COURTROOM INSIDER | Lt. Ray Hermosillo and Madison Prosecutor Rob Wood speak out

[Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] good evening everybody it is Monday June 11th 2024 wrong June 10th 2024 hope you're having a good Monday I'm Nate Eaton this is courtroom Insider special edition tonight here in our studio where earlier I chatted with Lieutenant Ray hermo from the Rexburg Police Department Ray hermo and Madison County prosecuting attorney Rob wood uh we sat down it was their first in-depth interview about the daybell case since it all started over four years ago and um we talked about quite a bit had a great conversation with those two gentlemen and I'll play it for you tonight in full here in just a minute uh good to be with you kind of kind of an interesting Monday this is my first Monday back in Idaho Falls after the trial um there was one Monday Memorial day but it was a holiday and I went straight back to boisey last Monday the trial was technically over but I was in boisee interviewing jurors and next Monday I'll be back in boisee for a few more interviews that I'll have for you in connection to the case so it was nice to be here in The Newsroom nice to be um back in the office and I'm sure for if you were one of the you know two or three people that did not see this mug shot it finally came in Chad Dell's mug shot we got it Friday morning from the Idaho Department of Correction no idea why it took almost a week to get it but this is the mug uh we saw a little bit of smile there I guess you could say I don't know how would you interpret it but um he's in maximum security no word on how he's doing um but he's been there I guess a little over a week now Chad de Bell's new home the Idaho Department of Correction um I'm sure you as I mentioned have seen the mug shot we have not we every time we've seen Chad he's been pretty pretty shaved uh and then here he's got a a little bit of scruff but that is the mugshot that many many of you I know are talking about over the weekend now let's get to the interview so um I've wanted to talk with uh detective hereso for man since this all started in December of 2019 along with Rob wood in December of 2019 they of course you know haven't really done any media interviews at all because the the case was active it was ongoing the trial was coming up um robwood did hold a press conference in May of 2021 after the grand jury indicted both Chad and Lori and read through the indictment and basically announced that they were facing those murder charges and the conspiracy to commit murder it's crazy that that was three years ago also the timing of all of this just yesterday I was remembering that um four years ago yesterday is when they found JJ and Ty's bodies on De Bell's property we were up in the helicopter overhead had no clue what was going on down below we flew over once in the morning saw that they were taping off the yard with or the property with um like pink tape saw some dogs down there and realized that the focus was not on what was inside the house but whatever was in the backyard and then once we learned that human remains had been found there we flew up again over the property and this this point they had set up tents blue tents and um they had made that awful Discovery and that was four years ago yesterday so so in a way it feels like yesterday I'm sure it does to these guys too but in a way it feels like so long ago and now here we are Chad and Lori have gone on they've had their trials and um they've been found guilty and they're both serving their sentences so without uh me talking any much longer I'm going to jump right over into this interview heads up it's about 72 minutes we we talked for a while I wanted to go as in-depth as we could we probably could have talked four hours but we we had to go we couldn't stay all day uh and and maybe down the line there there'll hopefully be more interviews more information that comes out um as I said we just barely barely scratch the surface on this one but I appreciate both lieutenant hereso and um Rob wood coming in and chatting with me and being open to doing this interview um I do call detective herio Detective he was I'm he's still in my mind a detective because that's what he was when this case started but he's been promoted to Lieutenant and Rob wood has been promoted to Madison County prosecutor he's he's still a prosecutor it's good thing that this didn't drive him to quit uh I hope he doesn't anyway here we go rob Ray and Nate I'm Nate Eaton here in the East Idaho news.com Studios chatting today with Detective Ray hermo from the Rexburg police department and Madison County prosecuting attorney Rob wood I've waited four years to talk to you guys over four years it's been a while so you're going to tell all today I hope we'll see okay good probably not all but as much as we can get in here uh first of all how you feeling been a little about a week yeah you know I I just feel kind of uh kind of jet lag you know um but I feel great with with the verdict and having it done and over with um just slowly getting back into things yeah how about you rob yeah jetl that's a good way to say it that's kind of how I felt um I don't know yesterday I felt like I had a little more energy but yeah that that's an exhausting process so right but getting back into it I'm sure as the days go by too the energy will return once the routine comes back to normal although has there really been a routine for the past four and a half years I imagine there hasn't been a day where you all haven't at least thought about this case yeah for the last 4 and 1/2 years I mean we we really didn't work on it every day but it was always in the back of your mind on things we needed to get done and people we needed to talk to still and things that were still outstanding yeah what about you rob yeah I there certainly has not been a day the last four and a half years that it hasn't probably been the on the Forefront of of what I've been thinking about for sure so let's go back to November 2019 this all started with a Jeep right and with you of can the call goes to Fremont right and they say well the Jeep might actually be in Rexburg and they ask you to check it out right so I get a call from Fremont and they're talking about this Jeep that was possibly involved in a homicide in Gilbert um and so after I get off the phone um you know I go back to the police department let the other detectives know and and and yeah we started uh doing surveillance at that time um at Lor's apartment is that when you made the contact with Chad and Alex that or was that right after you found out about missing JJ so the the Jeep call was November 1st 2019 and I didn't make contact with Chad and Alex until November 26th of 2019 so it was about a month later and over the the the call for a missing child didn't actually come in until November 25th okay right and at the time the call came in did you know that it was associated with the Jeep kind of we knew about everything that happened in Gilbert and in Chandler at that point the shooting of Charles right things like that and so when Gilbert called on the 25th I knew they were looking for JJ down in Arizona because K hadn't talked to JJ for a while so they were going to check some places down there um and then when they weren't able to find JJ down there that's when they called on the 25th okay so Rober what point do you get involved because it's not like the police call you for everything they're responding to November 4th three days after the Jeep call can't so Ray came into my office to get a warrant for the Jeep it was the fourth right y yeah and uh I I'll never never forget it because I was sitting in I don't know that I'd call it the lobby the front area of our office working on a case that was actually pretty serious for us and uh and Ray comes in he's like you want to hear a crazy story you and and he had a he had a piece of paper with pictures of some of the people involved um and I remember there was a a picture of Ty that's actually kind of the thing that that sticks out to me the most from that I don't think JJ was on that though no um and so uh and he starts kind of going through this story and all to get to we need to get this warrant for Gilbert right was Tammy on there like had you put together the dots that chat um no I don't believe Tammy was on there it was just the circumstances down in Arizona and so they had all Arizona stuff all the players there and the Jeep and who was supposedly driving the jeep and who was ready to so we had all the the pictures um and they kind of told me a little bit about the story with Charles and the story with Brandon and so when I went to get the warrant from Rob we kind of started talking about it I'm like man this is kind of a crazy thing little did we know it was going to get even crazier right and uh well so then so we helped get the warrant and I and I think we talked about it a couple times in passing and then I think we had to renew the warrant um but then yeah November 25th he comes and he's like this just got crazier there's a missing kid that's when Kay had reached out to you all that's when Kay had reached out to Gilbert and then Gilbert called us and said hey do me a favor um just see if if there's a little boy there by the name of JJ valow and so the next morning it was a it was a later evening call so the next morning myself and uh detective Dave hope went to Lor's place and that's when you had the encounter with Chad for the first time yes and Alex right and what was that like did you know he was lying right away you know I knew what Alex was suspected of doing