Cloud Management Community Live Event (October 12th) - Windows 365 Cloud PC vs Azure Virtual Desktop

[Music] oh yeah welcome we've got music still no there we are welcome to the first of the uh cloud management communities hang on all right we are live yeah we're definitely live nope dan's gone uh so welcome to uh uh october the first of our october events um and well that was that threw us off didn't it should we start again uh welcome to welcome to the cloud management community live event for october um what we're going to do today is essentially talk about windows 365 versus azure virtual desktop we've got our fantastic speaker um uh shabazz and dan's just let me know in a blue screen of death there which is very very poor timing so never mind uh anyway so i'll what's i'll shabazz um thanks for joining us uh no prep at all can you tell right so what we're gonna do today is talk about this here we go um we have a live event uh next slide our agenda is as follows we've got shibaz da start starting in about 10 to 15 minutes and we're going to talk about azure virtual desktop versus cloud pc after that we've got the quiz so please do stick around for that you've got the chance to win a 25 pound gift voucher you can use amazon if you like or we're happy to to use any other um if if you have a particular preference against amazon for whatever reason uh or and then we've got a discussion towards the end and close around about the same time so hopefully you can join us for this um obviously a massive thank you to policy pack for sponsoring our event as usual uh if you're not aware polytac is a platform for simplifying the management security and automation by extending config manager in tune and various other platforms so a massive thanks to them uh let me just change the screen a bit there we go got some people faces um we are also excited to announce that we are now sponsored by recast as well uh recast software are the um develop the original developers of the right click tools for config manager as you can see there on the screen um it's i've used it all the time in config manager it's brilliant they have a massive uh community base that use right click tools and it's completely free to community um tool that you can just download and get access to this it installs perfectly well and is you know compatible with the latest version of config manager and i've been using it for about 10 years now so it is brilliant um so thank you to them for um sponsoring us they've actually also just acquired enhanced off you might have heard of them and they're an asset inventory solution uh which do insights and that kind of thing that was announced a few weeks ago so do check out recastsoftware.com uh or just google right click tools because they're like the first or second result so yeah uh good so as i said we're gonna do a quiz at the end so stick around for that um but it is gonna be cloud pc related so hopefully you'll listen to what your boss has to say um and uh hopefully he gives the right answers to all the quiz questions that would be interesting wouldn't it um good so uh you want to just quickly introduce up introduce yourself before we move on to your session yeah sure actually you've probably introduced yourself during the session don't you i've probably stumped that yeah yeah it'll be a little introduction around myself but yeah so my name is shabazdar i'm going to be talking to you today about cloud pc versus um as your virtual desktop and just getting rid of the myth that they are in competition with each other so um yeah i'll do a proper introduction with all my creds and whatnot very good uh okay well yeah should we just start i've got your screen ready to share so we'll do that i'll drop um i'll drop the rest of us off there so you don't see our nodding heads while you're talking um but yeah uh i'll probably jump in when there are some questions if there are any questions in chat please do jump in you can see thanks jacob hi good to see you again um if there is anyone who wants to ask a question please jump in and ask a question it'd be lovely to have some interaction again we've got quite a low latency on this so we should be able to respond quite quickly but yeah we'll see how it goes shabbat is over to you mate thank you so thank you uh dean and to the rest of the cloud management team so um yeah welcome to to my presentation um so yeah just just to reiterate what what dean said if you do have any questions in the chat by all means just pop them in there and i'll do my best to answer them uh so yeah my tip my talk today is gonna be around uh windows 365 cloud pc versus um azure virtual desktop so these are two sort of services well there's a virtual desktop anyway i've got quite a bit of experience in doing a lot of you know production and deployments um windows 365 obviously cloud pc is a bit more newer than that because it was announced maybe a little month before last month um but there are obviously quite a few similarities between the two there's also a lot of differences between the two and and what my aim is in this in this presentation just to to get rid of the the sort of stigma or that myth that they kind of compete with each other because again the conversations i've been having with clients and my colleagues where i work um is you know you know is this a replacement for evd and that's that's not the case um so yeah a quick introduction to myself as mentioned my name is shabaz da that's me there i'm a senior infrastructure specialist at a net company based in the uk i'm a microsoft mvp in enterprise mobility i've been working in the it industry in some form or over for about 15 years the last eight as a consultant and specifically working with cloud technology and microsoft specifically um so my focus is is mainly on azure infrastructure as a service endpoint manager and that slide should have been updated to evd but it says wvd um but as your virtual desktop as well so yeah today just a little quick agenda of what i'm going to be talking about so the first thing i would like to cover is you know what is windows 365 cloud pc you know some of you may already know some of you may not but just just just for reference i'm just going to cover up what that is then i'm going to explain a little bit about what is your virtual desktop is so what i'm trying to do is set the scene for what each one of those two is what which of those two services are and what what the kind of what they're um portray portray i think is right what i'm looking for and then hopefully we can start going into some use cases uh for windows 365 and then some for a virtual desktop so these again are are based on conversations i've had with clients and some real-life conversations rather than you know what you can read off the internet because um a lot a lot of a lot of use cases don't come out until you start having these conversations with people and and organizations and businesses that have a problem and that's essentially where this information is coming from real life conversations not you know just read off the internet about you know whatever use case and then finally i'll hopefully answer what the differences are and you know the 365 verses as your desktop sort of myth and that's kind of the nice slide i've got which kind of shows the these features and services and the back plane of both and then we can hopefully compare those and um yeah you'll understand a bit more about the differences so what what is windows 365 pc um it's a desktop as a service platform so um a daz it might be see the acronym can work for a lot of things but it's essentially a desktop as a service platform so you've got a hosted pc that's that's a hosting microsoft cloud so you don't have any physical kit um you need some sort of physical kit to connect to but that can be your own personal one it's not it doesn't have to be a company owned one um you know your organization own what would be in um would be in windows 365 cloud pc whatever you've provisioned that's what that will be their sort of um production service so it's desktop as a service essentially and what you get with that is you get the same behavior as a physical pc so if you think you know you're probably all watching this on a laptop or maybe a tablet or some sort of device um from a windows perspective you get the same sort of features the same experience as you're on a physical pc um so it's not it's not a shared platform what i'm trying to say it's something that's personal to you and whatever resources are provisioned with that whatever size virtual machine you get provisioned in the desktop as a service platform that's what you get that's what you use so if it's a a four gig you know four gig ram and eight cpus virtual cpus that's what you'll use