Charles Manson Interview With Penny Daniels 1989

so where is the man that I was dealing with in this interview is it you how do I look like a man to you well where's the gentleman that I was communicating with in the in the letters gentleman was horror my name is Dan its life story in Miami this is Miami they said this was France and we say this was France this little whatever the culture oh you were under the impression that this was an interview cramp yes no this is Miami inside short you were dealing with friend liars Justine Schmidt and then I sent you a telegram my name is penny James and this is Dale West mighty have a seat you know we'll finish we'll get our what we're doing here what was the letter that you got do IQ to roll this bill do you get a roll of this girl a copy of them no no see I'm sorry I understand your question see what I did was I got done a deal with the sky from France that he gets a roll of film and I'll do the interview with him and then he gives me a roll of film on the side like I get to do a half hour with him and then I get a half hour of my own to make David you walk yeah just sent to this address here that was not our I'm not the person from France that we are not the station well if I ever what is the impressed you're talking about it - yeah in other words like we already made a deal between Miami and me they said that was okay - that could be I'm not aware of it what is the address of the addresses in Hollywood Hollywood California who is the person Nick bogus who is he French you want me to give you a tape of the interview that you do here and send it to this man I want it I want a half hour off of your line in other words we're doing this for you half hour here for me why am I doing this I'm a celebrity I'm not I'm not a person - energy - I don't want to play interviews but I'm stuck under a game of immigrants I'm stuck on their little brain people today and I have to I have to try to get around that the only way I can the only time I can get on handcuffed is when I'm here with the media I've been 20 years in handcuffs if that makes any sense to you to anybody in this world you know 20 years in handcuffs you know so he can play daddy you know - you I mean you know get off that trip no get up off of me I'm serious I said get up off of me you understand what I'm saying now I understand what you're doing and I'd like to talk about some of these things are you telling me let's get this straight are you telling me that you'll do the interview for you yeah I'll do the interview for you and then I get a few minutes to send it to this no problem no profit did you know that would be worth something and that's so it's going to depend largely on when you say choice we would allow it to exit institution would Evy you're going to put your important suppose some bit like you're somebody you ain't nothing but a lot man seven keep your mouth shut so you don't run anything okay so there's no brothers dancer things you say you don't run a damn thing you understand what I'm saying to you you don't run nothin here you know whatever he's telling you you know if he's putting his importance of over you there ain't nothing over here right now he said my old lady in Florida my lady's over you in Florida and that's the only thing it's over you you take that all the way to Regan and his horse who is your old lady in Florida squeaky's in Florida right now and he took her from Kentucky she she's trying to give us a trial we didn't get a trial we didn't get our rights we did get anything we were tried by the news media we were tried by the courtroom the courtroom just that the news media was selling it it was making money it was buying some and when it's making money they're gonna sell they don't care who's got to pay the price for it we had to pay the price for you know I didn't break no law everybody the world knows that but it seems like these people around here they can't get in their brains that I didn't break no long what is squeaky got to do me because it's only one one girl it's only one woman what does that mean that's Jesus you don't across woman you don't even you know you people don't even know where you're at or what you're doing or what's going on in the world you're saying there's one woman as there one man man died in the wars harlots and cemeteries got all the men here's the management dying it's all a reflection of Mother [Music] I need for the mic on your back this is good a Lebanon or go to work blue bhavish gone or go out of the jungle you might find one you know but I don't think you're gonna find one not out in this madness unit you know they're all working for you she knows that you know sure she does sure she knows it she knows there's only one it's got nothing to do with me personally when I got out of jail last time she come up she said can I hang around you I told her no no way she says why so every time I let you run it up jail put you back in jail this was yeah this was 67 I knew her in dreams her daddy's a rocket scientist he makes rockets in and Boeing aircraft and I met her on a street corner she'd have no place to stay her parents kicked her out you know and I knew what her heart was and where she was running and what she was doing because that's an old garbage can to me I've run through that before saach-- over no way and she said by she said I won't put you back in jail if you don't break the law if you break the law you put yourself back in jail that's true you know so I said on so I said you give me your word is your bond and your bond is your life and she said yeah give you my word you know I said okay so she hung around for a while and the reason that there was a lot of girls around that place is because I play music and I play pretty good music do you play I know these jealous snake that's on top of me are lacking in manhood so they don't want nobody like me to live they do their damnedest to kill me every