down in Arizona um and and to be quite honest it was a weird feeling talking with Alex and I remember thinking and and looking at him and he was just staring he had that thousand yard stare that made me feel uncomfortable and when I was talking to him he would keep taking a couple steps toward me and you know I'm like okay well just take a couple steps back and I'd take a couple steps back but it was just it was a weird feeling talking with Alex knowing what he had done in Arizona at that time but initially yeah I knew they were lying to me because you knew that Chad had married Lori right and and that Alex and didn't they both say they didn't have her cell phone number yes yeah okay then you got to go back to Rob and ask for a warrant to go in the house right yeah well and in between that was when Ron ball and Dave stubs Kell weton go over and get that that video now that everybody's seen uh when she talks about Alex being her protector her friend Chad um but yeah then so as soon as I got done talking with Alec and Chad I called Ron ball who was my lieutenant at the time and I said Ron there is something going on with this missing little boy I'm getting lied to their demeanor your gut tells you there's something more going on and so that's when him him uh he grabbed Dave stubs and Dave thank goodness grabbed the body cam and they came over there yeah so you go back to Rob Rob what are you thinking so um they come back to me and say they say she's with a friend in Arizona and we're going to check and see um and I I can't remember if they got back to me later that night or very first thing no it was later that night later that night later that night that he's not with her um um yeah and at this point I was just like this is really strange this is really really strange um so we we got up we might have I'm trying to remember when we applied for those warrants it might have been that night or very first thing the next like very first thing the next morning um yeah I can't remember that actually I guess I could go back and look but but quickly very quickly very quickly we got those warrants next morning but then you all went back and they were gone right that very nextly that very next morning on the 27th after we got the warrants we were in his office really early in the morning waiting for the warrants we got the warrants that morning okay um makesense and then we went and and served the uh search warrant and that's when we found that they had left so that gets more creepy got a lot more strange for sure so we were thinking you know what is going on and in the back of our minds we know what's going on in Arizona and so um because we knew what was going on in Arizona Ron ball uh made a phone call to the FBI and said you know this this little boy may be are in Arizona he may be here um but we're going to need some assistance and then it went kind of quiet at least well at this point it's not public right the the word's not out about the kids at what point do you decide to go public with this um well you know so we we start working with the FBI uh and they kind of have their I guess guidelines and protocols for how they do these things and uh we were I said we law enforcement was looking for for JJ and I by the time it went public we knew that no one had seen Ty for a while too and that's I think it was December 19th yeah that we um pushed out a a press release and that was if I recall correctly at the the FBI was saying this is what you should do and uh so yeah December 19th we pushed that out and when we got that we knew something was up because normally police press releases are like short sometimes there's typos no offense I mean sometimes sometime it's not the most you know crafted document right this was like a page and a half two pages with the pictures and then no one knew who these kids were in Rexburg right so Nate as soon as they fled and we went back to the office and it was nonstop working phone calls we were on conference calls with Arizona FBI in Arizona Gilbert Police Chandler um Fremont got involved because we kind of knew what was going on with Tammy's situation and Chad um so it was nonstop 12 13-hour days from November 27th when we served the warrant and that continued on but when we went public is after we had started piecing everything together through those conference calls and we knew something yeah something wasn't right so so that's when we went in public looking for the assistance of everybody else to see if we can find these kids and I remember the release came out on a Friday and then the next day the release came out with Chad and Lor's pictures and between that Friday night into Saturday we were getting all sorts of tips of about Tammy and the Char and everything like that and then someone says they're in Hawaii and you all found out that they were in Hawaii I believe it came out in the trial because of you were able to track their phones that and tips as well through the hot lines that we had set up so those of us you know watching all this now might think run over to Hawaii and arrest them you know until they talk obviously you can't do that so what's happening behind the scenes as far as the strategy of trying to figure this out well I'd say at first the strategy was just looking everywhere to find the kids right that was that was the number one priority um and as more information was coming out I think we put out another um press release within a week uh I can't remember the exact date I'd have to go back and look but I remember we said in there we have reason to believe these children are in danger um and I remember that that's a big thing to put into a press release actually so a lot of thought actually went into into that press release um hoping to get some attention to find you know to find these kids and um so we're going through that and uh yeah like say you don't just arrest people um but we find out there in Hawaii and so several law enforcement officers and I went over to Hawaii um I actually at first I wasn't planning on going and the prosecutor in kauwaii at the time requested that I go over to help with the the legal process on the all the paperwork uh the warrants the search warrants things like that so that's why I was there um and you had just become prosecutor right Rob right you'd been Deputy I had been the deputy up until January 1st and that was when I was appointed uh my predecessor had retired one year with one year left of his term so yeah um just become at that time the appointed excuse me the appointed prosecutor and then next thing you know we're going to Hawaii to look for two missing kids did you all think they were alive absolutely at that point I I did and I think we all did I think we we kind of figured that you know there was some strange religious uh belief because by then we had I had uh spoken with melan palowski budro now um Ian had come in to the police department and kind of gave the background of this whole crazy belief system of zombies and uh you know everything that Chad was teaching Melanie Gibb had come in at that point to Arizona and had massive interviews that gave a lot of information so we had all that information we're still looking and we're yeah we still believe the kids were alive just maybe stashed away somewhere in a bunker or at somebody's house um but I think all of us at that time believe the kids were still alive you did Rob I hoped they were alive yeah um I don't I don't I don't know what I believed at that point um you know you're I I remember the day when we did the search warrants uh at Lor's apartment there was just kind of a a strange feeling so but yeah like we we were absolutely operating as if they were alive I hope they were alive um yeah I mean we didn't have at that point really any evidence that they weren't right so you treat it as if they are and and hoped so it came out um during the trial when they would play these recordings the when Ian was wearing the the recording device your name was mentioned they were talking about you right yeah and that and that was kind of weird to hear your name and to hear them talk about how we're going to get heral to stop and kind of being the focus of what they don't want they don't want me there and and knowing already that I was deemed dark and a zombie kind of played into the I wonder if if Alex is going to do something and so you know I would I would tell my family to take different routes home um go around the block a couple times to make sure we weren't being followed so it you know up until that point yeah it was kind of it was kind of weird to hear yourself being talked about like that were you worried for your safety yeah yeah I mean you you're always worried for your safety as a cop right um but when you hear that you're a zombie in this crazy belief system and you're part of that and they've labeled you dark and their job is to at that point what we understood was take zombies out yeah I I I was worried for sure you guys think they're alive you decide you're going to go to Hawaii but you have to be careful right the timing to go over there is that what the thought was well I think once we realized they were there that started moving to get over there um fairly quickly I mean it may have taken us a little bit of time to get over there but uh I mean fairly quickly and and that's around the same time I I don't know if you were about to say something don't want to interrupt you um uh having kind of strategy sessions with law enforcement with uh um other prosecutors in my office we decided to do a a Child Protection action and that's one of the one of the main reasons we went over to