Chia Plotting god tier list! SSD and CPU rankings

hey guys it's jm i have a fun activity today i'm going to go through the plotting hardware spreadsheet and grade some of the components into the tier list that i have uh i spent a lot of time looking at this plotting spreadsheet of course we have since the last couple months of plotting we have mad max plotter which most of the series chia platters are using i have since the first video i did on mad max spent a whole lot more time with it on a whole lot more systems so i have a pretty good understanding how this works and scales there's the new all dram flutter called blade bit which has just produced outstanding results and there's a ton of other cool stuff that has been released some companies have released these qi optimized plotting ssds and there's all kinds of cool stuff so i'm going to go through kind of my list of stuff and hardware and how i grade them for the plotting tier list so we're going to start with i think this is the ryzen 9 3950x and uh you know in between c and d tier i'm gonna give it a seat here because um it's a great processor um amd's fast the the results are outputting about five to six tib a day on the plotting spreadsheet but you know unfortunately it's expensive it's harder to find and um you know for the dollar price performance ratio of plotting versus what you can get with other cpus i don't think it's a top pick and that kind of goes with something similar i would rank the ryzen 9 5950x it's a great cpu it's a great gaming cpu but i think it's going on amazon today for about 800 bucks for a 16 core which is not a good deal as far as price per core i think the new amd you know zen3 stuff is great i have 5800x as it uses my gaming machine it's also a very fast cpu for plotting for uh but again not for price performance it is pretty expensive per core versus what you can get elsewhere so for that i'm gonna give it a seat here uh and while we're on the amd kick i'm gonna give the threadripper pro an s tier if you go look through the plotting spreadsheet um which i've spent a decent amount of time on uh some of the if you go to the mad max tab uh some of the top systems are these uh threadripper pros this guy grand master who's got the row five has a threadripper pro 3995 wx and he's got seven samsung 980 pros in raid 0 and he is getting 18.38 tib a day running four uh instances of mad max that's uh ungodly high um now unfortunately this the system is extremely um high cost you know the threadripper pro is not a cheap part hopefully if you're buying this you're using it besides something else besides plotting after you're done with it but just because it's uh dominating the leaderboards i'm going to give it a nest here now a controversial pick um it's a tough one uh the 980 pro i'm going to give a d tier people are going to be pissed off at this it is a fast ssd it's actually best in class it's pci gen 4. uh it's actually really decently high performance has good sustained bandwidth and has decently good performance in plotting and actually some of the top plotting results are with the 980 pro on the gen 4 system um why am i giving you a detail there's so many better ssds you can pick for this price point that have tons of endurance that are not going to be bottlenecked now if you're buying in a super expensive ssd you want to plot with it and then use it for something else you don't want to wear it out plotting and as you guys know i've created the chia ssd endurance wiki and if you go to that wiki and i've just actually popped in this is the 980 pro if i can scroll over i popped in the two terabyte model you can see 980 pro 2 terabyte if you guys i'll send you guys a link you can look through this but you can actually hear input you can put gib per minute and i just had an estimate before for the old plotting process of like point three gib per minute times the number of concurrent plots but you can actually put in the mad max rate so if you go back to my plotting spreadsheet i have a tab here called gib per minute that actually automatically gets updated when you put in the times this is really interesting because if you look at this guy he claims to have 870 second plots with a samsung 980 pro at 6.99 6.983 gib per minute then if you pop that into the endurance spreadsheet um this shows that a samsung 980 pro well i i give a range so the way that the plot the endurance spreadsheet works is you have a range of what the worst case plotted is going to be if the drive is full you don't have trim on um kind of bad conditions that's the what the spec sheet says for the tbw and then there's the waffle one which is the drive is close to empty the drive is getting trim and if you're using a two terabyte drive in mad max the drive is gonna be less than 50 full so in the best case if you get a perfect right ample one which means every bit of data you write to the to the eyes from the host that you're writing only one for the nand remember waff is nand rights over host right so waffle one is perfect garbage collection efficiency um if you get that this two terabyte samsung drive can plot 507 uh tib of plots before wearing out and then you know my calculation is uh with a waff of one is 65 97 tbw remember the spec sheet says 1200 tbw for this drive but i'm saying for a waffle one you can most likely get about 6.5 petabytes written okay so why is this a bad drive so it writes pretty fast and you can see the sustained right bandwidth is 1.6 gigabytes per second and that would mean even at the best case you're going to wear this drive out in 47 days as you can see there's a lot of people that are plotting with this in the plotting channel yeah it's a really fast drive but it wears out uh way faster than other drives that you can get for this