Comp Lair Live #31| Guest: Michelangelo Frisoni, Senior Compositor | Tech Corner: Procedural Looks

[Music] hello hello hello everyone how you doing it's been a while it's been what like um maybe three weeks i told you that this probably would happen uh from our last conversation here at the show and it happened so welcome uh everyone once again and i hope you're doing fine summer is almost over at least on this atmosphere so depending on where you at maybe you're starting the summer now but where i'm at the summer is getting more and more fainted unfortunately but i think we still have like a couple of weeks so i will still take advantage of that so this is my promise my premise yes to say that there might be a case that uh the next show i don't think that's that that will happen though but i will let you know but i was about to say that there might be a case uh in which the same thing will happen like having um an interval more than a couple of weeks uh because i want to take uh the advantage as much as i can out of the weather but as i said this is kind of a joke but this might happen i don't think it will actually but in any case i already gave you this promise anyway so how's everybody doing let's check the chat here so one second here how's everyone doing so we have who do we have here we have cheryl we have gavin sabine michelangelo hello hello everybody and uh we're gonna start with the usual so since the last time we spoke uh kinda i don't remember this as i said this was like around three weeks ago more or less and um i'm not entirely sure about what what was the uh the situation regarding pandemic but in any case it seems like the infections are going seriously up again unfortunately and uh although the vaccines turns out because you know the fact that the vaccines are going up uh so severely once again it seems that uh it turns out it seems so am i to say right but it seems like the vaccines might not be like a done deal in terms of protections um protection wise against infections the infection itself but it's indisputable uh that they have you know a good efficacy regarding uh you know at least at least uh serious infest serious disease coming from the infection and that's uh so you know uh for those of you that are on on the fence whether or not you get vaccinated i think you should in my opinion of course this is not a political show although this is not politics and more about um what i consider to be public health uh but yes the show is not about public health anyway but since you know this show was born out of the pandemic this was actually something that we always talk about in the beginning and um you know it seems like the infections are going up you know kind of severely once again unfortunately in the uk europe has a good rule out of the vaccine but um for example it seems like there's some confinements again lockdowns uh again in china uh and lockdowns also in other parts of the world i believe in new zealand still still is in lockdown and so is australia so this is uh stuff that it's uh currently happening still and it seems also that in europe although you know the vaccination rollout continues and now by the way now for the younger ones i think now the age range for the vaccine rollout is for 12 and 15 years old the rest of the population uh was were already given the or invited to to get at least one dose of the vaccine and i think i might be wrong here but i think the plan for this age gap or this end rage is to get one vaccine i'm not entirely sure about that so sorry if if i'm not saying things correctly but i think that's the the case but in other parts of the world this this problem is is is real again you know uh for example in the u.s they seem to have like or experiencing real trouble on getting uh population in a good number uh to be vaccinated and they're not facing serious issues because of that being more specifically because of the delta variant which is the dominant variant around the world i believe and president biden already warned the population i think this was like a week ago that the u.s u.s government is patience is very thin and i quote uh quote-unquote quote-unquote is wearing thing so i think part of you know that communication was to mention that and i'm not again i'm not entirely sure about uh you know not nearly sure like as in like 100 being like that but i believe that um there are some vaccination mandates or obligations to uh whoever works for the government uh over over the u.s i'm not entirely sure about this this is the part that i'm not entirely sure but definitely there are some mandates regarding vaccines over there and you know due to the fact that uh president said like patience is wearing thin we'll see if this mandate gets extended to other perps parts of the population so this is what what's happening in the u.s still whereas in europe a lot of countries uh uk being one of them my country being another one are not you know we had like these masks mandates and other things so all of those measures are dropping one by one slowly but very care carefully and cautiously because even just uh i think it was either today or yesterday not that the summary is finishing as i said in the beginning uh at least in the gov at least in the uk the government already mentioned that it's wise for the population to be prepared for some possible complications regarding the virus during the winter time so basically the rules might change in that regard once again of course nobody wants that nobody whether it's the government or the population nobody wants to experience the same things that we've experienced last winter time especially during christmas i can't believe that we're talking about christmas already um it seems like christmas was uh it's still a long way to go but that's not the case actually because we are in september already if you can't believe that but um yeah so still on this topic uh regarding the uk the winter plan was laid out by the health secretary as recently as today if i'm not mistaken or yesterday and this includes the rollout of a booster jab for people over 50 and this starts from next week already so this is moving fast in the uk uh regarding this and this means that um there are some indications about the possible disruption again during the winter time and that's why they want to make sure that this booster gets rolled out before uh with enough time before we reach the winter time and uh so we don't get to that you know same state as we had last week so the big difference in comparison with you know from this year from to the past year was that now we have accents we are even talking about like a booster vaccine uh so that's a very very very big change so you know i've i've been right most of the time regarding this not because again i have like special information or anything like that just my good feeling about uh you know all the episodes that we watched regarding you know this pandemic unfortunately and um a lot of times i've been right in terms of my predictions so we'll see if i'm right this time again or not i'm always happy to be wrong uh if it's for the the benefit of everyone as well but i don't think we're gonna see another lockdown in europe i don't think that's gonna that's that's gonna happen although what we might see is some changes in rules and apparently the government is already announcing some of them so yeah uh we'll see what happens but uh the fact that we have vaccines it's a very very big big change obviously um what else uh there's also a plan b for the uk which includes vaccine passports and compulsor compository masks so mass expanded once again and i quote highly likely that healthcare workers will face mandatory coffee jams so this was not in place until now it's not in place yet but the fact that they are kind of announcing this now uh this might mean that you know something like that will be in place just as a well they call it plan b we'll see if this turns out to be the plan a but yeah this is where we at still i can't believe that we're still talking about these rules and changing and preventive measures or actual measures because of you know vaccines going up but this is still where we at although as i said the fact that we have vaccines is a big big change obviously so i hope everyone's watching uh independently of where you are watching this because you have people fortunately watching this all over the world uh i hope everyone's okay i hope you're not one of these people that are facing lockdowns but if you are um this will go away at some point okay this is true it's not just me saying it just for the sake of it this is actually what will happen for sure just have to hang on uh to this uh in this moment for a while but this will go away for sure actually regarding uh our industry vfx of course a very big news this week actually yesterday i believe so the neck company that i've already worked with is gonna start paying overtime so this is very very very big very very big so this never happened in the uk regarding our industry of course this happens in other parts of the world uh for example canada in many different locations obviously but not in europe so this is very big and this was actually a trend let's call it trend because i believe it's going to be a trend this was actually started by outpost and at that time i think we talked about this here in this show and i i think i said something along the lines like i think others will join and here we are now we have other people joining this um not other other people only i'm talking about like a very big player uh as big as the neg is so i think that's it um it said we'll see if i'm wrong once again but i think this is a done deal i think from now on companies will change their rules the way that they've been operating until now this is one of the changes very big changes i said but other things are already happening because now what's happening is very interesting it's like companies fighting and finding is a word that i'm using not or that they've used but it's basically what it is right they are trying to come up with ideas