Correct, Not Politically Correct and With Frank Turek

[Music] all right everybody I'm so excited to have my friend Frank turricon again on my channel to talk about a topic that we're both very passionate about Frank just uh expanded a third edition of his book correct not politically correct and I had the honor of reading this book and I'm really glad to have him on to talk about some of the topics that are here uh Frank thank you so much for coming on today and speaking with me yay Melissa great being on with you and uh this is such a hard topic for people that uh I thought I would write on it and as you know from the book I'm not quoting Bible verses this is not a book that's written to say that because the Bible says were you taking a natural law uh Common Sense medical case against transgenderism and same-sex marriage how they're not good for individuals and not good for society as a whole yes and you do this in your talks as well when you do your I don't have enough Faith to be atheist conferences the what I respect and what I really enjoy is that you start with what is truth does God exist are Miracles real right before you even get into anything with religion or the Bible or anything and I think that is very effective I think that's really cool um now okay this book I remember you talking about this a while ago and I didn't realize it was this book but you mentioned that you got fired back in the day for writing this book I'm wondering if you could start off by telling us a little bit about that what happened yeah well in 2008 I wrote a book called correct not politically correct how same-sex marriage hurts everyone and I didn't write it again from a Biblical perspective in the sense that I wasn't quoting Bible verses I just mentioned I was just making the natural law medical case that same-sex marriage was not good for individuals or a nation and at that time uh uh even though cross-examine had already started I was only working part-time at cross-examined I was putting my family when I went to Seminary and when we moved to Charlotte way back in 1993 I had to make money so I started doing corporate training for companies and for many years I did corporate training for Cisco and also Bank of America Cisco not the food people but the computer people Cisco that they're out headquartered out in San Jose long long story short um back in 2011 I was teaching a leadership class at Cisco and I was fired because uh someone in the class Googled my name and figured out I had written the book now this is the third edition but the first edition was similar and they said well Frank can't work here because he doesn't agree with same-sex marriage now keep in mind this was not something I ever brought up at at in my leadership training uh yet this man who identified as a homosexual just figured out that I had written this book and decided that I couldn't work at Cisco now keep in mind Melissa this is four years prior to the Supreme Court imposing same-sex marriage on the nation so uh at that point the CEO of Cisco is a man by the name of John Chambers and John Chambers in 2008 during the presidential election was on the elect McCain Commission in California he wanted McCain to be the president and in that election it was Senator McCain against Senator Obama for the for the presidency and so as you know Senator McCain served in the Navy and so did I so I I wrote John Chambers the CEO of Cisco I said uh thank you for support of Senator McCain in the last election I am at two a United States Navy veteran uh I was fired from your company because I didn't agree with same-sex marriage uh are you aware that Senator McCain holds the same position on same-sex marriage that I do are you qualified to be working at Cisco so the next day I got a phone call because I fedexed it to his office and the attorney said well what do you want and I said well I don't really want anything except you call the dogs off other Christians and I was a vendor I I wasn't an employee so they could fire me for any reason but I just said look I I can't understand you claim to be inclusive tolerant and diverse how was it that I was excluded and not tolerated for holding a diverse View and the attorney said well I could set you up to talk to a lady by the name of Marilyn Nagel she said she's the head of our inclusion tolerance and diversity division whatever that meant right I said okay let's set up the meeting so a couple weeks later I'm actually at Summit in Colorado and my friend Mike Adams was there and we had this call scheduled Marilyn Nagel so I asked her I said hey you know I told her what happened and I said uh you claim to be inclusive tolerant and diverse how how is it that I I wasn't tolerated I was excluded for holding a diverse View and she couldn't answer the question and I I said what does tolerance mean what does inclusion mean what does diversity mean she couldn't answer any of the questions and the conversation went so poorly that when it was over I turned to Mike I said we got to go public with this we've got to tell people the world although these people are claiming to be inclusive tolerant and diverse they're they're not they're not it at all inclusion tolerance and diversity corporate Elites means if you don't see it our way we're going to hurt you so Mike wrote The First Column called The Cisco Kid and then I wrote a column that it was on townhall.com and uh maybe a few other places called sex at work by the way do not Google sex at work don't Google that if you Google that I'll take you right to Harvey