you won't be sharing that with anybody else there are two choices essentially with windows 365 cloud pc you get two variations let's call it one is the uh the business version um and again that has certain um certain features to it one being that you i think a bit you have three hooks you've got a 300 user limit now that might sound to those licensing people in in the audience um that might sound a bit familiar so if if you look at the microsoft 365 licensing that's non-enterprise so let you know let's talk for example about windows 365 um business premium they have a limit of 300 so you can buy up to 300 of those licenses but any if you have an organization that's more than 300 you have to provision anything over 300 with a different license so you could have 500 users for 200 users you'd have to start going into enterprise licensing so it's similar with windows 365 cloud pc the business variation of it is only applicable for free you can only have up to 300 users the other thing to note with the business version of it is it doesn't have the endpoint manager integration so the mem integration that you get which i'll explain a second with um the other variation you don't get with business so what the if you read all the marketing spiel from microsoft they say to you that this is aimed at you kind of small businesses ones who want to kind of you know they they want to fix cost they can't really you know afford the consumption-based cost so they just want a simple pc they don't want any sort of management integration so this is probably best fit for them that's so sort of marketing should be all you probably hear around it second variation our second choice is enterprise so this is cloud pc enterprise version now again we've we've as i mentioned with business you have up to 300 users we're then surprised it's unlimited so that's the first difference between those two variations the second main difference is that you this an enterprise version integrates with microsoft endpoint manager so you get all that good in-tune compliance policies you know the the all that good management stuff um so you can do configuration profiles um you can you know use autopilot to deploy them and all that sort of stuff so it's got that endpoint manager integration which you don't get with business obviously you pay a little bit more for that but that's that's the main difference between the enterprise the other thing to know about cloud pc is that i think i've said it a couple of sentences ago but it's a fixed pricing model and by that what i mean is you you whatever so you you choose your your size that you want um and you choose which variation of it is enterprise or business and essentially you're then you then come up with a fixed monthly cost so if you think about consumption base which i will be talking about in a bit more detail you know that that consumption um model you could have a different bill every every month you know it's a monthly price model but it's still you you might not get the same bill every month and whereas with cloud pc it's a fixed cost so again it probably again that the sort of marketing around it it'll say you know maybe it's it's more aimed at small to medium businesses that want to want to know what their monthly costs are going to be rather than waiting for the end of the month and getting a big bill you know we've all been there i know i have and when you forget to turn turn certain resources off so that's a little short overview there's obviously a lot more to windows card free you know cloud pc but as a general overview and again i'm trying to compare it here with azure virtual desktop these are what i found were relevant so what is the j-virtual desktop so we've done what is cloud pc let's talk about as your virtual desktop so again it's a desktop as a service platform but the difference here being the azure virtual desktop is multi-session so by that what i mean is you can have um like i've gone to a bit more detail around this but you can have multiple sessions connected to one server or one vm so to speak and whereas i said on cloud pc it's more equivalent to a personal laptop or a physical laptop you might have at home as your virtual desktop i would i would say similar behavior to traditional remote desktop services so for those those who have dealt with sort of your own premises vdi environments you'll have a farm of servers and essentially that pharma servers your users will share the resources on there so again you'll have multiple people connected to uh what used to be a physical server um so with that being said you can share those resources now with is your virtual desktop that's where the multi-session piece comes in so there are two deployment methods with azure virtual desktop now um the first one is is pulled and this is where you have that multi-session capability so we've pulled you have again you have a farm of virtual machines windows 10 or windows 7 enterprise i think is supported 7019 so point again there's a number of different os's but let's just say windows 10 for now that's what it's based around really you have a number of of windows 10 let's say virtual machines a specific size and again when your users connect they connect they should share those resources so if you've got two servers with 8 gig and 12 cpus that'll be shared over when you know your users and they'll they'll just kind of until they're full now the pooled uh what they call a horse a horse pool is is what the name of the deployment method is so a pooled horse pool has two different load balancing algorithms so one of them is brett first and the other one's called depth first just a slight bit about around that with your load balancing algorithm if you do breadth first that's the sort of default what they call the default choice what this does is it's a think of it as round robin so when you when you log in when you connect you'll just be connected to any available host host pool session host any virtual machine that's available with depth first what that does is that that will connect you to a specific session host again that that's random but then when more people connect they'll connect to that same session host until it gets to a certain um level of usage and again you can specify that it could be eighty percent cpu usage or 80 ram usage whatever that whatever that number is once it hits that threshold it then starts connecting other people uh joining who are new onto the next session host and it follows that sort of trend so again this allows you to use things like automation and maybe power down virtual machines they're not being used and use all that good kind of as your ecosystem stuff the other deployment method is a personal hospital now this is probably the most similar sort of deployment to windows 365 because again it's it's it's uh you assign it to a specific user so it's almost personal like it says in the name it's personal to them um so this is probably the again the the difference being though this is still a consumption based model rather than a fixed price model but the personal horse pool is a specific vm that one user will connect to so it's not it's not shared um with with anybody and you you don't have the you don't have the load balance algorithm you don't need it essentially just one vm per person and as i've mentioned a couple of times already jumping the gun as your virtual desktop is consumption-based pricing model so to keep price down you know to make sure you don't have a really high bill you can use things like automation to power machines down when they're not being used and so forth to do that there's great tools like nurdio that can help with all that or you can usually sort of um as your base services native services so what we've done now is we've discussed a bit about what windows 365 is and we've done a bit of an overview of as your virtual desktop so you're seeing a bit of a difference already you know both sort of devices desktop as a service however as your virtual desktop is sort of more multi-session and i've spelt session wrong i've just realized amazing um and where whereas cloud 365 pc is more like a personal sort of physical uh device these virtual desktops probably a bit more like your traditional on-premises remote desktop services now they both have two deployment methods or two variations like i said windows 365 cloud pc has uh business and enterprise variations virtual desktop azure desktop has pooled and personal host pools again two different sort of deployment methods and again another big difference between these two is that one is a fixed cost pricing model and the obvious consumption base what i'd like to just have a quick sip of water because i've been talking a lot well i'd like a question in chat as well shabazz