font> obviously I thought that he was strange <font color="#E5E5E5">and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that during the investigation</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> he was</font> playing games<font color="#CCCCCC"> trying</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> seek attention</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">and but but overall I didn't think there</font> was anything<font color="#E5E5E5"> wrong</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> with him you've</font> indicated that you have autism<font color="#E5E5E5"> is</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that</font> correct<font color="#E5E5E5"> yes</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> what what do</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> mind what</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">sort</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> it's it hasn't been</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> classified</font> because<font color="#E5E5E5"> it was</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> caught so late on in</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> life</font> that<font color="#E5E5E5"> I've already adjusted to having it</font> it<font color="#E5E5E5"> hasn't I haven't taken any concrete</font> tests<font color="#E5E5E5"> by mind my psychologist</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I have</font> seen a psychologist<font color="#CCCCCC"> and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> he has</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I've been</font> diagnosed<font color="#CCCCCC"> with this I don't actually</font> know what specific<font color="#CCCCCC"> label on</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font> reporters and scale it is but it does <font color="#E5E5E5">and paint some functioning and everyday</font> life<font color="#E5E5E5"> like what I tell</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> balance</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that's</font> right I can't tell measurement of any kind<font color="#E5E5E5"> so measurement</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of time measurement</font> of objects<font color="#CCCCCC"> in any type of measurement I</font> can't<font color="#E5E5E5"> instinctively tell he's not</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> there</font> so I can't like a pinch of salt I just<font color="#E5E5E5"> I can't do continue like same</font> pinch of salt so you asked me to<font color="#CCCCCC"> to two</font> adventures<font color="#E5E5E5"> assault they will not be the</font> same<font color="#E5E5E5"> you asked me to guess your</font> measurement<font color="#CCCCCC"> I would</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> not be able to at</font> all<font color="#CCCCCC"> I wouldn't be able</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to say you're</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">about this</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> high</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> because I just</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> tell</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> dr.</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">Susan Pullman who</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> assessed Daniel</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">Kelsall in custody really</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> solved</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> through</font> him he had been assessed by a<font color="#E5E5E5"> number of</font> doctors<font color="#E5E5E5"> over the years and there were a</font> number<font color="#CCCCCC"> of diagnoses</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of several different</font> conditions but really she was<font color="#E5E5E5"> able to</font> get to the nub<font color="#CCCCCC"> of the fact that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> Daniel</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">Kelso knew exactly what he was doing</font> so I undertook an assessment of<font color="#CCCCCC"> him as</font> part<font color="#E5E5E5"> of trying to understand his</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">thinking and and did he fit this pattern</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> having very poor social understanding</font> of people's emotions<font color="#E5E5E5"> and thoughts</font> because with autism they can have difficulty<font color="#E5E5E5"> reading people's</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> emotions and</font> understanding what someone<font color="#E5E5E5"> is thinking</font> Daniel Kelso had very good understanding <font color="#E5E5E5">of what</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> people were doing and what they</font> were thinking he also proceeded to tell<font color="#CCCCCC"> me</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that he's</font> got different<font color="#E5E5E5"> compulsions different</font> repetitive<font color="#E5E5E5"> behaviors like I take my</font> glasses<font color="#E5E5E5"> off and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I have to tap the side</font> of my glasses each time I take<font color="#E5E5E5"> them off</font> and put<font color="#CCCCCC"> them back on so I noticed that</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">during</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> our interview which lasts at some</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">times that he took his</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> glasses off</font> several<font color="#E5E5E5"> times and not once</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> did</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> he tap</font> the side of them as he said he<font color="#CCCCCC"> would</font> always do<font color="#E5E5E5"> it was part of his compulsive</font> behavior when looking at<font color="#E5E5E5"> Daniel</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> castles</font> mental health yes he was socially awkward<font color="#CCCCCC"> but</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> well you</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> know there's a big</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">jump from being socially awkward to</font> dreaming of murdering someone<font color="#E5E5E5"> to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> they're</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">naturally fulfilling that dream we often</font> feel<font color="#CCCCCC"> that when somebody commits such a</font> heinous crime like<font color="#E5E5E5"> Daniel</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Kelso</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">they