Weinstein's website go to crossexamine.org and go to our little search bar there and type in sex at work you'll see the article and basically what I do in there Melissa is I ask the question why is Corporate America talking about sex at work are we supposed to have sex at work I mean what's the point here as long as we treat everyone with respect regardless of whether or not we agree on sexual issues we ought to be able to work together and so I I said I pledge to people who might not agree with me on certain religious and moral issues I pledge that I'm going to treat them with respect because they're made in the image of God we don't have to agree on everything to work together when you really think about this why is Corporate America so obsessed with this it really doesn't have anything to do with workplace productivity do we all have to agree that certain sexual practices are good or bad in order to make Widgets or to uh conduct some sort of service for people no we don't in any event um after that happened I couldn't work in Corporate America anymore because I was out I was out as a Christian I was out as somebody who didn't believe in same-sex marriage so Bank of America fired me right after that and uh and then in then I went full time with cross-examined this is what I was 49 years old and uh that was in 2011 so since then I've been doing cross-examine full-time and then in 2016 after the Supreme Court imposed same-sex marriage on the entire nation actually they did it in 2015 in 2016 I updated the book and then in just this year I updated it again because of transgenderism so now this is the new Third Edition and we're dealing with all these issues without quoting Bible verses as I mentioned and I left the first and second sections just as they are because I think the arguments are still good and much of what I said there unfortunately has come true yeah regard to what I said would happen if same-sex marriage is imposed on the nation yes and this is what I found particularly interesting is like a okay so my best friend she brought this up a long time ago and I never thought about it this way but there was an issue at that time where people are Christians not even Christians just conservatives were concerned from a societal level and they're like this is a slippery slope guys this is something that's going to evolve into something that is not good for our nation and everybody's like yeah you're being paranoid you're being fanatical and the thing with a slippery slope is sometimes you don't know if that's the case until time has gone by to see if that's the case if that's what happened and it seems to be wow that was a really big Turning Point same-sex marriage into the evolution of where we got to where we are today with a lot of the transgender craze uh gender spectrums everything that's that's happening and it's very odd and interesting to pinpoint it to that now you talk about same-sex marriage and again not from a Biblical perspective which some people might kind of like what Frank what Melissa how could you do that but I'm here to say that's actually really brilliant because if you're somebody that doesn't believe in God or the Bible there are still statistics and facts really good reasons why this view is you know held and I'm wondering if you could do that so if you can give some help helpful statistics and and facts for why anybody would have an issue with same-sex marriage at all because most people would look at you and I and think wow you're just being hateful you're being mean you're being harmful to this group of people uh when really you're looking at this from a very different and very interesting societal perspective which actually a lot of psychologists and sociologists quietly agree with yeah maybe before we get there let's just point this out um the culture thinks that love requires approval when in reality if you think about it love does not require approval uh I ask parents or kids actually as kids if your parents approve of everything you wanted to do or approved of everything you wanted to do when you were 13 would they have been loving parents of course people go no no my parents if they approved of everything I did they wouldn't be loving they'd be unloving they'd be enabling me to destroy myself and others and and because love does not require approval love requires that you stand in the way of evil that people want to do you know in the passage Melissa that everyone reads at their wedding but nobody obeys First Corinthians 13. yeah Paul says love always protects he says love does not rejoice in wrongdoing but love rejoices in the truth love always perseveres right so in order to love people you need to protect them which means you have to stand in the way of the evil that they want to do and so I think we need to to say that from the outset the motivation we ought to have is to love people but love doesn't mean you approve of everything they do in fact I'm reminded of this uh when I first wrote this book back in 2008 I got an email from a FBI agent the guy was undercover with NAMBLA you know what NAMBLA is the North American man boy love Association these are the pedophiles wow okay and um he had just written a book I can't remember the name of the book but he said I have your book correct not politically correct and you deal with the objection we were born this way because that's that was the the justification for saying well that's why we should engage in this behavior and he said to me do you know what the pedophiles are using as their justification for