um there's a there's a break there so if um business windows 365 business doesn't have endpoint protection what are the options to protect pcs i'm not sure if you're going into that later but i thought i'd just call it out now while you're having a break if the business doesn't have endpoint protection what are the options to create so is that is that antivirus question essentially yeah i think so okay so again that because it's uh just because it's hosted in microsoft doesn't mean that you can't customize it so um i actually don't touch on this so it's a good question um and i'll answer it um the same sort of rules apply if you were um if you were if you were building a machine and there's a virtual desktop for example you just installed whatever your av product is so i'm hoping and assuming all businesses do have some sort of avb product even if it's a free one or you know whatever you just install that because you can actually customize the images the same way you you customize an image for your virtual desktop you can do the same for windows 365 cloud pc so you don't have to use the windows defender um as jacob mentioned you know you could potentially use the built-in for windows but same rules apply if you were doing it on premises you just or or in avd you just install whatever your your product your um defender product is be it software i don't know any other any other product so i hope that answers your question doctor i hadn't really considered um i hadn't really considered uh what the options were with that you know there's a lot of different variations of uh capability around that and yeah emblem protection but you're right if it's just a it's just a pc that has nothing so it doesn't have for instance uh any other kind of solution built into it right so you have to add those on top yeah yeah yeah so again it all depends on what your your business is um businesses uh they use it they will again okay good that's answered the question but yeah again most businesses i've never come across a business that doesn't use av and i hope to god i never do but um whatever they use you can just deploy that again the similar rules apply you can to avd you can have your own image you can customize that to what you want um there is probably a bit more image management in in windows 365 because you might get to the point where people want different images whereas with avd you kind of have probably more horsepower specific images so you might have a hospital for marketing for example there'll be a marketing image you might have a you know your devs might have a host pool or whatever there might be a dev specific one and so on um so yeah excellent so thank you so yeah so these are some use cases of um no but not these are so these are some use cases of um windows 365 that i've actually had with customers and again because it's a very um new new product as far as you know um a couple of months ago i think it was announced what what you find is when these sort of new services come out and and clients have you know something they kind of use that's similar they want to know what it's on and if there's any benefits to it and the other thing is as well what i'm finding is that now the the whole pandemic life let's call it is changing back to what it used to be pre pandemic businesses are slowing down a bit as far as when the pandemic first hit because this is from my own experience by the way when pandemic first hit a lot of businesses obviously a lot of customers weren't ready for it i was working in the medium to small business area with clients that were kind of that size and they just weren't ready for for something like this to hit you know it's 21st century didn't you i'd wouldn't have thought in my wildest dreams anything like this had happened so overnight they had to somehow facilitate remote working so a lot of companies and businesses just jumped into that sort of as your virtual desktop you know endpoint manager let's just get our devices in the cloud let's get our users working from home now they've got time to take breath and take stock a lot a lot of businesses are starting to i wouldn't say come out you know try and reverse what they've done but they're trying to manage it so rather than having everyone using that same service maybe make that footprint footprint a bit smaller so they're looking at use cases and and separating their technology stack into their use cases so what use cases fit windows 365 and as your virtual desktop rather than throwing everybody in that pool so what what i am again the clients i'm talking to mainly small to medium businesses as far as windows 365 goes when i've had those conversations enterprise you know your thousands user sort of clients it just doesn't match any of their use cases or in you know they they prefer the azure virtual desktop and the capabilities which i'll go into in my next slide so i don't want to ruin the surprise but what i'm finding is it's more small so many businesses and the reason for that this is a big reason that fixed rate cost model when you're excuse me when you're when you're an organization you need to you know you need to you might have a big of um turnover as an enterprise level company you need to keep an eye on your costs and how much is going in and out and having that knowledge of rather than like with a consumption-based model like i said it can change from month to month depending on what usage is but having that fixed rate that you know every month of that amount is going to go out it lets you um predict your cost a lot better for the year it lets you manage your your finances better and that's why the smaller to medium businesses are probably drawn towards windows 365 more um and the other the other really big use cases that small medium businesses like is that mem integration again in my experience a lot of uh sort of before in tune anyway a lot of endpoint manager um services were quite expensive you know if you look at the sort of um like meraki was one that i used quite a bit i know meraki's it's just gonna do wireless and stuff like that but they also had like an mdm platform to it as well and there's a lot of cost a lot of management overhead associated with that um i think it's another one um there's another cisco one i can't remember off top of my head airwatch airwatch is the one i've had experience with but again quite can be quite expensive and again um acquired by management overhead in my experience endpoint manager again is is fairly simple to use and because it integrates with that whole sort of as your ecosystem it's again uh a lot more um it's a lot looks a lot better for them and they're kind of drawn towards it a lot more appealing to small to medium businesses so the conversations i've been having with these smart medium businesses specifically around wanting to facilitate contractors so if you think about it contractors are short-term um short-term employees you know they have a fixed term contract be it three six year whatever three six months a year and for that three to six months let's say if you have a short-term contractor you'll have to potentially before you know windows 365 you'd have to build a machine you know whatever your process is of building a lot you have to buy a laptop first of all that's upfront cost you then have to get it all provisioned and the software updated installed make sure you manage it make sure you patch it and don't get me wrong the sort of patching and that sort of element is all and you still have to provision it in in windows 365. but it's a lot quicker it's a lot smoother it's less overhead you don't have to pay for a device up front see actually saving a lot of cost and again because you have that fixed cost model fixed rate cost model you can predict how much it's going to cost you to facilitate that contractor so okay he's a six-month contractor we'll we'll give him a windows 365 um vm in uh as in cloud for this amount you know it'll be this much over six months we know that's that's how much this contract is going to cost us so again it's a lot more appealing um i'm assuming you have a question dean because you've popped up yes yes um i have the luxury of not having to use chat um this also could be a stupid question but i assume it's a per user license model you keep saying it's it's um a fixed cost but it's per user correct that's the only way it can do yeah yeah it's it's pus it's similar think about the the microsoft 65 subscriptions you know the the same each user has to have a license same with with your cloud pc each user has to have a call a subscription to that pc essentially so it's almost like renting that pc um you have multiple licenses per user uh i don't believe so you'd have to i mean you'd have to have a different user