Cash or card – will COVID-19 kill cash? | DW Documentary

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What do you always carry with you: your smartphone, keys and some cash? Or keys, smartphone and credit card? Germans are increasingly split on this one. Cash was long king here, but more and more people are switching to credit and debit cards. In part, due to the coronavirus crisis. By card. Contactless! By card! I’m someone who prefers cash because it gives me a better idea of how much I’m spending. But COVID-19 has changed that. Now I pay with plastic. You have to ask yourself — why do people want to abolish cash? Some banks have turned their backs on cash completely. They don’t have any bricks-and-mortar branches or ATMs. Cashless payments are on the rise. But experts warn: we're paying with our data. Visa, Mastercard or Acxiom, Google, Facebook, Twitter interfaces — that’s surveillance capitalism. Cash is competing with electronic payment systems. Could it get knocked out of the ring? A former head of Interpol says it would be risky to abolish cash completely. What happens if the Russians, Putin or somebody switches off the system? We have no defense! The coronavirus pandemic has boosted cashless payments. Who’s profiting? And what price are we paying? A life without bills and coins.. What might that be like? In Scandinavia, it’s already a reality. I decide to take the ferry and a hire car — and go and find out. It seems safer to me than flying in the light of the coronavirus pandemic. In Denmark, Finland, Norway and here in Sweden, in particular, cash has practically become a thing of the past. The first thing that I do after arriving is to go in search of an ATM. In Sweden, that’s not so easy. They're few and far between. Then when I go to the newsagents to buy some water and peppermints, I’m told I have to pay by card. I’m going to meet Till, a German who has been living in Sweden for many years and who works at the university. He can’t quite remember the last time that he actually held a banknote in his hand. Social distancing has become a habit for me — but my attempts don’t really work here. At the moment, few people in Stockholm are wearing face masks either. We’re going to Till’s favorite bakery — which has everything— — apart from a cash till! What shall we buy? I’d recommend Bullar (boo-laah). They’re good here. What are they? They’re cinnamon buns made with cardamon. I can really recommend them. Lukas puts our pastries in a box and I get out my card to pay — because he hasn’t got a cash till. Lukas is surprised at my surprise. You use cash in Germany? Yes, we use in Cash in Germany still, yes — mainly cash! Why? Why?! Because people are used to it, I guess. And they trust it somehow... And not everyone has a credit card or debit card. In bakeries you typically cannot pay by card at all. Which is often really — I mean: for me living here — it‘s annoying going back to Germany, and then I am stuck and walk around five blocks to search an ATM. You can come in here with 500 Kronas and the money is not worth anything — you can have as much money as you like, but it‘s not worth anything in our store. Lukas says that having no cash in the store is much safer. I can be completely calm, that no one can take anything. If you want to steal our loaves — it‘s no problem, that‘s not worth that much. It‘s been good now in Corona times to have no cash! Do you feel safer? So you don‘t have to reach out and grab the cash? No, we can keep the distance at all times. At least when it comes to paying, people keep their distance. We take our pastries and go on our way. Till would like to buy some strawberries at the market. In Germany, paying by cash would be the only option. But Till does it the Swedish way. He just has his mobile phone with him — so he’s going to use a payments app called Swish. It's a much-used Swedish mobile payment system. It transfers the payment to the trader’s phone number or QR code. A pop-up graphic of a bursting bubble confirms it’s arrived. Ah! And then here you can ?: Ding! What’s the bubble for? It proves it’s not just a photo. That I’m actually sending him the money. I’m impressed. But it's not the quickest way to buy strawberries — it does take time. Yes, it does! Swedish banks and payment services have almost phased out cash completely. Most banks don’t provide cash anymore — it’s too much trouble. And paying with smartphone apps is booming especially among young people here. Transferring money from one mobile phone to another is as easy as sending a text message or an email. Here, money has become merely digital information. This also means that Swedish electronic payment systems can track most people’s financial transactions — Big Brother is watching you! Till can keep close tabs on his kids’ spending behavior. Of course, Till doesn’t give his two children their pocket money in cash — it’s all digital. The system gives him a good idea of what his son Miles is buying with his allowance. I can see every transaction and the stores that he's visited, plus the times of purchase and the sums he spends. And do you see how much money you have? I don’t know, but dad does. He can see how much money I have. Do you kind of sense if you have money left over? I know that I have some money left. But