what they do we were born this way but we just have this affinity for children and we can't help it now of course in the book I point out there's a difference between attractions and actions yes we all have we all have attractions we ought not act on and you know and I know that if we and everyone watching knows that if you continue or let me put it this way if you without moral restraint act on every attraction you have you wouldn't live very long you certainly wouldn't have stable relationships very long because you have attractions all the time that you need to say no to particularly as you and I are both married not to one another but we're married right we we have to say no to anybody else that we find attractive otherwise our relationship's going to be destroyed I mean that's just a simple example you see things you're attracted to all the time whether it's from a financial perspective I wish I could buy that yeah I'm going to go into debt if I do or I wish I could eat that yeah I'm going to become you know 600 pounds if I keep doing that you know you always have to say no to attractions most of the time you have to say no and unfortunately the culture at least in some areas seems to think that no you have to act on your attractions no you don't you have to act on what is moral and right otherwise you're going to destroy yourself and others and if you look at same-sex Behavior just medically no one likes to talk about this but I talk about it in the book and I have to footnotes throughout it same spec same-sex behavior from a medical perspective is not healthy in fact and and stats change because our Medical Care is improved but for say gay men their their lifespan is anywhere between 8 and 20 years uh less than heterosexuals just because medically and not to go into the details here but but medically as we know it it and and anatomically it doesn't work it's it's an abuse of the of the human body people never say this they don't want to say it but look it's just the truth okay and so if you get the book correct not politically correct I get into all that yeah and and you can take it or leave it but it's the truth you know look you don't like it I'm sorry that's just the way it is yeah and then you talk about orientation and behavior and there's a difference between them where yeah like it's not necessarily the issue isn't the orientation it's the sexual behavior right and uh I think you do a good job of parsing that out so for people that kind of want to know more about that let me say one other thing because the Genesis of this book really came out of a friend of mine who died in 1993 of AIDS oh yeah you mentioned that yeah yeah I start that I start the book out with that and his parents who were my I mean the kid grew up right next to me his his younger brother was my best friend he was just a little bit older than me and his parents were like second parents to me but when his when this this friend of mine came out back in the late 80s his parents didn't really know what to do and instead of kind of warning him that this is not the road to go down they they embraced his lifestyle and uh tried to affirm everything he was doing and six years later he was dead um now look I I'm not trying to cast blame on them for that I'm just pointing out that it probably wasn't the best approach in hindsight to say yeah you should do this because you have this attraction it's it's medically not a road you want to go down yeah you know and see and I think that that's where that kind of gets lost on people because that's why you know a conversation like this would be considered hateful for people you know in this in this demographic but it's we're not we don't hate you like if you're watching this you know and thank you for watching you may not agree with us or even like us but um yeah there's a love and a concern that as you said a lot of people don't talk about uh that is this good for society as a whole is this good for you is this good for and I think that that's where Carl Truman talks about this where the individual self you know the authentic self within is what's taking dominance instead of what's good for everybody like an unselfish type of of wholeness and it's tough for people to see past that and from what oh yeah it is and when you look at from a political perspective there's only three things a government can do on any issue a government can prohibit prohibit a behavior primitive Behavior or promote a behavior those are the only three things you can do you can you can prohibit permit or promote now for many years in in most of our nation's history the nation through the states thought it was acceptable to prohibit same-sex behavior and we might today say well it's a free country we should allow people we should permit people to do that okay so you've now you're moving from prohibit to permit but to go to same-sex marriage what you've done now is you've gone to promote now you're saying that the behavior is a good thing and by the way even as late as 1986 the Supreme Court said that the states had the right to prohibit same-sex Behavior it wasn't until 2003 in the Lawrence V Texas decision that the Supreme Court said oh you can't prohibit it anymore now the Constitution didn't change right it was just the Supreme Court had changed and went more political now you can argue the political you know should it be prohibited or not let's just say it's a free country okay it should be permitted but to go from permit to promote now you're doing something else you're saying this is a good thing