account i believe i'm not 100 sure if i'm honest with you interesting question actually um i'd already thought of that uh i'm not sure how that would work um because you can't have multiple you can have yeah you can't have multiple subscriptions for 365. um but again you sometimes have to if you have a like two subscriptions let's say like an e3 and e5 that would overlap you end up having i think you have to disable a lot of the features that are cr across both i think is the only way we can get around it i think yeah i will i will look that up before the end of the show i wouldn't see a used case where it's a great question um i wouldn't see a use case would that be applicable well i was thinking right it's a horrible horrible question to ask a speaker live sorry that wasn't no no no but i'm thinking you might have a a user who needs like a a not very good pc for their day-to-day work and then need to jump into a gpu-enabled computer for instance but i guess that's not really a problem you wouldn't want to do that with cloud pc because you're paying for both all the time they're always on yeah and again it it kind of takes away from the whole sort of premise around i suppose the personal pc what you could do is you could increase that pc that virtual that cloud pc's consumption as in uh size you can change its size to a gpu uh whenever they're you know whenever they come out wink wink um you can you can change the size of the you can change the size of something no no you can change the uh you can change the size of the pc and that'll probably be the way to do that and i think that's probably another appealing area of windows 365 you know you don't you're not just stuck with that size you can change the size quite easily you can scale in and out as you want that's the whole point of the cloud though isn't it you know you can that scale of being able to scale and now at a relatively cheap price and quickly i think we have another question from daniel what wish we need to worry about isolating the cloud pc from either of these services from the endpoint being used to access them i'm thinking data leakage or a path to to our network i need to worry about isolating the cloud pc try to understand what that question means yes it's annoying when you can't get them to speak um because it's fantastic questions and they are they are you have to read them to understand them um [Music] i'm thinking daily leakage or a path into our network oh i see yeah because these are you mentioned that you can use these pcs on any device right they can be cool yeah correct so us i suppose i think i have an answer for that i suppose this is where again i do make this point later on in my talk but it's that integration with the rest of the ecosystem okay when we when we when i'm talking to clients around you know why microsoft cloud i go well it's not just again as your virtual desktop and windows 365 they're just vdi okay let's be honest there's a platform and it's on it's just vdi what sets it apart from it's it's um sort of the vendors that it compare comparative you know like citrix or vmware horizon is that integration with the rest of the ecosystem so we're talking conditional access okay so what what you're talking about is you know protecting your data except that stuff like that um i i would say that that's where the integration comes in we've come you know with your compliance and your conf config uh potential access policies you you essentially integrate oh dan's back you integrate with the initial active policies so you can protect those pcs the same rules apply to to you know when especially with that mem integration you can use all the same all the good stuff you would be able to if you had an on-premises laptop so conditional access um compliance policies and all that sort of stuff and also integrate it with um you know the the information protection services that you get with us you know 080 premium licenses so there's there's lots of things you can do away from cloud pc from from a network perspective um i suppose is maybe the other one uh i think the opposite driver at one point being dear leaky drop path into our network again it's that whole um you know a site to site vpn would probably be that that's how you do it as your virtual desktop anyway you do that cycle side vpn so it's encrypted in transit encrypted at rest and that's how you kind of connect it into your your network and again making sure people can't download data onto their personal device that they're connecting to windows 365 that's where your compliance policies coming in your your conditional access policies i hope that answers the question daniel sorry if it doesn't uh cloud and there was another question from andy so i thought i'd just bring him back into chat uh and you can you can ask the questions yeah yeah so jabez i'm just wondering if obviously it's quite new but um are there any known issues out there with any you know starting issues with three windows so not not that i'm aware of and and the the reason sorry i might mention off the top of the bar i'm not doing any production deployment of it it's more conversations but um again as you'll see in a slide um later on it is it's just as your virtual desktop on the back end that uses the same technologies and the same services as your original desktop so it's built on the same services that protect as your virtual desktop so even though it's it's a new service the back end is exactly the same i have sorry to i've seen uh there's some restrictions like i think live sessions and stuff like that through teams on them i don't know if that's a similar thing on legal deals it is unfortunately um i've not had great so again talking about azure virtual desktop because that's a lot of my production experiences we've observed until desktop that the team's feedback hasn't been great obviously there's a specific way you have to deploy teams with with the with azure virtual desktop and windows 365 cloud pc the problem what i've experienced is when you have um a multiple session conversation so if we were talking now the the you know the two three four five six that count six of us and we would have a lot of quality issues we'd have voice we'd have video issues when it's a one-to-one meeting my experience is it's actually okay you can you can it facilitates it but the more people you add into that conversation um is is when you start having problems with with quality basically um unless you have yeah probably need that's more the multi-session pull pulls as well um i would imagine it might be different but on the multi-session connections unfortunately um i have yeah i've seen a lot of issues thanks very much another problem uh thank you good job i'm glad i answered dan dan's question um well thank you the overdone for the kind words uh where am i oh yes use cases we're back use cases so contractors is the other one this is the first one now the other sort of conversation i'm having um with a lot of clients is um facilitate training so again um i've spoken to um a couple of like smaller sort of colleges and they will have training rooms essentially and those training rooms will have a number of pcs again those pcs need managing they need patching and multi you know the same person won't log on to the same pc every session i'll be different people so i might come to like three you know i might come to a class once a week or twice a week there i'll log on to a different piece each time so multiple profiles on on windows machines you know we all know how roaming profiles can be um i can just feel everyone's shuddering when i mention roman profiles um so training facilities so having a having a um a pc specific to a user and they can use that for their training and you know they can get all their training resources off you know often of a share file as your file share or you know a sharepoint site or whatever but facilitating training is is your sort of um use case i've had conversations about and that's quite a quite a good one especially um before we went live we were talking about working in schools with dan um and you know for schools i think it'd be a good one um i've not spoken to any schools about it yet but more kind of like a like a kind of private college um but yeah facilitating training is the other really interesting use case um that i've been talking to people but again there might be some businesses that want to facilitate all their users on it but i've i've not experienced that conversation yet where you know businesses small businesses or medium-sized businesses are thinking about taking all their users off local devices and putting them all on because then you know there comes a different conversation with that you know are all users willing to use their personal