day they get the chance you know you're not a lot of guitar no I'm not allowed anything do you miss the music yeah that's that's mine that's what I live for music Anna how long have you been since you played quite a while they let me touch it every once in a while on the date they don't they want me to play it's like everybody wants the attention I don't want the attention I just like to play music why are you doing this interview Charlie because I can get another roll of film and send it down to bogus and I owe him a little something is that the only reason and that my old lady's in Miami that she's in Florida what does that got to do with it what has she she'll see this in the end and she'll know that I'm still where I'm at in relation to hear you call squeaking year old lady does that mean you have a romantic relationship no I don't play all that you know unless she's just a friend what you would call a friend she does what she wants I do what I want she's just a person although they say that I was a leader in a family of people which is bull that's that's bunk I had a lot of friends because I play a lot of Izzy a lot of people liked my music and we were all friends there was no such thing as follower leader there was no leaders or followers there was just people intellect intelligence there were people intelligent life-forms and there was a bunch of kids who were working out their problems for that particular time in that particular space and each had to do what they felt they had to do for the problems that they were working on which really had nothing basically to do with me I'm not of the 60s I'm not a generation of the 60s the 60s were little kids to me the Beatles were like punk rock is to you that's what the Beatles was to me they were thing you know that's not my ear my ear was Bing Crosby I'm 53 years old I'm not a teenybopper but all the kids they would come to me and say we got no place to go and I'd say well I got no place to you know so they were throwaway kids and I was a throwaway kid Johnny tell me a little bit about your background tell me if you could describe your childhood and a couple of sentences how would you describe it I didn't have a childhood tell me a little bit more tell me more I went to I went to reform school in 43 and I've been fighting ever since was it as bad as you described in the book that was co-authored by Newell and that wasn't my book that wasn't your blog but what about the parts describing your childhood and your experiences in the ERM school that was him writing the book so anything that part about that school in Indiana that's not true I treated some parts of it are true in bits and parts of it aren't give me a hint he gets little information from other people and anybody that wants to tell him something he and what he wants to believe and what he feels will sell to the public then that's what they'll write okay well let's not talk specifically about that book then tell me how you would describe how bad it was for you in these reform school a child don't know what bad is well he says in the book that you were raped so that you were beaten consoling man that's not true that's what he would like to believe but they're a know ain't nobody can do that so yours didn't have a lousy childhood then yeah I had a terrible childhood but I'm from here in other words it didn't know what to know I've never sold out they've never beat me I haven't been beaten tell me about your terrible childhood the child doesn't know what terrible is you don't want to talk about it I'm telling you a child doesn't know what terrible is terrible they're in a little description of it what is terrible you know terrible what does that mean terrible I don't know you used the word so I'm trying to get old no identity he used the word in his book I didn't I didn't I'm not sniffer I don't cry I don't sniffle I don't look for excuses to get off on other things you know I accept my position and I hold it let me ask you something how do you spend your days now since you're not allowed to play music how do you spend your time in jail sitting just sitting mm-hmm do you do anything else do you read no do you walk know at one point I read somewhere that you were making dolls if I drew I make the bowels yeah tell me about that I just started taking string and making little dolls and bugs and spiders and the hula it's a new art form am I created a new market or anything else like that any other things that you do in jail oh yeah I run an underworld you run an underworld in jail tell me about that you don't see I fly burns I look out for wildlife I'm trying to redeem my trees I have an organization called at wah rolling now trying to redeem life on the planet Earth from the people that destroy it tell me more about that who's destroying the earth and why the things that we do as human beings that are accepted and called right a hundred years ago have changed years ago we could cut down trees and we could afford an exuberant lifestyle we can't afford that no more we're running out of atmosphere we're running out of water our waters becoming so poisonous so polluted we're not gonna be able to drink it the trees are being cut down so fast lumber companies in just the United States is owned by foreign corporations Nixon opened it up for foreign trade and when Nixon opened up for foreign trade the people of Europe in the common market and Spain in different places they don't share about the United States forests and in short the United States has been sold out by people who really don't care for anything but money I've had all the money in the world three times I had to give it back to keep the game going what game the game it's a game money is a game it's only real to the people who work for it the people that don't need to work for money they it's you know it's in another game it's it's a game of paper it's all on paper I've got a production company and I've