Colour Mixing: The Mystery of Magenta

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A) Those "torches" are amazing, how do I get those?

B) I thought violet was on the spectrum, though?

👍︎︎ 900 👤︎︎ u/Gules 📅︎︎ Jul 17 2015 🗫︎ replies

That's why Barney is a purple dinosaur. Those kids used their imagination to bring him to life.

👍︎︎ 1716 👤︎︎ u/popavich 📅︎︎ Jul 17 2015 🗫︎ replies

Super CRAZY incomplete without spectral violet in the discussion.

The "short wavelength" cone isn't a "blue cone". It's a cone that is most sensitive to violet, and falls off as you move away from that.

Violet light pretty much JUST stimulates this cone, with high wavelength ("red') and medium wavelength ("green") not firing.

Blue light stimulates this "short wavelength" cone, but ALSO to a degree stimulates the "medium wavelength" cone (green). So when you see blue, what is happening is that the high/medium wavelength cones are being combined and subtracted from the low wavelength input- so you are looking at "violet and green", and you sense that this is blue.

When he shines red and green light together, the red and the green are being subtracted. The brain knows that there is light, doesn't have any "low wavelength cone" input, and by looking at the difference between "high" and "low" decides that on the red/yellow/green area, it's mostly yellow.

In the purple case, you have BOTH of those things happening. The difference is, unlike the "blue" case, the green is now being "cancelled out" by the red. So the complementary cells that are there to subtract red from green are saying that the light is closer to neutral on that axis than it was when there was just blue light (and the greens were winning) or just red light (and the reds were winning). If you were to add actual green to this, the "short - high+med/2" type logic would no longer favor "short", and you'd see white- but while that isn't present, it still favors "short". So it's the same situation at that stage of processing that you would get with a spectral violet input.

You're basically spoofing the inputs to get the "this is violet" answer out of that processing. It's true that purple doesn't exist, but this is why it looks so much like violet- different inputs to get the same output.

👍︎︎ 542 👤︎︎ u/Vailx 📅︎︎ Jul 17 2015 🗫︎ replies

This guy will be devastated when he hears this.

👍︎︎ 207 👤︎︎ u/Yakore 📅︎︎ Jul 17 2015 🗫︎ replies

Purple is a pigment of my imagination.

👍︎︎ 66 👤︎︎ u/Boris_Goodenough 📅︎︎ Jul 17 2015 🗫︎ replies

His breathing is very unsettling

👍︎︎ 962 👤︎︎ u/ProffessorOak 📅︎︎ Jul 17 2015 🗫︎ replies

It's funny how we see exactly the same colour for pure yellow light or a combination of pure red and pure green light, but they're physically entirely different. Our eyes are just unable to perceive the difference.

But this is all specific to our species! For example, we all know dogs see less colours, but not only that, they also see different colours. So when you turn on your tv and your dog is watching with you, even the dog will notice that the colours are completely wrong. Colour tv's work only for human colour vision.

Some other animals see more colours than us instead of less. That means that for them, there are many colours like purple that don't correspond to any pure light source. Can you imagine that there are thousands of extra colours that we are just unable to see? What would they look like?

👍︎︎ 14 👤︎︎ u/oompaloempia 📅︎︎ Jul 17 2015 🗫︎ replies

Purple isn't on a raimbow? What?

THEN EXPLAIN THIS

👍︎︎ 22 👤︎︎ u/kult123 📅︎︎ Jul 17 2015 🗫︎ replies

All I can focus on is him sucking air through his teeth.

👍︎︎ 131 👤︎︎ u/fuzinator 📅︎︎ Jul 17 2015 🗫︎ replies
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Purple is a weird colour. The formal name for purple is magenta, and the weird thing about magenta is that you won't ever see it in a rainbow. And the rainbow is supposed to be the full spectrum of colours. So why doesn't purple, why doesn't magenta appear in the rainbow? And the answer is to do with colour mixing. I've always had a problem with colour mixing, because I know that you can't mix photons together. So you can't take a blue photon and a green photon and mix them together to get some other photon. That just doesn't happen. And yet, you can mix paints together in art. Color mixing is definitely something you can do. So what's the answer? Well actually, you can't mix colors together in physics, but you can do it in biology. It's to do with how your eyes work. For example, if I shine red light and green light into your eyes at the same time, if I cross these over, you will see yellow. So when you mix red and green together, you get yellow. And if you look at the spectrum, yellow is in between red and green. So maybe that's the rule for mixing colours together. You mix two colors together, you get the colour in between on the colour spectrum. And we can test that again, so I'll look at green and blue together. So if I mix green and blue together, I get cyan. And cyan is in between blue and green on the spectrum. So that's great, you mix two colours together, you get the colour in between. But why, why is that? Well, your eyes can't measure the wavelength of light directly. So it's not like a photon comes in, and you know, it's 200 nanometers or whatever, and it detects that. Instead, you have these cone cells at the back of your eyes that are sensitive to different parts of the spectrum. So when red light comes into your eyes, there's a set of cones that fire and tell your brain you're looking at something red. So we'd call those the red cones. There's another set of cones that are more sensitive to green, so when there's green light going into your eyes, they fire and they send a message to your brain. And there's blue cones, as well. So you've got red cones, green cones, and blue cones. So what about yellow? What about when you're looking at yellow light, like that? Well in that situation, you don't have a yellow cone. So what do you do? Well, yellow is quite close to red, so your red cone fires a bit. And yellow is quite close to green as well, so your green cone fires a bit. So your brain is getting a message from your red cone and your green cone at the same time, and it's deciding, OK well, I must be looking at something in between those two colours, then. And that's brilliant, because your brain is perceiving something about the world that it isn't able to measure directly. It isn't directly sensitive to yellow light. It does mean that you can be tricked. And so if I make red light and green light go into your eyes, but no yellow light, you will see yellow. Anyway. So, go red torch and a green torch, and there's no yellow light, here. But when I combine them, you will see yellow, anyway. And TVs do this all the time. So if you look up close at TV, you'll see the individual pixels. And there are red pixels, green pixels, and blue pixels. Those are the only colours being produced by your TV. And yet, they can produce all the other colors with this trick of colour mixing. So what about purple? What about magenta? Well, what should your brain do if your red cone fires at one end of the spectrum and your blue cone fires at the other end of the spectrum, but your green cone doesn't fire? Does it do the same trick? Does is think I must be looking at colour in between red and blue? When the colour between red and blue is green, and you're definitely not looking at something green, because your green cone isn't firing. So in that situation, your brain invents a colour. It makes up a color, and that colour, is magenta. And I can show you that with my red and blue torches. So when they're combined together there, you see magenta-- absolutely beautiful. And that's why you don't see magenta in the spectrum. You don't see magenta in the rainbow, because it doesn't have a wavelength. It's just the absence of green, if you like. Just to show you the full palette of colours that you can see on a TV screen-- so you get red and blue mixed together makes magenta. Green and red makes yellow. Green and blue make cyan. When you mix them all together, you get white. So when your red cone, your green cone, and your blue cone are firing together, you get white light.
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Channel: The Royal Institution
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Keywords: Science, Ri, Royal Institution, Colours, Physics, Photons, Brain, Eyes, Biology, Retina, Steve Mould, Cone, Perception, Magenta, Television, Mind
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Length: 5min 14sec (314 seconds)
Published: Wed Feb 13 2013
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