CBS News: Indiana Primary Coverage, May 7, 1968

good evening once again this is Julian Barbour with the latest returns in the District of Columbia primary Bobby Kennedy is winning a complete victory here he apparently will have all 23 votes at the Democratic National Convention forces supporting senator Kennedy are leading in the fight for delegates by a margin of about 9 to 5 they also are winning control of the local Democratic Central Committee the battle for control of the DC Republican Committee the supporters of the present chairman Karl Shipley apparently are going to stay in charge you can see here that Gilbert on the Shipley candidate for chairman is well ahead of the Challenger Phillip Marino and Shipley himself seeking to oust Karina Becker Louis Brune enger' from the job of national committeeman also is well ahead in the voting for the Republican Committee itself where 74 members are to be elected the Shipley slate is leading that's the story at this hour forces of Senator Robert Kennedy winning a complete victory a sweep in the DC primary convent Democratic National Committee month Reverend he Franklin Jackson apparently apparently is on the road to defeat Kennedy is going to win it appears all 23 delegate votes at the Democratic National Convention Tilford Dudley the former chairman here apparently also is going down to defeat he was not running for re-election as chairman he was seeking a position on the committee so it seems that the old guard if we may call them that in the Democratic Party are going to be defeated the Kennedy broom is sweeping clean stay tuned now for a special CBS news report from Indiana we'll be back at 10:30 what's your favorite kind of cleaning cloth an old undershirt Terry Puhl diapers now forget about all of them the new instead tell from the Scott Paper Company new beaver like no paper towel you've ever used it so thick and cushiony you reach renew Bieber instead of a dusting cloth so so campaign 68 the Indiana primary with CBS News correspondent Walter Cronkite the second part will be the Forgotten American with CBS News correspondent Joseph banty this evenings news hour is brought to you by GAF the people who make cameras film projectors copying machines building supplies chemicals stereo viewers and a lot more good evening Senator Robert Kennedy has won the first primary test in his attempt to secure the Democratic nomination for the presidency but some 38 percent of the ballots counted in Indiana's primary today senator Kennedy has 41 percent of the vote 136 thousand votes Governor Roger Brannigan running as a favorite son 29 percent or ninety seven thousand votes and senator Eugene McCarthy in his fifth the primary test 30 percent of the votes or something over 100 thousand CBS News estimate of the final result based on our sample precincts shows Kennedy winning with 43 percent of the vote Brannigan and McCarthy just about splitting the remainder of the votes Brannigan perhaps a hair ahead with 29% and McCarthy 28% of the votes on the Republican side Richard Nixon was not opposed and right hands are not permitted in Indiana he has some 209,000 is coming up to two hundred and ten thousand votes for 38% of the vote counted and looks like he's going on toward a record number of Republican votes in this primary vice president Humphrey was not on the Democratic side of the ballot governor Brannigan originally was a stand-in for President to Johnson but when President Johnson dropped out of the race Brannigan stayed in as a favorite son to hold on to Indiana 63 delegate votes at the Democratic and in Chicago he did not declare as a stand-in for Hubert Humphrey however many of the prominent Democrats in Indiana who supported the Branigan including organized labor in many areas also supported Brannigan and they are supporters of Hubert Humphrey let's check in now with our correspondents who have been traveling with the candidates during this Indiana campaign Roger Mudd at Kennedy headquarters in Indianapolis how did Kennedy do compared to his expectations well not as not as well as his expectations he had hoped I think out of this three-man race to leave Indiana with a 50% morality he didn't get that but he did succeed in knocking a couple of notches in to gene McCarthy this victory here has given him momentum to move on to Nebraska the South Dakota Oregon and California primary so I suppose under the circumstances a three-way race and a state basically conservative he is more than pleased with the results they would chew measure at the McCarthy headquarters of those Senator McCarthy figure that he was defeated by Kennedy tonight I wouldn't say that Eugene McCarthy was hoping for 25 percent of the vote he's done better than that although anything less than 33 percent is going to make it difficult for him to raise money Siddhant Lee Walter you know this has been dubbed by McCarthy's young supporters the magical mystery tour and his young supporters here are still hoping there will be one more bit of magic John Hart's outside of the Democratic state headquarters in Indianapolis John what about Governor Brannigan how does he look on this result tonight compared to expectations well well her to be easier to answer that if governor Brannigan were here he's in Chicago at the moment to making his speech that's the kind of campaign he's been running he did say today that he was going when he did not it's been a comfortable campaign and he wanted to be the Hoosier leading the Hoosiers to Chicago he's not going to be Roger what were the issues on which Kennedy won well I I couldn't name them really because I don't think there were any great issues mostly it was personality charisma if you like or that the Kennedy Magic listening to him last night on the television you would have thought that Kennedy was a states rights candidate returned the government to the people and abolished welfare and replace it with jobs incidentally as John and they were talking the table full of Kennedy spokesman just called the results tonight here an impressive victory for the senator that's their latest word David McCarthy is key issue he had the