got a recording company and I've got a mansion in Beverly Hills and I've got Rolls Royces and Ferraris I've got everything money can buy but it's all on paper everything's done through the companies and through the tax loopholes and and the people that live on that level they don't care about the average honest mule that just goes back and forth to work they don't care about the children that are in the streets that are thrown out of this upper echelon of existence and then when all the children's fall down into me on my level I pretty much identify with them because I was a throwaway also so it goes to the point off do you really care when you said it does care and if anybody cares they're considered crazy I've been 15 years in the nut Ward for trying to stop the trees from being cut down from trying to rearrange a lifestyle of a bunch of people who don't want to change but they're going to change because the cold wind is blowing you're going to change there's going to be no life left on the planet Earth and then there's a bunch of little people that are always trying to play act some sort of importance of over the truth about what is rolling on the planet Earth now or she might use for me or we might use for another one of the friends and I say old lady let's get back to that talk about God for a minute tell me once again um I don't know if we got that what you were talking about about being God's messenger tell me that again life is God all life bugs birds trees everything that's alive is God the Son is God but we've got God over here on a cross we've got a dying man away on a cross and we're all kneeling down hoping that if we die there's a better place somewhere else well you got a whole bunch of people hoping that they die creates a hell of a big energy and I call it a death wish it's mother's death wish it's what everybody's going towards dying like the Vietnam War when they wanted to blow the world up and what have you got to do with God once again I'm just a messenger of the truth God's messenger life's messenger we use the word God the God hooks all the other words up I'm the Pope I'm ten times to pull I'm 50 times to pull but I'm the Pope in the hills and in the mountains I'm already out of here this enclosure here I'm out of here my body's stuck here but my thought is already gone when you told me you ran an underworld is that a joke no no why would it be a joke it's not a joke no when your word is good it's good what do you mean by that when your words good it's good what do you mean by that you run an underworld what do you mean by that a little kid came to me a long time ago and McNeil Island and he said would you take my I speak English I said no I won't teach other speaking English you're too stupid he's I'm not stupid I said come on let's go play some handball so I taught him how to play handball and I taught him how to speak English and I taught him how to tell the truth he lives in Peru what does that got to do with running an underworld oh I got a deuce telling me anything I want him to know that he knows I don't lie to it is that what you did with your so-called followers no no yes yes yes didn't cook for [ __ ] yeah sure sure but I didn't break will I didn't break the will are you saying that they didn't do anything they didn't want to do it's it that's it in other words if I'm with you whatever you do is your business I'll tell you if you drink out of that Cup you're gonna get so and so and you say well ruined I said well that's up to you if that's what you wanted you go ahead and do it I mean that's you I don't break your will what did your followers do I didn't have any followers I hate you friends what did your friends do they did whatever they had to do and what was that whatever that was did any of your friends kill people sure who did they kill they killed lots of people did they kill Sharon Tate and the people that night I imagine so if they said they did they did did you tell them - no let's talk about something else for a minute do you ever have any contact with your children you fathered at least three children right I've got a whole lot of children you have any contact with them I got prisons full of children real children I'm talking about real children that you fathered you have prisons for every child a guy's a friend of mine Charlie you know what I'm talking about I know what you're talking about you're talking about do I have any ego children by logic if you and I have a child and you take the child off and you raise him to be like you he's not like me he's like you are you in contact with any of your biological checkers anyone squeaky Fromme I'm in contact with everyone are you ever in contact with your mother your mother your biological mother I am my mother are you ever in contact with any other members of the so-called Manson family your friends the Manson family was a music group the music group I had was called the family jams and all the girls sang in the music group and all the guys played in the music group he had nothing to do with a call it was a music group whatever happened to those people are you in contact with that sure they're all doing fine we're all doing the same as we was doing before you can never split us apart because we were never together we were together in Soul we were together in truth and every one of them knows I've never lied to him I've never lied to anyone about them or around them they've never seen me in a lie do you ever get letters from people yeah tell me about some of the letters you get from people I did all kinds of letters from all kinds of people all kinds of kids all kinds of people that are lost people that are needy do you write them back sometimes occasionally what do you tell them hello hi how are you do you get them advice I advise us within do you give them advice if that's advice it's within you that's the advice you give it's without ya whatever advice is I does it