devices they've got to have a personal device you know in this dna believe it or not not everybody has their own laptop um you know not everyone has a tablet or whether they might not be able to facilitate that um so yeah the the the contractors and the facilitating training is probably the two use cases um that i think probably the most applicable so next and just on that on that point sorry about so you mentioned that you know business is limited to 300 users if you were a massive enterprise you had thousands and thousands of users maybe exchange online for 10 000 users but you only had a few contractors that you wanted to train every month you could potentially buy the windows 365 business and use that for that purpose right correct correct and and the thing is the one thing is with enterprise um customers that i'm um even though they have a similar use case for contractors they seem to be drawn more towards your virtual desktop and it's it's that it's being able and again i'll i'll you're ruining my you're ruining my floor man i'm gonna get into all that i'm joking obviously um just answer uh dean's questions again the conversations i'm having enterprise level customers seem to be more more um geared towards as your virtual desktop and it's it's mainly because of the automation so um i'll answer your question in more detail now down because it is essentially this slide um so yeah enterprise orgs that have gone more with azure virtual desktop i've again my i like to say my claim to fame is that i i did the the third uk-wide deployment of of what was windows virtual desktop back then um through powershell uh back in march time warner says it was a couple of months old when i did it that was about three to four hundred users um for the company that i worked at the time um it was for an nhs trust um so that was that was a huge deployment and a massively important deployment um but that was again more kind of that sort of automation element of it is what kind of attracted them towards your virtual desktop and it's the same conversations i'm having now um you know being able to integrate it with stuff like terraform those and services like that that's where they're seeing a lot of value and that's like i said automation is what's kind of geared towards the enterprise orgs and that's that's kind of why they pull towards it rather than windows 365 cloud pc um another big big selling point is is that sort of integration with the rest of the azure ecosystem um and like i said although my windows 365 does integrate with mem as does avd um it's it's having that additional sort of um integration with services to to automate sizing and automate shutdowns um and again you have that mem integration with those virtual desktop as well but again being able to integrate with with you know um your your different your sentinel and sort of services like that i'm not sure if windows 365 cloud pc is there yet as it's a very new service but um i can imagine on the road map somewhere it will be but at the moment and i don't think quite there yet but that's kind of what is drawn in my conversations anyway that's what's drawn people um or organic enterprise organizations towards azure virtual desktop i've got a few questions which i'm going to answer i can see customers like qa training that i would work for yet rather than having to wipe and install something yeah 100 damn i fully agree um my work i have still a project but okay these are just conversations not okay cool um okay sorry going back to um the presentation use cases so again a lot of the comments before windows 365 cloud pc came along we're having a similar conversation for contractors as as dean mentioned um with the zero virtual desktop as well um but the big one the big one that i've seen excuse me is bcp in disaster recovery now this goes back to what i was saying earlier with that a lot of organizations especially the enterprise organizations that kind of they were already partly in the cloud a lot of enterprise organizations but they weren't from an infrastructure perspective you know they still had a big on premises footprint and because they're now slowing down and looking at where their infrastructure is looking at where their footprint is looking at where their costs are they're now looking they're not starting to draw back on as your virtual desktop and have it for specific use cases now vcp and disaster recovery one of the conversations i've had recently was what if we have another pandemic can you imagine again as i mentioned earlier i couldn't imagine 18 months ago in the 21st century with medicine being what it's like you know we're very advanced i'd like to think in my opinion you know we'd have some sort of you know another bloody spanish flu almost you know we'd have a pandemic and but here we are 18 months on and what what people what customers are looking at now in the enterprise orgs i've spoken to is being prepared for the next one and having as your virtual desktop and again the beauty of consumption base is you can power it down shut it down stop it and you pay minimum pennies and for enterprise organizations they've got a bit more expenditure a bit more you know they can spend a bit more money but having it shut down and stopped and just there for a rainy day for when they have to you know um press the button on bcp and disaster recovery rather than having another site physical site or another office they're saying why don't we use azure virtual desktop because we can stop it and have minimal costs whereas if we had a physical office we'd have to pay for the office we'd still always all the all the hardware still be powered on be paying for double licensing this way we can lower our costs and also we can be ready for that rainy day we can be ready for that next pandemic god forbid ever happen dean you're back you just made me think about there being another pandemic and it really ruined my day i thought i just thought it was going to show a sad face but yeah you're right any um any organization who doesn't expect the unexpected or expect there to be another pandemic is you know very short-sighted as far as i'm concerned at the moment we need to assume that it's going to be bad for a while and continue to be bad and then the next thing will come along and having the flexibility as you say to to jump into a a really useful um backup scenario which abd is i was just thinking though you could do the same with windows virtual desktop if you did all the prep for windows virtual not finished with especially windows 36 windows 365 you did all the prep and then if you're csp you can ramp those licenses down to one or two and then whenever you have the pandemic you bring them back up to your to your 5000 or whatever but by all means again you can think of a lot of services that will work in a bcp disaster recovery scenario but with with with the sort of if you talk about um i'm talking about having another site almost like another office potentially this is the avd is that equivalent whereas yeah for a small organization um but again we're talking if they didn't have their own laptops you know they they you know if we're talking about an organization that has has laptops and they're sat in the office they're very office space they don't remote work a lot and then all of a sudden overnight they have to send people home because they have to work from home but they've not got that sort of remote working capability vpn but mobile people as we found out mobile vpn fell flat on its face um the pandemic um yeah avd is a sort of uh it's a sort of way you know conversations i've been having anyway and again these organizations have used as your virtual desktop during the pandemic and they've you know for but they had to accommodate everybody on it because everyone's working from home now that's now that's moving back into you know more people i'm starting to work more in the office i i was there today um going twice a week maybe ramping up to three days a week soon but that's the way people are going business enterprise organizations are going and small to medium businesses but the conversations i'm having more with enterprise orgs is around bcp disaster recovery rather than throwing everyone on it um yeah windows 365 cloud pc i suppose would that be from a sort of desktop specific yeah kind of you know for those users that maybe work remote i mean um maybe yeah it's an idea i think it'd be i think it'd be a lot more complicated um because obviously there's that licensing and you'd have to you'd have to speak to your csp getting them to ramp up there'd be a lot more um place to spin i think whereas with the zero virtual desktop you could build it configure it all that sort of stuff to be fair you won't even have to do that you