Cisco Catalyst 9130 - Early Look Into the Technology

that's quick hello everyone I'm Fred Niehaus how are you guys we're gonna talk a little bit out access points you know I'm gonna give you a couple updates take a look here if you look at what happened in this whole Wi-Fi stuff it starts over here Wi-Fi one in 1999 da Levendi I come from over here where it was out 11 nothing we took a barcode reader walkie talkie went beep for Hertz rent-a-car Walmart said can you make our registers Wireless their Ethernet well I can't take a chunk of barcode data and put it in a microphone not either and it runs too fast right so we changed radios credit spread spread spectrum there are two people that put this to stuff together I Triple E which is you know 802 dot 11 and whatever prefix it is suffix and the Wi-Fi Alliance the Wi-Fi Alliance happened right about here in 1999 with that 11 B it was called wek wireless Ethernet compatibility Alliance welcome we made the posters we got Intel signed up Microsoft sign up we Aero net Cisco bought us in 2009 late 99 2000 before that we were putting this together and calling it weka wireless Ethernet compatibility lines though Bellinger come in one day and said we can't call it Wacken I'm like what's wrong well we got posters made up thereby signed up it's a church like we mean the church West Edmonton Christian Association up in Canada had Weka so Phil Bellinger goes let's call it Wi-Fi I'm like oh high-five Wi-Fi either there's no fidelity I collect Martin guitars play a tune it's got fidelity right speakers have $2.00 no fidelity I like the name bill Bellinger submits the name Wi-Fi dinner brand in New York inner brand is an ad agency they make up names for Procter & Gamble Phil Bellinger exceeded my 5-under with other bunch of other names and it came back and he piously provided presided over the selection of his own darn name that's how we got anyway the funny story but anyway what Wi-Fi Alliance decided to start calling it Wi-Fi six because of five g4g we got to have a number two we can't be a told to dot whatever so then they reinvented history and walked it all the way back down to Wi-Fi one that's the deal their takeaway as Wi-Fi Alliance does to certify they certify products for interoperability we're a founding member of that it's team of everyone now if you look at what's happening with it all the Wi-Fi certification on our our ApS are happening by the end of the year and if you look at how this looking today I thought last month on the first how many products or Wi-Fi six certified right now went to the Wi-Fi Alliance twenty eight Wi-Fi phones Wi-Fi six phones only five routers or APs well whose routers are those they were only the ones in the test bed so that was the first of you know last month what about just before I came over here and left Ohio let's look again there's 15 of them this morning I looked I think it's 16 or 17 the point is the Wi-Fi Alliance just got their test bed running and they're just pumping the APS through now products are getting certified right now there's people who said older and Wi-Fi certified for months nobody haven't you know they just got it go what I want to let you know looking at the timeline of these things we've had these ApS out early in April the 15 17 20 we got them Wi-Fi five certified not a X certified because the test bed wasn't up and but we were working with Samsung and a lot of early vendors get interoperability things working in fact we've got some really cool stuff in software with Samsung where we can actually tell if you put your device in airplane mode you could tell the OS of Samsung all these things were working on but I'm talking about EPS and hardware so push me over here now the 91/30 AP looking at that ap looking at the lineup you've got these two ApS 15 and 17 those are our you know labeled where they call them here you know makes me small medium deployment I call them me to a piece basically they're the chipset vendors duration of the first ax ATP's they're early first to market ApS this one does OFDM a and uplink and downlink this one only does it in down like there's a lot of chipsets out there today that don't do OFDM a and what's all DM it's a big buzzword orthogonal frequency-division multiplexing multiplexes Bob all I'm saying is is I'm sending I can when I send a signal out on the air I send it with multiple carriers and OFDM a lets me put multiple users on carriers and get more out at the same time going downstream that's great you want to be able to do it upstream for Wi-Fi certification so every one of these ApS with the exception of this one will be WF a certified for Wi-Fi six there's a lot of ApS in the field that don't do OFDM a only in the only doesn't the downlink because it's a chip set limitation I tell you this just so that you know some products will never be Wi-Fi six certified so just be aware that this is the the flags if you look at this the breakdown here these two have unique Cisco features that no one else has these two ApS have the RF ASIC which is a unique chip that allows us to do spectrum analysis it allows us to do a lot of cool things and I'll talk about them in a bit so these two have a lot of differentiation then than the first two looking at the 91/30 ax it's an 8 by 8 AP which means in five gig I can have eight radios hearing a client and eight radios that can talk to a client in the previous products in the 90 120 if you go all the way back to the 2800 3800 when we came out with