you get visits do you get visitors no never are you're not allowed visitors I've got a lot of people standing on me trying to play important and each one of them takes a little bit until finally I've got nothing left and I set in the cell and then this dummy wants to come and he wants to get his little bit and this guy he wants his little bit and everybody's got their little bit you dig and then I'm stuck up underneath I can't do anything because everybody else is living my life they're representing me if all the people that were representing me that quack in one direction if they turned around and bowed in the other direction I'd have every head bowed because they're doing nothing but representing me Regan's court was representing me the court that Regan that I was in was Regan's court was his appointee he was representing me everybody's been representing me let me ask you another way I've heard that you get a lot of letters and a lot of heaven to pass gotten a lot of visits from kids just kids that you don't know is that true I am kids have you gotten these kinds of visitor letters from kids that you don't sure why do you think these kids write you because I am those kids what is it about you that they I am a child I never grew up I never lived in your society I never went to school I never had a mother and father I raised myself up what do you think it is about you that makes people want to be a part of whatever it is you're a part of I'm brand-new everything I do is always brand new I'm on the premise of reality I want a real a real Road I'm the real person inside I'm not a phony I don't put on the wares I say what I think you see what I'm saying aren't you putting on an air now I'm putting on an air isn't me when you put your when you look at backseat if it's an air see if where you get it and someone sees it and goes by and they say hey how you doing I said pretty good how you bleep where does it come from where is the energy and power come from who recharges your battery you know what I'm talking isn't this an act right now what isn't an act what isn't an act so you just shown that are you an act sure some are you all right we're all an act right what is it the only thing it isn't an act is when someone gets killed and then it is it it isn't an act because people's fear sees it as being real so the only thing people see as real as fear so if the people in the underworld are knocking people down in the streets and breaking their jaws maybe it's the people in the underworld that wants you to see that I am very real and I am on this planet earth and I am movie for at walk my air my water my trees in my wild life in every way I know how and every way I can does the end justify the means to end there is no end there is no beginning not an a [ __ ] there's only redeeming life upon the planet earth does that goal justify any means I don't justify or not justify I lay it out there what people do with it's their business if they decide to run up you kill Sharon Tate that's on them okay had you let us put on a defense we could have explained to you why it happened why did it happen all right you take 20 years 250 district attorneys 5000 policemen everything the news media has got you put it on one person plane it away how can I explain away all the miss concepts in 2 3 minutes or 5 10 minutes give me a trial in a courtroom give me my rights in a courtroom and then I'll explain it I can't explain it just in a few words or in a letter or in a postcard it's too vast it's too big it's circled the world three times what are you asking for a new trial I'm new I haven't got the first one yet you're asking for a trial but not just a trial just give me my rice all I want is the same rights that my father's died for the same rights that says United States of America I see Regan getting up in the United Nations telling the world how human rights are so important and how we should give all the humans rights and then you turn around asking on a darker side what about Charlie Zelle well you don't deserve no rights well if I don't deserve no ricin who does deserve rights I didn't break the law right now you're coming up for parole you have the right to come up before a parole board do you want to get out on parole for what parole where I want my rights my rights you give me a parole every other day it doesn't give me my rights if I don't have any rights he doesn't have any rights he doesn't have any rights and you don't have any rights I think I think I know what you're saying in other words if everybody gets equal rights you got equal rights do with the rights I got and this is sit down and keep your mouth shut or get your jaw broke is that the right you want do you want to get out of jail out of jail I've been out of jail since 67 I got out of prison in 1967 would you like to get out of prison I'd like to get my guitar and I'd like to see my friends what would you do if you got out of prison depends on what level I got on what would you do if you got out of prison on parole on parole I don't I don't know whether I would accept it for because if I accept it for all then I had to accept a whole bunch of little people play-act importance with my life I'm tired of other people running my life are you saying that you don't want to accept guilt guilt tell us that I can do anything I want woman what would you do if you got out of prison I'm out of prison I get out every day I get out in these guys every day you gonna walk everywhere up I'm everywhere man I'm all things how you locked it up how do you feel about blacks blacks are all right how do you feel about Jews Jews are all right how do you feel about women women okay Ronnie where the sign of the American Nazi Party this might not see party that's me what does it mean it means I've been locked up in here since 1943 then I'm standing behind the judges in Nuremberg I think I need a little more explanation than that there's a line