could just do a terraform script that's ready to pull the trigger on and build in a matter of hours that's what you could do with avd you wouldn't even have to you don't have to spend anything really just make sure your bc plan bcp plan is is tight make sure it's documented for god's sake people document and uh you don't need we don't need to with with um the terraform d which all it's all uh documentation is code isn't it it is but you still you know if if say that i'm off that day and no one else does i do we need some documentation somewhere that's a bad day pandemic and your ban is off i'll imagine that's a very bad deal that's like it that's like a monday isn't it that's awful yes um so yeah bcp disaster recovery is a sort of use cases that conversations i have been having and what i'm trying to differentiate i'm trying to differentiate between the two here my my whole theme is that there is a place in this world for both windows 365 cloud pc and as a virtual desktop they don't compete they don't have to compete with each other um so one more use case as well um where a full desktop isn't required so again we certain certain jobs they don't require a full desktop they might just might be somewhere like um let's say a sparky or uh sorry sparky's um um like an electrician for those who are in yorkshire um or uh someone you know someone who might be a bit more manual and maybe need to update might need to update a system one once a day you know with the jobs they've done they don't need a full desktop they just need an application so rather than giving them access to a full desktop why don't we just deploy an app why don't publish an app um you know use msix app attached to to publish an app that they need they log in on their tablet they'll see their app launch your app off they go so that's the other use case where a full desktop isn't required but they just need one or two apps you know they might need word they might need excel whatever um so that that's the other sort of um use case i've been speaking to enterprise organizations about where you know they don't want to give you know they don't need to give everyone a full desktop let's give them a specific app you can publish that app for a couple of different main methods msix app attach for example um so again what we've done there is we've looked at use cases or i've looked at use cases that i've experienced the discussions i've experienced um and as you can see there's a there's a place for both you know there's there's different use cases um different size organizations you know kind of going towards different services so this this next slide is this is my kind of last slide i want to go through and this is really going to hit home the differences between abd and windows 365 so you might have seen this slide over places i've kind of created a little version of it myself i hope everyone can see that um so windows 365 versus the image desktop on the far left in red we've got the various services let's say so control pane subscription compute storage networking user profiles ion if you look at windows 365 we have the the two variations i spoke about in surprise and and business um so the control pane is a virtual desktop shock horror that's like you know who'd have thought uh and it's the same for review it's just based on the german it's just it is just a rejuvenation desktop the same backend services that manage avd manage windows 365 okay subscription it's microsoft managed except the networking element for enterprise and for business it's fully microsoft managed so again with enterprise you get a bit more access to it whereas business is a lot more microsoft managed you don't have to do as much or anything really all kind of again aimed at a smaller business move across to abd we see that's client manage so your subscription you have to manage yourself so again a massive difference there from a compute perspective again with both the enterprise and business for windows 365 it's microsoft managed it's a fixed cost and you have no direct access to the virtual machines that's that's a that's a massive thing where as far as geometrical desktop it's managed by you the client you have access to those vms it's consumption based model cost model it's agile you can automate you can turn machines off when you're not using them you can um scaling we can scale it out with both i suppose that's a bad example from a storage perspective uh windows 365 both enterprise and business again microsoft managed fixed costs several storage sizes and it's a service level disaster recovery whereas if we go across to avd they're managed os disks you use fs logix integration with azure files to manage those um user profiles and and you know if you want any application masking it's all client managed um consumption based model i've said about a million times in this presentation and it's easy enough to it's agile still and it's easy enough to back up as well so you can use you know azure backup for example you can use um you know third party products like veeam or you know i'm a big veeam advocate so i love veeam networking so enterprise customer managed consumption based costs so um no one's asked me about egress yet which is a thank god but uh yeah for an egress networking perspective the same rules apply as they would any as your infrastructure as a service you still have those same sort of egress ingress costs you don't get away from those um agile routing and it's uh you know you have protection services and you have you still have that security of the enterprise model with the business version of windows 365 cloud pc it's microsoft management you can see a theme with the business not a lot of access not a lot of management needed from the client fixed cost no direct access to a network and no flexibility really is you can it's just made for small businesses that have maybe small maybe one or two people in their i.t team you know that can't afford that overhead it's made for those sort of businesses in my opinion move across to avd networking client managed consumption based costs very agile very all the routing access and it's got that level of same level of security and ips as well when we go to the user profiles i'm coming towards the end now both for enterprise and business windows 365 local profiles again talk about it being very similar to a a pc at home that you would have a local pc a physical pc you have local profiles same thing as your virtual desktop fsx logic is optional for the personal pulls and for pulled it's compulsory for pulled you have to have the fs logix integration with the azure file share whereas for the personal it's it's optional you don't have to have it you can get away with the sort of not having fs logics again fslogix is a great great tool and a great great having integration with with abd i'm i'm a big fan of that integration finally a very important one in my opinion i am identity access management is massive in cloud the way i always like to explain it is um not everyone might not agree with this is again my personal opinion when you're talking on premises solutions everything i i've got told that everything sits on your network so it's vital when i was working with on-premises services that you understood networking because all services stood you know they sat on top of a network when it comes to cloud that's not the case it's actually identity and access management everything no matter what service there might be sas it all sits on top of your identity that's why in my opinion identity access managers one of the key services with cloud windows 365 and avd are no different so with uh enterprise there's again two variations enterprise business you can have that hybrid adjoin it's a requirement you can have a zero adjoin coming soon um very very soon i believe azure adds so zero d domain services is not supported with windows 365. that's that's quite a big thing whereas you know it obviously is with with abd which i'll go into in a second for the business version of windows 365 as you're id join only and no active directory domain service options so again very very not a lot of flexibility and again for me personally geared and aimed directly towards or small businesses that don't need that or don't want that management overhead so with avd again both across the pool than personal uh active directory domain service is a requirement windows a windows ad so also your standard uh domain controller on a windows vm or as your id domain service is disappointed as well now it says on this that this slide's a bit old i apologize native has already joined soon that's now ga as of i want to say a few weeks ago very recent works very well as well um so so that is the zero virtual desktop windows 365 versus a zero