must</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> be mentally</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> ill</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> why would you</font> do this<font color="#CCCCCC"> what motivates somebody</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to stab</font> someone so many times what for he didn't know this man he was a stranger<font color="#E5E5E5"> why kill someone so</font> viciously like that for what reason<font color="#E5E5E5"> this</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">was not a mental illness before I did</font> this program<font color="#CCCCCC"> I spoke to a number of</font> colleagues<font color="#E5E5E5"> about should I do this</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">because when this</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> young man does get out</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">will he commit a crime like that again</font> and<font color="#E5E5E5"> as it stands now</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I believe he bought</font> the psychological analysis of<font color="#E5E5E5"> Daniel</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">castle confirmed he was fit to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> stand</font> trial<font color="#E5E5E5"> despite</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the mounting weight of</font> evidence<font color="#E5E5E5"> against him</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> he confounded</font> police the press and the public by pleading not guilty to<font color="#CCCCCC"> the murder of</font> Morgan Huxley<font color="#CCCCCC"> I'm surprised</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that it went</font> to trial<font color="#E5E5E5"> I thought the the evidence that</font> we had was overwhelming<font color="#CCCCCC"> and I was</font> surprised that he pleaded not guilty to <font color="#E5E5E5">the murder</font> that's quite typical of those psychopathic traits they don't accept responsibility everything so everybody else's fault not theirs<font color="#E5E5E5"> and he doesn't</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">admit to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> anything</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I didn't do it I</font> didn't do it Daniel<font color="#CCCCCC"> counsels trial began at Sydney's</font> Supreme Court<font color="#E5E5E5"> in March of 2015 and from</font> the outset<font color="#CCCCCC"> he was at the very</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> center of</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">the media spotlight</font> Daniel Kelso was a pretty odd sort<font color="#E5E5E5"> of</font> character he was socially awkward introverted<font color="#E5E5E5"> and perhaps not used to</font> getting an awful lot of<font color="#CCCCCC"> attention from</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">people this trial</font> saw the eyes of<font color="#E5E5E5"> everyone in this</font> courtroom<font color="#CCCCCC"> and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> so many others who were</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">watching and listening at home their</font> attention and their gaze was<font color="#E5E5E5"> suddenly</font> focused<font color="#E5E5E5"> on this young man</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and in a</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">perverse sort of way he appeared to</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">enjoy it he wanted</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to be asked these</font> questions<font color="#E5E5E5"> he enjoyed being</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> in the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> paper</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">enjoyed being</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> photographed very</font> narcissistic<font color="#CCCCCC"> he looked it up</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> very</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">egotistical</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> he wanted to demonstrate</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> he was superior</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to everybody</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> else</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">he</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> is going</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to outsmart everybody else</font> early in the police<font color="#E5E5E5"> investigation</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> one</font> line<font color="#E5E5E5"> of inquiry focused on the personal</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">life of Morgan Huxley and whether it had</font> played a part<font color="#E5E5E5"> in his tragic death there</font> was<font color="#CCCCCC"> a lot of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> media interest</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> in this at</font> the time<font color="#CCCCCC"> a lot</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of it centered around</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">female friends of Morgan Morgan was a</font> popular attractive guy<font color="#E5E5E5"> you know and the</font> media portrayal of him<font color="#E5E5E5"> at the time</font> deeply<font color="#E5E5E5"> affected you know he's his family</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">the early press coverage of this case</font> was obviously<font color="#CCCCCC"> very hurtful to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the Huxley</font> family so much so that<font color="#CCCCCC"> it</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> was still on</font> their minds<font color="#E5E5E5"> at the end of the trial</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and</font> we know from the victim impact statements that<font color="#E5E5E5"> we heard in court that</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">it was still weighing heavily on them</font> that this idea<font color="#CCCCCC"> that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> Morgan Huxley was in</font> some way responsible for<font color="#E5E5E5"> his</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> own murder</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">based</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> on this theory which didn't turn</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">out</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to be true</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I had stuck with them and</font> they obviously believed that a perception of Morgan was out there from very<font color="#E5E5E5"> early on I think this case