to get people in because now there's a lot of work uh so the the the hiring spree as i've been calling it continues growing and growing and in the uk more specifically because of brexit a lot of people end the pandemic at the same time so we had that combo right um a lot of people uh left the uk right and uh and now you know companies need people and probably they don't have enough people for the amount of work that they have so you know measures like this will you know favor the game um to company a or company bb so of course it's uh it's a no-brainer uh obviously okay company a offers overtime and b doesn't so right i think it's easy to choose uh and we're talking about not a small company talking about dna with all good projects that they have they've been winning actually i remind everyone the last i believe five oscars for vfx so of course this is a very very big deal and i think this coins uh the the change from now on in graphics regarding the uk right how's everybody feeling here everybody no one's saying anything about this because uh well i don't know why but uh you know this to be true and it's it's a good thing for everybody so uh that's it regarding the pandemic uh and pandemic overall and pandemic regarding our industry and now uh of course as usual uh we're gonna talk about uh technical highlight of the week and this time i'm gonna highlight something that is actually from a foundries web page uh in which you can find several examples uh for not only regarding nuke particles but more specifically about new particles and things that look cool simple to do and you have the ability of of checking them out checking the scripts and see what what they do and then do the modify the the needed the changes needed for you to accommodate that to your needs to your shot to your project basically so i'll be putting the link below uh in the description after the show is over and uh this was actually mentioned by attila uh in the in the last group called for the next level so thank you thank you attila once again i didn't know about this you know this page so now i'm sharing with everybody but i think it's uh it's it's useful okay uh by the way since i've just mentioned artilla in the next level for those of you because some people have been asking for those of you that are interested in um the next phase of enrollments uh please go to the website completevfx.com register your interest in the next phase of enrollments and then we'll be in touch uh hopefully very very soon as soon as like one week or something like that okay so yeah it's that time again basically all right cool guys now it's time for the tech corner uh tech corner this time we're going to talk about procedural ways of achieving looks and this time it's going to be with i just mentioned particles it's going to be with particles so i hope you enjoyed this we're talking about i'm not gonna tell tell you about uh what what this is exactly so you'll see what it is but after that we can have our guests and some of you might know this person okay some of you might know this person so we're gonna talk about um this person and a little bit about the deck corner as well but for now let's uh hope you enjoyed the tech corner and let's see it now all right bye see you into in 15 minutes more or less all right bye see [Music] so today we're going to talk about alternative techniques to procedurally make thunders on a generic sky like this one for example particle system actually has some very cool applications if we use them in this way and that's exactly what we're gonna do today so first of all before we even touch on the sky part we're gonna just open a card and then we're gonna open the camera generic one and then we're gonna use our skin line render so normal setup here nothing crazy and now we're gonna do something that we already discussed before which is we're gonna link the camera to the actual card and the reason for that is we don't want to have a different perspective once we are capturing our card with something that we're going to put on top that it's different from the actual image that is going to come in here otherwise we think we're going to map something in here and it turns out if we don't do what i'm about to show you probably this is not going to be here the origin of interest but it's going to be somewhere else so in order to avoid that problem we're going to link the camera with the card and we're going to link the focal length to the lensing focal here and then the horizontal aperture here as well so now they're linked what this means in the 3d space is we're going to follow the frustum of the camera even if we go really far away from the camera if we use the z slider to do that it's going to be obviously in the first room of our camera so now what we're going to do is use this to our advantage in order for us to map things procedurally so we can do what we discussed which is put generic sky like this with procedural thunders so we're going to use a particular emitter as discussed and the card is going to be actually our emitter and as the particle we're going to use something very generic as just a constant with a square format can be a very small one it doesn't really matter for now and you'll see why and then i'm going to use just a radial and our radius is going to be in the middle can actually take this out and now this will be our particle let's see what happens so as expected if we don't do anything of course our emitter is going to emit our particles but what i want to use the particle emitter for is to create random spots within the actual car that we have in here so to do that we actually have to put our velocity set to zero and now we can have something appearing and disappearing like that to increase the randomness of this i'm gonna change the mid from instead of points i'm gonna put these two faces and i'm gonna have something a little bit more spread out within the actual emitter which is our card and i'm gonna change the size and the emission rate and stuff like that so i want just a few of them so this is already a bit too much let's put this like that maybe it's a bit too fast so let's change things a bit to the max lifetime still a bit too much so i'm gonna maybe put this to 0.1 maybe it's even a bit too much let's do this because we just want you know this once in a while and some of them they seem to appear more than what i really want so we're going to go to the max lifetime here and we're gonna decrease this value to something like five so we're gonna use this and you'll see that why this now makes sense in terms of why we link these two together so now if i look at this guy here i'm making sure because they're linked that that font is gonna actually appear on my canvas whatever that format might be so let's now pause this part in here okay for now and let's now do something to our sky so what we're gonna do is to transform it a bit and put it like this i just put the transform the crop so we just care about this parking gear and the idea now is to basically use this to drive something that we can do with the sky let's now again focus on the sky so what do we really want so normally things that we can do for this purpose will be based on the gear and we connect the gear here based on luminance and then we try to extract those areas like that and then we can use this as a mask to drive this type of stuff for example so it's basically the same concept but instead of you isolating parts manually the idea is to isolate them procedurally with this this will be the driving force for it to map okay where do i want to see this type of stuff and just in case you're wondering the beautiful thing about using this technique is that every time that you use descent up you can vary the randomness by just going here on the random seed and now you have like a different distribution with the same settings with the same speed velocity so the behavior in terms of like frequency and stuff like that is basically the same if you don't change the settings upwards but the whole thing is going to appear differently because it's a different distribution basically so let's focus on this part now what can we do to improve this part here so let's isolate this particle here and of course this is way too perfect so we need to break this perfection and the way that we're going to break this perfection is obviously with a noise something like this and then with the knight distort now i can break the perfection of those lines and now every time that we have one of these things it will be different see so now it's different and then you can increase the distribution you can increase the emission rate you can increase you know whatever so i've just increased the emission rate so we should expect more particles within the same frame range now the idea is either you change you know these settings within the particle system or you can do other things after the system itself i'm talking about for example the size you can increase the size while you're in the system in here to become more or less it's really up to you and you can actually and this is something that i would always advise you to have this as being random as well because that's exactly what you expect you don't want all the particles to follow the same size so i can then go here and vary the size on the subsequent ones that we should expect so now the sizes between them should vary as much as you want by moving the slider in here and if you want to still keep the falloff you can so you can do it in here and maybe this is a good option and because you're putting the falloff prior the distortion you're gonna have that falloff beta this way instead of putting a blur afterwards because the blur afterwards gonna destroy that kind of a thing now we're gonna maybe slightly increase this a bit more now we're gonna use this to basically isolate the parts in which we want to do something about the sky so first of all as i said we gonna first of all use the remove here because this is the format that we want to keep in only for the format that's the only purpose of why we're using this