price point so uh for that i'm gonna have my controversial uh d tier for the samsung 980 pro uh now we're going to take a little bit of skipping around here let me let me dig around my components here and find what i'm looking for which is the wait where are you aha epic and server in the god tier i'm going to give the epic the god tier if you guys saw somebody somebody in the spreadsheet with mad max has this um basically this uh user pente has a uh 2x 7742 epic so these are the 64 core uh epics and he's got a bunch of nvme drives and um he claims to in the spreadsheet be doing 12 parallel plots with mad max at 3 500 seconds apiece and 29 tib a day uh with this same system a yeah user zornox has basically confirmed that with the 64 core system on blade bit which is the all dram plotter remember you need 416 gigabytes of dram so this is not a very user friendly machine you really need a server class to perform this all dram plotting play bit but he's claiming to get about five minute plot times which would give you about 28 tib a day so in all dram plotting this machine uh with threadripper pro an epic um you know these 32 and 64 core variants are just absolute beasts and plotting and for the god tier i'm going to give the dual 64 core epic with blade bit the god tier um the other god tier i'm going to give is uh let's see i'm gonna give it a nest here i'm gonna give this the other one i spent a lot of time with if you guys have looked at the spreadsheet you'll see these um uh this my good friend allen who is had input his data into the spreadsheet um user malvintano is he's using a super microworkstation board and this is the x12 spatf and if you guys saw intel just recently launched the ice lake workstation versions he's actually using the xeon version of this chip which is the 8360 aq um you know it which you can you can click on the link here and it'll take you to the uh the page but this is a 30 core 38 core cpu and this is a single socket system and he's using a p-1500x ssd which you guys may know i'm a huge fan of this ssd this is the fastest ssd in the world this is intel optane pciu gen4 it maxes out the pcie gen4 bus it has 100 drive rates per day it's an absolute beast for plotting so in his systems this plotting output with the p-1500x on gen 4 with ice lake is actually beating tempefest with dram i mean he's having faster plot times to this gen 4 and be me with optane than he is with temp fest i have some theories on that one is tempefest is just not as optimized for block storage as it could be um my other theory is that this plotting process is very memory bandwidth intensive so actually freeing up some of that memory bandwidth for the plotting algorithm by moving the data from the pcie bus instead of the dram bus is actually a good thing but on this system he's actually produced the single best block time i have seen with mad max which is 666 seconds um and then the same system he's producing about 15 terabytes a day output tib a day using three instances three instances of mad max on just one ssd he's running them all to the same ssd he told me that he's basically seeing this ssd about seven gigabytes per second right on in this one ssd so this is just absolute beast and for that um you know this super micro workstation the xeon workstation and the octane go into the s tier um i mentioned blade bit um i'm going to put the ice lake into god tier i have some unconfirmed results that we have an under five minute plot on uh using the ice lake with blade bit uh hopefully we'll be able to publish some data soon from one of the partners that i'm working with that has tested this out i can't wait to test it out myself i still don't have a system um but this would be amazing this is like you know if we can get down to like four minute plot times with uh you know maxing out pcie uh gen four ddr4 and this uh third gen ice lake then potentially you know you're at like almost 40 tib a day on a system so this is a god tier again uh god tier because you know one i don't suspect anybody can afford this two is impossible to get right now because everything's just sold out and way back ordered but uh if you guys do get a um you know get your hands on a third gen uh xeon scale little processor which is code name ice lake uh boy you guys are lucky um okay what next uh there's a lot of people plotting with like whoa did something weird here uh there's a lot of people playing with old dell servers and i'm gonna give these a c because if you've seen i bought um in the plotting spreadsheet i bought this uh dell 740xd um where are we if you guys look at the plotting spreadsheet you can see i have this r 740xd this is a great you know supports up to 12 nvmes if you buy these retimer cards um you know i i got this system for 3000 bucks on ebay with two 22 core cpus and 256 gigs of drams i got a pretty good deal um now i am seeing about 11 tib a day uh right here or sorry 10 tib a day with two instances of mad max i'm using tampa fast and dram i could probably get 11 or 12 tibe a day if i use an octane as as the core temp and not use all the dram bandwidth um right now i'm just using the mad max with the temp fs on the dash 2. so uh this is really good value now a bunch of people using the r730xds from before anything with these old high core count dell machines are doing pretty good in plotting and they're good value dells are easy to manage they have this idrac management so you can install the operating system and remote in to do bios updates and all that crap so i i really like working with dell servers especially for people that are new to servers it's really helpful to have all that stuff so i'm gonna put that in the seat here uh good performance you know if you get a good deal on them you think it could be good