when I buy something for more than 20 krona, I kind of get the feeling that I shouldn’t be doing that... Yes, that’s quite good. I saw that you stayed under 20 most of the time in June. But you went shopping pretty regularly I don’t know if you can see that. Really, every purchase is listed. Till‘s daughter Lou only pays by card and, occasionally, uses a mobile app. So your dad can see what money you are transferring, or what you buy? I think he can see where I shop, but not what I buy with the bank card. And that doesn’t bother you? Not at the moment. But in a couple of years? I realize my cash isn't much use here in Sweden. I wonder if I’ll even be able to spend the krona that I withdrew. But then I come across a little Thai eating place in the countryside where the owner is kind enough to let me pay with real money. Is Sweden the shape of things to come? A future in which cash is a thing of the past — and every payment for everything we buy can be traced and tracked? In Germany, things are changing dramatically. Since the emergence of the coronavirus the number of people paying by card has increased by 26 percent. Is Germany following Sweden’s lead? I want to ask Marion Labouré, a Harvard lecturer and research analyst at Deutsche Bank. The French economist has conducted a study recently on the subject. Do we have to say goodbye to cash? It’s not the end of cash yet. But what we have noticed since the beginning of this year, and especially since the start of the corona crisis. The amount of cash in circulation has definitely increased because it's considered at safe in terms of holding its value. However, if we consider cash as a means of payment, it has definitely decreased. Fewer and fewer people are paying by cash. In December, thirty percent of people made contactless payments in Germany. And today, it’s almost 50 Percent. Many Germans are abandoning cash and switching to card payments because of the coronavirus. Other countries have gone even further. South Korea and China decided to quarantine and even destroy bank notes and just one more example is the US: The Fed decided to quarantine banknotes coming from Asia to make sure they were safe. Is this reasonable? The risk is very low. But they felt it was necessary. Personal view, how do you pay? I pay everything by contactless. And this is the same in Germany, actually. I must admit that I don‘t have any cash on me — I am a cashless person. Putting cash into quarantine, burning banknotes, going cash-free. It all sounds a little crazy to me. Is the virus changing our behavior? Since the spread of Covid, I’ve got used to paying by card. I used to always have cash on me. During the pandemic it’s recommended we pay by card. You’re at greater risk of catching Covid, if you use cash. But is that really true? In Berlin I’m going to meet one of Germany’s top money men: The executive board member of the Bundesbank responsible for cash management. I want to ask Johannes Beermann whether bills or coins can spread Covid-19 and whether Germany is likely to go cash-free any time soon. Many people are afraid that cash could carry the coronavirus — and see it as risky. What do you think? Is there research on this? I would say that's been sufficiently disproven. If you look at the bank notes, like the five-euro or ten-euro bills here — which are in particularly heavy circulation, they have a special coating. We know from research that bills and coins don’t play any role in the spread of infections. Banks stopped issuing 500-euro bills last year. Critics called them impractical. They were also linked to corruption and money laundering. Is that the crux of the matter? There's an initiative called Better than Cash that’s calling for cash to be abolished. They say slush funds are a problem, dirty money, money laundering, big sums that aren’t declared to the tax authorities or the state? Of course, we have to combat money laundering, tax evasion and the financing of terrorism and I think cash has to be monitored as should other payment methods. We have to ensure that. But I don’t think that this will vanquish the underground economy. I ask Beermann if cash has seen its day — he says he doesn't believe that cash is about to be replaced by cards or mobile apps any time soon. It's estimated that the German state loses up to 10 billion euros in tax revenue each year as a result of cash-in-hand payments. One particular problem: the high cash turnover in the restaurant business. Berlin’s finance senator complained in 2019 that up to 80 percent of revenue in this sector was not declared to the tax authorities. With her organic produce and great location Sibel doesn’t need to resort to low wages, cut-throat prices and cash-in- hand payments. But she knows these practices aren’t uncommon in her trade. It goes like this: I employ you to work on a 400-euro a month basis — with zero tax or insurance deductions. In theory, you should work 40 hours a month? for 10 euros an hour. But, in actual fact, you work 40 hours a week and get paid 400 euros A WEEK cash in hand. But you're only registered as having a 400 euro job with the authorities. So the state loses out? Yes. And I buy my French fries at a budget supermarket and I don’t declare that either. How do you mean? Well, I buy them, but I