products people said I've got too much 2.4 coverage what I really need is dual vibe you know two five gigs this product can do that it can do 8 by 8 & 5 gig meaning I'm 8 by 8 or I can split it and create 2 5 and 4x4 mode the prior products when we did that like the 90-120 when he did that when he took the 90-120 and you said this is a 90 120 we're out of box I got dive holes on or he'd have an internal antenna 4x4 ap default was dual five it did five get I'm sorry default was five gig in 2.4 off the four antennas but you could plug in a port here get another antenna port and I could do dual five I could create a five gig here and a 5 gig somewhere else but if I did that I had to turn off the 2 for radio because the 2 for radio was an XOR I mean either 5 run to 490 130 is awesome you take the 8x8 5pa and you create it is an 8 by 8 or 2 5 and the 2 4 stays active so you've got 2 for running and you have dual father so if you think about that it breaks down like this where default full 8x8 mode and 2 for mode you're running all of that and you've got an IOT radio in there that can be convening and ZigBee and all that and you have an RF ASIC a spectrum analysis radio also in the AP so if all of that there or you flip it into the dual 5 and it says 5 you hear five you hear - for also active well why would you want to do that why do I need dual 5 what's wrong with just running 8x8 well if you look at this AP right above your head right in the center of the room here that ap can do dual 5 like this one can well if I'm on one channel one 5 gig channel everybody connects to that ap and everybody out there in the hallway connects to that AP if everybody connects you know she's gonna connect the fastest but she just could almost touch it from where she's in right so I expect her it's very fastest throughput and somebody out there is gonna get a slower throughput so everybody competes this one's going Fred Fred I'm Fred Fred this one's will my name is Fred and it's on the air against these guys right so if you look at channel utilization I'm at 60% channel utilization with everybody running if I break that off in a dual 5 my channel utilization goes down to 20% and 24 percent these guys connected they're fast speed these guys connected they're slower speed well instead of 60% I'm at 24% I'm at 44% what does that mean well if I don't have Wi-Fi 6 clients because remember Wi-Fi 6 has a lot of cool things for late and seeing everything else this is a poor man's better latency implementation you know if I can get that channel broke off get less people on it your acts get faster your latency picks everything's good right so that's the purpose of dual five and why it exists you can argue that when everything is Wi-Fi 6 maybe I don't want dual five maybe I just want 8 by 8 and just let multi-user mimo and everything else take it up and I don't need that but I submit to you that it's great to have the flexibility for that also you can do things with that that I can take that ap and I could put one antenna going one way one going the other if I'm a Kroger freezer in the freezer for the tow motors outside for the tow motors do the people you know I can move them around indoor/outdoor all that right I showed you a slide beginning with where I said these first two ApS at 91 15 they're the meet Q ApS they're just like everybody else well let's look at that one compared to the 91 30 this one's only certified for Wi-Fi 5 it doesn't do off DMA and the other so we won't get that certified for Wi-Fi 6 there's no support in this AP for dual 5 dual 5 it's something that we created when we did dual 5 the competition goes can't be done can't do it no you know that's stupid yeah well we did it and it worked really well and then they had to do it right and others do it by putting filters in the AP and doing trick we do it a lot better than you know because we allow you to put anywhere you want but anyway the deal is this one doesn't have external antennas this one does this ap is the only one come on clicker don't very me into this thing did you blame something clicker I did it's all right see if we still got control here I like that better now anyway if you if you look this ap can not only do all this dual five and everything but there's things coming in the future with this ble and ZigBee these two ApS have a gateway in it for ZigBee and threat we're looking at how we want to introduce that we have something called the air on a developer program where you can go and learn and use dev net and everything else do we want to do the ZigBee gateway and open the whole thing up so anybody can develop to it or didn't do we want to give you a pis we're in the process of working all of that out that's why the Gateway portion of this ap is not scheduled till next year but we're working on that to get that out this is also one of the only ApS that can come up full function with 8x8 mode IOT radio running USB port by the way we increase the USB port from 2 watts to 4 and a half on USB output port I can do all of that at 80 power 30 watts why the competition needs two wires they can't all that other stuff I can even bring this ap up on AF power in a limited mode why would I want to do that well maybe only got 13 watts because I want to stage a bunch of eight PS to a certain controller configure it so we even allow you to do that so that's pretty cool if you look at the back of the AP it's got a five gig you know multi gigabit port console port reset button very clean