was a</font> real lesson<font color="#CCCCCC"> for the media that the way a</font> story is covered hurt those who<font color="#CCCCCC"> are</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> directly involved</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and</font> sometimes<font color="#CCCCCC"> that hurt doesn't</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> go</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> away</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> one</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">of the most notable moments of the trial</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">was when the defendant himself took the</font> stand<font color="#E5E5E5"> not all accused</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> people actually</font> give evidence<font color="#E5E5E5"> but</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> he chose to and he</font> needed<font color="#CCCCCC"> to because he</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> needed to give the</font> jury a version<font color="#CCCCCC"> that could be believable</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">to them to give them some doubt about</font> his guilt<font color="#CCCCCC"> of course he failed in that</font> aim<font color="#E5E5E5"> but when he was giving</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that evidence</font> and<font color="#CCCCCC"> of course he was he was questioned</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">by his own barrister and also the Crown</font> prosecutor in the<font color="#E5E5E5"> case he was really</font> trying to<font color="#E5E5E5"> give a version that the jury</font> could take away and somehow<font color="#E5E5E5"> believe it</font> was clear to<font color="#CCCCCC"> most people in the court</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> he was lying</font> particularly to members<font color="#E5E5E5"> of Morgan</font> Huxley's family and as some<font color="#E5E5E5"> of those</font> lives<font color="#E5E5E5"> were told there was the odd gasp</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">coming from the body of the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> court</font> Daniel Kelso's<font color="#CCCCCC"> defense at the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> time was</font> that<font color="#E5E5E5"> Morgan invited him back up to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the</font> unit and they where they participated in <font color="#E5E5E5">consensual sex when he said this it was</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">like when I spoke to him on</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the 26th of</font> September I didn't<font color="#E5E5E5"> believe one word that</font> he said that<font color="#E5E5E5"> and that it was a complete</font> fabrication and complete<font color="#E5E5E5"> lies I never</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">one stage believed him what he was</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">saying</font> the trial lasted<font color="#E5E5E5"> about two weeks and</font> after the jury had gone out<font color="#CCCCCC"> eventually</font> they came<font color="#E5E5E5"> back with</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> their verdict and</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">that verdict was</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> guilty which was an</font> enormous<font color="#CCCCCC"> relief to those who loved</font> Morgan Huxley for the murder<font color="#CCCCCC"> of Morgan</font> Huxley<font color="#E5E5E5"> Daniel</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Kelsall was sentenced to a</font> minimum of 30 years in<font color="#CCCCCC"> prison</font> if you ask me what I've learned<font color="#E5E5E5"> from a</font> crime like<font color="#E5E5E5"> this is that anyone's capable</font> of murder<font color="#CCCCCC"> you know</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it's just it just</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">seemed that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> he was the last person I'd</font> ever<font color="#E5E5E5"> expect because</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> his gentle nature</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">to be such a horrible you know</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> murderer</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">I've covered plenty of murder</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> trials</font> over the years and usually<font color="#E5E5E5"> it's a</font> situation<font color="#CCCCCC"> where the victim is known by</font> the accused<font color="#CCCCCC"> might be a family member it</font> might be someone who was involved<font color="#E5E5E5"> in</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">some sort of argument</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> or dispute prior</font> but the random<font color="#CCCCCC"> nature of this made it's</font> so unusual the fact<font color="#CCCCCC"> that it happened</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> in</font> a<font color="#E5E5E5"> fairly affluent part of Sydney</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> it</font> happened to someone<font color="#E5E5E5"> with no known</font> <font color="#CCCCCC">enemies little could he have imagined</font> that that brief interaction with Daniel Kelsall<font color="#E5E5E5"> in a convenience store</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> would see</font> him<font color="#CCCCCC"> ultimately pursued</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> followed stalked</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">all the way to his own home and</font> viciously stabbed<font color="#E5E5E5"> the one thing I will</font> say<font color="#E5E5E5"> about this murder and not that the</font> trial necessarily but the murder was that there's usually a<font color="#CCCCCC"> reason</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> there's</font> usually a motive<font color="#CCCCCC"> and this one was just</font> bizarre<font color="#CCCCCC"> not for the ferocity or the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font> brutality of it<font color="#CCCCCC"> unfortunately that</font> happens<font color="#CCCCCC"> a lot but just why</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font> randomness of it in my<font color="#E5E5E5"> twenty</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> years in</font> this field<font color="#CCCCCC"> having</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> met Daniel Kelso</font> having met hundreds of offenders<font color="#CCCCCC"> he's</font> the one offender that<font color="#E5E5E5"> I feel more than</font> <font color="#E5E5E5">anyone</font> [Music] [Music]
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