don’t submit the receipt as an expense. I throw it away. So the tax office can’t estimate what you might have earned. That’s right. They don’t know what amount of French fries I’m selling. Electronic cash tills, mandatory receipts and other types of monitoring are helping to eliminate such practices. Sibel pays her employees more than the minimum wage and it’s all above board. And fewer and fewer of her customers are paying in cash. While just a year ago, only one in ten payments were by card, now it’s almost one in three. She welcomes the development. Cashless payments are a real boon for us. There aren’t any disadvantages. We don’t have to gather up the cash and take it to the bank every evening. That’s become far too dangerous. You can’t give anyone the wrong change. We’re glad when people pay by card, to be honest. Whenever I pay by card, I leave digital footprints — for every beer and bag of French fries that I buy. But who's interested in this information and why — and what repercussions does that have on our everyday lives? Vienna’s University of Economics and Business is the largest university of its kind in Europe. For many years, Professor Sarah Spiekermann has been researching how our financial data trails are observed and analyzed. She says credit card information and data from electronic payments are feeding an industry of data brokers. We know that credit card companies pass on this data. In the meantime, they can observe everyone in real time via all the digital media that they use to create large-scale profiles. It’s almost become normal to have 30 to 40 thousand pieces of data on each person. And with this high-resolution history, they know what you do, the routes you take, what you buy, what you pay for, where you go on vacation, how much you pay. They know it all. ...how much alcohol you drink? ...How much alcohol you drink? You can calculate those kinds of things, too, and sell that information to the highest bidder. We've analyzed, for example, how Oracle Blue Kai has described collecting 30,000 user attributes from 200 data vendors which would allow them to create the profiles of 700 million people. That’s probably the entire western world... ...The entire western world. And if we look to see who’s providing that data: Visa, Mastercard or Acxiom, Google, Facebook, Twitter interfaces. That’s surveillance capitalism. Surveillance capitalism involves hundreds and thousands of companies with data exchange agreements working together behind the scenes. As a result, data about our payment behavior is increasingly determining our everyday lives. Without seeing or comprehending what is going on, we can feel the effects — not just when we are shopping. Ordinary people, people who are quite similar to each other, might find themselves paying different prices for flights, hotels, all kinds of things. Or they might be refused insurance, or passed over for a job offer. They might find all those negative things happening to them, and put it down to bad luck or fate. When in reality, it's the result of databases making some sort of prediction about them. And people behind the scenes are earning money to create these profiles of people. It’s disgraceful. Payment technologies are developing rapidly. While we feel that we are at the cutting edge here in Europe, if we pay by smartphone app, in China, Chinese and US companies are testing “smile to pay” facial recognition technology. A facial scan lets you to enter a store and pay for goods. AI can recognize the person and their credit rating. But it can do more — also detect emotions and social affiliations. It can also tell whether someone is under stress or might be coming down with something. If I pay with a smile and I start to connect smiling to economic transactions, then this habit will also leave its imprint in my real world. I don't think we really want those kinds of associations to develop. Our society and social interactions would become subtly commercialized. Spiekermann would like cash to be retained, and not only for data protection reasons. Power can be rapidly knocked out, as can IT systems. It's a matter of security. We need a concrete backup. We still need cash — for security reasons! As paying becomes increasingly easy, contactless and — perhaps — more hygienic, we’re giving away more and more information about ourselves. I will probably never know exactly what companies know about me. Why are banks interested in what I buy — where and how much? I'm going to visit N26, an up-and-coming mobile bank, to find out. The Berlin-headquartered app-only bank is growing rapidly, but it's already faced a fine for breaching data protection laws as well as criticism from Germany’s financial regulators. China’s tech giant Tencent owns a big stake in N26. I’m meeting Georg Hauer, general manager for Germany, Austria and Switzerland, because I want to ask him whether "smile to pay" will be coming to us any time soon. At the moment, I can’t really see that smile to pay or other Chinese products will take hold in Germany. But other innovations will be introduced into the German market. It’s quite clear that cashless payments are on the rise. N26 prefers to let other banks do things like keep reserves of cash, provide face-to-face customer service and maintain