and you know what the real problem with same-sex marriage is from my view anyway and as I do explain this in the book correct not politically correct it's not that same-sex marriage is the issue it's that marriage now is an institution has become genderless and if it's become genderless what that means is that marriage no longer has any connection to children because if two men can get married or two women can get married that's not a procreative relationship uh and you're teaching the law is a great teacher you're teaching society that marriage is just about coupling it's not about children well if there is not if marriage is not the institution to protect children what institution does protect children now of course we know that there are some opposite sex marriages that don't produce children but those are the exception rather than the rule and secondly they still uh exhibit to society a generally procreative relationship and thirdly that marriage keeps the man off the street from impregnating women who are not uh his wife so that marriage still has advantages to society but when you look at the purpose of marriage from a societal perspective the reason the government's involved in marriage is not to recognize romantic Affinity the reason the government's involved in marriage is to is to uh procreate or to protect and propagate Society to stabilize and propagate Society that's the reason the government's involved in marriage it's not to recognize that John loves Mary or Bill loves Steve or any of those things I mean why would the government care about that really when you think about it I mean when you go when you work for your marriage license they didn't ask you you really love him uh the dad do you really love her no they don't ask you that question they're they're asking you uh questions about procreation you know the blood type work here that kind of thing because that's why the government's involved in marriage and it really wasn't the same sex the lgbtq community that has given a same-sex marriage Melissa it's really uh Christians who bought into the who bought into the romance view of marriage we're the ones that said well marriage is just about romance well if it's just about romance why why not two men or two women that's what brought brought us genderless marriage it's really it's really yeah and even vocal about this too lately where you and I always always like that when people of in any group take some sort of responsibility right where they're like well hey guys we gotta look at us and see what we did um over time to kind of get us where we're at today and because that's what we would want from people we disagree with too right yeah so I think that that's healthy Insight so uh yeah let's parse that out a little bit more because even vocal about this where uh Christians have some responsibility in this regard uh what do you mean by that how how would you say that there has been an effect is it because Christians haven't been involved they just like yeah we don't want to be involved with this this isn't really our place is is that what it is or is there a little bit more on that well the first no-fault divorce law came out of California signed by Ronald Reagan the governor of California well intended he thought you know people are trapped in bad marriages we've got to get get them out of it the problem is the negative consequence of that is that now people can leave a marriage without no matter whose fault it was and leave the other person stranded and a lot of times the reason they do that is because they no longer have romantic feelings for the other person well if marriage is all about feelings never Don't Take The Vow because you can't vow feelings for the next 50 years you know you can't foul never be hungry or I'll never be angry you can't all you can do is vow behavior and by the way you don't need a vowel when you're all lovey-dovey with your spouse right you don't need a vow at all I mean you're infatuated you're you know you're not going anywhere you need a vow when you wake up in the morning and you go you again that's when you need the vow yeah okay well Christians have bought into the you again idea of marriage oh you you're not the one for me anymore I gotta find somebody else who really likes my flame and so we bought into no fault divorce that spread across the country and now people think marriage is just about the Romantic Affinity of two adults so why not two men or two women it's just that's just where it goes it's our fault we're the ones that brought this on ultimately because we didn't view the Covenant view of marriage that I'm With You For Better or Worse I'm with you because we need to love one another even if when we don't like one another and we need to bring up children and we need to stay together at least for the sake of the children and we have this Covenant together before the state and before God and of course from a Christian perspective this marriage is an illustration of our ultimate Union with Jesus yeah yeah and I think it's uh just so everybody knows it's not like we're advocating for you know abusive marriages like you know what I mean like we're not sitting here people don't people read stuff into what we don't say but obviously what we're saying is that everything Frank is saying I agree with that I think that there's just this this easy way out on some levels and it's tough it is tough sometimes to stick that out and um there's good societal reasons for that now there's so much more that you say about this in your book and you