Hawaii was to serve that honor and and provide her with an order to produce the children um so that there was actually quite a bit of research that went into that uh to try to figure out how you could somehow legally yeah yeah like and that order said what it it ordered her to produce her children within 5 days of receipt of the order um and you know you can't just you don't just we couldn't just do that to any random person right you've got to have a reason but with the fact that the children were missing the fact that Chad laori and were were in Hawaii and we weren't getting tips of the children being in Hawaii um and all the attendant circumstances uh we felt like it was justified and the judge felt like it was justified and so we yeah we got that order to produce the children um which she didn't comply with right I want to back up before you went over there Alex dies oh yeah there's so many so many things here so you're in the middle of the investigation Tammy's exhumed December 11th I believe Alex dies December 12 do you do you remember where you were when you found out he died yeah I I was I was actually in my bedroom talking to agent Ricky Wright and um we were trying to coordinate doing um knock and talks throughout the complex for all the residents that lived in the apartments and and I received a call from uh detective pillar with Gilbert and he said you're never going to believe where I'm at and he was at the hospital and told me that Alex had died and I and I just thought how can this get any crazier and I had a sensory Lea too because you know the the so-called hit man that was doing all these killings um he's gone so it's a sense of relief um but at the same time you're like what else is going to happen this was all in a span of a couple weeks mhm we're finding these things out from the kids missing to the zombies to Tammy being exuded Alex dies we just I remember looking at Rob and Ron and like what is going on it it was crazy well I remember the I remember exactly where I was standing I was right outside the door to my office and it's funny I remember where I was standing I don't remember who told me that Alex died it was probably you um but I first my first thought was like they kill him um that was just the first I just remember the first thought that came to my head but um yeah and like he said there's just all this information I was like drinking from a water hose do you a crazy water hose a crazy non-stop water hose for four years did what do you think about Alex's death I mean I I I'll say this I know Gilbert did a thorough job and and Maricopa did a thorough job on the autopsy just because they knew all the circumstances surrounding it so they want to be very careful they want yeah they wanted to look at everything um when we found out it was natural you know I it's just it's so crazy how is that natural you know with everything going on I don't know maybe it's divine intervention I don't know I I still don't know it still is hard to process that that was a natural death in my mind yeah yeah I mean doing prosecution or law enforcement you know you have to follow your evidence right and so we know what the evidence of it says it's a natural death it I think that's a good way to say it though it's kind of hard to process it like that but crazier things have happened well so there's this twist he dies you end up in Hawaii the the order is given to her by the pool we've seen the video and then was it that day or the next day that her and Chad get in the car and they're pulled over by Kawaii police and the car is seized anyway it was sometime in that day or so and was that the original plan to have them pulled over there at the resort and take the car or that wasn't the original plan um we were going to do a search warrant there at at the residents and and then somebody said they're on the Move we didn't know if they were leaving the island we didn't know where they were going and so the decision was made to to just put a traffic stop on him and and then U yeah that's how that kind of kicked off is that the first time you had seen Chad and Lori in person no we had been doing you that's right yeah you had but probably for me but um you know I'm not a I'm not a cop so I kept my distance right but yeah I think that was the first time I saw them in person what was that like seeing them there obviously you were probably hoping they'd say something yeah we kind of kept our I I stayed back and let Kawaii PD do their thing right um we didn't want to get in the way cuz we were just there observing and assisting them with whatever they needed so I I kind of stayed back and I think I spoke to you a little bit um but but it was it was odd just to see them kind of just enjoying life and really not care in the world they didn't seem concerned they didn't seem worried that they were going to get into trouble um so it was it was weird to see them that way yeah so then she doesn't produce the kids in five days and I remember that day because people were driving by the Department of Health and Welfare like residents just slowly driving by to see if she might show up then what do you have then you have to plan the next stage so yeah and um to me uh that is still one of the most um I think pivotal moments in kind of the history of of the of the case uh yeah so we're like What do we do you know are we at that point we had a potential the first thought was like we've got a potential misdemeanor contemp of Court you know it's going to be hard to extradite someone from Hawaii um on a misdemeanor mhm and I I had gone to a Idaho Prosecuting attorneys association meeting like I think it was a week after and uh sitting there with my Deputy Spencer raml not listening at all to the conference because which're like what what what do we do what what's going on and remember I for some reason I was looking through jury instructions for something and I saw the jury instructions for abandonment of a child and I was like oh yeah that's a law uh because we just it hardly ever gets charged it's it's like the uh I've heard a lot of people call it the dead beat dad statue M and that's generally where you think of it is a parent who abandons their family but everybody knows where the family is and they know where the parent is and they're not providing any type of financial or any other type of support uh so those issues usually now get taken care of in Family Court uh but it it's a valid statute still on the books uh totally valid um and uh so I I go to the statute and I was like we meet these elements like this this matches uh and it's it's a felony and it like yeah I remember just looking that like this totally matches up this is completely an abandonment case if she had if she won't produce those children uh because they're not we know they're not with them um we had started getting warrants for finances cuz like well maybe they're maybe these kids are just somewhere else and they're sending the money to take care of them sure uh and so that part of the case actually a lot of that Finance work got worked out very quickly uh detective Chuck canius from Rexburg was on it uh FBI Mike Douglas he was on it uh so a lot of that Finance work they did really early on in the case regarding the abandonment charges um we still though I remember we went over and spoke with the Ada County prosecutor Jan Bennett about it because it was like well this is I mean that at this point it's a nationwide story mhm uh everybody wants to know where the kids are um and so we we wanted to be really careful and do it right right uh but yeah so that's what we ended up doing we filed those abandonment charges um and that was to me uh a huge decision um we we never file felonies lightly anyway on anybody but especially this with all the media attention um that was a huge decision for us uh but I I really do feel like the fact that we did that and then she got arrested and extradited um everyone was already working so hard but then I was like okay now we're going to have to have a preliminary hearing we never ended up having a preliminary hearing on that case uh but we thought we would and so we just everybody just spun up putting in all this time and effort um and it was yeah it was really intense filing that was to me really really intense mhm she's brought back and she's appears in court for the first time but as but the night before when uh everyone's waiting for her to arrive if you looked outside the window of your office there's media all well I I was there that night and I remember walking out and there's like uh multiple media van out there and yeah so then she appears in court and I've never seen a courthouse like that with that many people and people started lining up with wear the kid shirts right and uh it was it was crazy I mean really there was there was a definite interest in this but you all kind of have to be careful to protect your investigation too we're the ones that are hounding you for information and we're the ones that are like come on tell us more how how do you have that balance with putting that out out there but still I'm at the airport trying to ask her questions you know n we we worked nonstop and and several different people getting warrants for everything and and talking with people in Arizona and um the FBI and so we were kind of worried that something was going to leak out right I mean there's so many people involved and and everybody that was part of that really did a a phenomenal job of keeping sensitive material quiet um and so we wanted to give information to the media we wanted help from the media but like you said it's kind of a balance