brick-and-mortar branches. The fintech startup is a digital bank. The company would like us to use our mobile phones to manage our finances. You can see right off: How much did you spend on clothes shopping? How much did you spend on insurance this month or on eating out? What were your household expenses? Do customers feel that their spending behavior is influenced by this? When you pay electronically you can monitor more closely what you've spent than when you pay by cash. Say a month after you have spent 50 euros in a shop, you no longer know what you spent that money on. If you make an electronic payment, you know exactly what you bought last April. Data protection is important to the EU. Do you, as a bank, share that concern? We give the customers this data. It’s an automated process. That means that none of our employees see this data — it can only be accessed by our customers. Being able to manage your finances better sounds like an advantage. But does it really matter to me what I spent where last April? And I’m still worried about what happens to my data and who has access to it. A Berlin company called Barzahlen.de is taking a different approach. It offers a modern payment system that doesn’t leave behind data trails. The name might mean ‘pay by cash’, but it’s not as old school as it sounds. Rather, it’s a kind of digital-analogue hybrid. Not everyone who wants to pay by cash is tech averse. There's a big group of people who want to use cash in a digital context because they don’t want to reveal their personal data online. Cash has many advantages. It’s flexible and anonymous. I don’t need to own a card, I don’t need to be a customer somewhere. To me, a world without any cash, that would mean that Europe and Germany would be dependent on two big US credit card companies that control all our payment transactions. Do I really want that?! So how does barzahlen.de work? For example, it works via certain stores: It doesn’t matter if I want to pay for an online purchase. Or if I want to pay an official bill or receive money, for example... Or if I want to pay money into my bank account, or get money out of my account... I always receive an encrypted barcode that I use to get money or make a payment. The barcode stipulates how much money is paid in, or paid out. It doesn’t involve the transfer of any account or credit card data. And a fresh barcode is generated for each transaction. You just scan this barcode at the cash till and then the shop assistant will give you 50 euros, for example. In this case it’s a withdrawal from my checking account. But it could be a reimbursement for a returned pair of shoes that I bought online, or a credit from my electricity bill. I could also use it to make a payment — to pay for a parking ticket, for example. You can’t tell from the barcode what transaction I've made. The information isn’t passed on to third parties. Cash is a way of stopping everyone from knowing all our business. Even in cash-free Sweden there are a few people who want to keep bills and coins. Björn Eriksson opposes going completely cash-free. The former Interpol president is acquainted with the underground economy, cyber-attacks and money laundering — and still he’s battling for the retention of cash. I'm for cash as an option, not as a monopoly, which is a major difference. They would have a monopoly, I want to have a possibility. Some people can't deal with these modern digital systems. It's about one million people in my country and they are looked on as unprofitable. Just leave them. I don't like that type of society. What happens if the Russians, Putin or somebody switches off the system? We have no defense. How do you then defend yourself if you just have this card that doesn't function? Cash is a perfect option. And the third one, which attracts a lot of young people, is what they see in China and some other nations where you use these to control your citizens. Because if you have a system with card, you'll have a technology with cameras, you have a technology with artificial intelligence, you're really going to be checked. Young people don't like that. Eriksson also believes that it’s important for digital natives to have access to cash. And he is annoyed by the fact that the coronavirus seems to be being used as a pretext for the switch to a cashless society. But there is no proof whatsoever that cash is carrying that type of threat from Corona. It's easier for me with businesspeople saying we dislike cash because we earn more money on cards. It's a good, solid argument I could respect. But these type of arguments for me are not particularly impressive. Eriksson tells me Sweden has passed legislation obliging banks to provide certain cash services from 2021. The struggle between cash or card payments has become fiercer due to Covid. Electronic payments are easy, quick and feel safe. For banks and payment service providers they’re immensely lucrative. The data broker industry is, in turn, making huge revenues and penetrating our lives in ways we barely suspect. For me cash represents a form of freedom - a freedom I'd like to pass on to my children for their digital future.
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Published: Tue Nov 24 2020
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