value but really they're overpriced for most people to be plotting on for general purpose uh okay a tier oh yes my first pick as you guys know in the geo um decentral ssd buying guide i recommend the p5510 as kind of our one of our top ssds for plotting it's pcih4 it has instant trim time for um really good trim performance and formatting uh it basically has 4.1 gigabytes per second sequential write 3.84 terabytes drive so lots of capacity this was a really good drive for the old plotter because you could run many many uh instances in parallel and the performance would scale very well on mad max it's great too and you still have a bunch of sustained right bandwidth and you have tons of endurance so this is just an all-around good pick if you get a good price on this drive you can find the 3.84 terabyte version for like 700 bucks on ebay uh this is just a kick-ass plotting drive you'll see a lot of people that have used this for plotting are now reselling them in the channel and they're only about ten percent used with endurance and they've plotted you know petabytes of data so uh these things are absolute beasts so for that i give it an eight tier um i'm also going to give the eights here to the octane the old octane so the 905p um you guys mentioned intel does continue this drive but they may be bringing back the newegg for some octane and chia promotion because this thing is just such an awesome drive for uh for plotting so optane is super high endurance the consumer versions of the octane drive have a less driverized per day version than the data center version but truth be told this is exactly the same drive as the data center version as the p4800x the 905p is the same controller just some different firmware optimizations doesn't have all the s and bus and side band management for that you need for data center management but you can even though the smart only says that it has 10 drivers per day which is still more than you'll probably ever touch plotting it's actually much higher than that and the sustained bandwidth because it's obtained it's not nand uh you just get consistent performance low latency and super high endurance these things are awesome for plotting i just saw that you can get the 900p um you can get the 280 gigabyte versions for um you know 300 bucks on ebay the 960 gigabyte version is going to be selling a new egg for a thousand or no 700 bucks which is an amazing deal and for plotting it's just the all-around amazing drive so uh boy if you can get your hands on one of these again they were sold out but intel's gonna be bringing some of them back and you can find them on ebay these are awesome for plotting uh where to next um the regular threadripper i'm gonna give an a tier because if you guys look at the plotting spreadsheet um yeah most of the people that have these threadrippers the that 3970x um are getting about 10 to 11 tib a day you can see this guy's getting eight um i've seen these guys go up about about to about 10 tib a day let's see here this guy is getting nine tib a day uh so this is just an all-around good processor uh i know this one the 3970x can't remember if that's a 32 core uh but yeah the 32 core variant is getting about 10 tib a day um now it's a little bit expensive so arguably i might have to drop this to the beats here just because it would be an eight tier for performance but you know just because of uh i'm gonna have to put in the beats here um you know just i think it's a two thousand dollar cpu for 32 cores well you can buy 32 core data center cpus which i definitely are not as fast as the threadripper but you can buy 32 core data center ss uh cpus for much much cheaper or you can buy 216 cores for you know like three to 500 bucks each if you get them uh you know used so i'm gonna put that in the beats here although you know a lot of people are big amd fans um you know i'm giving the threadripper an s t here so don't don't hate me so much uh i am gonna give uh boy the the i7 almost would be an a tier just price performance in eightier but for all around plotting it's a b-tier i'm able to get about 3.5 tibe a day on my budget build that says the i7 10 700. um you can get these cpus for 250 bucks i've seen them as low as 220 bucks for eight core the you know all-core turbo you can get to 4.6 gigahertz if you tune the bios these things are just awesome price performance you know you can get the um in that spreadsheet i have the tib per day divided by the system cost and this i7 will out undoubtedly in the budget build still be the best value for plotting is you know the output is not super high you know you might get you know three and a half tib a day per system but you know on a system that's some thousand dollars that's very very good so i'm gonna leave this in the b tier uh where are we okay mp 600 um i don't know a lot of people disagree with my pick having this drive be the um you know as in in one of my best nvme drives for m.2s um yeah again i recommend data center ssds because they're just much better value but i had to use these drives in my brother-in-law's build i have two of them in raid zero because you know he's just got an integrated system and i needed an m.2 that i could get off amazon and they're doing very well i'm right now i'm running mad max on them i'm re-plotting for him uh through the pool plots and during that first phase of mad max when it's writing out phase one each of these drives in raid 0 is getting 1.4 gigabytes a second bandwidth so it's writing about 2.8 gigabytes a second bandwidth on a 10 core machine um this is very good and the i've plotted i plotted his 70 terabytes once and then we're plotting it again for the pools and these things are about 15 where um so these they're just holding up really well so i i'm just gonna