that suggests that's on there's a premise of crime that's the Supreme Court's that's on that the government and the cross is set on I have been behind the judge since 1943 in the infinite consciousness of those black robes I had been on the dark side of the world you people live in for 43 years for a little over 43 years the juvenile halls Cook County Jail Chicago or Indianapolis DC Virginia I did a lot of time in Virginia all over the all over the country I've been in and out of jail I have nothing against no one unless they got something against me you come say hi I say hi you sound like you I said well I like you you see what I don't like you that's why I'm like you in other words however you reflect to me is what I'm gonna reflect back to you I don't care what color you are or you're from or what you're doing what race you are I am mean first and that is scotch I'm from Scotland first that's me and I look out for that number one me just like everybody else does do you Charlie do you resent the fact that you've been in jail practically all your life and if so why did you continue to do things that put you in jail split the question asked one at a time I can't answer to question you resent the fact that you've been in jail practically all of your life no I don't know what resent is that's a waste of mental energy it's a waste of time do you feel it's wrong right or wrong I don't judge that's what they got guys in robes before they judge well I guess then I can't really ask the second part of the question what's the second private question well the second part of the question is if you resent it then why did you keep doing things to get it back into jail why did you do so many things to get yourself thrown in jail you seem to like it when you were out according to what I've read well because I'm stupid I really am stupid I'm a lot of time smart in some things but other things I'm dumb in you know probably if you notice people that tell the truth generally act like they're kind of [ __ ] mentally [ __ ] people I can communicate with real good and decent dumb people man we talk like crazy you know in other words I'm alright with those and kids I'm okay with it but when you get grown up then there's not a problems I get jiying I don't get along too good with grownups and they get me in trouble people get me in trouble because I don't have the mental capacity to adjust to the outside and when I get out there I'm like a little kid I'm like a little baby in Rother specs you know that's why squeaky has fought so hard to get me out because she knows I didn't break the law she knows I was used by a lot of different people doing a lot of different things and that I didn't break the law what would you do if you got out of prison what would I do private placement music get my guitar go back out in the desert I got some trees I was planting some trees I got some trees I did a crazy thing I planted some fig trees and I didn't know fig trees take two trees did you know that there's fit may have a female trees I didn't know that I was playing fig trees and every water hole I go with plant one tree and I figure one figure it just water will be just right for the water roll but then I came to Jim I looked in the book and find out man you gotta have two fig trees to have fruit so I got a whole bunch of water bowls out there with one fig tree planted so I wanted to get back out and and put the plant the other side of that put the other trees out I like working in the dirt I like farm work I like growing things I like growing things gardens and things like that I like earth things earth things huh I'd probably probably get back down on the ground walk around just walk I don't do things that everybody does nothing sit around on a tree probably probably do not much not much how would you support yourself support myself see there and see in other words like your lifestyles got you thinking crazy you know you know did you support yourself I got figs over here I got raisins over there I got pine nuts over there I got pockets full of everything you can eat you know I got all I can eat and where I'm laying down is where I'm sleeping somebody will have to support myself but how does a deer support yourself every time they let you out of prison before you've turned to stealing oh now I'm stealing you got me in for stealing I thought I was in here for something else I didn't know I was in here for stealing you got me stealing too how do you put everything else on me at least three times what did I steal have you never stolen sure I stole it all right when I was kidding thought that was cool I thought that was cool when I was young sure I live by the code of the outlaw I give everything I got take anything I want do you think you've changed no down the road have probably changed I don't know change you know how's the universe change don't you think people change when they get older will he get older I don't know get over see all the things that you got in your mind it they don't exist to me get over get younger I was born a thousand see were born old and young yeah at the same time I was born don't be offended but I'm a nasty old man and I mad but I put my anger in in in the right direction the direction of that walk for 20 years we've tried to find intelligent life forms on the in the United States of America that just seem to be any there it was all bought and paid for these guys that sell themselves for that paycheck they don't exist outside that paycheck why are you mad I'm mad at people taking my life putting you in prison No taking my life what do you mean well when you cutting the trees down you're taking my life when you're polluting the water you're taking my life laughs your justice system ain't work to cool you know so I imagine that there'll be another one Phoenix in behind doing what's right all we're trying to do is do what's right but doing what's right in a world full