teeth kind of pulled from it didn't he with the Vietnam peace move well what did he campaign on all of that was his first issue and I think we've got to say that Eugene McCarthy does not make things easy for himself first the war when it was unpopular now he said about an examination of the whole processes of politics and governments and that was particularly tough in the state of Indiana john hart governor Brannigan had a little problem not being a really serious candidate for the presidency on this issues thing what was the basis of his campaign well aside from the provincial appeal while he really was sort of a chummy down at the courthouse kind of campaign he depended on this organization which is one of the last in the United States to retain a large patronage system he also had a big help from the Indianapolis Star which favored him and their coverage and put front page cartoons of the other candidates written in acid he he appeared to want to go to Chicago with a chances of getting a better deal for Indiana politicians in the party going to the Chicago Convention after a speech tonight that it that's right Roger just one more thing did be charged that that Senator Kennedy was spending vast amounts of money in Indiana that really hurt him well I don't I guess it didn't I think probably further decreased his standing with those who were gonna vote against him anyhow obviously it didn't cut into him deeply here but neither did his response when asked to reveal as expenditure dispel the idea around the country among the anti Kennedy people that tell when a Kennedy runs he does spend vast sums of money and his refusal to release the statistics has tightened that impression thank you gentlemen we'll be back in a moment with more on campaign 68 the Indiana primary these are uber white vinyl floors they look so beautiful because they look so real they look so real because we make them a different way with a process called Gro viewer that reproduces a brick floor that looks like brick a flagstone floor that looks like flagstone in fact we could make an authentic looking vinyl floor out of anything that can be photographed anything GA approve erode the very authentic vinyl floors the GAF and schematic super a movie camera has things maybe you don't need as a six to one zoo plans foodies that it has instant slow motion who needs that and it has automatic exposure control mantle needs that the instant loading gif pen schematic has a lot of things that are necessary just nice the people at GAF make cameras film building supplies chemicals copying machines and a lot more a forty percent of the vote in Eugene McCarthy has some thirty percent of that vote in Indiana and CBS News estimate is he'll end up with twenty eight percent David Shumacher has been covering his campaign and is with him right now in Indianapolis David I see yeah I can see it my monitor here that David Schumer and Senator McCarthy have just come in today who are room at the Karthi headquarters there in Indianapolis and as soon as David gets his microphone connected around his neck there I suppose we can go ahead David are you prepared I'm here let's say McCarthy looking at these returns now what do they mean both in Indiana and to the future of Eugene McCarthy oh I don't know what they mean to Indiana I mean to be the other delegation I assume but Chicago will be pleased Senator Kennedy on the first ballot I don't know what they meet in terms of my future I think we're doing very well here interesting to see just one of the returns came from where my votes came from they established what we've been establishing and all the other primaries that I can get votes the no other Democratic candidate can get I expect the results here both in terms of the percentage and also in the source of the votes would probably show me as the recent polls have shown me to be the strongest potential Democratic candidate for next November senator well when Robert Kennedy first entered this race I recall asking you whether you could handle the Kennedy moderate money and glamour and charisma what's your answer to that question now well I don't know it was that had been always have been involved here I think the results would have been somewhat different in addition to running against Senator Kennedy I would have the governor who was in it and I think that some of the votes that went to him would probably have been mine plus the strength of the national labor organizations which are in here asking people to vote for the governor as a stand-in for Senator Humphrey so that in some ways I suppose the results are inconclusive for everyone they'll take some interpretation but it was said I'd get 20% probably 19% it looks as though I'll get approximately 30% which is 50% better under these circumstances I think we made a good showing you think that governor Brannigan clouded the results by his entry will will the situation be much different in Nebraska I'm thinking particularly in terms of a debate with Senator Kennedy which he did not agree to here well he won't have quite the same excuse in Nebraska that he had here and that as far as I know there be only two of us entered and I hope I hope that he would debate here either with me alone or with the governor I think that would have helped the kind of confrontation in which people could have made a choice between us and I'm hopeful in Nebraska without the third candidate that we may have one or two direct appearances so that people will have a real basis for comparison well now senator it is often said by reporters that there's no difference in issues between yourself and Senator Kennedy once you even call it a horse show I recall does that have a really use to this well there are some differences even in a horse show you know questions of style and kind of projection to what the horse might really do if you put them to work and I think there are enough differences so that people have some basis for a choice if we can give them a chance to make the comparisons and I hope we can do that in Nebraska and Oregon and also in California I don't know whether you out there you and Senator