side of this got a USB port on it if you rip it open and I brought one with me here this this is the inside of that ap and what you'll see is there's an elaborate antenna system in here when this thing is in 8x8 mode these do two four and five gig the center ones do five gig well the RF ASIC is in the middle and the ble antennas that's a lot of antennas in that ap and it takes a lot of experience to get those antennas working so you get really good patterns and all with them and we want performance out of that as well and if you look at that ap the antenna design if you look at this little triangle antenna and this one in the center when we originally designed the AP when I remember I told you when you do do a five you have a micro cell that picks up the clothes people and a macro that picks up people farther away what we played with the antenna design on this product and you can see the heat map of a 4800 when it's in micro cell it's pushing all that energy directly down I didn't want to do a pattern I wanted to do a heat ball cuz you can see that better right the energy goes directly down and the macro cell gets pooched out and it goes out farther right we're introducing something called a micro meso cell and now look at this it's really similar ways what we want to do is instead of that whenever we did micro and macro in dual five the micro had to be the lowest power so that the macro could be the highest power well do you always want a small cell in a big cell maybe you want to medium sized cells so now we've changed the antenna design so in future software version releases we might be able to give you a sliding window that's like the instead of a micro make that a little fatter than a mic micro yeah micro small macros big me so is like my gut it's kind of not smaller than isn't real big but it's there right it's a little bit a little bit bigger right so we redesign that antenna and that's that's the quick 91/30 for a second I want to take you down some new paths here that's brand new these antennas now are self identifying so on the 90-120 and we'll touch on that I talked to 90-120 back in January February both the e wasn't available now that he is this is the external one with the RP T and C connectors so it's got our PT and C's on the top and it's got a dart connector on them on the side that's a lot of antennas I mean if you got four here and then another four out there you know if you're inside the aesthetics and all you may want this is just being internal right but you know internals look better aesthetic wise but these give you more flexibility there's something unique about the first port of this unit right here port it's purple now see it's a purple up there all these antennas break down with little rings on them like if it's got an orange dot it's dual-band us two four and five if it's blue it does five only if it's now purple its self-identifying so what happens is the AP boots up as it comes up it goes interrogate poor dane the purple corner is there a self-identifying antenna plugged into the purple port and if you've got one you know it'll look a lot like you know this one it'll have a purple stripe now the access point knows I've got a self-identifying antenna well big whoop I want that tell you why because when you have an internal antenna in the AP I know the gain of it so I could turn the power up as high as I want to the maximum power that's allowed on that gain of an antenna if I have an external one and I have our PT and C connectors I don't know if you're gonna screw a TBB ind bi I don't know what you're gonna put on so we limit the AP to 6 DB I any antenna that's connect the AP has to be 6 DB or less so since we know that it has to be 6 or less you know we know impeding no there 50:56 2 of them's impedance on that it's not an impedance mismatch it's an at UC regulation I'm a light bulb I said you can want to be a heart watch I don't care what's your hundred Watts right well if you've got the ability to screw something else on there and make 110 it's wrong right so we limit you to 6 DB I was a self-identifying antenna I can say I'm 2.2 now I can turn my power back it's a performance hit you know increase because it's self identified so a two point two DVI dipole is crippled because the power is a little bit lower because 6db i self-identifying it moves it all up that's it better that's the route that's the that's the series wait long on the engineer to configure the antennas correct it allows faced lousy intent the AP to discover what the antenna is instead of lying on the antenna because I said it relying on the engineer to put it in exactly cuz this gets a whole lot better than 30 this is just how we're doing it on the 91 to one that's increasingly important because there's a lack of skill right right absolutely so the nice thing is we're coming out with antennas that like the 6 DB eye patch for antennas and you have to screw them on the top right now with the the two new Pat and the patches have the dart use one insertion it's all connected so that's the big deal of that now I want to talk about that 130 the 91/30 the e version has no RP TNC connectors on it at all it's got a big yellow plug you unplug this yellow plug and I have a new 8 port dart this 8 port dart can plug in let's let's rip it down a little bit this 8 port dart has 8 RF connections and 16 lines of digital so now anything that plugs into this I can talk to well why do I want to do that well if I plug this in we've got a whole