of people that don't know what right is it's difficult because you got so many interpretations and so many different people in different directions you've got a thousand jesus's you've got a million Devils you've got 25,000 Napoleon's you got every kind of insanity going in the world coming and that la patois so it means that war if you put an R on the end of it and war with what pollution pollution a revolution against pollution so you're telling me all these people think that you hate the blacks and you hate the Jews and you've killed people and all you're really trying to do is stop pollution all the times been the same thing whatever people put on me it's what they're trying to play themselves on their level tell me once again I didn't quite get it why the American Nazi Party sign on your forehead those eight people were killed in Uganda when that's when that plane was hijacked and Idi Amin was put in the position to rule Africa I was in that episode and that's the one where I could saved my head because there was a lot of a lot of violence a lot of fear a lot of bloodshed was going on in those days and times for to stop the drought that was coming over there we see in the world don't you remember when the Lord went knows when the cold wind blows and turn your head around well we were all in that thought trying to change the world you know and you can't say you can't say well the Jews are the children chosen children of God and these Germans are no good because their forefathers fought no no no no no no the Germans are no worse than in Jews and the blacks are no worse than the Mexicans and the Mexicans are no worse than the Filipinos and the Filipinos are no worse than in Chinese so how do you reach it one with that whole circle how you reach you one with that whole circle how do you have peace on this earth you can't have peace on this earth unless you let second world war die you want to keep a second war war going you want to keep selling and buying Germans and dead Indians on TV every day you know that's got to stop the second war war it's got to stop and it's got to stop in the Jews the Jews won't let the Second World War stop they keep the Second World War going they keep it going they keep it going they keep perpetuating it because they're making money as soon as the Second World War was over they never stopped the brain wash the brain wash that they were selling the American public was making money you see what I'm saying they were making money they're not going to stop making money if the combination is there to make money they're going to keep selling it they'll sell it all the way till I'm in the cell with a guy named Millman Jerry Millman and he's got pictures of Hitler and Japanese and things ah I said boy Hitler must have been a hell of a guy he said Hitler was terrible I hate him I hate him I said why do you hate him he said I'm a Jew that's what white he was trying this guy's your daddy and he looked up to his mother's fear and his mother's fear was Hitler Hitler was like his father figure he loved Hitler but he hated Hitler he needed Hitler to hold him up because Hitler was holding his hate up because without his hate he didn't exist he'd have no reason to live unless he had some hate he didn't have any reason to buy and sell unless the money held him up if you took the money away from him you took the hate away from him he'd be gone so how do you how do you how do you communicate your whole group of people you stand up and you take the worst fear several threes and say there now I've got your fear now I've got your fear and your fear is your power and your powers your control I'm your king of this whole planet I'm gonna rule this whole world through a [ __ ] I want my trees put back I want my water clean I want my atmosphere cleaned up what you do beyond that I don't care what church you go to or what race you are what color you are what move the Gumbel I better clear all that all that nickel-and-dime personal important trash head stuff I don't care about that all I care about is my air my water my trees and my wildlife and humans if you don't get in line with that if I because I got biology and I got chemistry and I got things beyond the nuclear mine I won't blow it up i checkmated that I got all the bombs over here in the corner I said no I'm not blowing it up now the next step of dealing with you suicidal maniacs that won't get up off my life my hair my water my trees my life my fish you see I live on the earth God gave me a life on that earth and I lived there and everybody that's taken my life off the earth is taking yours off the earth also is taking your your because you don't have any more right than I do I don't care whether you're black whether you're green if I don't have any rights then you don't have any rights and what you do to me will be done to you Charlie people have said that you have powers that you can make people do what you want them to do sure sure that's true why certainly how so by making him do what I want him to do how do you do it these two guys here with that stick he has power with that stick to make me do what what he tells me to do what's your stick I've been under that stick 43 years how do you make people do what you want I just turn neck around and give it back to you what you put on me with that I just take that and throw it back at you are you saying that you used violence to make people do what you wanted them to do I don't I don't deal in violence I'm not a violent person my mark my records been I've been on record all my life's been on record and I'm not violent I learnt it whatever you put out you get back and I don't like to be hurt so I'm not gonna hurt anyone all this stuff about Charles Manson the Guru the person that people follow his rap true sure why why did they follow because I'm in the soul I'm in the fists what does that mean the fists the family of the infinite soul the eyes are the