and now we're going to put the background there so now the format that comes out from the second iron is going to be exactly the same as the actual image that we want to manipulate so now this map is going to be the driving force for us to do whatever we need to do on the sky now can you use this guy as your mat to do this type of work that we discussed before and there's variations on how you can do this for example you can have this type of stuff and you can play with the luminous that you want to keep from the sky or you can also try to use this directly as your mask towards your image let's see what this will give us instead of using the luminance like that let's do it like this and what i like to do in cases like this is to use the caution to grow or shrink of course we're going to break the perfection but if we do it this prior maintain some of the breakup that the noise will give you instead of doing this because this will just going to be just like a blob there so here now we can change you know how much breakup you want coming from the actual noise and this is one option i don't think this is actually very interesting but it's one option you can also use this to be multiplied by whatever you have coming from here let's say that you want to keep this stuff like this and then you want to use this as a mask to multiply that luminance map in here so you're gonna keep that luminous map only on that region okay and this is probably a better option if we do this and play it you'll see that this will be procedurally distributed let's maybe vary the distribution just to see if we can have things a little bit more interesting let's put this to one we need to increase this quite a lot let's set this to 30. this frame here is interesting because that's where things happen so now we can try to vary this part in here coming from the actual luminance to see what we can do about it and this is how you try to carve for you know structures like this within your sky in this case okay you can do things like this for example then you can blur this afterwards if you want to just to break those hard lines but be careful because if you do it too much you're gonna break also the illusion so let's play it so as you can see there's different levels of success within you know what are the structures that the luminous map will give you in terms of you know interesting things for you to show so this one is a interesting one i'm not really happy with this one because we can see that this is just like a sort of a roto shape so let's put this to 200 maybe might be a little bit more interesting maybe these lines here are a little bit too hard but we'll see what we can do about it maybe this one now it's going to be really really big the one that we saw before but this is the time in which you can apply with the settings in here to vary the size for example if that's the case if you think it's too big this is where you're going to change things so let's go to that frame yeah this is way too big so we're going to reduce the size you know this can be a good place maybe you need to be subtle with these things get these some of them will be really broad as we just discussed in here and some of them will be more seriously placed you can have like variations of this part in here so you can accommodate both parts of the look you're going to take a look at that as well but before we do that we can explore a different way to carve for structures because the success of something like this is where you see actual structures you know that when a thunder happens you know it's light being emitted and it's going to reveal things probably that are happening below the clouds that you can see sometimes it's not easy to search for that so we're gonna try to explore different things that we can do to achieve those structures a bit more realistically a way that i always like because it's so easy is to use a blur and then a minus you probably know what the result will be because you you've done this for separating frequencies and we're going to use this with a grade or with the gamma we're going to take the saturation now because we can use this as a max and these frequencies as you know can be bigger or smaller depending on what you're going for but this is also a good way to vary how the thunders will appear so let's keep the same simulation and instead of using this technique we're going to use this one just to see what this will give us so we're going to use basically again the same math and let's say that we're going to multiply with this situation in here because we're playing with the alpha channel i'm just going to shuffle one of the rgb channels to the upper channel because i'm just going to use the red channel so now red and off is going to be the same and now if i'm multiplying this on the alpha channel i'm going to have this that's exactly what i'm going to use for my matte i'm going to keep this one as it was disabled and now i'm going to use another one with different values so i don't lose those ones i said that i want this to 500 something like that not pretty yet this is where you're now gonna decide which order is the correct one for you in terms of how you want things to look and i think this is actually the better connection order and now you're gonna have either more or less and it seems like with this technique you're revealing things behind the front clouds it's like something with some depth the edges are a bit broken so we can actually use this stuff in here see it seems like you are carving structures that you couldn't see before and this is quite effective in situations like this so the idea would probably be to have one system in which you're gonna use a certain distribution with this technique so we're gonna do that so we're gonna keep actually the previous one see how nice this can look and then another one with just this okay but if we're gonna do this we're gonna use a different distribution just to have different things going so let's say that now i have more of them happening and i want a random seed of three now so i want this to now follow this side so you see things they are being addressed differently it seems like we're keeping this and it's only behind it says something is happening am i completely happy with the look no because the look is not developed yet we're just taking care of the bases of the look with the technique included so we're not gonna work so much on the look but more on the technique as usual to achieve the look the loop will be up to you depending on the situation if this was working before with this level of blur it might not be working now so now probably want to change this here to something different now one of the interesting and key parts of having thunders even without the actual thunder itself it's obviously the glow and that's a very very important piece so what you can do with the glow is to just isolate that part of the picture in which we have some of these things happening for example i just want to glow this piece i don't want to glow the entire image so in order for me to do that what i'm going to do is i'm going to separate this moment from the actual picture so what is different in this picture in comparison with the original one that's basically what i'm saying so i'm going to use this as minus plus and if i do this minus i'm going to have just that part and this is the part the only part that i'm going to glow if it's too much it will look weird is it too strong probably it's too strong and it's too big also so this is the part in which you're gonna go here on the sides and maybe vary this a bit i'm not gonna work too much on this one but i'm just telling you this is where you do things let's not forget that this look here was actually working really well if we were using this on top so let's see how this will look like you see this is actually a good one as well a good combo so you basically have a normal mapping based on the luminance and then what we are doing on top in this case is to search for structures within this way separating the frequencies like we discussed before and then we're going to use something on top so this is the result the difference okay and if you want you can also have another thing going like this between this result and the actual first initial one to isolate parts and to now have a different type of glow something like this so this is really really strong but again i'm not working on the look i'm working on the technique now things are disappearing quite severely and that's actually not a good thing let's go to where this happens in a way to have control how fast this disappears is to basically work on what's driving the appearance and disappearance of that thing there so after this guy here what happens if we put a frame blend so for example five frames more realistic but still a bit too much maybe it's all about varying things to the way that you want and you can also have something driving this number between you know two limits of your choice so some of them will look very fast and some of them will look a little bit slower in terms of appearing and disappearing this can be very effective and after that you can also link real thunders to go with it if you want to i'm just going to show you different looks that you can achieve with this technique this one for example all of this is random and this can be as severe as you really want but the main thing in here is for you to understand that you know it's possible to dig for structures procedurally and if you happen to lead teams this is actually a very good way the same setup that can be actually compiled into a tool to vary the look between them without touching anything apart from the look if that's the case but sometimes if the look is developed and the sky is the same you have a good chance that the loop will hold between all of these shots just a distribution that's probably what's going to be different so this is what i wanted to show you today which is achieving procedural looks based in particles for situations in which you probably wouldn't think of particles to achieve them