bunch of new antennas are brand new they're cool if I take an antenna like this one doesn't cover out here that is this okay now check that out I've got full 8 by 8 I can break this antenna in a duel five you know 4 by 4 I've got a antenna right in the middle of it for for IOT but the other cool thing is is there's a board here what the hell is this board and there's a an LED port that board is a double EEPROM the electrically erasable read-only memory basically what happens is I've got an LED on this and I could program this EEPROM and put it in this antenna and then when I plug this antenna into that ap it knows exactly the capabilities the antenna what it can do and then it takes the LED that's on the AP and mimics it on the antenna so I could basically put this in a manufacturing environment on a pole or something put this in lock box or weatherproof box and I'm rocking and if the LEDs connected I can see it right here so this is really cool we're calling Marlin Marlin is is a fish obviously being our antenna engineers big fly fisherman so we started naming every antenna we made and a fish you know coho and you know all these different antennas and our ApS our Islands you know like you know so so like this is this 91/30 we called it an axial you know its axles an island but anyway we have three brand new antennas coming out one's a ceiling mount one's a pole mount one's a 6db I army dam that's starting to look just like the APS why is that we redesigned all of these access points using pin or farina the famous people that make the Alpha rune or design the Alpha mirror can make them look as best you know their very best we could make them look and make them uniform so regardless of whether you have a 91 30 or 90 120 they all look they have the same look the same you know same look feel all that but here's what's cool I'm gonna tear these apart from it the ceiling mount antenna has plenum cable on it you can mount it but and that's that's what it looks like inside right you've got all these elements and you got your EEPROM that self identifies it if you look at that net if you rip it apart all I want to show you is look at the thickness of the AP compared to the thickness of the antenna so what does that mean when you put this on a ceiling I can grab this tile yank it down poke a hole in it with with a screwdriver stick the yoke up there it's already split for the cable and in two seconds like mount that antenna anywhere I want in the tile I know I'm not married to a rail it can look better it can you can put it it's it does the picture doesn't do it justice but it's a lot thinner on the ceiling you can just it's it's a it's a deployment aesthetic kind of thing you know then and it also like if your New York Board of Education you're worried the kids are gonna steal the AP or destroy it you know destroy the antenna and throw another one on there you know so so that's it the pole mount on the act or part showed you that you know it's got the LED on it this one's pretty cool this is a 6 DB eye patch that looks just like the AP with the N and antenna port it's Cisco live you know we had this rat's nest going on to be able to create dual v and everything now I can get rid of all of that and I have a one insertion I have an N two antenna and one insertion and it's nice and clean even Aruba you know I got I was somewhere where they had a rule about even they do this cabling mess you know and we're trying to get away from that so what if I told you that you can mount the antenna on a wall and slide the AP behind it so now you've got you've now taken an AP and made it a directional and you know AP and you've hidden the AP and you don't have all the cabling and management problems that you would have so that's a really cool thing that we're doing we have a stadium antenna I gain antenna for like covering stadiums and mass you know where there's lots and lots of people we've got that under development we're gonna fix it so that you can mount the AP behind that as well we're looking at whether we want to do it anymore make it weatherproof that kind of thing so we're working on that that's coming if you need to get into the antenna there's a dark connector you know that well you could plug in and it will give you RP PNC's it'll actually break this out so that you can split them and send them to different ways and what's this is just one that's not been prepped but but I wanted you to be able to see that I've got 16 lines at digital and I've got eight and RP T and C so you'll be able to use legacy antennas with this prod this is the RP T and C we're also coming out with a plug like this with end connectors for the higher gain antennas we no longer need a fever and you know a professional installers because everything is self-identifying and we'll have a cable and allow you to do that so the takeaway is the 90 120 uses a four Bang 19130 uses an 8 and 8.1 so if you're ordering don't work at the wrong table that's you know I just want to put that out there differentiation between things we've had a long history of designing things Cisco Richfield Ohio I like to promote me because that's where I come from we're the only business unit in Cisco that has six pioneer Awards Pioneer Award and Cisco's highest award for engineering development and and and it's cool so so we're the only group that has six of them and a lot of them were because of you know the spectrum analysis and what by the way there's a guy that I worked you know you just