windows of the soul when I show you something once you know it's there you've seen it it's in your soul it becomes a part of you do you still have people who write to you who visit you if they can who follow you every the whole Rose following me there's no place else they can go what do you find them places to run and I'm following the next guy in front of me everybody's following someone do you believe that you have powers to know more than any other man no more than any other man oh well I all men have powers some people know it some people don't some people understand the power they have and other people don't understand what is it about you that made all these young people come to you that made them follow you the music just the music sing like that yeah can't put you on center huh well it's loud yeah I sing loud I see real loud it grabs your attention it does it does it kind of reaches in there and breaks all the pattern in your brain see you your music is is Barry Manilow and all of them who puff up and they sing it's a little girls for for a dollar and a quarter I'm singing up for God rules I'm singing up in the top echelon so the music have you always been like that no no no I get I've become I started a rebirth movement in 67 everybody else told it Carter stole it everybody said oh this is us they like me I'm saying oh that's us we represent that you know I'm important on that and maybe and did not want to make their little decision then they'll say let me get in there because everybody wants in their first you know that goes do you ever think about Sharon Tate and the people that were killed that night no not that much you but everybody said oh this is us they like me I'm safe oh this is us we represent that you know I'm important on that maybe and then they want to make their little decision then they'll say let me get in there because everybody wants in there first you know how that goes do you ever think about Sharon Tate and the people that were killed that night no I'm not that much why should I a lot of people be killed people get killed all over the world every day do you feel any responsibility for what happened that night no you feel no remorse for what happened that night how am I gonna feel remorse what am I supposed to feel remorse about everyone says you feel no remorse I said can't you understand I'm not guilty of anything and they said while you're supposed to feel remorse I'm supposed to feel remorse because you don't understand because you're twisted in your brain you know in other words someone comes in and says you were in New York City last night you should know I wouldn't listen well don't you feel bad about you should feel bad about what said people happen in New York man I wasn't in New York City I wasn't there I was in San Diego in bed with some fraud I met in Big Sur I didn't have no family on a motorcycle a sleeping bag and a guitar guy just got out of the penitentiary I hadn't been out of jail long enough to two words they said why you got our kids to do this not guys you had your kids to do that your kids were doing that before I got out of the penitentiary I just got out of jail can't you understand that you know you tell the people something and they've got their minds made up a certain way you dig what I'm saying and you tell them something they just don't like what am I supposed to feel remorse about do you feel remorse that every day of my life you've tormented me with these idiots that you got holding me down that you beat me and knocked my job you forced me medication you've drugged me you've drugged me up that hallway you set my head on every chopping block in the state of California you've poisoned me you've done everything that keep blood for months and days man you've done everything you could do to get me killed and then you turn around and ask me do I have any remorse if I had the right to do to you what you've been doing to me then that gives me the right to do anything I want to anyone I want to do it to can you see now well you better give me my rights because as you're doing this to me you're doing this to all these children and they're all these cells and they're growing up just like you're raising them up with no rights and even the guys in the uniforms are looking at it and sin what am I doing this for why am i cheating this guy he's got no money why don't I go to Hill and take the money away you know I give if you give DuPont the same right you give me you can put DuPont in the cell and take everything he's got take these children rape his women drag him up and down the highway everything's okay when it comes to doing it to Charlie and Charlie's been carrying it and Charlie knows in the background that when the wave comes in the wave goes out and each time the way it comes in the wave goes out and you're all going to get your reflection in the mirror that you put in this child here and it's got nothing to do with me helping you because I I'm gone from you people man I'm out in the desert I'm doing what I'm doing the only people I would be helping I'll help squeaky and I put my life up to protect her even though I know she's the devil a young blue-eyed help dream and I'd help yellow and I would help all the girls they got busted with me because they know me in the father of this all the guys in my father's house there are many mansions if it were not true I would not have told you so and it's just as true then as it is true now as it will be true forever and ever and ever I don't care what the Christians say Jesus Christ is a reality so you feel loyalty to certain people people who you feel have stood by you sure the people that tell me the truth I'm bond to tell them the truth back the people that have treated me right I am bond to treat them right back the people that have not treated me right the Holy Ghost will deal with that bodies they squeaky Fromme is the devil because all women are they have