and and that was a a case that I had never experienced anything like it and I know Rob hasn't either and hopefully we never do again right I mean my wife got a call from a major News Network on her cell phone and my son who I think was 16 at the time he got called by a major News Network um it it was it was it was insane everybody kept the Integrity of the case which is super important yeah and and I think we did a a pretty good job with getting information out but not too much information yeah the I think the day she came back is when the FBI put out the pictures from Yellowstone or was that week did you all think that maybe something had happened in Yellowstone with the kids up up to this point well go ahead and S me you know I didn't we didn't know we didn't know I know when she didn't produce the children that's when a lot of the thoughts of maybe we're going to find these kids alive I think kind of shifted mhm because it if she's going to sit in jail over these kids not being there if it's just a religious thing you know if she didn't do like a FaceTime video or some type of proof of life and she's sitting in jail there's a reason because the kids aren't alive so I think that's for law enforcement a lot of law enforcement where it shifted I when we found out she was arrested when knew they had arrested her well you were there when she was rested correct and my first thought was I kind of looked at my watch and I was like 24 hours if these kids are alive we're going to know in 24 hours and it got 24 hours and I thought maybe 72 and then after that to me um I just thought she's not going to sit in jail yeah you know I mean it was possible still and I think everyone still hoped but it the fact that she gets trans extra Ed is going through these proceedings in Idaho all she had to do at that point to end that case would be produce the kids and that um so that yeah the thought shifted meanwhile Chad's out and moves back to Idaho and uh people are sending us tips daily he was he bought a new car or he was it Costa vaita or things like that are you're keeping an eye on him I'm sure but you can him again at this point you can't just throw him in jail and say where are the kids right he didn't he didn't have a legal responsibility for the children um he he had no there's you know never there was never a anything giving him custody over those kids so and we know now that you got to listen to all the phone calls well uh not just me but several of us yeah I mean we were still doing the behind the scenes getting warrants um talking to people trying to figure out where these kids are right and then we have now Lor's in custody and so we're still watching Chad Chad's back so we're doing surveillance on Chad and then we have to start listening to phone calls and they talked multiple multiple times a day and so for one person just to do that it was kind of given out to all the investigators for a long time they were talking cuz we you I know you played part of a call they they spoke Nate every day multiple times a day from the time she was arrested and put in Madison County until the day he was arrested mhm multiple times a day for hours on end but they were careful about what they said they were careful you can tell they were talking in code a lot of time um and so you're trying to figure that out we're going off the The Limited knowledge we had for everything um so we're just still at that point trying to figure out what in the heck is going on and then are you waiting for evidence to come back too from the FBI like the cell phone casting and tracking yeah um there was there I mean there's so many so many warrants out and it's just that constant Gathering um and so I'm trying to think of when we really started looking at the cast report that wasn't until a bit later MH um I mean at that time I think we were still hoping to find a device or number or account that had janner Lor's geolocation data uh but we never never found location data for either of them for Chad or Lori yeah turned off there was there were a few devices found in that apartment and and so when you write Wars to Google it takes forever mhm and so you're you're waiting for returns and in the meantime you're doing other thing so um yeah we weren't able to put everything together we're just getting bits and pieces and trying to put them on boards and papers and spreadsheets and you know we knew about all these burner phones and phone numbers so you're writing warrants to Verizon or AT&T or whoever that phone is through trying to get something we never like Rob said we never did get anything on chat Lori just Alex so at what point do you put it all together and think okay it's the backyard by the fire pit and by the tree I know it came out that Alex obviously pinged them his phone was there Samantha told you all that when you asked about the pet cemetery I don't remember who testified to this that she said oh yeah it's it's here in the backyard like how do you put it all together and do you remember that moment was it one moment or um well I know for me when it crystallized I'd say is uh I was actually over at my parents house it's like I think it was the Tuesday after Memorial Day and I get a call from Ron and Ry saying we need to meet we've we have something urgent and I I don't know why this sticks in my mind I remember we met in the parking lot kind of like the Rick be Andress law firm and I was like why don't we just go to my office I don't know why um and so we go to my office and uh yeah we what had happened uh the real kind of push was Ben Dean the FBI analyst who found that uh the text the raccoon text from Chad to Tammy and um and at that point I I think we reached out to Ricky Wright from the FBI we knew that he had taken a lot of the or he had a lot of those uh geolocation a lot of that geolocation data mapped and we were like where for for the Homer J Maximus Alex Cox count so where was he on uh September 9th yeah and then we confirm you know you should really be tell telling this because you did this work you know I just wanted to give credit to benine like yeah that was a huge text to find and and a lot of people could have looked right over that and there were like how 300,000 tests I mean just and and to to Ben's credit that was huge and then and then you couple that with Ricky wri's um work with the geolocations and and plotting and dotting every little spot and then you put those things together and and that's what I wanted to emphasize is just the amount of investigative work that went went into this and the communication between so many different people is what put that together if if they weren't talking or if they weren't paying attention to every little detail I I don't know as if we would have ever really found that that soon so um yeah there was just so many moving pieces and for that to happen and kind of put everything together was was awesome so the raccoon text comes in you you get that you talk to Samantha she tells you where the pet cemetery is and then who makes it and the other thing in the meantime there was an interview with Ron and Ray and I was there with Melanie Gib and David Warwick and and I don't know if they had said it before but uh they talked about um with JJ cuz when when we got the the September 9th one Ricky also sent stuff for the last weekend JJ had been scene and and I remember then talking about Lori saying well I sent him with Alex sent JJ with Alex and so at that point we had two spots of interest in the yard the pet cemetery and over by the tree and and all of that went into that search warrant m and we took uh we wanted it to be a really really solid probable cause affidavit that would withstand any scrutiny and it it was I think uh put a lot of work into that that search warrant the application for it and there was a lot of logistics we had to work out we had we had people over from Boise for surveillance um we had been planning that warrant for weeks and meeting and you know getting uh the ER from Salt Lake up for that warrant there was a lot that went into that and a lot of sleepless nights wondering okay is this it is this where the kids are going to be um you know where do we go from here if there's nothing because at that point that that was where every where the evidence was showing and so you're thinking about all that and and still trying to do everything it was it was a stressful it was couple weeks very stressful and I remember having the conversation with you like would he have would they have buried them there and if he had surely he's moved them by now MH I remember thing that surely if even if he did hopefully we'll find some evidence of that if that's what happened but there's until that day I kept thinking there's no way they'd still be there and and Nate we we kind of tracked when we were talking about Alex's geolocation he was all over the place mhm so I remember going out to the desert with Ron ball and kind of walking the desert where his phone was where Chad or excuse me Alex's phone was so there was locations everywhere that we were looking and so we had tracked all these down walking aimlessly through the desert just looking for something wow and so when we got that it's like okay is another dry hole is another dead end or or is this going to be it so just the pins and needles of knowing whether this is it or not yeah and I mean there were multiple points of data though pointing to that um in the meantime I I think they were they were starting to organize a search to go up through Yellowstone MH um because that's the last place we you know Ty had been seen and I me there was there was just