McCarthy have had the results of the District of Columbia primary tonight there Senator McCarthy was not entered but there were two slates pledged to Hubert Humphrey and one to Kennedy there and on the basis of the returns we have up at this time senator Kennedy is leading with 60% of the vote Hubert Humphrey slate splitting the other 40% I wonder if some of McCarthy how that looks to you Kennedy has picked up two primaries tonight it looks as if doesn't that give him the quite a lot of momentum for the primaries ahead of Nebraska next week and so on well I don't know Walter how many do I have now you counted them lately anywhere there why don't you give it four plus I won the college poll so it was a CBI leading by five the results here showed he didn't didn't really get a majority of the of the delegates or of the votes at least so that I don't see this as any very serious setback to my campaign at all while they're in the few seconds remaining I one thing had occurred to me in watching Senator McCarthy's campaign for so many months he'd said it had been based on student power and and poet power at one point and more recently on harpsichord power think you're basing your campaign on the wrong things perhaps no I don't think so as I look at the results in this election as I expect they'll show because they have showed in the other primaries who are in areas where I didn't do as well as I might have done and generally shows that the votes that go to my opponents or votes that would go to almost any Democrat in a general election the primaries are not simply matters of piling up delegates not at this stage but rather demonstrating what's your strength is is one who can win in November and I think that the party leaders who come to Chicago and I think maybe even some commentators a little later when they get done with the numbers game we'll take a look at that and this would be the judgment to be made in Chicago and it seems to me that as things are building up that unless the party is sure of victory next August why I'll probably still be the front-runner as I now am Senator McCarthy there is no question in your mind then but that in a race with a Republican that you're the strongest candidate the Democrats could I think that's the way it stands now it may be the vice president can come on and show some strength but I think that's that's what the polls tend to show and that's certainly what the results of the primaries may have to look at this Indiana one a little more carefully tomorrow but that's what they have been showing and I see no reason for any change senator we'll be watching for the Nebraska returns now week from tonight when you go to that primary and on them to Oregon California thank you very much senator mccarthy roger mudd is right across the street over there with Senator Robert Kennedy Roger senator we were just watching uh Senator McCarthy on the monitor claiming that he is still the front-runner after tonight's results - what's your opinion of that claim I happen to be very pleased about what happened here in Indiana and I'm very pleased about what happened in the District of Columbia but I'd be less than candid if I didn't say that's a long time until August but I I came here into the state of Indiana against toil of the advice of every political leader in the state of Indiana I ran against a an incumbent governor was very popular with a very strong political operation here in the state of Indiana which everybody generally felt couldn't be defeated and and the polls showed that Senator McCarthy was running ahead of me amongst Democrats in the country and and then the polls on the various networks and in the news magazine said that I was going to do a good deal worse here in the state of Indiana than evidently I haves I'm I'm pleased I think it's better to do win then become second or third myself well now some of your speech and as I say I think to do also well against a Hubert Humphrey in the District of Columbia when almost 2 to 1 there is a bright spot but as I say I think it's a long time between now and August uh within an hour some of your spokesman said this was an impressive area I thought you had to come out of Indiana with 50% to call it impressive is that not accurate I know I had never heard that well I've seen it printed and not specifically I don't know how denied by the Kennedy yesterday oh wow you're satisfied with this result tonight yeah I never heard that I think that all of the predictions that were made at the time I came into this campaign before I even began the campaign was that I would be very lucky to I mean the great struggle was between Sen McCarthy myself but Roger Brannigan the governor favorite son was expected to win I don't think anybody expected that I would do as well really as as as the vote showed that we did here Oh what did when I take also the fact that the vote showed that too carried every major city in the state and did well amongst all groups within the state I think promising as I say I temper it by the fact that it's a long time between now and and and August didn't like Chicago Convention but to come in here under these circumstances against the advice the political leaders and and with all all the pollsters for instance on NBC said they're just two nights ago that I wasn't going to get 37 or 38 percent to be able to do this well it's very encouraging well what do the results tonight tell you about yourself as a politician I'm sure you must have been aware that the anti Kennedy feeling was was strong at least it measured by public opinion do you feel more confident about your own abilities yeah I think there's not a lot of talk about that didn't certain circles and anti Bobby certain parts of the United States but I was treated very very warmly in the state and as I say the governor won the state just to go by 240 of 250,000 and to be able to defeat him have the indianapolis star here in indiana virtually cut me off completely as far as any clea news coverage and also under the circumstances it's very very encouraging I have until we get to the Chicago we're not going to know but I'm going