give lots of stats and you talk more about same-sex marriage let's transition over to something that um I just have no can't with which is the transgender craze um this has really been a big reason why I started homeschooling my girls the best decision ever by the way it's really good it's going well um but all right there are people I know this is this is something that I wanted to ask you specifically about that it's like they just don't believe that this is an issue right maybe they're leftists maybe they just look at us like we are nuts like we think they think that we are just hateful and just being mean um they just don't believe that homosexuality and transgenderism this whole thing is being forced on people not through media not through schools uh not through TV and they're just being represented all right that's all that's all we're doing guys we're trying to give them representation you know they're a minority and they've been through a lot and we we just want them to be notice and recognized and respected nobody's forcing this down y'all's throats and I just adamantly disagree and I know that there's people watching that may just be completely oblivious to this as apologists though I think it's really important to understand how and why we got to where we're at and understanding that perspective and I still think it's really odd that people just like oh you guys got it wrong nobody's forcing this down your throats and I'm like okay well people are losing jobs if they don't agree with us you know like there's there's actual consequences if you know like you're in a student meeting you're in a teacher's meeting and they ask your name and pronouns right it's strange it's just it's under it's nobody's forcing it and this is why what Greg talks about the soft totalitarianism it's under the guise of Tolerance love and coexist Pickers and what I'm wondering if you could give a response to this perspective like what are your thoughts about this well when somebody says uh if you're in a business right now and they're trying to force you to admit or to cite your pronouns I think you ought to have a meeting with your HR person and say hey I just have a question about some of our policies and I don't want to question anyone's intentions here I think all intentions here are good I just think there may be some unintended consequences that people may not have realized by this policy and my first question would be do you think it is okay to try and force people to violate their consciences and see what they say because if they say yes they've just probably violated the Civil Rights Act if they say no which is the right answer then you might say well please don't ask me to violate mine I'm here at this place to work and to provide anything I can here for the company to succeed I pledge that I'm going to treat everybody with respect because they're made in the image of God but we don't that doesn't mean we have to agree on every moral or political issue if that were the case no company could come together because not everyone's going to agree on every issue so I would simply ask them that question that do you think you ought to try and and force somebody to violate their conscience and if they say yes they're in big trouble if they say no you could say great then don't ask me to violate mine uh there's other questions you could ask as well but that would be where I would go and of course Greg and his book tactics says there's another question you can ask do you consider yourself a tolerant person right from a from a um a personal perspective of course they're going to have to say yes and then you can say great if I have an opinion on a controversial issue that is different from yours you'll tolerate it then right okay so um I think just asking for tolerance using their very phrases and their words can help them realize that what they're doing is wrong that's why I asked the lady at Cisco you know how do you define tolerance how do you define diversity how do you define inclusion and as soon as they begin to Define it they're not going to be able to answer the question without contradicting themselves because that's what this is now if people don't think this is forced upon you you're you haven't realized what's going on at the federal level or in the state of California Federal level on March 31st and I document this in the book correct not politically correct March 31st 2022 President Biden came out on trans visibility day and talked about how trans people are brave and how they're made in the image of God of course they're made in the image of God yeah what he left out was the second part of the verse that he made the male and female and then his HHS Department put out a memo that basically said that if you're a parent and your child identifies uh as another gender and you do not affirm them with what is now called gender affirming care a nice time Grace the government may come and take that child from you and you know in California they just I think they just passed a bill that said that yeah that the government can come into your home if your three-year-old girl thinks she's a boy and you don't affirm that they're going to come and take that child from you potentially this is madness Melissa and I don't care if you're a Christian or not if you don't stand against that um you don't know how to stand against evil I mean that's evil to have a government come into your house and take your child away from you and then potentially give your child puberty blockers cross-sex hormones and maybe even