give this an all-around good cpic it's not the fastest gen four drive it's got really good tbw and it's just been very for good performance um now i'm gonna put the beats here the tried and true my original pick for nvme ssds for plotting was the p4610 these are still amazing as these if you can get you know a 1.6 terabyte or 3.2 terabyte you know for inexpensive cost they have tons of endurance you know 3.3 gigabytes a second sustained right bandwidth just you know uh un uh unbeatable um you know data integrity and reliability like the failure rate on these are abysmally low they were one of intel's most popular drives if you update them to the latest firmware they're just unbreakable so i've used these in all tons of plotting systems and uh yeah they are just unstoppable so i'm going to give those p4610 a b tier now okay wherever so this is my if you go boy okay let me remember this is my super micro system if you go to my spreadsheet i put in this uh super micro cascade lake and it's this system 10 29 uh u t and 10 rt that's a crazy silly name but i have two 16 core uh xeon gold six six twenty six uh six two two six r's and um right now i'm getting about 11 tib a day out of that system uh but it's super easy to work with it's got 12 nvme slots in the front panel this is just an awesome 1u server it takes about four to 500 watts it's very power efficient space efficient this is just a kick-ass server um so that's going to go with my b-tier pick now this might seem like a very specific b-tier pick but it's in the spreadsheet and i really like to see super micro servers any of these super micro xeon servers are going to get a b tier pick for me um along with those lines you've seen a lot of in the plotting hardware spreadsheet i have these things called the wolf pass which is this is the code name for intel's reference platform on skylake and cascade lake and these are just kick-ass servers so the 2u variant has one um version that has you know eight drives or twelve three and a half inch drives in the front panel i like this version that has eight two and a half inch drives it's very inexpensive you can find them on ebay for under a thousand dollars new and you just have to buy the cpus and dram these are the bare bones and they have four ocular connectors on the board and you just buy a ten dollar occupant cable and you connect that to the back lane this combo hot swap backplate supports nvme sas and sata in the same backplane so this is a kick-ass server you can hook up four nvme drives without adding any additional cost to the system and then you can just buy these used xeon gold cpus on ebay for 300 bucks you can get 16 core cpus for 300 bucks um you can get like the qs versions or you can buy production versions used of the xeon gold 6130s and these systems can do like eight tib a day um and they're just super easy to work with they have like tons of adding card slots in the back for nics and for hbas and other stuff and they're very easy to build and the firmware and bios updates work very easily um i'm just going to be selfish here and give it a b tier pick because i love the server i have a bunch of them and um yeah they've been very well for all the people i've helped you know build these up it's been helpful uh so sata drive i love the like the intel as 4610s and s4510s they're great drives i use them for boot drives um if you get the small capacity ones like the 480 gigabyte drives and rate them together you can get good plotting performance but you just take up so many sata slots now in an old server that has 24 two and a half inch bays that might not be an issue but for the most part you know you want your sata slots for the hard drives for farming you know you want you know there's some users that have like really good results rating like 12 of these together for plotting but it's just too much of a pain in the ass when there's high performance nvmes that are 16 times faster than sata sata is great for cheap and easy to attach but it's not very fast the sata bus is limited to about 550 megabytes per second um so you're going to be severely bottlenecked uh by plotting on a sata drive so i'm going to give it a d tier even though i love the sata drives uh for other things um very easy to backup data and throw data around plug into different systems but for plotting it's a big fat no and where were we okay the broadwell server this is really so this is the most surprising pick that i have from the the pilani i bought this system um you can buy them bare bones the same place i recommended in oakland uh it's one of these warehouses that people can buy used hardware from a lot of people went out and took my recommendation early on in the chia if you guys were around and bought some jbods from these guys they're selling the same server this sys 1028r wtnr this is a broadwell super micro server it supports two nvmes it supports broadwell which these uh i'm using these uh 14 core xeon e5 26 90 b4s and it gets 220 gigabytes of dram i bought it brand new like this for 1200 bucks you can get it bare bones for 400. these are freaking awesome servers and with mad max with using 110 gigs as my temp um i'm actually getting 6.26 tib a day on this old server that was 1200 bucks so it's actually the most as far as price performance this is performing is about as good as the budget build and it's a rack mountable server and you can reuse it after for other cool things so i am i'm going to put this in gosh it's almost an eight-year for value just old broadwell servers i'm going to put it in the eights here and i think i had in the bt before but i'm going to upgrade it to eight here because the value on these old old systems now this is my super micro system anybody who's buying an old dell like an r i think it's