THEIR GOAL OF THE DELAY OR OBSTRUCT THE PROCEEDINGS WITH DIFFERENT MEANS. TRUMP FAMOUSLY AVOIDS CREATING EVIDENCE OF RECORDS OR WRITING IN EMAILS, BUT THE TALK AGAIN HAS STILL COME TO HAUNT HIM. IT GETS TAKEN DOWN IN NONETHELESS, IN NOTES, OTHER PEOPLE'S EMAILS. THE INDICTMENT ALSO SAYS TRUMP ASKED FOR, QUOTE, AN UPDATE FOR WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH THE ELECTOR PLAN AND DIRECTED AN AIDE TO PUT OUT A STATEMENT ON THE ELECTORS. AGAIN, THIS IS CHATTY TRUMP. SOME PEOPLE WOULD BE A LITTLE MORE CAREFUL IF THEY WERE, YOU KNOW, AWARE OF WHAT THEY WERE ASKING FOR. BUT HE GOT CAUGHT. THE WITNESSES HERE CLEARLY TOLD PROSECUTORS HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE PLANS AS HE WENT. NOW, IN THE SECRET DOCUMENTS CASE, YOU HAVE A SIMILAR ECHO. SAME CATEGORY. TRUMP IN REALTIME TALKING ABOUT HIS OWN CRIME. FOR EXAMPLE, HE SAYS SOMETHING IN THIS MEETING THAT HAS HAUNTED LATER ATTEMPTS TO CLAIM HE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT HE WAS DOING. HONEST MISTAKE. LISTEN AS HE CONFESSES. AND AT THIS POINT, HE COULD NO LONGER DECLASSIFIED HIS PILFERED CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS. >> WHICH IS DONE BY THE MILL TEXAS, GIVEN TO ME. I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY, RIGHT? >> I DON'T KNOW. WE'LL HAVE TO SEE. WE'LL HAVE TO TRY TO -- >> DECLASSIFY. IF SEE, AS PRESIDENT I COULD DECLASSIFIED IT, NOW I CAN'T. BUT THIS IS CLASSIFIED. ISN'T THAT INTERESTING? >> CONFESSION FROM WORDS. THERE IS ANOTHER CATEGORY WHERE TRUMP WILL KEEP TALKING AFTER SOMETHING HAS GONE DOWN. SOMETIMES HE IS MAKING FALSE CLAIMS WITH PROSECUTORS NOTICE. THIS IS OF COURSE AGAINST LEGAL ADVICE. BUT CONSIDER THAT HE JUST LIED ABOUT JANUARY 6th. ABOUT THE INSURRECTIONIST NOW CONVICTED SEDITIONISTS. HE CLAIMED THEY WERE PEACEFUL PEOPLE. THAT THERE WAS A LOVEFEST BETWEEN THE CAPITOL POLICE AND THE PEOPLE WHO WALKED DOWN TO THE CAPITOL. AND THEN, HE DIDN'T NEED TO DO, THIS BUT HE WAIVED HIS RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT AND TALKED ABOUT GIVING POWER BACK TO PARDON SOME OF THE VERY PEOPLE CONVICTED, SOME NOW LISTED AS CO-CONSPIRATORS WHO STAGED THE INSURRECTION. >> WE WILL TREAT THOSE PEOPLE FROM JANUARY 6th FAIRLY. AND IF IT REQUIRES PARDONS, WE WILL GIVE THEM PARDONS. >> AND I'M FINANCIALLY SUPPORTING PEOPLE THAT ARE INCREDIBLE. I WILL LOOK VERY, VERY FAVORABLY ABOUT FULL PARDONS. >> DO YOU HAVE ANY REGRETS ABOUT YOUR ACTIONS ON JANUARY 6th? >> I SAID WALK PEACEFULLY AND PATRIOTICALLY. >> SO THAT'S JUST SOME OF THAT. AND THERE IS A FINAL CATEGORY. AND THIS IS WHERE HE HAS REALLY GOTTEN INTO TROUBLE. DONALD TRUMP NOT JUST TALKING, WAIVING THE RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT, BUT TRYING TO TALK AND ADVOCATE AS HIS OWN LAWYER. THIS IS WHERE HE THINKS HE IS DOING THINGS THAT ARE HELPING THE CASE. A JUDGE RECENTLY ADMONISHED HIM FOR THE WAY THAT HE CALLED THIS RAPE TRIAL A, QUOTE, MADE UP SCAM ONLINE. HIS LAWYER JOE TACOPINA ACKNOWLEDGED THE DIFFICULTY OF EVEN RESTRAINING TRUMP, TELLING THE JUDGE, I'LL DO THE BEST I CAN DO, YOUR HONOR. THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY. AFTER TRUMP LOST THAT DEFAMATION CASE RELATED TO THE RAPE TRIAL, HE WENT ON TV THE NEXT DAY AND TALKED ABOUT THE