surgery something by the way that's impossible as I talk about in the book you can change your mind you can't change your your gender yes your sex it's impossible it's in every one of your 100 trillion cells you can change your mind but you can't change your biology and yet that's what this entire movement is trying to do change your biology and the research shows that people that actually go through with the surgery ten years after the surgery have a suicide rate 19 times higher than the general public which is very interesting yeah this is after the surgery they have a honeymoon period where they feel better but then later on at the 10-year Mark all proverbial Hell Breaks Loose and tragically the suicide rate is 19 times higher than the general public why because we've tried to treat a mental condition with surgery you can't do that in most cases you don't treat mental delusions with surgery you treat it with Psychiatry with with a cognitive therapy with counseling with prayer you don't treat it with surgery and yet that's the the road the medical community wants to take why cha-ching you can see how much money is involved here by the way as we point out in the book nobody ever completely transitions they have to get a lifetime of hormones to try and artificially force their body to go in a direction the body is not meant to go so this goes on and on and on it's it's a boon to the medical community because they make all sorts of money but to the people that actually go through it it actually doesn't solve the problem you can believe whatever you want but it's true that's right yeah and that's what they're trying to do is through this whole intolerance and inclusion and diversity uh Language by saying hey you know you're this is inclusive language this is diverse language use this language and without really realizing it you've you've agreed to and underguarded this sort of movement and I think that's one reason and one way that they they've kind of gotten into that and another thing you talk about is the government coming for our children you've talked about this a little bit before and uh you just kind of flawed out come out and say yeah the government says they're coming for your kids I'm wondering if you talk more about that because you and I before we got on and this is um one thing I really wanted to pick your mind about and I waited till we're online to talk about it but uh you watched what what is the name of the the movie I haven't seen it yet I just heard the interview that's right Jordan Peterson had with Tim Ballard and Jim Caviezel there's a new movie called sound of Freedom yes that just came out July 4th believe it or not this small movie put up by Angel Studios the same people that put out the chosen the movie despite the fact being in 2000 fewer theaters grossed more than the Indiana Jones movie the first day it came out because Jim Caviezel plays this guy Tim Ballard Tim Ballard was with the Department of Homeland Security and uh for a while was going out and trying to rescue kids who had been kidnapped into the sex uh the sex industry the the the trading the sex trafficking of children and he ultimately gave up his his government job to do this privately and started Underground Railroad I think it is in any event uh this uh this podcast you have to listen to It's the Jordan Peterson podcast I'll leave a link in the description yeah you can't unhear it that's the problem once you hear it the kind of horrific things that are going on with regard to uh sex trafficking and uh Tim in this podcast talks about one of the problems that we're experiencing in America first of all there's a big demand believe it or not for pedophilia in America uh but one of the big problems is the erosion of the moral codes that uh have made their way into the schools where now we're now teaching kids they can be any gender they want um we're we're telling kids they can transition all this feeds right into the sex trafficking industry and um so does pornography quite obviously and Tim makes the connection in this podcast so I'll leave the remaining comments for him he is he's a modern day hero when you read about what he's done he gave up his government job had six kids of his own to try and save a whole bunch of kids who are being trafficked and now he runs this ministry to continue to do that but here's here's one of the problems and we know this scripturally that sexual sin in particular leads you into more and more uh horrific kinds of behavior not always let me just put it this way not everybody who gets involved in sexual immorality obviously becomes a pedophile but the people that do become pedophiles they start small they start with um just normal pornography and they start going down a road to where as Paul talks about it in Romans chapter one if you suppress the truth long enough about God and start getting involved in sexual immorality he's going to give you up to a futile mind to the point where you're not only doing evil you're cheering on other people who are doing evil and so the people that do become pedophiles progressively go down or let's say regressively go down a road from pornography to child pornography to actually being engaged in the kind of behavior I don't even want to talk about when you listen to this podcast as I say you you cannot hear it some of the things that are going on and uh for us to just wink at this and go oh this is no big deal let's just keep moving the sexual lines you know what's coming next for uh approval in our country we've gone from uh I mean