Can He Get Into Wharton & Columbia With Low Stats?

[Music] hi I'm John Burroughs consequence were here with Friday's with Sandy that Sandy Kreisberg hello everybody we haven't let's let's let's have our guests say hi Patrick Patrick in the Australia hey guys thank you for having me where it's three o'clock in the morning so Patrick is much better-looking than that no wonder is Mark there yeah Patrick is applying to Wharton Columbia MIT in hah see as an undergraduate degree from Cornell in industrial and labor relations he is a 3.3 4gp a a GRE at 323 he's a corporate project manager at a company and directly reporting to the CEO yeah okay that's enough information to digest yeah okay here's the situation you're just on the stat side okay you you know this Patrick but your stats are a little bit lower than the averages if as I've got it all of those schools like Wharton is three six seven 18 this is GMAT Columbia is a three five seven fifteen slunk three five seven ten and Haas is believe it or not three six seven fifteen even though it's the least selective of those but it's plenty selective so the issue for you is if you're a little off on the stats what can what do you think you can give them you know to replace that what's your dowry seeing as the stats is yeah international yeah listen and that's and that's exactly one of them I took additional coursework just to prove that I'm better now I kind of as you guys say I'm sitting down shutting up and you know spitting it back out good so you've got an alternative transcript that's correct good I've only taken a mathematics for management course at UCLA the right attitude right but I did get an A+ in the courses I girls out okay another reason kind of that I'm hoping differentiates me is the international experience in kind of a mix of having a financial background an operating background so what I'm doing right now is a lot of strategic operating work around the consumer brand so my story I tell us about the company this is important this is your I agree with you what what your dowry is is the fact that you're working for a company called Brazil they are we may not have heard of them here in New England but tell us about the company let's see how how accurately you can describe it and how impressively yes so it's it's actually an 85 year old Australian company that's listed on the ASX here it's about a three billion dollar Ozzie publicly listed three billion dollar company yes yeah they say that sells houseware appliances so premium espresso makers of include food processors things of that sort to consumers and to reach colors right do do people from that company typically attend business school like you I mean it's so there there are a few I mean the executive team is extremely talented and has you know people from Harvard Law School Harvard Business School alumni so all that's good but how often do people at your level like a corporate project manager apply to business so they're in my position there's actually only been two others before me and one went to Stanford one like the harbor so I feel okay I've got big I've got big job is that that's the best no you know let's let's let's not we don't know about that let's let's hear about those shoes that's all day a the most vegetative thing nationality and gender I'm gonna take I'm gonna move along nationality and gender so there they were both actually Australian and worked for either Boehner Mackenzie before so they had a little bit more going in to the resume I think that I did yes because you you work for a Bank of America Merrill Lynch which is a fine company and but it's not as selective from the business schools point of view as Bain or Mackenzie they know Mackenzie are just the most common feeders but it's and they were Australian Jon how do you weight that compared to Patrick well Patrick here in American I am I was actually born and raised in Houston Texas what are you doing in Australia getting that international experience that you're talking about okay because you also have experience outside of Australia in another country right well so part of what I'm working on in my job is is a new market entry so I just want you to just want you to weigh in on this super-important you know so he doesn't qualify as an international applicant is that good or bad I think it's neutral and I'll tell you why generally I think that's bad particularly right now because there's a problem getting international students into USM right okay good but what an American who purposely goes abroad to gain international experience and then wants to come back I think that kind of offsets whatever slight disadvantage there could be I think it says a lot okay let me ask you another really nasty question he went to the Cornell is is a good school to come from it ladies yeah it's Cornell's a great school to come from you went to the school of industrial and labor relations Cornell light or is that they don't know from that it's just like Cornell what do you think that's who unknown school and that's the premier program for people who are interested in that particular area in the world yeah okay and were you recruited for the swim team Patrick yes I was okay so we have a recruiter tassel that's really important Wow pretty right yeah business the business community like swimmers they're here healthy they are friendly they're uh you know they're not weird and there tend to be smart smarter there's a lot of discipline to be in a lot of disciplines business schools like that they like everything about it get up early in the morning he swim especially in the época winters that's true women's school of industrial and labor relations is could be spun into a + what why why did you go there Patrick what do you think I let's say interview and they say hey what's with this where'd you go to high school so what went to high school in Houston