to take my candidacy to the people I've gone to the small towns and I've gone to the cities and I'm going to go to all racial groups I think we have major problems within our own country and I'm hopeful that perhaps that I can do something about it and the fact there is that my candidacy had the support of those who formerly were antagonistic toward one another for instance up in Lake County Indiana of both groups it has to be very very encouraging walter and roger mudd this is David shoemaker with Eugene McCarthy just a block from you there's been a difficulty of course and staging any kind of a debate I wonder at this time if we could ask both men if they're willing to meet in the Nebraska primary and hold a confrontation of some sort of joint appearance I don't know that seems you're talking to me right sir we'll ask you first well I don't know you ought to raise that question here tonight I of course have said that I was willing even in Indiana and I said I would in Nebraska but it's you know have already quite finished adding things up for tonight I'm willing yes yes I've always said that I'm willing I think that device president Humphrey is a candidate and I would hope that he would enter this effort as well as Senator McCarthy knows vice-president Humphries has made statements in his backers and support is a made statements that he's the front-runner Senator McCarthy feels that he's the front-runner I'm not making any predictions about where I am because I think that the only way I can do well it's obviously take my candidacy to the people and do well and the campaign with people but uh I I think it'd be very helpful to send them for vice president Humphrey he can become actively involved in taking his campaign to the people themselves because I saw looking people can pass on and I think this is something more than just political leaders and politicians I think that's it it has to have the support of the people themselves and I think that's what at least we're trying to do and I am squeezing one last question how much did the issue raised by the local press here and by McCarthy that you were mind trying to buy the election it cost you can you measure that no but I again I think that fact is that our expenditures were not out of line there were expenditures of about 550 or 600 thousand dollars which I think we're in general line with the other campaign secondly where the expenditures go is the television and we would all cut down and Senator McCarthy would admit and agree I'm sure all of us would cut down 80 percent of our expenditures if television wasn't so expensive the television would make all of this time available to all of us as a public service then there wouldn't be any great expense in a political campaign and at least to make it available at cost would seem to be a major step by the television networks and the television stations instead of in a political campaign to have the idea of making a profit for my political campaign I think that they should make the time available for free but if they're not willing to do that at least to make it for cost because I think that that would be tremendously helpful senator Kennedy we're gonna have to ask for equal time on our own ere you continue at this pace yeah but don't you think a wallet there's been so much talk about that that if we just start to analyze it and look at it ourselves that's where the money goes and that the money goes in advertising newspapers and the to media who are critical about campaign expenditures or newspapers and television yet they speak no words about their own role in it and I think if it is slightly hypocritical it would be interesting for instance how much the network's have made from this political campaign how much money they'd taken in on I'm not getting any of it I don't think the networks are doing very well on this one but but I just thought that we gonna we gonna talk about it that I have traveled all over the state and have active to all sections of the state and appeared in all sections of the state in small towns and large cities and tried to do the best that I could as I say I had difficulty here with the Indianapolis Star and the afternoon paper because they virtually blanketed me so we have to turn to television if television would cooperate and make this time available of course would make a major difference and the expenses in a campaign would be changed dramatically so I would hope that you would take that up with everybody as long as we're talking about I'm glad that you asked me the question though if you're glad well no I'm getting nervous Asuma Senator McCarthy would endorse that position well I just say that I never really accused senator Kennedy you buying the election here Roger there may have been some who did but I didn't do that there the other point is we could appear together on television we could save half the money anyway for worried about time and money I know he could get vice-president Humphrey don't need three you ready we don't need three let it go - well thank you very much gentlemen neat house Walter hey pardon you really didn't need us in this interview yes we do we always made you Roger Thank You senator Kennedy one denied in the northern state which it might be might have been expected to be most hostile towards a matter of fact Indiana has a strong tradition as you probably know of conservatism there the American Legion has its national headquarters the Ku Klux Klan was powerful in the 1920s and not the draw any comparison between those two organizations of course the John Birch Society was formed in Indiana in the fifties and all indicating the strong conservative trends at any rate in 1960 Atta Catholicism by all of the polls contributed to a crushing defeat for John Kennedy there in 1964 Alabama's George Alice won 30 percent of the Democratic primary in Indiana in addition Kennedy faced that powerful old line democratic patronage machine you know it's been said of Hoosier politics that practice is regarded as corrupt elsewhere have been accepted unquestioned in Indiana for years even written into the law a percentage returned