you can go way back to okay now pre-marital sex is fine now homosexuality is fine now transgenderism is fine what do you think's coming next I don't want to think about it yeah now the pedophiles are are calling themselves minor attracted persons right they have to make it sound good rather than what it is and uh so now when the government's involved to try and say this is a good thing not the pedophilia but the transgenderism and that we need to I mean look most it's so hard to even talk about this stuff when you have atheists like Bill Maher like Richard Dawkins coming out and saying like Richard Dawkins come out and said I'm sorry there's only two genders it's science um yeah Bill Maher brilliantly in a in a show he did back in May of 2022 called along for the pride pointed out how this whole transgender craze is social media driven and uh he said look kids go through phases uh he he said if everyone knew what they wanted to be when they were eight the world would be filled with princesses and cowboys yeah but it's not and he said when I was a kid I wanted to be a pirate thank God nobody took me seriously and took me for eye removal and peg leg surgery right yeah I mean he he can see the problem and tragically most American pastors are silent on the issue how can you be silent on this stuff when kids are are being mutilated when when when this feeds the whole sex trafficking industry how can you be silent on this oh we don't want to get political news flash the whole everything's political now and it's not because Christians made it political you know in Canada the Bible's political now that you can't preach certain Bible verses oh when they come for the Bible pastors are you going to stand up or are you going to say oh no that's political now we can't talk about that either yeah I mean Richard Dawkins Bill Maher Douglas Murray Dave Rubin these these guys Murray and Reuben identify as gay themselves and they're coming out against this I mean I was just on Dave's show uh just a week or two ago and uh I have more respect for him than some American pastors who are silent what are you doing you're not talking about this I mean you you know you know it from a Biblical perspective that you're gonna you're gonna be able to save people from by warning them about this you can know from a philosophical perspective this thing is contradictory in fact let me just give you a couple of points on this the people who are for transgender ideology or contradict themselves because on one hand they say there are no fixed genders that you know you can just you can there's a there's a blend you can just do whatever you want right on the other hand they unwittingly presuppose there are fixed genders yeah yeah because look if I'm a man and I think I'm a woman I have to have some idea what a man is and so my dad what a woman is to know I have this mismatch between my psychology and my biology also if I want to make the so-called transition which of course is impossible as we mentioned you can't change your 100 trillion cells but if I want to try I have to have some idea what a man is and some idea what a woman is in order to make the transition so on one hand they're saying oh there are no fixed genders on the other hand they have to presuppose fixed genders for transgender for transgenderism to even be possible secondly nature itself shows there's only two genders look all mammals can produce only one of two things either a sperm or an egg there's no third category you can't produce a third thing and if you can't produce either that's an incapacity that's not a third capacity so there are only two genders and yet people are trying to say there are multiple genders on one hand they're trying to say that on the other hand transgenderism wouldn't be possible uh if there weren't fixed genders so it's internally contradictory and as you know people who consider themselves lgbtq have are at a bit of they're in a bit of a civil war because if the t's get their way Melissa that there are no fixed genders DLS the G's and the bees don't exist lesbian gay or bisexual if there are no fixed genders and those genders presuppose so does heterosexuality presuppose fixed genders and the feminists aren't happy either because if there are no genders there are no women if there are no women there are no women's rights this is why JK Rowling yeah who is probably generally liberal politically has come out and said I'm sorry you're erasing women by this whole transgender movement and she's right so she she has more courage than many American pastors tragedy yeah no it's really interesting that you you kind of call that them out on that because I think there's there's an element of you know and I've kind of been researching this myself but you know like the this model a lot of churches have a lot to do with melt needs not necessarily preaching Theology and the gospel because the offense that it brings you got to keep that at a minimum and so I think that's part of it is that the culture like the American gospel culture so to speak I think is part of it uh but now you're you're spot on I think that it's really interesting because you know the algorithm on YouTube people might complain about it I like it um it puts videos like us in front of people's eyes that might be interested in it but everything you just said about you know the like there are lesbians that are angry there are gay men that are angry you know about this uh the ideology that's coming along and they're getting lumped in it and there's these YouTubers that come up in