i hope you liked it see you next time hello again so very simple right very very simple we looked at variations about this technique in previous episodes not to achieve the same thing uh in order to achieve looks procedurally but to achieve other things with particles that's what i mean but yeah very simple and altered i just wanted to mention something an alternative way in comparison to what i've showed to basically still have something procedurally done very similar to what i've showed today is to have a version of a site a sky completely um with thunders like completely filled with thunders and then it will be the particles done in this way that will drive the appearance or disappearance of where they appear and disappear within that version of the sky completely filled with with with thunder so that's also a variation but the key part about the the technique about this technique i mean is definitely the way that you generate particles to generate these appearing and disappearing looks and there's many other things that you can use again once again procedurally to achieve the look like having some flickering happening in in different parts of of the the campus in which you are playing with and many other things it's all about imagination really but as i said the key aspect about the technique is to procedurally generate uh where they appear and disappear and how they appear and disappeared so it it can be different but consistent look-wise uh throughout like a whole sequence for example very easy to do in this way cool so now it's time for our guest as usual right and some of you as i mentioned that some of you might know him uh depending on who's watching you might know him uh very well actually so without further ado let's welcome our guest in five seconds [Music] yes it's milk alonso look at him hey pedro how are you doing man it's been a long long time it's been a long long time right definitely a long time and it's been too long actually it seems like a month ago but like four yeah the very last time that we saw each other it was a a month ago uh so maybe it's best to to tell the story um but but before that then you know first and and foremost happy birthday because you just said your your butter like a couple of days ago or something yeah it was right 9 11 9 11 that's right wow 30 years old right exactly exactly oh man i still remember i still remember today uh i think i think i was actually believe it or not i think i i turned 30 when i was in australia i might be wrong about this but i actually i think i'm pretty pretty right on this one but uh so this goes to show you that i still remember i'm not 3 30 years old anymore unfortunately but 31 31 but uh yeah but happy birthday man how was it how do you feel we're 30 years old now which is a like a big milestone right yeah it's a big milestone and actually um i thought oh man you're you're becoming old and then my parents as a gift give me like the the head of iron man that it's a legal construction it's like nah i'm a child oh i was so happy never been that happy for a gift so you are a geek like that yeah i you know what i am not i come on you just you just gave that away that you went i didn't know that was going to excite me so much like i never bought illegals since i was a child like they give it to me as a gift just saying like maybe he's gonna like it i'm like oh man i love this well you just mentioned that you know it's the best birthday in years but best birthday uh gift in years so exactly i discovered while they were giving me that gift that i was loving that so much but yeah that's cool all right uh i've never i've never liked lego by the way if i can mention lego just here not as an endorsement obviously because i'm saying that i've never played with lego but apparently you did and for some reason it should match my personality but for some reason i never i never got into it uh i don't know why i mean i you know i received legos and i would build like exactly what's in the box and how you should build it but that's not the main purpose of something all of that kind of toy right the purpose for kids is to build whatever you want right inside of your imagination but for some reason i was not really into it but anyway i i'm happy that you that you are and did you like the gift so much you'll see next time build like behind me just go right there uh as i was saying it's good to see you once again uh mika lunch last time that we saw each other was like a month ago and uh but before that we have to say that we met i think it was more than six months ago now january or something like that january right yeah because michelangelo was part of the very first class of the next level program right yeah and uh a month ago or something like that i put this on the on social media with it me and monica uh you guys were very kind and made a a sweatshirt like it's like a tour sweatshirt right like uh one of those two um you know sweatshirts from from bands with you know everybody that participated in the first class so that was amazing and i i could i could never have guessed that you guys would would do something like that so thank you once again uh from me and monica obviously uh but yeah so that was the last time this was like a month ago or actually more than that but uh maybe two i will say maybe two maybe yeah time flies especially during this pandemic do you have that that uh feeling as well like that time is running out like very fast like i i'm in my mind uh i came back from canada in may but actually it was may of last year so i'm like wait a second where all that time has been like yeah exactly i didn't leave that time and i i got married in the meantime so that's true i didn't know that all right on october of last year yep it's almost one year like almost one year of my wedding what yeah yeah and i know yeah yeah because i have the same feelings like you know also because of the pandemic and it seemed but at the same time i was about to say that it's sort of a contradiction because the world was on pause mode but at the same time it seems like the in some regards time moved really fast because as you just mentioned you know we more than a year went by and you didn't realize that it was one year you know so it's kind of a contradiction isn't it i think it because like every day was looking a little bit more like the the other day like every day was similar because we didn't like at least in italy we had the we couldn't go out after 10 p.m and you couldn't go to restaurants so you were leaving your day every day at home so i think this helped like blending it was like a time blend yeah a frame blended right connected to our lives for that period of time yeah i'm not sure but uh you know it's sort of a contradiction but for sure that happened and a lot of changes also happen i think it's also because of that because you know at that time a week would went by and it seemed like a month or more than that um and a lot of changes happening at the same time um not only but also regarding auto industry and uh me personally you know a lot of changes right uh and on a personal level which is what brought us together uh to meet each other you know the life the the program was was actually a reality that i've never thought of being able to to have the time to do it and you know it's all part of the same thing but it's kind of a contradiction that the world was on pause mode but at the same time everything in some regard seems to go really really fast so but how how life is treating you uh since that time that uh you graduated from actually pretty well like i started working at trickster right in middle the like i think before the end of the the course of the class uh a couple of weeks before and i'm still with them and i'm putting in practice a lot of the techniques that we learn yeah one of my favorite and it's one of the simplest is that i just do the minus operation with the upper part of the tree and then plus so i can pre-com paint notes and all this kind of stuff and now like i was looking at a script today that i that i did it was like a pretty big script with a lot of cg i was thinking i was like oh man this looks so beautiful because everything even the stuff that you couldn't do just over it you can do that with with this technique it's so simple simple is good as i you know i always say the same thing but it's true uh oftentimes the simplest solution is not only the most effective one it's also the most easy to understand and easier to troubleshoot as well which is a very important thing about what we do troubleshoot right because you know things change there's all these problems to solve and there's a lot of troubleshooting you know going on right so simple is always best then complicated always always i don't care who you are how many of experience you might have yeah i know it's simple thinking simple terms helps everybody and i was about to ask regarding that on that topic or on that note how's your journey with bison has been all right i'll see you tomorrow python um that's the thing uh when we did the course i had a lot of time and i started practicing quite a lot and i was on the on the way of like oh man i'm just i'm understanding how things works and i know where to look at if i have a problem then i start working and i start doing also overtime and stuff and i'm so tired every time i go back home that i yeah you need the time yeah uh sometimes i go back and look at the python classes not because i have like a project to do but just to see the the the the scripting the way of thinking to draw oh yeah that's how how you do it and no because i have a project but i don't want to lose it but right now i didn't have any time i mean you can find the time if you really want to yeah but you definitely need time and and time also means that you should be in that sort of mood because you know if you're tired yes you can make up time you can make up an hour but if you're really tired you're not going to do anything with it regarding these type of things you might as well like spending the time with your family you know and uh