virtual desktop as you can see there's a place there's a place in the industry for for both you know it doesn't have to be one or the other um [Music] there's different use cases i've especially with the java virtual desktop a lot of different use cases of experience because i've been lucky enough to be working with it since it came out windows 365 is very new hopefully i'll get to do some deployments soon but you know at the moment a lot of conversations a lot of interesting conversations um i hope that's been informative i hope you've enjoyed it i'm happy to take any questions um i've got a question again um i've seen i've seen a couple of comments out there on the internet about um you know windows 6 the pricing of it all and uh obviously it does shape up to be more expensive doesn't it generally on the windows 365 front and i guess that's because it's economies of scale right is that is would you say that is the main reason or the other thing as well that about it is you still so what they've not done i don't believe is package it up so you still need a microsoft 365 subscription so you still need enterprise e3 5 or business premium whatever and then on top of that you need your windows 365 cloud pc license so yeah already the costs are stacking up um yeah because like you said yeah that's probably the main reason for it it's again it depends how successful it is whether or not they change that or not i believe it'd be a lot more successful if it packaged it all up yeah i think you're wrong the thing is on that though if you look at the cost so per user per month 20 quid um for for a cloud pc right for the minimum uh and there's a lot of customers who want to use the cloud pc but don't use microsoft 365 they don't use office they might use google they might you know and so to package it all up the the microsoft 365e enterprise e3 for example is 28 quid a month retail right so if they package it up and kept the same kind of value then it would be 48 quid full for that package service right but but if you look at if you look at azure virtual desktop they included that lice that that that service within well i think the minimum it comes with is uh microsoft 365 business premium so you get you get uh you get to you know without you still need it to use abd you do yeah you get the windows 10 cal right and what i'm struggling to understand is why is it different for you know i know they've got to take into account the consumption but i'm sure there's something they can package up where you get that cal and you get okay fair enough you maybe put the price up a bit more but maybe they will maybe when it if it doesn't hit off as much as it is it can tough i think because they are you have to cater for the people who don't want office 365 but they do want to use the awesome the concept of windows 365 and when it's such a high cost and you're also trying to maintain the cost of of microsoft 365 because of all the benefits you get there then yeah it becomes very expensive trying to bundle them together my gut feel is they'll end up bringing the price down personally yeah after you noticed i didn't i didn't say a cost saving once in my session yeah because i'm very careful about that i personally don't believe there is a cost saving the the the difference and the what's attracting people towards it initially is that fixed cost rather than a consumption we're not there i said i don't i agree not not much for cost saving when you do some hard maths around it cool um i've got a question no more questions in chat it's my turn my turn um so it's not it's not about that to be honest you've obviously got a lot of experience with with there's your virtual desktop because you um well you you managed to to drag our very own simon lee from zero didn't you to uh to hero in uh in a recent uh you tried things you want to stand up simon quickly did i show you uh i can't though yeah there he is with his with his with his head um yeah so that's a good question thank you yeah um i thought it went really well i when i went when we were kind of brainstorming about what i wanted to do next it was it's actually uh simon's simon's idea he said why don't you do like a zero to here around there's a virtual desktop okay do you want to be what do you know about it and he's like not much right well do you want to be my co-host and it kind of started like that's a random conversation around it yeah um it's massive i think it was massively successful i got got you know loads of positive comments around it um and and again it was just it was a very i tried to air my content a kind of um do you call it level 100 maybe they'll sort of just sort of for beginners to to kind of just making you know just learning the sort of services because there's loads of content out there like microsoft docs for people who want to go really advanced so i tried to try to aim it at people who are just wanting to learn new new stuff so try and keep it as simple and basic as possible it's massively massively fun to do um i got loads out of it as well and it was just yeah it was good fun again i was doing it with them i was doing it with a mate so you know what else you know what what else can you can you want and again we tried to show the integration with the rest of the ecosystem in azure which was one of the things i've tried and wanted to hit home with abd this you know as a platform on its own it's just vdi you know what what sets it apart from other other vendors and other competitors is that ecosystem so yeah it was very funny obviously if anybody wants to watch it um it's still up on my youtube channel um imit geek on youtube so you can feel free to uh just taking that off the screen there it's all linked down there obviously a link won't help if they're powerpoint well done but yeah it's imity assume let's put a link let's put while i'm doing the quiz you stick that link into the chat if you can yeah i'll put it there i'm sure i'm working on it there you go there we go very good thank you um and you know i think personally one of the the great things about community um or at least the community that we've come to love over the past 18 24 months is that random conversations can have this impact right so this just started through random conversations in the community um and yours did too you you've obviously started a new thing with victor i'm not going to pronounce his surname who has been on this show in the past and he's coming back in in a few weeks time which would be awesome um around uh what do you want to introduce that yeah thank you yeah again so i started a new podcast really it's just it's a voice only it's no easy listening while you're traveling and again um as you'll probably see in the next few weeks me and me and victor um have of co-authored a book together on a sc 400 exam so the information protection one so that's how our sort of friendship started and again run we have a weekly call just to catch a random conversation so i'm thinking about doing a podcast about this topic what do you think and well it sounds good says you know join a co-host yeah why not and and our aim is again i don't know what your opinions are or the people who are listening but we have this amazing cloud community okay great people um not got a bad thing to say about it there are other communities out there as well one of them being for example cyber security now i follow the odd person on cyber security not a lot and that's that's that's me i need to work on that but victor is quite heavily involved in cyber security because it's his job as well he knows a lot of people have community i personally and victor agreed we don't see any any sort of crossover between the two you know i i want such an important subject is cyber security and security in general and i don't think it's intentional i think it's just when you have a community around so we have a card community we just almost everyone's welcome but we just focus on cloud we don't kind of look elsewhere to okay what's security doing what's what are they doing over there what are they doing over there um thank you for the kind words doctor um and what we want to do is we want to try and fill that bridge and get that that gap so we're going to try and do cyber security and cloud and have that integration to have guests on that kind of overflow both areas have some guess from cyber security and give them a platform and hopefully integrate the two sort of communities together and bridge that gap that's the whole point that's what we're trying to cover really cool no sounds good i enjoyed the first episode um and the second episode is soon i think yeah so well i believe there's a couple but it's done i think you're going and simon i'm going to be at the the microsoft 365 cloud summit south