there was a lot going on so that morning comes you go to the house you know you you and several others walked us through in the trial the the events of that morning um when you talked with Chad or when you first when were you first aware that Chad was nervous so when we served Chad with a warrant that morning um I remember him sitting on the recliner his kids are on the couch um still it's early they're eating breakfast he's sitting in the rec recliner reading the warrant and I'm and I remember telling Ron we're going to know real quick if the kids are here based on his facial expressions and his body language when he's reading through this and it didn't change and I looked at Ron I'm like are we even in the right spot and I got discouraged instantly got discouraged because I was expecting a different response and it wasn't until he went outside and asked to make a phone call and sat in his car and started looking over his right shoulder towards the pond area that that Ron and I kind of looked at each other and said maybe we're on the right track so it was a mix of emotions that morning for sure and when the first sign of um JJ was found what did did word just spread among all the investigators there um yeah everybody in the backyard was kind of doing their own thing that they were tasked to do and a bunch of us were over under the tree where JJ was found and once JJ was found I think everybody kind of stopped working on everything else and came over um and and that was when it kind of hit yeah that we had finally found him and what about when tyy was found we knew if JJ was there Ty was there somewhere and so you know the ERT team did a great job with kind of mapping everything out and sectioning things off and and then when Tyle was finally found it was you know a a sense of relief but a lot of emotion a lot of emotion that morning yeah and meanwhile you're you're hearing this you're hearing that they so yeah when when the warrant was initially served I had gone out um with everybody first thing in the morning and just kind of was sitting in my car um and then I uh started getting phone calls from attorneys went back in to Rexburg I had some things I had to do um for some other cases that morning and I was driving back out and I kind of remember just like kind of just had this feeling like I just they're going to find something and uh and Ron ball called he uh he said we I think we found JJ um at that point they had just barely uncovered the plastic and so I went out and Yeah watched as they uh uncover JJ um and uh I that was that was a really heavy heavy moment um relieved to know where he is but you you felt a lot of different emotions you felt anger you felt belief confusion um you know why would they do this to this little boy yeah just so much but then then Nate you have to bury that and still work and still get him out of the ground and still continue throughout the day and and I think that was the hardest for everybody was was still trying to do that because we all have kids and and when you when you're faced with that it's just kind of a nobody's ever I mean we're trained as police officers prosecutors you're going to see that kind of stuff but when you first see it like that um it kind of hit you MH and then and then at that point that's when we were told that Chad was fleeing Emma's house yeah what' you think then where do you think he was going I don't think anybody really knew yeah it's I kind of have an idea but I I don't I don't even know that I can say cuz I just don't have any you know but uh either way he was taken off we were told he was driving away very quickly then he's pulled over but he cooperates then he's put in the backseat of the car and for the first time in his trial we publicly saw that video when you when you caught the phrase I'm not coming coming back was that like light bulb moment you know we didn't catch that phrase for a while you know cuz we were out there but it it was such a blur I I can't even tell you if if that phrase really resonated in my head at that time because of everything we were dealing with in my backyard yeah it's not like you run back to the police station or the office and watch the video right you've just found two kids not only uh is one you know horribly bound and wrapped in plastic the other there's not much left so what what was that process like in the dirt on a warm summer day trying to find whatever you can knowing that this is probably tyly you know like I said you kind of put that in the back of your mind and it's hard and and uh you know a lot of people a lot of people kind of broke down um for a split second and then it was back to back to digging so that was a hard day but only a few minutes at a time cuz the smell was so bad yeah yeah everybody kind of took their turn um yeah it was I mean it was horrendous the smell it I've never smell anything like it I've been a cop for 23 years and been on all sorts of uh different deaths and various states of decomposition that was terrible and meanwhile you're working to prepare uh filing docents we we had to decide like what are re charging right now um you know we we didn't charge murder right away um and and I think part of that decision was just like we know there's still so much information that we either have and haven't been able to review yet that's still coming in um and we just wanted to make sure we did it right but one thing was clear is that they had uh concealed evidence or destroyed evidence um and so that's that's what we filed that uh I think we filed it the next morning we had 24 hours after Chad had been arrested to file um and I remember just because of the intense media interest the fact that it was out that children had been found um I remember the court calling me first thing in the morning where's the filing and I was like I've still got a couple hours and I want to get it right you know um so we yeah we filed I think it was it was a conspiracy to conceal evidence and [Music] um by the time the first day it ended we still didn't have most of tyly but the forensic anthropologist out there was able to tell us that this is a teenage girl the parts that they had found um and uh I remember we we asked the court to seal the affidavit at the time cuz there was some some of the details in there now details that everybody knows but just we're like we need to just be careful about this and uh um so yeah uh we filed that and I remember having Chad's initial hearing over zoom while they were finishing out at out of the property and CO's happening in the midst of all this yeah which made everything was like another layer of strangeness right um you'd go into work and there was maybe one other person there cuz in our office we are rotating people you know you don't we don't get to stop yeah um and so but we are trying to comply with guidelines and so I remember being at work a lot feeling like it was a ghost town um yeah and that just having the covid restrictions in place just made everything uh probably more difficult and then just added another layer of strange was it a relief though having Chad finally in custody absolutely it it was a relief for me and I and I know for law enforcement on on I mean you worked so hard and and the prosecution team and everybody it this huge team kind of became a family and and everybody worked so hard and once he was in custody Lori was in custody the kids were found it was man we did it we we came together and did it but again the the investigation's not over now it's really all kind of in your lap well like cuz these guys I mean they're the witnesses and we were still um still just Gathering a lot of information um you know like yeah we had the Homer J Maximus data we didn't have a cast report yet um uh we there just um in fact so the the iCloud account I'm going to go back just a little bit in March we had this meeting in Salt Lake with everybody involved in the case from Arizona on out and I started on some of these presentations that some law enforcement were doing like they had these things from the iCloud I was like I haven't seen this yet and I don't know if I actually had the iCloud yet and just hadn't dug into it or um there was so much information there was so much information and I was like I remember that that was actually kind of scary cuz you start seeing um some the things that are getting said in that iCloud you know and it makes it all pretty serious yeah uh and then just the night before we went out June 8th was the first time I got a report written report from the FBI on the iCloud and so you're starting to like put this all together and uh and so yeah even though we' found the kids I mean we we still had a lot of work to do to put together the whole case and then we actually wanted to proceed with a grand jury on murder charges that fall uh we couldn't pull a grand jury because of um and you wanted to go the grand jury rout rather than preliminary hearing we did um having gone you know Chad's preliminary hearing was there's a lot of people there um we we wanted to put it in front of a grand jury to kind of see like how do how do other people see this because with the a preliminary hearing all you're doing is meeting your elements for a judge right and you can get through those usually a lot quicker MH uh we wanted to go through more of the evidence with a grand jury and do you guys feel the same way um so yeah that didn't end up happening till May of the next year yeah yeah so then it does happen though and you announce it and and I think one of the big questions a lot of people have is why did it take so long for to go you know from the 2020 to 