or do you know other things uh but this type of topic definitely i understand completely where you're saying he needs education but that they just looking at them sometimes and just going and look at the script that i did it's like oh that's how i did it it's there like it's in my mind yeah and it's definitely the step that i needed to actually start thinking seriously it's more about the way you think right and i think you can translate the way you think and actually code with python or any with any other language to take that kind of approach about the way you think and break down problems to other things that you do that you know to do you know what i mean i i you know some people that don't know python or any other language language they think that they will be better artists if you're talking about vfx of course they think they're going to be better artists just because they know this language or that language and that's not the way it works it might be a better artist just because you know if you learn things with it maybe your mind changes in the way that you approach compositing like as without without python even you know what i mean but it's just a way i think at least see what for me like that uh many years ago when i started out with python so yeah uh it takes time uh but i was curious to to to ask you because that was like uh one of your goals at that time and i remember that right so keep going yeah slowly before that i i was working from home with my home machine so i really had the need to do that and i actually i was taking an advantage of it like when you work in a company i mean i don't know that's my personal case uh you don't need it unless it's a very specific case scenario maybe you're developing some some tools that a lead or uh comes who have asked you yeah uh for me i i didn't have the need for that so that's why also one of the reason why i pause it but yeah it's not like uh like um i understand what you're saying it's not something that will stop from you will prevent you to work uh necessarily speaking you can still go about your work in any way but i think it's a very very good way for you to send out from the crowd and also educate yourself to achieve better things different things in a different way you know but definitely you need the time uh and on this topic as well since you just turned 30 now what was your resolution um for this milestone if you have so i didn't have any by the way when i turned 30 not a specific one but maybe you might have i don't know i want to become a camp soap by the age of 35 and i could say like in my mind is by this year but i'll be honest with you i wanna every time i work in a company and i look at the things um the vfx soups talks about the com soup talks about the way they do things they organize themselves i say oh my god like there's so much that i need to learn like every time there's so much and i i don't want to burn like i don't know how to say that in english i don't want to burn like the steps like um i want to do like these steps slowly like i'm leaning toward them and actually trying to fill the gaps and and say i i will like realistically say 35 like become a comes to be a good concept like a really good concept yeah and for now being a lead like yeah it's one time at a time isn't it like if you do things slowly but uh you know like with good foundations uh that can only be a good thing right and uh it's also an important thing to mention regarding what you're saying at the moment because a lot of people they want to become this and they want to become that with either realistic or unrealistic time frames just because someone is ahead of them or whatever but i think one one thing one key aspect about all of this is there will be always someone ahead of you and behind the view you know what i mean and behind you i mean so you know it's it's a it's like a an impossible task to think like that because there will be always as i said someone in front of you and says i mean and people behind you so you know it's better to you know be comfortable about the steps you take uh so because that that will be the good foundation for you to pursue other things in a good way not in a rushed way yeah i mean complete hopefully by the year like i'm already giving notes and that kind of stuff so that's a more approachable um goal for now like i will say for my 30s um but yeah that's like i love the reason why i love this job and the reason why i want to become a com super is that um every time is different like we use the same tools we use the same software we use all the things that are the same and every time you discover something new and never happens right it never ends and every time i start a shot i'm like oh how do i do that and it's the same question is the same same task that i had to do on the other screen in the other shot but it's different like it's never the same thing um and i love this and um like become a calm soap i think you you have to have like um a bit not not a busy understanding but like to to manage all this um uncertainty that sometimes comes up when you have to deal with a task like i believe like for the comm soups that i had like they they have an issue and they know immediately how to solve it because they have so much um experience and knowledge and they know how to deal with that and they start experimenting and they're not afraid of that so i think i will be ready when i'll be like i'm not afraid of what i have in front of me i mean not that i'm afraid but yeah this is it's a different uh thought process it's a more deep uh consciousness of what you have in front of you and also a a good thing that will help you you i mean whoever wants to go on that path you know it's it it's helpful i think to have also life experience exactly for the reasons that you just mentioned like you when you're presented with something that you don't know that you've never well you've done something similar but it seems that you know this time feels different for some reason and you don't really know how to tackle you're not going to panic you know so life you know can can also teach you a lot regarding you know these professional roles whatever they may be you know what i mean like okay let's not panic let's assess this in a con way because if you're panicking you're not gonna find any solutions because you're just like on panic mode right and uh and a lot of times you know supervision is is is also about that and you'll see many different people of many different levels of experience some of them like 30 years of experience um 40 even 50 that they start a project and they and there's i can um i can put actually uh by the end of the the show i'll link about one of these people very very experienced people uh oscar winner and all and one of the cool aspects about uh hearing some of these people talking is exactly what you mentioned okay how are we gonna do this you know as if they they're not experienced they are very experienced but for some reason it seems like they they're doing this for the first time so this never ends you know what i mean it's more about the calmness to assess the situation and to go for the situation uh and that's a lot there's all you know to tackle this in a good way it's one of the key aspects i think it's to have life life experience in many different ways in my life experience i mean not only age but also moving around companies not being in the same company all the time all experimenting with different approaches workflows pipelines etc one thing that i found key on this uh that you're talking about is not just getting the experience in studios but like for me it's been very formative the the fact that i've been freelancing but not for companies just for projects and there was like the responsible was compositor vfx supervisor it was everything because it could be like a one-man show and that kind of experiences that i had and i think that people that had it take the most out of it was to be the guy responsible for that like to take responsibility and i think that it's that helped me a lot get to where i am like if you look at my experience um mostly work as freelance like by myself for projects like that than in companies i mean maybe it's half off now and and that's the thing is uh i think i need more experience in the companies to get what we were talked about like of the knowing how to how to take this uh like uh group wise like we we are a team and we have the lighters the the effects guys and man is all of that and to know perfectly all of that like in the measurement part of it and the responsibility you can that you can you can take from freelancing as a one-man show can help a lot in that yeah so yeah maybe it was confusing what i said but like having this kind of experience of one-man show uh and like music videos and stuff can help a lot can help a lot can only help i would say right i would add to that can only help you're not gonna be hurt by that in any way shape or form quite the opposite uh i also mentioned many times that i started my career at that time in london um many years ago and i started out in a way that was not the norm maybe at that time it was a norm which was like to start as a freelancer so what do you know when you're starting out the career you don't know anything right let alone being a freelancer but you know that thing although it's not ideal he also presented me with some advantages uh you know later on which is okay i have to adapt quicker i have to you know assess the situation quicker otherwise you know and i'm i'm not going to be here uh because i have a other job in uh in the two months time or something like that so there's all these pros and cons uh and um you know if so if some people are watching and they think they're on a bad situation because of this and because of that and and due to that situation they cannot move to the role that they want you know everybody is different everybody sorry is different you know what i mean so don't don't get on uh or lean on on that kind of a situation as a problem just embrace that and make something original out of