coast summit on friday and saturday um and and we're going to be we've arranged to record our podcast from there so um we'll have little snippets hopefully some video i'm taking my gopro when we'll have some videos of the event and um maybe some interviews with people with bump into um and i think i'm yeah i'm presenting as well i'm doing a presentation around and it's called endpoint manager in a pandemic so it's a use case i worked on um back right well march april 2020 and it's it's essentially um again the message is is how um technology can save lives really and it's in this case it's endpoint manager and how it allowed a school to facilitate having students at home being able to manage those devices from home and just that whole story really and the path behind it wow sounds good uh well fantastic thanks for for doing this this has been an awesome hour or so um we have the quiz coming up um you're not allowed to take part because you have a good five-second advantage on the unless you disconnect and join us on youtube then you're welcome to uh but there is a 25 pound amazon gift voucher up for grabs um so i'm gonna just join that and just put the sticker on the screen now while we're chatting um to connect up so if you go to mendy.com on your computer or on your um on your phone and tap in that code you'll hopefully join um this screen got 10 people watching apparently across the across twitter and youtube so hopefully we'll get a couple of people if just one person joins we won't bother um we'll just we'll just give that 25 quid voucher to um to the one person who joins which will be lovely i've got a question for shabazz actually yeah um how do you get hold of your podcast easily is it on the any of the podcast sites or google podcasts and music so what what we decided was so it's on um it's on this uh i think it's called aircast um it's on it's on a specific platform at the moment um i think we're waiting for it to see how it goes again with anything new you don't know how it's gonna you know how it's gonna go down we don't know what sort of views or you know listeners we're gonna get so because it was the first couple of episodes before well let's see how it goes if we get you know good feedback then we'll start you know investing a bit more time and effort into it and maybe you know recording it as a youtube video as well and putting on spotify and all these others at the moment i think simon's put the link or somebody's put the link in the um yeah the chat um [Music] cool so it's only available on that platform at the moment um so far we've got the feedback's been amazing so i think we will be investing a bit more time in getting it on uh sort of um you know your spotifys and other media i i really enjoyed that last night i find it really good sound quality um just really easy just like you say it's audio only and it's just perfect for sticking on speaker and just listening to while you're doing other things so it was really good yeah i think that's what we're going to stick to really the the you know for the for the graphic cloud user group we do like a video podcast where we you know we're on screen we have we have our guest on screen and it's great don't get me wrong but i don't know i just i'm really i really enjoyed doing just a voice only one you know i didn't have to do me hair i didn't have to brush my teeth or anything it would great i just yeah and you've kept up the same theme thanks very much all right we're going to jump into the quiz we've got four people in the quiz um so fantastic chance to win um 25 pounds here uh give it a couple seconds but we'll start that quiz now please don't be offended uh shabazz that wasn't i'm joking mate come on yeah good good all right we'll jump into that now um fine so here we go now i've been taking lessons from the welsh azure user group and they were their quiz was really hard so good luck with this one four people who have joined uh which of the following is not a windows 365 edition available today is that 365 business 365 enterprise or 365 pro super quick um good yeah so it's not uh that one's not available next up we have a look at the leaderboard i'm clicking it's not going anywhere there we go uh so uh so just a bit of information um jacob won this quiz last uh last time so um good luck jacob you could be uh you could be the second person who's won twice on this show right there's a minimum number of licenses required to purchase windows 365 true or false one true three faults the answer is false there isn't a minor number chris in the lead there i think i know jacob has yeah let's move off that then um next question windows 365 supports multiple users per single cloud pc true or false oh not true or false uh only in windows 3 365 business only an enterprise in both business and enterprise or not at all yep so not at all that isn't possible it's uh one pc per person look at the lady board see how we're doing oh i've skipped all the leaderboard apologies i'm so excited so no timer on this which word did shabbat spell wrong during his talk there's a good long timer on this because i didn't give you any warning that you'd have to get your phone out and start typing but this as i say i've been learning from matt fertunka from the welsh has used azure user group and he is mean on his so we've got one answer two um please don't write rude words that could get us taken off here one more answer 12 seconds nope all the way down to the to the line here three two one and the correct answer was session and uh someone got it right i was i was uh i was i was quite lenient with the the spelling on that um someone got it right clearly so we'll see who that was that is chris wright well done good listening uh a thousand points now look at that streaming ahead okay back to the normal questions cloud pcs can be resized to amend the ram cpu and storage available in business enterprise both or not at all everyone voted um it is only available in enterprise i've skipped the leaderboard apologies and see who got that right there but we'll just hurry this along we're at time now so within azure trusted launch enables better rocket building practices azure mfa for vms or vtpm for vms right at the last second there uh it is vtpm for vms so congratulations to the two who got that right and take a look the leaderboard for last question i think it's the last question coming up um and this one is directly inspired by uh matt fatonka so you've got a good chunk of time we've got chris wright and uh baltimore boat face let's see how we go maximum point i think for oh it's not this one not this one one more question after this too excited sorry windows 365 could be used offline without an internet connection only in business only an enterprise in both not at all are only on patch tuesdays not at all obviously although it is on the road map apparently okay the final question this is a typing in question so get your fingers ready type the word what word do these images make you think of one answer just the one answer let's bring everyone back on the screen um i think we're gonna hit the hit the limit on this uh see how we go lost the timer now but three two one cloud pc green cloud or c green cloud well then the answer was cloud pc well done to whoever got that right we'll see in a second oh that was horrendous in the world the world's critical much worse than that i think i'm quite generous with that one that um that that question of which word did i spell wrong was a bit unfair because it could have been a number of words i'm pretty sure i know i know i know i know so both chris wright and beauty mcboatface got that right uh and chris wright is the winner congratulations thanks for joining um great input i think we've had quite a small number of viewers this time live but you know i think that was fantastic input from everyone who's joined so thank you for watching if you have thank you also to shabazz and the rest of the team for joining us um that is it really unless anyone's got any more things i want to chat with um chat about with shabazzle the team thank you for thank you for taking part thank you very much um we have donna ryan mvp uh who he's going to be talking about uh wim witch because i did a video on win witch in the past and i wasn't very good at it so she's gonna do win which part two i think is the title of that um of that session but that's in a couple of weeks time fourth tuesday on the 20th on the 26th 26th of october uh with donna ryan who um yeah we're really excited for that session as well so please register for that we'll send some comms on twitter shortly so thank you for joining cheers oh thank you thank you for having me thank you bye cheers thanks guys thanks all

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