Texas at just a public school in Northeast Houston yeah so how'd you wind up at Cornell in the school of industrial and labor relations so from my high school there if you end up at an Ivy League institution that's that's kind of a goal I set for myself in middle school of of using um you know going to the best school academically and athletically that I could attend you know being recruited to Cornell being able to see the campus the the team environment at Cornell and mix with the academics it was a no-brainer for me to go there recruited swimmer you gotta say that this is one of these things where if you if you hold off this thing and you give them a whole spiel about why you went there and you don't mention here you as a guy who hide stuff you understand what I'm saying nothing Percy I've given this advice almost weekly when I talk to you also what happens communication all right is people will remember certain things that are unique to you that is unique being a recruited athlete so you want them to come away from the conversation with a few work in their head that they keep they immediately identify with you yes good John thank you okay so that's how you went to Cornell and then tell me and then tell me after that what you do between December 2014 and July 2015 so what did you how did you graduate in December was yes I gray so so I graduated early and that's actually because of the swim program I never had time to actually do the international experience and travel so he wasn't able to travel abroad so in that time I gained you know been offered through my summer internship so I know I was returning full time to Bank America when in June so I went to Europe and Australia for the first time and and just finally saw the world great okay that's an acceptable answer and then you're at Bank of America if I got this right for four years yes that's correct in sales and trading okay yes okay John there's another nasty question what's my nasty question and what's the answer is sales and trading as prestigious as I banking yeah boy you and I we don't you know we don't even have to do this anymore and it's not but here's the deal when I listen to him I find an incredibly purposeful young person and that's really rare I mean come on Patrick did you did you know that that you're a purposeful young place well he's in he's in middle school and he's going to he's gonna go to a high school it's not known for for sending kids to Ivy and in middle school he wants to go to Ivy School an Ivy League school right so he sets that goal for himself then he sets a goal for himself to get international experience then he goes to Australia now he's 26 years old and he's already thinking about an MBA this every step in your life is unbelie-- orchestrated and planned as one of a something bigger you've got a tight story it's it's the successful smart swimmer story every every piece of this joins it there's no crazy digressions or you know things that have to be explained you've got a real tight story and that's applause okay so but I just want to mention this in my own informative nasty way lid there is a hierarchy of banks where being an associate is a little more selective on sales in trade thousand trading people tend to be more personable and friendly that's because you're dealing with people instead of spreadsheets right yeah and they're dealing with short-term transactions yeah which wakes you you get a report card every day right okay so then Brazil okay you're now work ahead of how did you come to get hired at Brazil Group Limited in Sydney Australia so this came from even when I was in trading at Bank America you know I think I was gaining good experience but I had the ultimate goal of being a CEO of a consumer goods company later on in life I wanted something a bit more tangible I wanted to be a manager and go go the general management route of things in that I was the last yes oh that that's all that is all said by people now it isn't sales and trading I wanted to transition into general management yes exactly so that led led me to any one that I had really met that was in a position that I wanted to be in I was taking phone calls and tried to learn about how to get in that position and whether you know yeah and then I met my i networked my way from Bank of America and yet worked my way yes next job and I met Joe Blow from Breville on whatever on a deal and that was my entree so I kind of took the initiative and made that happen you know like a headhunter didn't come to you right nope so I'm working on a wide array of different projects across different functional groups so anything from corporate development to new market entry to just release strategic projects that a lot of blue sky and that the company is using to grow so it's it's for the past five years since the current CEO joined it's been a current acceleration program where revenue has gone up almost 100% and so in the business is growing quickly so there's a there's a lot of initiatives to do there's a lot of smart people to work with so I'm definitely getting although I've only been there for nine months been exposed to a ton of you know valuable work yeah okay so we your so the question is does all that positivity of going to Australia actually doing things you're working for a company that makes stuff that get people you know I did what the products again suppressor makers yeah muffy makers yeah everyone can relate to that yeah so yeah those are all positives and then the question John from roll please is that enough to overcome mildly lower stance but stats dead if they want you they're not gonna have any doubt that you could hack it so yes fools it just becomes you know oh we got do what we're gonna take a slight hit in our you know us news numbers to take this guy a very slight hit yeah I'd say it does overcome it I think his story is powerful enough I think