it you know yep yeah and one of the things um uh regarding discussion that i just asked you now about like what's your the resolution for you 30 years old was because uh when we had uh our call yesterday like that's called i was like okay i think i remember something about michelangelo when we first met like the first message that he sent me and and actually it was you because i i can disclose there's no problem at all but you know the the the program started the first class started on i think january right correctness like on the fourth of like in the on the very first day first monday or something like that right yeah and i was on this really big queue of people uh to the supermarket because you contacted me very close to either christmas or yeah so i i was there for like an hour let's not forget that this was like serious coffee that copied at that time so you know a lot of restrictions and all that stuff and i remember ah this is yeah this was michelangelo and then it was like okay i made up my mind finally and this will be my year's resolution resolution right that's the best i could do to myself that's what i said yeah exactly so that's why you know i remember like asking you okay what about this year what's your resolution you know not that we have to have like a resolution every single year uh i i certainly don't have if you do but it's a good thing yeah uh but yeah you're you were very dedicated during the program and uh very enthusiastic uh throughout the whole thing so thank you once again uh not only for me but also from monica um and she says hi by the way actually let's let's like let's take a look here let's take a look here at the at the chat so we have what do we have here uh monica just say thank you again so there you go uh happy birthday to you olivia happy birthday as well marius mauricio happy birthday to so all people that you know and lelita says beiji to pedro all right i don't know who you are lolita so if you want to say your real name maybe i'll ever better but thank you anyway uh but yeah so thank you uh for your enthusiasm and uh and if it wasn't for you know that was like a very different class for many reasons i just explained many times before with some people that we had from that class as well in the past and uh if it wasn't for you being there you wouldn't feel the same so thank you uh michelangelo thank you once again thanks a lot for that sure and when i was actually prepping this uh this call today and i always said the same thing which is i don't prep a lot and it's true because i want this to feel natural as natural as possible um as if we were at the pub unfortunately we don't have a pub uh oh yes a midway right uh but we have to make that happen we have to make that happen but when i was prepping this uh interview with you although you know we we had many conversations before but i did know that you went to ucla i didn't know that at all and and you spent a lot of time in l.a right yeah actually it's a it's a curious story i finished high school in 2011 and because of the effects i was rejected in the second year of high school i don't know how is it important portugal or england but we have five years of high school i discover a software for it's important what i'm saying to get to ucf it was 14 15. i discovered this software called fx home and particle illusion to do to do lightsabers and smoking explosions and i was so much into it that i was rejected that year because i didn't want it to start i just wanted to do the effects there i understood that i wanted to do movies and the effects that was like an idea but you know when you start thinking about movies about cinema and doing cinema you start thinking oh i'm gonna be a director i'm gonna be the best director of the world and then slowly you start discovering i mean that was my experience just discovering the actual cinema how it's done and there are some fields that fascinates me more than than others and i want to use i went to ucla because at first i wanted to be a director i was directing commercials i went right directing stuff i was editing commercial and music videos um and i went there for that but while i was there uh i had the chance to meet a lot of professionals uh in the in the field of visual effects and one of them was a freddie wong i don't know if you know who this guy is but in 2012 was uh probably the main guy that was doing vfx on youtube and he was doing like a web series and after like two months of my stay in usa and the objective was to do the directing course in ucla i was actually working my first job was there it was not here neil it was there with this guy making video game high school that is a tv series on you on youtube one of the first ones and for me it was like a dream becoming true because i know i knew this guy since when i was in high school and it was like a dream becoming true that was like meaningful yeah i was in hollywood working in vfx learning the effects because i i i wasn't able to do cool stuff like um i i knew how to do like roto on after effect and while i was there this guy uh that was very busy like to see uh close to me and say you know how to do this and i was like no okay i'll teach you and this guy was so famous at the time i was so important and has so much stuff to do it's like sitting here teaching me and the other interns i wasn't paying for that how to do the stuff that he needed for his serious i'm like what the yeah man that's that's great for that moment hollywood i was 20 so can you imagine like the guy that go out from high school and then go to hollywood and start working there i was like in a dream world and i started working vfx like that cool but the main objective was to do directing and yeah yeah for movies and i have this thing that oh maybe if i keep doing the effects and my life is bringing me to that if i keep doing that i'm gonna lose the opportunity to be a director and with the time it's been something that i felt like i felt the weight of this decision like i'm doing the effects i'm so thrilled to do that but at the same time i start everything because i wanted to be a director uh so i'm i'm i'm losing something behind but actually it didn't because growing and working more and more and moving between a country and the other all the experience that i had meeting all the professionals i learned that director is a guy that actually knows very well the techniques of movies like he knows like movie making in general right exactly he knows and what better job than the effects to learn how to tell a story through a frame and i cannot be a director now like i need to learn the frame only i really want to learn to tell the story via frame via composition and i think when i'll be able to do that like pretty well and like in the perfect way that i could ever think of um maybe one day i'll be a better director than when i started doing it that's a that's a good way to put it as well yeah it's not my main objective like i've loved to stay in the effects but this has been like learning this um remove this weight of like you're leaving something behind you i'm not leaving anything behind i'm just like gaining everything that is going to help me in whatever decision i will i will take in any circumstances circumstances or any field in movies right i um i want to do this job for my whole life like i want to work voice and thanks thanks to the pandemic i can't imagine to work on marvel stuff from my hometown in italy where there's no vfx start is alive here and i'm like i'm the only bfx guy believe me maybe there are more but and that's the other thing i'm like i always not dream like i'm not a fan i'm not a marvel fan i like marvel movies but i was about to touch on that subject because you mentioned that last time we spoke like that meeting like two months ago or something like that or a month ago you mentioned exactly that so you know who knew right that i was you said something we knew that i was able to do this job while i'm in my home country right and guess what that's where we at now yeah exactly and i don't have to commute all the days with the car and just spend like five minutes biking from my home to the studio rent is cheap food is great you know and this is just the sea at like 15 minutes from me but walking which city are you in by the way it's called rimini uh it's a r-i-m-i-n-i and it's on the east coast of uh north italy uh north central italy and it's beautiful to live in and it's so beautiful but i'm still thinking like maybe what if i do like a vfx house here like people that actually work in the effects that are you know it's quite a stressful work and you have all these commodities here rent is cheap food is great there's everything uh you can go with the bark everywhere there's like a lot of place where to relax you can go to the beach there are services on the beach like maybe like i would be happy if i was like an american guy coming here and spending this kind of life and doing the effects they could be interesting for the future not for now i mean listen it's an idea so it's an idea it's just going in the box exactly so put it in the in the list of things to to do or to at least think about well you're already thinking about that it seems but uh things to put in practice whenever yeah when taxes will be better for that yeah but that's that's very interesting that you're saying this but i had no idea that uh you you spent so so much time in l.a i had no idea at all um i mean your lane your english gives that away a bit because uh we know that you know uh countries from the south of europe i'm talking about portugal spain italy france you know all these countries um their english is is is very specific in terms of how i'm not talking about the accents or anything like that but because i didn't grow up with the language you know what i mean and you're a little bit different but i could never guess that uh that was due uh to the fact that you spent so much time in l.a because you've been there multiple times right yeah i've been there in 2012 yeah with a tourist visa but uh it was yeah that's the other thing