2024 with the trial we know Lor's was in 2023 but it seemed like there were these um complications I guess that came up or these delays that came up obviously Co didn't help right well and a case like this um it's rare that they go to trial quickly so you're still monitoring calls between Chad and Lori yeah and what what was that like I mean lot of want to hear every detail of those calls what was in them well they didn't speak to each other once he was arrested um so us monitoring the phone calls between Chad and Lori was was only when she was in custody um he was only really talking to his kids once he was in custody but the phone calls between Chad and Lori but you heard a couple right it it was like that every day it it you know it was it was like two Junior High kids wanting to wanting to talk and tell each other how much they loved them and and sing to each other and you know just a a bunch of silly nonsense in my opinion but but it was something you had to listen to because you never knew when that little nugget of information was going to come out they would talk religion they would talk just about everything M um so that's why we had so many people listening cuz it was so so many calls um but yeah it was it was just silly to me listening to that stuff how did you decide who split up which Witnesses and which evidence like even at the trial some you know you all would rotate through questioning of witnesses did you have like an area of the case you were over you know initially the idea was that uh Madison was kind of dealing with the kids portion and uh Fremont with Tammy but so much of it is intermeshed and so there was kind of that and then just Manpower um who was already familiar with specific types of evidence things like that then it comes time to hopefully have them both go to trial and the it's severed mhm what was that like knowing that you have to do this twice I I was discouraged you know I I wanted to do it one time and and I know a lot of law enforcement felt like H we're going to go through this whole thing twice but at the same time you remember why you're doing it and so I think and I can speak for most law enforcement we would have gone through it four times to get Justice for JJ Ty and Tammy yeah I same felt the same we uh we would have preferred we wanted to do it as one case but that's where it ended up would have been fascinating to see them both in the courtroom if it was one case Chad and Lori it would have been interesting yeah it would have been really interesting that Dynamic especially too with defense attorneys involved and yeah okay so biggest surprise of the case um I don't I don't even know if I could say what the biggest surprise was um I I couldn't either that it happened I mean just the whole thing was so um just out there you know we deal with kind of crazy stories every day every day or something like oh that's kind of crazy I can't believe that person did that but this was just a whole other level of yeah out there it it was like a it was like you're living a game of Dungeons and Dragons mhm and you know you have all these weird things going on and you hear Chad talking about taking uh swords out of people's heads and zombies and dead children and you know you just I don't think there was one specific thing that was a surprise it it seemed to me like every time you turned around there was something new a surprise and when you thought it couldn't get any weirder something else happened and it got weirder yeah um yeah and even even through Lor's trial and then Chad's trial there were things that would when you shift your focus all of a sudden something else sticks out to you um and like the cast data uh what we did with cast what I focused on with the cast witness um at Chad's trial was different than at Lor's I mean we did some of the same basic stuff but then uh and things would stick out you're like you know I knew that but it didn't mean as much until you're focused on it and um there is constantly like that with this case constantly yeah I would go back and compare as the witness was on the stand same Witnesses Chad versus Lori compare my notes to last year and sometimes they they go in the same order but sometimes it was completely different and different stuff touched on how do you how did you emotionally and mentally keep it together especially during the trial when it's so intense and Court may get out at 3:30 but you all have a whole next day to prepare for um you just do it you know you kind of just no I mean it's um for me I I kept thinking back to being deployed and that kind of mindset like you just you've got a mission and you do it and uh you know some days are harder than others some days you have more work to prepare for for the next couple days and others um and uh I think it's just kind of that I think everybody who worked on this case every attorney all the law enforcement you just get that mission mindset like we do what we have to do to complete the mission so yeah you're going to see it through I mean you've worked so hard in the beginning stages and and here we are at court and and so like Rob said you just get that mindset like we're pushing through it doesn't matter what happens whatever emotions whatever problems whatever there is during we're going to deal with that after but but this is our main focus how long did it take you to write your closing arguments and your opening statements depending on which trial I started a lot of what was in my closing argument for Lor's trial started on June 99th of 2020 wow um not that I was at that moment sitting down and writing but just I think for attorneys a lot of time you start thinking about things like that like what do you argue to a jury um and then I uh I wrote it my initial portion of it I probably halfway into a trial wrote it down and just started refining it um and then yeah that that it a lot of that a lot of that had just been kind of the thoughts going around in my head preparing for trial and um so then the opening statement with Chad comparing it to a book and chapters I thought that was pretty interesting did you come up with that idea it wasn't my idea oh okay but uh but it was a good idea I think and um yeah I I don't want to take credit for what I didn't think of but I think it was a good idea yeah um so yeah and that that one that took a bit of time as well and so when it when it comes time to hand it off to the jury what were you all thinking was were are those intense days are those days of relief are those are you anxious yeah yeah I to me I am um and and with both cases I felt like we had presented an overwhelming amount of evidence uh I felt like we had done everything we could do I mean there's always other things you could do but at some point you get past your point of diminishing returns right and so I just felt like both times I felt like we have presented everything we realistically can in a in a time frame uh and the thought that went through my had both time was there's no way this either Lori or Chad would be acquitted you know I wasn't worried about that but what you never you never know what a jury will do and so uh um like well is is there going to be one person who comes in and hangs this jury who refuses to you know uh who or who just won't find them guilty when everybody else does that's those were the things that I got concerned about would you have someone who did something like that mhm what were your thoughts cuz you were in the court every day during Lor's trial right and so I was able to read the jury I think or thought I was able to you you kind of see their expression and their emotion when certain things are shown pictures of JJ or tightly and so being in the courtroom for Lor's trial I I I I had the anxious feeling you know like Rob said you never know if it's going to be one jur um I remember pacing up and down the halls with Rob at at Lor's when we were waiting I mean we did I don't know how many laps we did back and forth but you're anxious and and with Chad's I wasn't in there uh detective Kai kamanu was in there or I guess now Chief Deputy Kai kamanu so I wasn't privy to seeing that stuff so I was probably more anxious with Chad's trial than Lor's what type of toll did this have on your families you know your family goes through everything you do and so you know I I have a good support system at home with my wife and kids um but yeah they go through it they they deal with it they deal with the emotion they live it um it it took a toll you know it it took a huge toll on on family life um you can't go through something like that for four and a half years and not have it affect your family um yeah they just you you can't not help but take this case home with you at night there's a lot you don't have to but but this case I think everybody did yeah yeah it's uh I'd say the same thing there I don't know there's really a way to do this case and not have your family be affected by it um it's it's it's a pretty heavy toll I know you both wanted to and you both have said today but maybe you want to make a a more bigger point about the cooperation between all of the agencies on the law enforcement side and the prosecution side and bringing in the attorney general and is there anything you say about uh you know it seemed like everybody seemed to work really well together didn't seem like there was anybody with a huge ego that we saw at least publicly um what would you say about that I would say that's the biggest thing to take away from this case um is that the the amount of people that worked on this case behind the scenes that will never be mentioned names I mean hundreds