my algorithm that said exactly what you just said uh that they are in agreement with us that they're like do we just not exist you know I'm and it's really interesting to to hear their perspective on that that there is a civil war going on and they're upset about what goes on at Pride parades and they're like why are we bringing kids into this you know like we never wanted this this was not the intent and all of a sudden it's just everybody's going after the children trying to I want to say it's a strong word but indoctrinate them with this ideology it's not just about accepting uh who these people are it's an ideology that comes along with it so but yeah there's there's so much that we could talk about and say and I'm gonna leave that link in the description for everybody to check out um I actually haven't watched it yet and I just heard about it because of Frank so probably after this I will take a look um go hide in a closet somewhere and cry while I watch it and um apparently the movie is powerful too and I haven't seen it myself Melissa but this I think it's called sound of Freedom yes and I struggle with movies like that because it's true and you know you it's it's kind of like I think Greg does this right where he shows this abortion video and I think he purposely looks away um because he doesn't want to desensitize himself from it you know he doesn't want to get to a point where that doesn't bother him and I'm exceedingly bothered by child trafficking uh I have two girls myself and there's there's a reality there that I have to see you know to to know how to protect them and protect my family you know so but yeah I'll leave that in the description check it out guys and uh Frank's book I will also leave a descript a link in the description for you guys to check out every we just scratched the surface you guys there's so much uh that we could have talked about um in his book it was a good read it's very statistics uh heavy as far as this stuff goes yeah I do want to say that Amazon has been sold out for about a week or so we don't have the book uh at crossexamine.org so if you go to crossexamine.org and click on store you'll see it there uh and uh it's the third edition it's selling really well because so many people don't know how to answer the transgender issue and that's what I try and do even if you're not a Christian I try and show that as I say from a natural law medical perspective if you care about people you're not going to lead them down a road that is not going to work you're going to try and have them try and fix their their gender dysphoria through a proper counseling because you can change your mind you can't change your biology that's the proper way of dealing with a a mental issue and as we point out in the book so much of this goes back to Childhood trauma we're not trying to get into it now but in the book we talk about how many people have decided that they have gender dysphoria and they can trace it back to child trauma you know and you know what else it reminds me of I was talking to a friend the other day who she's she works in law enforcement and she's I forget the fancy name for her job but she works with like victims like a Victim Unit she advocates for them and she sees a lot of stuff and it reminds me of the cool mom syndrome right where hey you're a runaway you come to my house I'll take you in I'm loving I will accept you the way you are and true story like these houses there's houses in my area that are like that where if you if you're doing drugs if you are running away from your home whatever it is that you are doing that's the cool house to go to that's the hangout place and the mom there or the dad there or whatever is doors wide open and they let you do whatever they want do whatever you want here in my home you are safe here and horrible things happen in these homes really bad things because there are no boundaries there's only affirmation and uh there's just been really bad things that have happened and that's exactly what it reminds me of is that people are trying to affirm come come to me come to my home you can be who you are and what you are when in reality the true reality of it is is that the boundaries are important uh yeah yeah and calling that stuff out in love and saying no like there's better for you there's a better life there's a better way for you and I don't think anybody wants to be that person they want to be the cool mom and so it reminded me of that while you were talking and yeah a few times it's like if a fish jumps out of your fishbowl he's outside of the boundaries that allow him to flourish yeah you're not going to say to the fish hey you can stay outside the Fishbowl whatever you want to do is fine no if you really love that fish you're going to put him back in an environment where he can flourish and that requires certain boundaries and people don't want boundaries but boundaries are life if you don't have boundaries you're going to destroy yourself and others pretty quickly yeah so Frank thank you so much for talking uh coming on to talk about this very tough topic it is I hope you guys will check out the description yeah find out more um and yeah thanks for coming on all right thanks Melissa see you soon

Channel: Melissa Dougherty

Views: 68,112

Keywords: Melissa dougherty, frank turek, cross examined, melissa dougherty frank turek, melissa dougherty ex new ager, melissa dougherty new age, theology, apologetics, LGBTQ, transgender debate

Id: yKF69zFxrSI

Length: 45min 47sec (2747 seconds)

Published: Thu Jul 27 2023