that i would like to talk about that changed like really changed my life when i was in l.a i thought that was the best place where to be to work in movies overall like in general and that became my dream town then i had to go back to italy because my visa was expiring so that was in 2012. and from that moment i say i want to go back to l.a i want to live there and i want to work there so i need to have like a working visa and there's a visa for the united states that is called 01b for who whatever he's interested in that you can work as freelance for anyone and it's a dream visa for people that want to do vfx especially like generally movies and to get that you need a lot of evidences that you're worth being given a visa to be there so i had to prepare so much stuff and it was based on interviews it was based on accomplishment on salary i had none of that i was 20 can you imagine i have nothing i will try my best and through the years um trying to building all the evidence and stuff i arrived at 2015 and i was working vfx from italy with different companies in italy and um while doing this i started learning about canada and canada was better for vfx in a certain way like if you want to start like an internship and visa are easier to get so it wasn't unexpected but i got contacted by by mr x in 2015 and then i went in 2016. and when i went there i understood that that was the place where i was going to be able to learn the best in the effects like it's not there is because of the difference that i was saying before you can be like a freelance and you might you you became a master in managing a project and become responsible but the techniques used in movies you cannot accomplish that by yourself and working in a company give you exactly that like the people around you you you breathe their knowledge and you get better and better over time working with them and in toronto i understood that i needed that kind of experience so i started looking forward for canada and when i started looking forward to staying canada i received the visa there you go but now i want to stay here life is funny that way right because uh yeah but you know what that only happens if you if you take a chance if you wouldn't do anything if you would say in italy i mean none of this would happen right and sometimes yeah that can be like um you know a problem let's call it like this but it's a good problem to have right that's not a problem too it's a good problem to have yeah oh yeah i think i think from all you're saying is i think you know that's actually a very important lesson and we've discussed this many times here on the show and on the group calls in the program and all that stuff which is i mean if you don't take a chance if you're always like um afraid of or what can i what i may lose because if i do this or if i do that yes it's easier said than done but the truth is if you don't do anything that's for sure you you know for sure that nothing bad or good will happen you just say the same right and saying the same sometimes it's a bad thing you know it depends on what you want to achieve and you know what are your dreams and what you want to accomplish and but i think there's all these lessons so even if things go bad there's always good things to learn because it's life experience you know one of the things that i learned the most like going through this like and then i went to hollywood and worked there but it was different and one of the things about that that i learned is that life always know better than you what you need and that's something a good way to put it yeah because yeah like also bad things have happened in the meantime like in those ears that brought me where i am right now and i'm like i couldn't have never imagined to be where i am now at that point what if i just stayed in l.a because when i received the visa i've been there for nine months and then i moved back to montreal so i spent the last two years of my visa there was valid for the united states in montreal so i i wasted that like you know all that fatigue to get there and then i waste wasted it it's not that it's definitely not wasted it's gained yeah so yeah that that's the thing that i'm that i'm so happy also now to be here like if you ask me would you be happier in toronto or in montreal or vancouver working for i don't know what kind of company to ilm let's say you know um um maybe yes but i can be happy here because i know it's not the latest work like i'm here i got married so that's that become that that changed everything you know yeah it's like uh you know another milestone in life exactly if you want to get married i mean i'm not saying that everybody should get married don't get me wrong guys all right but yeah things change and hoping that things are best for you because they happen it's it's a good way to put it yeah it helps a lot and basically with the pandemic and all that stuff i mean things change so so severely and so quick you know what i mean how are you adapting by the way with uh apparently very well right oh right now yes actually i love working with drixer at the moment uh there's so much sharing of knowledge that i didn't expect uh like in general for companies not just from trickster and i'm looking forward to stay longer with them like a lot because i like it the the way they were the the way the man is the pipeline the way the man has all the comm department there's always improvements and that's something that you don't see very often all very often it's like hey guys we improved the pipeline for company like what never that saw that happening you know yeah so it's a place where i think a lot can be learned yeah and that's what i need there's some common friends i don't think i know every anyone uh personally at the moment that were working there but certainly certain people that watched the show and sent me messages and stuff like that definitely jacob is one of them if i'm not mistaken yeah uh all right i worked there also i worked there with uh chris chris chris exactly he's trying to work in another project but we but he's no longer there that's what i'm saying i think apparently i don't think i i know uh maybe benjamin is there maybe uh still yeah sure but anyway there's a lot of people that went uh there many many times have been of course being one of them obviously uh but not anymore but uh yeah working from home apparently is um it's it's a good thing for you right yeah i missed the office i would prefer go to the office yeah i think i think now yeah i move with you because i was about to ask you that not that we have like working from home are you one of these people that prefer like only working from home or you prefer like this uh hybrid thing because that's where we are heading for the hybrid thing um at least like for me that i'm here in italy like thinking of moving completely to like berlin or munich or whatever other city is definitely harder than do like uh hybrid stuff but at the same time like i'm happy i can do that here i can keep doing that for the rest of my life maybe but there's there's more that i can get and they i can get that only with like a hybrid kind of situation yeah like the relationship and the knowledge that you breathe as i was talking before is what gives me the enthusiasm when i go that's what this whole thing is all about you know uh it's about pixels obviously but uh but it's also about the group effort and uh it's it's i would say that the great majority it's about that uh the great majority of what we do is about like definitely group effort and definitely learning with each other and uh and help each other and there are some people that's okay you know the different people have different personalities that like to be you know in their corner not talking to many people and stuff like that but this is definitely group effort and a lot of people or some people that said um forget that sometimes but that's what we do what we do if you wouldn't be for that i mean if you are very very good just on your own maybe you can be very good at a different job but not in vfx because you know we need each other right definitely we need a team we need the team that's it that's it yeah but some people i you know for talking with different people during this time during the pandemic um and every time that working from home would come up as a topic you know i've heard multiple you know answers or different answers regarding this situation some people prefer to continue working exactly like that not going to the office at all some people prefer going to the office as as as it was before like five days a week and some are in the middle um i think the middle is definitely well i'm pretty sure that the middle is something that we're gonna see not only in our industry but uh in multiple industries moving forward from now on i think it's going to be difficult for the great majority of industries to have people working there five days a week no matter what i think it's going to be like a mix and i think it's a good balance you know what i mean let's not forget that we have you know especially for women still very complicated in some situations because of mother would obviously and father would as well but of course motherhood especially the first time it's different for obvious reasons right and i think this will help everyone like this this balance about like work-life balance i think it can only improve with this way of moving forward yeah i'm a little bit scared that once things get bad better um it will not be it will not because it would not happen because of the vfx companies map because of the client that requires like eight guys everything came back together so now for the the nda policy people need to be in the office so working with disappear i think i understand what you're saying and sometimes i i find myself thinking that can be a possibility as well but you know there has been proof in many ways that this can be done in this way because a lot of move not a lot because a lot of them were put on hold but um a good amount of movies and projects were delivered in this you know within