had a presentation on on Ethernet here's a guy that sits next to me Clark party he invented multi gigabit ethernet clark card he holds all the patents on that nonsense and helped build the end based e alliance and if you talk to him he's like worse like Pioneer Award I should've got Pioneer Award because he argues that that darn thing is really being used right yeah but anyway we've done all of this stuff all the way to the RF ASIC and what's cool about the RF ASIC is we were tied when we when we did Cod neo we were using it when we bought Cagney oh we had a spectrum analysis chip and we married into a Marvel silicon and we put that together I don't want to have technology religion I don't want to be trapped in the way into a Marvel or Broadcom or a Qualcomm or you know because all of them are different so I do our special stuff things like fast locate meaning if I've got an AP that's on the servicing clients if I have a third radio that's out there that can listen to clients and and and multiple a piece have those I can quickly find you and where are you I can triangulate you in and you'll see versions with hyper location coming out down the road you'll see other things where we're using that are facing that's one thing do 0-8 DFS if I can use my monitor radio which is this one here to listen and not my client serving radio then if there's a DFS event I already know where to go I can move things quicker right you know it's an entire another radio system it's a software-defined radio but let's you do it 91 30 it's on the back of the AP and 91 20 it's here if it's an internal there's only one RF connector on it but if you have an external version like the 91/30 YZ or the X YZ there's two ports being used because if I send a five gig and 10 of this direction I said well in this direction what if there's a DFS event if I rely on the chipsets to do and I'm gonna jump ahead of some of this stuff you know you know if I've got DFS you know I've got to get off that channel if I get a false because there's a bad client that's making noise that looks like there's a DFS event or at the party last night Andrew Vaughn Aggie was talking about an airplane an old airplanes that fly over his head that that simulate the effect and he gets these false crypts and all that if you have a chip set and you're anybody any company because we all use these chip size if you got a Marvel Broadcom Qualcomm Fred calm whoever the hell chipset you're using right if you've got a chip set and it has a problem with false TFSA you got to go with your hat in hand and the chipset better can you fix me I got I got customers in the field man are you the RF ASIC looks at that and goes is that really a DFS I don't think so because I can look at that thing at a really low level I know exactly what that is ignore Broadcom false it's a false stay on that channel I mean if you've got an outdoor thing or something out there that's even a malformed client that's making signals that look like DFS it can shut your network down are FA sick that separate radio is a checks and balances against the against the chipset vendors so that's really cool and fast locate I mentioned if you if you basically have a spare radio and are faceook but can listen you could tell where the clients are find them quicker I don't want to get into too much softer I'm done with this noise but but the thing I want to talk to you about is the RF ASIC is like bringing in topsail I have no idea what we're gonna plant what that that chip is incredible but we need software engineers to build software cool things do it do you know things like our fingerprinting they're talking this radio from another you know there's so many things we can do that chip Center but we need time to do it the point I want to make is you can't build cool software if you don't have cool hardware behind it right and all of these ApS are made not to fail I can take this in a good your tire plant Cole Kroger freezer if it fails and that's a problem by the way I'm gonna leave you with one last thought I tell my relatives who don't understand this crap that this is a coffee cup my coffee cup will work in a freezer an entire plant I could throw this damn coffee cup on the floor I can pick it up and it will still work now change them up it's not about the AP it's about selling you a license agreement to use the AP well if I'm gonna sell you an agreement to drink out of the cup maybe I don't care about the cup if the cup fails I'll give you a new cup maybe a jacket that matches whatever you want you know and it's done and my point is if I'm a good year tire plant in Indianapolis Indiana I got robots running around with tires everywhere the things 35 feet in the ceiling it's hot as hell up there if that ap fails I'm screwed we do the best job with these ApS that's why they're called catalyst calluses Cisco's top of the line we changed it from arrow net to catalyst it's not it's not so and so against arrow net its own so against Cisco Catalyst these things are gonna work I'm out of time but I want to you know the point I want to make is when those things fail I'm going to just go ground nightcrawlers and grew pilote me all on my shirt and I'm done with this [Laughter]

Channel: Cisco

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Keywords: TFD, TFD20, Catalyst, Catalyst 9130, EN, Enterprise Networks, AP, Tri-Radio

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Length: 30min 55sec (1855 seconds)

Published: Mon Nov 18 2019