of people seven different agencies and like you said not one ego everybody was cooperating communicating we we became a huge family we'd go to dinner afterwards I mean it was just we had one goal and there were everybody was working towards that one goal so for me the biggest thing the biggest positive thing out of this case was I made a ton of new friendships that will last forever um but I'm super proud of the work that everybody did and and the hard work and dedication you couldn't ask for a better team of guys and and girls to work with yeah I'd say the exact same thing um I think it goes back to I mean this was such a um devastating crime and so people felt driven and uh and so yeah I think there A lot of times even if there were differences it got set aside and people got the got the job done and i' the the level of cooperation through different agencies was uh and Prosecutor's offices and was just I I've never seen so many people come together with a common goal like that yeah and uh yeah everybody just let's get it done do the job what should I have asked you what do you want to add um and I don't know that's a good question um I guess I I didn't really touch on the victim's families maybe I I we should probably say something about that what was it like working with the victim's families and seeing them there every day in court and knowing that you know they're relying on you it's up to you you can't help but feel for him and yeah and you know you can see the pain in their face and feel it and and they were super thankful and really supportive of of us and that made a world of difference and so when you get that supportive those supportive hugs and um you know we're sorry you went through what you went through coming from the victim's families was huge and so it makes you even more proud that that we we did what we did and and got the verdicts that we wanted and the hard work and and it makes everything that we went through worth it for me yeah I mean your immediate victims are gone and uh those family members are the voice uh largely publicly for the victims and um having their support meant a lot uh even when things didn't go the way we wanted on something you know their support was always there and that was uh that was helpful and it was really motivating you know you want to not only do you want to get Justice for Ty JJ and Tammy you want to get Justice for their families so and and I would like to add to the public support was huge um just the other day we had some citizens come into the police department with some kids and they made signs and brought us cookies and Thanking us for the for the work that we did so the public was a huge support for us and that helped a lot MH to be able to do that and and know that they have your back yeah yeah thank you both for sharing your perspective and great great work thank you I know it's not something you ever asked for but you did well and uh thank you for for sharing and good having you here thanks glad to be here thanks Nate alrighty there we go rob wood and Ray Hario big thanks to them you know I told them it'd be about an hour they ended up staying here for an hour 20 minutes so we went longer I know there's a lot more I could have asked um maybe another day but hopefully that gave you a taste a feeling of of what they've been going through the past four years and you know processing it all over the past week many many of you have questions I'm going to go through as many of these as I can the number one one of the big ones is will I interview Lindsay Blake I would love to interview Lindsay Blake I have reached out to her to see if she would consider sitting down with me and um when she says yes hopefully she does I'd be happy to give her you know a similar format she can come in here I'll go to her office and talk with her along with other investigators and people involved in the case I have reached out to John prior have not heard back from him but I I would sit down with him too um other law enforcement officers so yeah there there are more interviews coming down the line and hopefully you'll stay tuned for that and then another huge pressing question that has just been blowing up the feed asked Nate why they're all wearing the same shoes and where they bought them from well we got together before the interview and said let's go shoe shopping and we went down to Dillards and I said all right this is the pair no we didn't do that we just happened to wear brown shoes that day I'm wearing dark brown shoes today um yeah they just have good fashion sense and I don't and I saw that they were following uh that they were wearing brown shoes and so that's what I wore uh that's a funny question though uh Nate will you be going to best's trial as it goes to the courts I believe so Jeremy best um I believe so definitely somebody from our staff will if I'm not says thank you both for your dedication to the case love seeing Chad's picture on death row with the Department of Correction I'm going to flash that up here again because many of you tuned in late by the way if you did tune in late you can watch the entire interview right when we're done here I'm going to post it in its entirety it's also here on this uh program but you can go in and watch it and see um see what you missed but if you were not here at the beginning of the the broadcast this is Chad's mugshot from the Idaho Department of Correction that was uh distributed to the media on Friday so there you go that is Chad why does it say murder of ex-wife he was still married so on the IDOC website it lists out like the charges and it does say murder of ex-wife they meant former wife I'm sure they put X I know that they weren't divorced uh that's something with IDOC many of you caught that so I I'm not sure if they'll fix that or leave it there U or murder of spouse you're right they they should have said murder of spouse because spouse because they were still married however at the present time he's not married to her Carolyn says do you think Chad and Lori were hoping David would buy ground so they could move the bodies um maybe I think my takeaway from The Trial is that they were anxious or at least Chad was anxious to get a cement pad there or another mobile home or trailer home something another home there to put over the bodies and there was witness there were Witnesses who testified of that that he was uh interested in getting a bid something along those lines so I don't know if they were necessarily going to move the bodies rather than just be sure that they stayed under that pad or that pavement where is the picture from that's in your Studio Judy asks oh Judy this one so this is the Idaho Falls um and I don't know where we got it actually I think our photographer may have taken it and then the company that designed our Set uh made it cool um so yeah I I don't know where we got it from but thank you I I hope you like it it's very peaceful we can change the color and everything too uh Karen asked why would JJ still be in a diaper at age seven uh well he it was a pull-up diaper from what I understand and it was nighttime so I don't know if you've had children that are seven or six or eight or that that wet the bed or also he had special needs he was autistic and he also um was given medication that I might have helped him sleep so I I don't know I I don't know if he wore a diaper all the time but that's why I assumed that he was in a pull-up because it was bedtime uh can we ever get the jail house calls between Emma and Chad or Emma and Lori no not as far as I know at least in Idaho I have requested those at least the prison calls for Lori and uh from from what I'm told from the attorneys for IDOC those calls are not considered public record inmate communication is not public now if it's brought into a court of law like in a trial so robwood and Lindsey Blake brought in a couple of calls or at least one one or two between Chad and Lori that they played in court that's public record because it's evidence it's an exhibit they brought in but everything else no um I don't know if Arizona law is different their open records laws seem far more open or at least um different than Idaho so there's a chance that maybe we can get calls down there if Lori was I don't I don't think Chad has not the sheriff in uh Fremont County has told us that all the time Chad was in Fremont Chad never communicated with Lori so that's three years no communication now he's in on death row in maximum security you know isolation he's not making calls to Lori so I don't I don't know if there'd be any more but there as you heard Ray herio say there were a lot of calls before he was arrested and singing what do you think about that singing to each other like teenagers lovey-dovey stuff Cheryl asks how my interview with Melanie Gibb came to be oh wow that's an interesting story so I had reached out to Melanie early 2020 when all this happened I think I called her and left her a message but she was really hard to get in in touch with and then a friend of hers reached out to me and said I'm a friend of Melanie Gibbs I've been following your reporting um and and I said would Melanie Gibb be interested in talking to me can you ask and she said I can ask and then I don't think she is interested um and then I went to Arizona and tried to talk to her and she we were supposed to meet up and she didn't show up anyway long story suddenly one night I'm in my backyard it was um May of 2020 and I'm my neighbors helping me build some stairs for our back porch and um I get a call from Arizona and I don't Rec I don't recognize the number and I hang up I don't