from from state employees to their parties for instance on each County the local party leader as well as set up as a director of auto and driver licensing and part of that fee goes directly into the parties not the state's coffers the governor in the state organization controlled more than 8,000 patronage jobs each of those job holders this time was asked to contribute in the Branigan campaign and was reported that one who refused was fired organized labor also has been a big factor in recent years and Hoosier politics especially for the Democrats the State afl-cio Board decided to stay in neutral in this primary race at the big Indianapolis afl-cio many locals came out for Brannigan a strongly Pro Humphrey national labor leaders sent many key figures into the state to work for the governor leading to my remark a little earlier that the Brannigan supporters in many cases were identical to the Humphrey supporters in in Indiana about the only large union which held back was the United Auto Workers which does lean to Kennedy in a moment we're going to take another look at the Indiana returns and what they mean why was this house painted with brilliant colored stripes to prove the amazing one coat covering power of Sherwin Williams new cam one coat White House paint other 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percent of the votes one hundred and sixteen are going on for one hundred and seventeen thousand CBS News estimate of the final result based on our sample precincts Senator Kennedy will get forty three percent of the vote governor Brannigan twenty nine percent and Senator McCarthy twenty eight percent well that's the vote Joseph Betty at our election analysis desk has been poring over those returns Joe what do you read in them a Walter senator Kennedy strongest showing was in the big cities and among Negro voters in almost exact proportion that was where senator mccarthy was weakest the senator from minnesota for example got only one and a half of every ten Negro votes while senator Kennedy was getting six of every ten Kennedy's poorest showing was in the small cities and towns in the rural areas especially in the southern section of the state it was in those areas that Governor Roger Brannigan had most of his support in fact Brannigan held an edge over both Kennedy and McCarthy only among farmers and in the southern part of the state senator McCarthy's best showing came in areas where he probably least expected it among working men in sections of the state where there was a strong white backlash sentiment there and among white collar workers McCarthy did Ben Lee well too he ran ahead of McCarthy in most overall blue-collar districts and he fell only slightly behind in those blue-collar areas where there was white backlash sentiment of all the candidates tonight's returns probably will have the most meaning for Senator McCarthy once again as in Wisconsin the urban voters especially the Negroes proved to be McCarthy's Achilles he'll water on the Republican side of the ballot in Indiana's primary today there's only one name that / former vice president Richard Nixon but 46 percent of the vote in he has 245 a thousand votes looks like he'll go on toward some 1/2 million votes which would be about 25% better than he did in the 1964 our 1960 primary when he was virtually unopposed also in Indiana there were no no opposition no writings permitted in Indiana and governor Rockefeller declared his candidacy too late to get on the indiana ballot what will get Eric's overrides views on this election in a moment watch this widely used spray cleaner on greasy dirt looks pretty good but see how fast it runs that can cause streaking and extra work that's why Ajax came up with a brand new idea for a spray cleaner specially made to help protect against streaking Ajax concentrates its power where the dirt is wiped and it comes clean so get Ajax spray cleaner specially formulated to help protect against streaking or similar to a dick I was cleaning here's what we use handy wipes tough all-purpose claws salt - chamois they wipe dust polish work a thousand ways Barba's for cleaning goody dirt handiwork spits out cleaner won't smear that dirt around our windows prove that great for polishing and they last and last less than a nickel each of machine washable nicest thing that's ever happened to house cleaning handy wipes Erick's override how to use obviously Richard Nixon and Robert Kennedy have every right to feel very good about tonight's results but certainly McCarthy doesn't have to feel too badly about it Kennedy has succeeded in firmly establishing himself now as a a front-runner in this first primary he's been in it's his first elective test in the Midwest State and perhaps the more significant fact is that he won so big in the big industrial cities and that's what makes him look fairly formidable tonight and this is not going to be lost on party leaders in the big industrialized non-primary states like Ohio Illinois or Michigan I would think in some Walter it would seem reasonable to say that Kennedy has not been slowed down McCarthy has not been stopped and there's always vice president Hubert Humphrey off in the wings but very potentially formidable indeed and that's the Indiana primary this is Walter Cronkite good night top-2 news campaign 68 the District of Columbia primary now here is Julian Barbour as Robert Kennedy Justice said in Indianapolis he views what he called his two-to-one victory in the District of Columbia as a bright spot and at this hour the backers of Bobby Kennedy appear to be winning a thorough victory here in the District of Columbia they would see a little doubt about that that means they'll control both the 23 votes of the Democratic National Convention and the local party central committee it would appear that Reverend E Franklin Jackson has gone down to defeat the Tilford Dudley has gone down to defeat Kennedy forces firmly in control standing by at this moment at the local Kennedy headquarters is Stephen gear with the head of the Kennedy slate the Reverend Channing Phillips

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