PERSON WHO JUST BEAT HIM IN COURT, CARROLL, THE PLAINTIFF IS A WHACK JOB AND SAYING THE CLAIMS WERE MADE UP. WHICH PRETTY BAD LAWYERING CAUSED CARROLL TO LEGALLY BE ABLE TO PURSUE EVEN MORE DAMAGES. ANOTHER CASE NOW SCHEDULED FOR NEXT YEAR. NOW, SOME OF THESE CASES ARE CIVIL, MEANING THEY'RE IMPORTANT, BUT THEY MAY NOT AFFECT WHETHER HE CAN EVER GET BACK IN THE WHITE HOUSE. CRIMINAL ONES, THOUGH, COULD DO THAT. AND TRUMP HAS SORT OF BRAINSTORMED, MADE UP AND LIED ABOUT THINGS THAT ONLY A LAWYER WOULD BE ABLE TO SAY, TRYING TO OFFER HIS LEGAL DEFENSE. >> YOU'RE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, YOU CAN DECLASSIFY JUST BY SAYING IT'S DECLASSIFIED. EVEN BY THINKING ABOUT IT. ALL OF MY DOCUMENTS FELL UNDER WHAT IS KNOWN AS THE PRESIDENTIAL RECORDS ACT, WHICH IS NOT AT ALL A CRIMINAL ACT. IN ONE CASE, YOU HAVE THE PRESIDENTIAL RECORDS ACT. I'M ALLOWED TO DO WHATEVER. BUT IN THE OTHER CASE, IT'S FREE SPEECH. >> THIS IS A FREE SPEECH KILLING INDICTMENT, KILLING FREE SPEECH. THAT'S WHAT IT IS. >> TRUMP ALSO HAS THIS HABIT OF GOING AFTER PROSECUTORS, LIKE WHEN HE POSTED THIS PICTURE SWINGING A BASEBALL BAT AGAINST THE D.A., WHICH HE THINKS IS SOME SORT OF LAWYERING OR INTIMIDATION. IN FACT, JUST LIKE THE CASE WE'RE COVERING TONIGHT, IT GOT FOLDED INTO HOW A JUDGE IS CONSIDERING THE RULES FOR HIM. AND TRUMP HAS BEEN VERY CLEAR ABOUT HIS PERCEIVED PAYBACK PLAN. >> I WILL DIRECT A COMPLETELY OVERHAUL DOJ TO INVESTIGATE EVERY RADICAL D.A. AND HE IN, HE FOR HER ILLEGAL RACIST AND REVERSE ENFORCEMENT OF THE LAW. >> NOW HE HAS THE RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT. HE ALSO HAS THE RIGHT TO SPEAK. BUT THIS IS STUFF THAT HAS SEVERELY COMPLICATED, UNDERCUT, OR CAUSED HIM EVEN TO LOSE SOME OF THESE CASES. THE DIFFERENCE NOW TONIGHT IF YOU'RE SAYING OKAY, ARI, BUT WHAT'S DIFFERENT? THIS IS A BIG ONE. THAT'S WHY TRUMP'S LAWYERS ARE SO NERVOUS. THAT'S WHY OTHER LAWYERS IN THE MAGA FIRMAMENT ARE EMERGING. EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THIS CASE GO TO TRIAL BEFORE THE ELECTION, HE COULD BE CONVICTED. IF THE SUPREME COURT DOESN'T INTERVENE, HE COULD BE PHYSICALLY INCARCERATED, WHICH MAKES IT HARD TO RUN FOR OFFICE, AMONG OTHER THINGS. BUT HE JUST WON'T KEEP QUIET. EVEN IF HIS LAWYERS KNOW THAT WHEN HE TALKS, HE GETS HIMSELF IN TROUBLE, LEGAL TROUBLE. WHICH BRINGS US TO THE WORLD OF SPORTS, AND A MOMENT THAT HAS ECHOED AS A KIND OF GLOBAL MEME, A POSTGAME REMARK BY CHELSEA SOCCER COACH JOSE MOURINHO, EXERCISING HIS SILENCE. >> I PREFER NOT TO SPEAK. IF I SPEAK, I AM IN BIG TROUBLE, IN BIG TROUBLE. I DON'T WANT TO BE IN BIG TROUBLE. >> VERY BIG TROUBLE. THAT'S SOMEONE WHO MIGHT KNOW THEIR OWN WEAKNESS, THAT THEY HAVE THOUGHTS, THEY KNOW WHAT THEY WANT TO SAY, BUT SAYING THEM WILL GET THEM IN TROUBLE. THAT'S A TYPE OF SELF-AWARENESS THAT THIS DEFENDANT, DONALD TRUMP DOESN'T HAVE. AND THAT SOCCER MOMENT WAS ACTUALLY REFERENCED BY THE BRITISH ARTIST STORMSY, BRINGING IT INTO THE WORLD OF THIS BIG QUESTION ABOUT WHEN YOU SPEAK AND HOW SOCCER SOMETIMES IS A GOOD GUIDE FOR LIFE. TAKE A LOOK. >> THEY LOVE TOE TALK ABOUT THE OLD DAYS, ANNIE ARE YOU OKAY? I PREFER NOT TO SPEAK, LIKE I'M JOSE. >> I PREFER NOT TO -- NOT TO SPEAK. IF I SPEAK, I AM IN BIG TROUBLE. >> SOMETIMES