to be to survive men aren't sure man aren't you sure we we we have both we hope both balances women are worse I would say yeah I would say well well if you get mama lion is very vicious the Queen of England has never lost a war woman is his woman has the power woman sends these guys to work everyday woman puts it on the road she has the will plus the supermarket I have the reality of numbers and I have the fishing pole I have other things but see the games that you guys play with your woman and man think we don't play that man woman thing you know you guys are all hung up to them soap operas they're killing themselves over crazy things that really you know it doesn't it doesn't mean anything when you peak the peak and you've touched the ultimate then you walk with the ultimate in your souls forever man you know you can't put a personality on that you can't say well now pronounce you man and wife you know and all that thing that was somewhere else because the rebirth movement that I started don't go back and pick up the same old [ __ ] excuse my French you do go back and pick up the same old trash can you start all over and starting all over means starting all over and when you start all over it's a constant rebirth thing it's not going back to Sunday school or we're swagger or Baker or the Pope and the Rope so that's all dead that's all old game that's all graveyard game you know that Jesus was a reality he died so I could live I'm not gonna miss out on that I'm getting up on that train too that doesn't mean that I live by a bunch of foolish rules that a bunch of old people are left by old people that let by old people that because let me run something to you wait took Jesus Christ 2,000 years to do and thought inward indeed you can do now with television in two or three months you see what I'm saying and what the Constitution and the people that founded this country in 1776 did you know like the government's got nine Supreme Court justices for 20 million people and in the 1800s man you got two hundred fifty million people that's like a fat woman five hundred pounds trying to get into a size ten dress the government's not working the system is not working and they won't admit they think building more prisons is going to as a solution building more prisons just add more confusion to the problem that's already a hand you know Charlie what would you do if you wanted to is there anything at all that you would change about your life yeah I would have planted some other trees I'm uh I'm just as stupid as anybody else I'm gonna smarter than anybody I'm not better than anybody but nobody's better than me you know you could ask that question to yourself I guess you know I don't I don't have any any regrets I don't you know it's foolish to regret and think about something that it doesn't change nothing you know you can't change anything anyway I mean how are you gonna change yesterday yesterday's gone you let it go man you don't hang on to it and drag it down the road in the sack you know that's part of changing the lifestyle what about hauser skelter that's the district attorney's illusion that's his trick that's a reflection of his fear his sex paranoia all the games did but he won that reality for you guys when he said I verse the people versus the people that he represented he won helter skelter as a reality for those people but that's got nothing to do with me now the skelter was a nightclub in the desert it's where I run a poker game and I shoot dice and then make money now right around and do buggies it's funny they say you're going to the desert I said I was going to the desert that's it Ellie's in the middle of the desert what's wrong with you dummy you see you're going to the death how can I be going to well I'm gonna conspiracy to go to where I'm standing you know it doesn't make any sense man I mean it makes sense to you people help the skelter is this simple this confusion that's been happening let me run something to you you go to jail the music's going down up down up down you go to jail and stops you're in jail 10 or 15 years you get back out in this one [Music] then you go to jail again and everything stops you get back out go to jail again you come back on everybody say wow people are going crazy out there man your minds I don't know how your brains can keep up with all that you know gee where's man you know so it's the same thing with your dancing and and your walking back and forwards and your living of your every ordinary life and I see why your children are all committing suicide and going crazy man because of chief how you you know because you're running in a crazy world you got a crazy life going on out there you know so you asked me if I want to get back out and that I hadn't been able to the penitentiary yet I've been 18 years trying to get to jail I was in a penitentiary and I got out and I come back and I have been able to find the penitentiary get you know the penitentiary seems to have gone they moved it somewhere and it's another thing isn't it funny that while you would get Amnesty International to take millions of dollars from the United States to help prisoners out of jail in other countries when you got political prisoners right here in the United States that you're overlooking that you won't accept you got people all over this country that are in here for political reasons but you want to make his criminals and crimes see we're all crows

Channel: Storyboard Film Studio

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Keywords: charles, manson, atwa, san, quentin, penny, daniels, interview, complete, full, length, bbc, channel, history, a\u0026e, superstar, documentary, original, answer, question, epic, killers, serial, animals, water, trees, air, good, sandra, atkins, susan, fromme, lynette, ranch, spahn, skelter, helter, radio, kalx, vacaville

Id: CNPW0WHIAvo

Length: 55min 50sec (3350 seconds)

Published: Wed Jan 16 2019