answer it I mean and it was Melanie Gibb and she left me a voicemail she said hey it's Melanie Gibb I thought I'd reach out to you please call me when you get minute so I saw the voicemail I'm like uh to my neighbor Vince I'm like hold up I'm going to be right back so I went there were kids all over the place I went into my car and I called her and she said I think I'm ready to talk and I I and then she proceeded to just we talked for about an hour she told me not everything but a lot of stuff and at that point we had like heard nothing about a lot of the stuff and I'm like wait what and um over the next few days we coordinated an interview this was during covid time so it was really like tricky to try to coordinate you know masks and not masks and anyway um about a week later if even that less than a week I went down to Utah she was visiting Utah we met up uh dat line was kind enough to shoot the interview for for me and uh we talked for about an hour and a half and then we posted it that's how it came to be so it was very nice I'd still love love love to talk to zulma I don't know if she'll ever do an interview but I'd love to talk to her that's like toward the top of my list of people to interview with the case Snow White asks where Chad was running to the day that the kids were being found in his yard um there's a lot of talk he was running to see an attorney or someone said that I don't know I don't know where he was running but he took off right when they found JJ so interesting what year did this all begin 2019 Charles Al was shot in July then Tammy debel died in October and then well then the kids were killed in September the next month Tammy debel died the next month Chad and Lori get married in November and then they flee back to Hawaii and then in December the alert goes out for the missing kids and then January of 2020 is when it really went public and proceeded from there um okay uh a couple of shout outs Anan Cara from Mexico Ola Anan Anan Paul soron you're here day in and day out thank you Paul roxan a Cheryl M McMullan Celeste Donahue Heather Morgan Eileen Jay Denise Oliver Vita Lucas Casey Berg Carol Woodward Judy Brown and Mack Barney thank you so much for watching Camila asks if Chad and Lori are in the same prison no the women's facility is in Pocatello about 40 minutes from where I am the men's facility is on the other side of the state now Lori is not there at the moment she's in Arizona but when she's done in Arizona she will be brought back here and she will serve out her life sentence three of them here in Pocatello at the women's correctional center um Eileen Jay wants the Julie row interview released hurry eileene we did not post that interview yet um because a lot been happening but maybe maybe we will we'll see it's uh it's interesting Nate are any of you suspicious of Alex's death or do you all believe it was truly natural causes um I think that that uh the detective and the the lieutenant and the prosecutor answered that question that I don't know I mean there's still always that big question that maybe out of all of it it was the crazy coincidence also would Alex have flipped had he had he been alive and he was realizing he was their Fall Guy would he have flipped and said okay here's what happened and tell all that would have been fascinating to see that his Lori and Chad really and and we probably would have learned so much more if he flipped if he didn't and went all the way to to court believing it uh and Chad dbel got a death sentence and he very well would likely have a death sentence too was Chad coaching Emma and G when they testified uh I don't know I don't know some of the jurors said it definitely sound coached sounded coached um and John prior asked you know just to be sure I didn't coach you right I didn't I didn't encourage you what to say and they said no but maybe Chad did I don't know or at least maybe not coach them like say this say this but if you are conditioned over four years talking to someone the same every day multiple times you you start to possibly believe what they're saying what did they think of the kids lying oh okay this is another question so Rob wood couldn't talk about well Rob Wood's not going to come out and tell me in an interview yes we're going to go arrest the kids for perjury or yes we're going to charge the kids he obviously can't do that and so we didn't talk about it in the interview um it's from all accounts it's under investigation I don't I have no clue if they're going to be charged with perjury or get in trouble um you know if they are I don't know what the P punishment is for that I I I don't know and I don't know if they perjured themselves based on what we heard it sounds like they may have and a grand jury remember a grand jury was held about G and his possible perjury and he was not charged it already so um yeah there's that hi from Portugal my question is hello Portugal Bruna what does Nate think's going to happen in the Ariz a Charles case and who does he think will be a witness thank you oh good question well um it'll be it'll obviously be a different trial compared to what we've seen we've seen the two here and they were pretty similar but a lot of differences this one will be different they'll probably be elements of er of Idaho brought into that one but this is going to focus on that day that Charles was shot with Alex and Tyle and JJ all being gone and Lori being the only other person there and well and Charles so so I don't know I don't know who will be the witnesses they'll probably call a lot of the same officers some of the same friends probably that have testified Brandon budro will obviously be a witness because he was the victim in the other shooting when he was going to the gym I imagine his ex-wife will be on there Melanie um I believe that uh I but I I really don't know who the others that'll be a fascinating case to watch I believe it will the trial will likely be much shorter than it was here in Idaho and it's supposed to start in August but that's like six weeks away I I don't see them being ready for it but maybe which would be wild if in six weeks we're back here every night doing courtroom Insider um will Chad and Lori ever be allowed to communicate uh from what I understand no because he's on um death row and they they really limit communication especially with other inmates and um I don't see them visiting and some of you were talking about could they have a conjugal visit and be romantic and all that no in Idaho there's no conjugal visits and I don't know if they would allow that on death row interesting thing too about death row and Idaho that I learned recently unlike other states where you can order like your favorite meal for your final meal you can have KFC brought in or I don't know a big steak here in Idaho you have to choose something from the uh cafeteria from the dining hall or the the prison whatever they have there they give you a menu and you get to choose it it's not like you get a special Cheesecake Factory order brought in custom made it's what the prison has on their menu and what you can take Nate you sounded sick during the interview are you okay take care of that cough you all are so concerned about my health and I appreciate that I got back from boisey and the allergies here were much different than when I was over there and I had allergies a lot I kept sneezing and I took allergy meds before that interview and um obviously it didn't help with the cough but I had a great I had like a 4-Hour nap Saturday I feel much better better today but thank you for your concern Nate what was your biggest takeaway from the interview how much I guess how much it really affected these guys I mean obviously it's going to affect them but I mean they lived and breathed this stuff and I I've heard about some private moments like when um the remains of JJ were released from the custody of the uh I didn't hear this from these guys but from others when they were released from the custody of Idaho that the police had a little moment to say goodbye if that makes sense um this this affected them and they said it but I'll say it too there was so much cooperation among law enforcement agencies so much to get this taken care of and in a case like this you would just have to you would have to cooperate otherwise you know you need the help of everybody all hands possible so um that was a takeaway to me and that these guys have more to say and hopefully one day they'll say it all I believe they have more to say I I always love the behind the-scenes stuff of you know what was really going on what what do they really know that's what's fascinating to me all right I think we're we're good I think we got it all thank you so much for watching um I don't know when I'll be back again for another courtroom Insider but if there are there are more interviews coming lined up and hopefully I'll have them here in the coming days and you can stay tuned for those of you that ordered a t-shirt the LA the mug shot t-shirts the last ones were packaged up today and are being shipped out tomorrow morning so everyone that ordered one should have them by the end of the week thank you thank you thank you for being patient as we put them together I think we have a couple of extra of every size so if you're interested we'll we'll repost that link and you can go on and order one and again if you missed the entire interview go back and watch it big thanks to detective hereso Lieutenant detective hereso and to uh Rob wood for sitting down and chatting with me and I hope you have a good night goodbye

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