this generation would be a 730 or like a 630 or an hp gen9 or any broadwell-based system that has a xeon v3 or v4 these are kicking ass and mad max because you have lots of cores you can use the tempefest for the dram and you get good dram bandwidth for the temporary storage and they are just doing awesome so um i'm gonna keep in the eights here uh my last eightier pick is this new pny lx3030 so if you guys saw i did a podcast or a video on youtube with the cto of phizon sebastian and we posted it on the chia youtube channel um talking about the new maker ssds that are optimized for geoplotting so their two terabyte version has 54 tbw 5400 tbw 54 petabytes written and this thing has been awesome i've been using it to plot i've written about two petabytes to it and it's about two percent used so this thing is just amazing it's an m.2 form factor it's not overheating it fits on every system now my recommendation would actually be the one terabyte version of this because you can still get um with that the slc that they use slc nand that they use they can get max performance on a one terabyte about 2400 megabytes per second sustained bandwidth at a one terabyte and so for mad max this is really perfect it's going to be in the kind of 400 500 range i think i don't know what they're gonna price it at but um the one terabyte version is gonna be perfect for mad max tons of endurance and sustained bandwidth they disable all that caching slc caching stuff it's just pure slc mode so this is an awesome pick for plotting uh again i've been using it and it's not you know it's not um slowed down one bit and i think i've written about two petabytes to it the one that they gave me to test so this this continues to kick ass i'm gonna leave it in the eights here um that technology that faison had that's gonna be powering the pny ssd it's also powering the saber plot ripper i know we saw another announcement from adata the prospector uh for chia plotting drive i have not got my hands on that or talked to them yet but i do plan on doing that so super excited about these slc drives for chia plotting i think we're going to end up seeing 256 gigabyte and 512 gigabyte versions of all these because with mad max they'll actually perform very good with slc only mode um and it'll be a much lower price point like 100 bucks 200 bucks so i'm super excited for all these cheap optimized plotting drives and so we're down to the f tier um so i have a bunch of 660ps and 670ps in my client systems like if i'm building a system for my mom or something this is what i would put in there because 99 of people this is the right drive it's super low cost it's qlc they have a good slc cache so the burst performance is very good it's insanely low power so for good battery life this is a great drive but it's not good for cheap body qlc you know is not good for sustained bandwidth and the cheap plotting just wipes out the slc cache even with mad max mode the firmware is not really optimized for this you know even if you were able to stay in the sc cache on the two terabyte version um the endurance is not really optimized for switching back and forth between slc and qlc like that many times so yeah ah man i just wish um yeah the qlc is great for lots of things not and now these would make great farming drives because there would be zero idle power and they could farm with zero energy use and uh you know once these get to like five cents a gigabyte maybe they might be kind of interesting for these and once people get to like eight terabyte m.2s at five cents a gigabyte that have zero power consumption like five milliwatt idle uh they might be actually pretty interesting for farming because um you know people that wanna buy some drives make some really low power farms but for plotting they are a big no so this also goes with the sabre i hate sabrin's marketing just because all the drives names look the same to me i might just not be reading them close enough they don't post the tbw on their website now i am excited that they're doing the plot ripper um and that will be a very good drive hopefully they get that out soon but their qlc the rocket q if you're gonna be i've had tons of people that are like i bought the rocket plus and it's plotting like crap um well you bought the rocket q and that's qlc and that's not good for plotting so i'm going to give these an f tier as well so um there we have it i guess this is it i um again i've had a lot of fun kind of digging through this plotting spreadsheet i love when people are adding new hardware to it um i'm going to be trying to post all my systems as i have a few i have a few that i need to post on that i meant i just remember that i have some systems using that um you know maker ssd from faison that i'm going to put on the spreadsheet but i've been putting all my systems on here just kind of playing around with mad max um again the things i'm most excited about are blade bit this is just so cool i'm going to try to get some systems with high dram so i can test this thing out and maybe do some videos on it the other thing i mentioned is just with mad max there's so many different configs now that work almost everything just works for plotting so the best thing for plotting is just you know if you buy some used enterprise drives like i mentioned in my initial recommendation that's still a very good deal but there's so many cool options for body now so there's not really a one-size-fits-all approach for geoplotting anything that computes will help duchy applauding now but i i certainly have created this in the or order i think that they're they should be in so with that hopefully you guys thought this was interesting thanks guys we'll 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Published: Mon Aug 02 2021