his achievements are strong enough the fact that he's involved in a lot of strategic projects and he reports directly to CEO after having had the be of a experience really positive the Cornell highly selective school is great this guy he's got better experience than most people at fun and he's got a story yeah and he's got a story and he's a swimmer and the guy he is after lease Ellen you know coffeepots in Mexico you know that's well that's what Business School is you know it's not you're not getting a philosophy degree in ethics okay you you're going to the Harvard Business you know you've gone to Columbia Business School alum be a Divinity School alright that's we're all uh you know we're all probe coffee pot here so what is on sandy I now you could do tough love here and say okay look if you go and you retake the GRE and you get another I don't know a re he's gotta got a 323 GRE with you nineteen quant in us I'm sorry ninety verbal seventy-six Petra percent percentage - yeah yeah yeah ninety percent verbal 76 percent quantum plus these guys they've got the A+ in mathematics at yeah like to offset that one and he's an iron man finishers Wow what are you sure I'm serious man I'm impressed you're jiving you well is that what did your parents do Patrick my father's been a CEO of multiple different companies from any one thing from solar energy to restaurant groups oh so in the family yes exactly okay yep okay drum roll please white male Wharton I think you're gonna have a hard time it's just a lot of people a lot of white males they might like more than you I think your chances of warding are like 20 a turn on what they know about the company and what they think of it I think it's Columbia you're the same thing but it's less selective so I think your chances at Columbia more like 30 to 40% Sloan just good smaller class so it's got nothing to do with you they're just more selective you think your chances it's Sloan or like 25-30 percent I think Haase even lost smaller somehow because of the Australia thing California thing I think his chances at house or better gonna be John yeah yeah I do I do think he's really unique I mean he's not untypical white male who's done that's the question you've got yeah so if you want to help yourself but if you want some super truffle are sure we take them but if you don't do that well if you don't do that and yeah well let me take that back in order to do yourself a favor by retaking the GRE you'd really have to make you'd really have to get a very high score so that's you know it just may not be in the cards so then it's a matter if you've got to get your story straight yep and you've got a real story and you've got to present out of these people and and you've gotta what are some of the tips for getting into these places like it alum BIA show them the love you know we've mentioned this before yeah obviously you're in Australia you know if there's any way of reaching out to Columbia they really count that you know have you have you they keep track of it have you visited you know have you reached out to an alum and that counts a little bit it's lon does that count much it Hoss John every everyone wants to be shown the love they really do it's well yeah that's true in general but I want to be a little strategic about this yeah but if you'll wants to Columbia wants to be shown the Lovelace there frequently people second choice but CBS also if you I'm you know you know they have an early decision deadline yeah in that the are getting in there are higher on early decision than they are on the in the rolling admissions period well the directly now that you've mentioned it would you recommend that to I think I would because I think Wharton is a bit of a reach so maybe you do early decision at CBS you apply to Wharton round one and you think hey you if you get into Wharton great then just you know you might have to put down a deposit that you lose at Columbia huh how much how much of a deposit we talking about I don't remember the numbers but I but I do large it's higher than it should be it's not $100 it's like $2,000 yeah but so if you're willing to blow $2,000 yeah I would go with John I think Morton's a long plum beer early if you get in pay their 2000 if you don't want to be a stinker and apply to Wharton and you get in you go hey Columbia keep the friggin $2,000 okay let me pour something else out here I mean since you you your ultimate goal long term is to be C over consumer products company why wouldn't you apply to Kellogg this is just simply what kind of research that I've done so far what I really have about good John yeah I would really consider that fact I really like log and no really like you yeah there Kellogg is your kind of place yeah swimming that's all I have to hear right they got a big lake he can jump into it even though it's 45 degrees what what it means to them is you're a regular guy and they like regularly yeah and the other thing it's obviously they're well known for marketing and CPG they have a higher percentage of people that put in the CB cheat companies yeah they'll really go Kellogg is your best chance of cracking the gold silver world yeah I have to think that that's an excellent tip you win a jog in the mix you you win j-john for best suggestion in this dialogue Kellogg good one okay we got your buddy hey Patrick good luck to you you know we really think you got a great story a powerful story that that separates you from the pile of other white guys I think the thing was brilliant to leave the obey in the go and do an international experience there you go I'm getting ready to leave sandy where you mask at all times I do believe me all right everybody out there stay safe and healthy thanks for watching John Byrne at flawed sequence

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Length: 23min 26sec (1406 seconds)

Published: Fri May 15 2020