these basis so this is definitely possible to do that possible to do in this way and possible to do this moving forward ndas were still a thing and they are still a thing nobody is saying that they shouldn't exist quite the opposite they should exist and being reinforced in different ways maybe to protect like this this different approach now but i think the door that has been open is so big that it's very difficult now to close it uh otherwise probably some people would quit industry uh and yeah maybe we know some people that probably already went through that uh route right and uh and the industry doesn't need that and can work in a different way you know so i think i think that's where we are heading for sure it actually makes things faster like i imagine every time we had to go to dailies that we have to stand up from our desk and just go run into the the theater and then the projector wasn't working and then the company and even the computer wasn't working and the network was going down yeah we're all there and let's not forget that in the old days let's call it all day it's not that old we're talking about like a year old right or more a little bit more but yes sometimes especially big companies uh when you have the problem like a technical problem and probably this would could happen like five times a year or something like that which you know it's okay but uh there were other types of problems that would prevent people from working in in like uh like 100 and that meant that a lot of time would go to waste and people were just prevented to be with their families prevented to pick up kids from school at the right time to have like a good work life balance just because of uh technical stuff like that that you know this can always happen even working from home obviously but a lot of times and you just mentioned one of them like in dailies you know things are not working and then you're there even if they are working you have to wait for a long time for your shot to come up and uh and to take notes and then you go up and you cannot work while you're waiting exactly for your shot like i like 90 of my of my dailies are i'm working and then oh my shot comes up here i am yeah that's a big difference yeah big difference big difference at the same time that's why i think moving within a hybrid approach is definitely the best way uh because at the same time a lot of or some situations especially at the supervision level things that you really want to discuss and solve immediately whether it's within an artist or within a specific department talking with other supervisors and stuff like that you know if you're doing this remotely depending on the situation depending on the topic this can take a long time because you know we are visual people right and sometimes it's difficult visual and human so you know that human touch and you know human language uh body language also helps a lot to convey an idea and to solve problems that way so if you prevent it to to have that you know things can be slow also on that in that regards so i think you know the mix i think that's where um everybody wins and i think that's where we're going to move for sure especially because of work-life balance that has been really unfair for some people um over the years and i think now we're in a place that we can change that hopefully that's what's also cheaper for the companies too yeah for sure working from home like much cheaper much cheaper if you think of a company in canada i mean they're not doing that but like the the cost for visas because you cannot work with like for every guy that comes from whatever part of the world just the cost of the visa it's insane reasons you have like real estate you have like production sometimes all of that stuff plays a huge part on you know on you know expenses for for companies for sure and for people individual individual people obviously so yeah definitely um you're right by the way guys if you guys have questions for michelangelo this is the time for you to ask some questions okay let's see if we have some here i don't think so but we have some messages in italy that only you in italian that's only you can can i think this is an illusion that's my friend fellini right yes i'm like i know you don't need to write that i know that already there you go exactly that's it oh man yeah um but yeah i mean regarding these changes and one of the things that i mentioned in the beginning of uh show today was the fact that uh in europe talking about london more specifically now we have ilm paying overtime this is a very big strategic move no i did i say islam no no no sorry sorry tina uh but this is a big strategic move uh they're not the first one so outpost apparently was the first one but we talked about that in the cold war two months ago two months ago yeah we did and this is a very very big uh and this goes to show it's huge yeah this goes to show that now companies they need this type of other ways of attracting people uh especially in london not only because of pandemic in which a lot of people were let go because of you know this was actually tough and that's let's not forget that this was tough on everybody businesses included okay uh what happened with the pandemic obviously um so they had to make some difficult decisions in some situations but now they need people back and now everybody's looking so they have to change their game to their favor and this is a very big move that everybody will follow i mean we're talking like a big player moving like that of course everybody will follow otherwise you know everybody's going to go there right and only there absolutely i think also brexit is going to play a big role in that like i saw since the brexit start became like uh i don't know we need a visa like from europe not england from other part of europe to get to to london and so it became much harder for companies now to get people from abroad i saw mpc open in germany also there's other companies now i i've been reading about them i don't remember the name i'm really bad on remembering names but many companies are opening offices in in europe yeah to try to get premium the people that were generally coming to england from europe and that's great like that's really good for for people like me that really want to do vfx that are in europe and don't really want to relocate to london i mean i would love to come there i never been there like never been in my life no way london is the closest vfx place after munich and berlin and i never been there i've always been on the other side of the ocean i mean it's not bad but i always wanted to be and now that i can i cannot i mean i can't but i cannot well things are like the restrictions are off now so yeah definitely it's easier now uh if you would compare it now ah you said restriction or restrictions because of traveling that's what i mean because if you're talking about like a year ago that would be very difficult yeah yeah no i was talking more about like coming there to work well you can you can maybe you will who knows right can i should i do a visa to get there no like uh because of brexit do you mean yes well i'm not entirely sure about that um i think so i i'm not interested i don't think things work with visa like that but maybe there's some sort of work permit in some way yeah not entirely sure about that uh but would be the same thing as as as you had possibly for canada you know i mean it will be yeah before brexit they could just go and start working with now you're nice a little bit more complicated but yeah and that played the role as well so um government is still deciding some of these things regarding brexit especially with ireland now i think the conversations are are on pause with the eu and indefinitely apparently for for that specific issue regarding brexit with ireland so yeah things are not like decided yet because this was like a move that now wait a second we're losing a little bit too much maybe so they have to figure it out they have to figure it out uh but yeah cool so apparently you're happy where are you at at the moment you're working from italy good food good wine uh right there you go good life that's it yeah yeah cool so uh it seems like you i'm gonna find you there at some point if i'm gonna go to italy in the next course you're gonna be there whatever you want well that's don't say that twice because uh otherwise we can't do it we just have the best food that is in italy is here so no way oh yeah you know italy is one of my favorite if not my favorite country uh in europe that's true to travel and to have a good time so maybe you're gonna see each other sooner than you think we'll see we'll see it'll be awesome well it seems like people are very interested in our conversation to a point that they don't have any questions so they're just listening they're just listening so that's a good thing um but yeah yeah it's a good sign so if there's no questions from from uh from anyone who's watching uh i think we're gonna wrap up these guys and uh thank you once again michelangelo for showing up for coming in and accepting our show invitation of course any time man uh you've been on the list for you were supposed to come on you know on a different date but it turns out that this was an opening uh possibility and uh and here we are today thank you so much for having me of course man anytime and it's always a pleasure uh talking with you and um we're gonna still of course have be in contact um because now you know we've we've had the program we we are we are in multiple ways uh that we can contact each other for sure so we're gonna we're gonna do that for sure all right so you know yeah you're gonna hear from me for for a long time for sure all right all right guys bye bye everyone uh thank you thank you once again and please stay on okay we're gonna have our refinancing all right okay bye bye guys see you in about two weeks or something like that yeah bye [Music] you

Channel: Comp Lair

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Id: 0w9wTRM6Ihw

Length: 86min 13sec (5173 seconds)

Published: Wed Sep 15 2021