Bullet Technology – The Real Gunsmith

we're gonna talk about bullets this morning bullet technology the design of bullets how boats perform actually perform on game bullets that have been recovered from game game that I've shot people that I've been with have been recovering bullets I'm 68 years old I've been recovering the bullet since I was about 15 years old and what really started this to do with with that aspect when I was 15 years old where I lived in the mountains we had about 15 inches of fresh snow I knew there would be considerable number elk around I was dropped had I've had my granddad dropped me off back back in a few miles and I took off by myself with my day pack and my rifle and enough deep for the day not until about an hour I shot an elk and hunt 350 yards I laid down prone to have good rest elk was standing still broadside I shot it just slightly ahead of the armpit in somewhat into the shoulder area I was shooting a 300 hnh Magnum I was shooting Sierra 168 grain match king bullets and I also shot some 168 green and Hornady match King bullets so I shot the elk the elk went down gathered myself up went over there there's no elk dropped into kind of a depression well this is the second time I've shot an elk in my lifetime I got to figure out what to do I start tracking this elk well I followed this alcohol day I gave up because I knew it was fruitless after about six and a half hours walking I was traveling country that I wrangled horses in I knew knew the country I knew the game country just as young young fella 15 years old and I had to think about that and it's been on my mind and all these years since for 53 years since and I'm gonna tell you what happened the bullet didn't travel into the body cavity of the elk it couldn't have and our reason I say it couldn't have if it travelled into even one lung the out could eventually bled and I'd found him dead that's not what happened what happened was that thin jacketed Cup and draw style bullet just simply went into short wheeze and disintegrate it end a little something just like this all we've got here is a piece of bullet jacket this happens to be a piece of bullet jacket from 185 green match hunting burger ball at the very low drag bullet it's basically the very same bullet that I use fifty-three years ago and never recovered them out now we got a bunch of folks recommending that we use these these match type bullets because that's all that these burger bullets are our match type bullets they're very thin jacketed bullets they have no integrity to hold them together a boat tail bullet will shed its ledcor on impact very easy because there's nothing to hold it in there it's got a taper in the backend and the lead car slips ahead on impact these these burger bullets the Sierra bullets they're all one on the same thing they're made the same way thin jackets deer lead core they've got maybe a different profile but in the front end they've got a huge cavity in the front end when that bullet hits something it just goes goes to hell a lot of instances they disintegrate I've tried this bullet this bullet here happens to be a hundred and thirty green Berger low drag hunting bullet and that bullet won't even make it into the body cavity of the buck deer shot in the shoulder area well that just is not what you want real game bullets have to penetrate into the body cavity into the lungs into the heart both lungs clear over into the off shoulder maybe against the hide or maybe out the other side of the animal and if that bullet doesn't doesn't do that it is just simply not a game bullet and I've had people remark to me well technology allows us to do some of these things there's no new technology between 168 green cierra bullet section one for yourself I've been sexting a bullet on you know all these years I've section these bullets I've shot these bullets I've tried it on game I know what works I know what doesn't work and people telling me that they have a situation where these bullets work better for them than some of these premium bullets that companies invested millions of dollars in to sell to hunters that really work in 1983 I was shooting a seven millimeter Remington Magnum Sarah had come out with 175 grain spitzer boat tail game king bullet that basically is the same bullet as these match bullets it's got the thin jacket the profile like these match bullets have with a boat tail long streamlined bullet except it's got a small LED tip well I shot an elk I shot an elk at 600 yards with that bullet the elk was in misery the elk wasn't going anywhere but I had to finish this out the out was down but it was crawling down a steep embankment towards me at 600 yards this is way before we had any reticle systems really for scopes adjustments that we've got now scopes we can adjust him so forth I was guessing I was guessing my very best guess that's what the artist was and I still think it's right real close to the 600 yards with that help angled downhill towards me I held on the route of his tail and I shot him right in the sand the skeleton of both of his antlers flopped to the site this was a five-point bolt I've got a dead elk when I dressed that elk out when I dress the elk out I discovered the remaining parts of that 175 Sierra game King bullet here it is performed no better than these match bullets performed many years before that I shot that elk word that I never recovered this bullet was in this in the off shoulder it made it through the lungs I shot him through the lungs the elk was gonna die I probably maybe didn't need to shoot him again but I couldn't stand the seen suffer anyway when this elk walked it crunched this bullet you can see this bullet it's smashed right here it's got no lead in it that's an empty jacket that's an empty jacketed field that peeled back far enough it peeled back for it it expanded far enough but here's just what I described these boattail bullets shed their core there's nothing there's not nothing to hold the core in there because the base of the book is tapered slips out on impact it's gone well that finished me that finished me on on that using that bullet I wanted to use a seven millimeter I liked the seven millimeter I went from there the next year I was shooting 175 great knives and partitions there was the bullet that is still the bullet I've killed out from from 25 yards away with the partition bullets out to eight hundred and twenty-five yards it's always always worked for me it's always penetrated into the body cavity of a bull elk a cow elk whatever I've wanted to shoot and I've recovered some of these Nosler partitions I have quite a few here here's here's 175 grain laws of partition expanded perfectly it's got the partition that sheds the front on the front LED core leaves to all the rest of the bullet to drive on through to the other side these bullets are always right there in the meat or right in the right in the height or maybe just started to break the height on the offside when the bullet hits the side the height it's kind of elastic and it springs back in the stops it I've recovered these nozzle partitions they always work really really swell for me and and I've shot elk at almost every angle I've even shot him in the back hip and and slowed him down because that's all that I had at the time and caught up with him because they were imported ham shape and killed the elk but if I would have shot that elk in the hip with one of these 175 Sierra game Kings that I described a moment ago and have shown you this this bullet that has totally shed its ledcor there's nothing there's nothing left there there's no weight that let poor probably shed about a long half wave was traveling or maybe even before that so if it really didn't work but we've got folks hung up on some of this technology well those two technologies they're bullet designs it's still the same technology it really isn't any different it doesn't change the technology by putting a LED tip on a maximal other than any more than it would change the technology by taking a LED tip bullet taking the letter tip off the bullet and making it a bullet like this burger bullet these burger bullets are just simply nothing but match-grade accurate bullets put in a box and sold you his hunting bullets well if it was all that easy why have we come all this way why did jon laaser many years ago when he was hunting in canada come home very disappointed with the both of youse and he haven't been used in a 300 HNH Magnum that I used many many years ago he came home went to work with a simple lathe and made a few bullets and we know the Nosler story most of us do by now it was a tremendous success the nozzle partition built built nozzle nozzle bullets and they've advanced into some other areas and made other bullets over the years and that's from the nozzle partition into the ballistic tip bullet and then into the a cube on type of bullets and they've got long range a cube ons now and bullets that supposedly will expand down to 1,300 feet a second well people think that technology has taken it to where we can shoot way way WAY farther than we should be shooting just because the bullet expand down to that far doesn't mean that you need to shoot that far it takes the hunt it takes the hunt out of everything the most exciting hunting situations that I've been on is not the elk that I killed at 825 yards the most exciting one was the herd elk that I followed into the timber and when when the when the elk got up at 35 yards I killed it dead right there because I slipped in the timber living with those elk and I killed the elk right there that's really honey but sniping sniping from extreme distance it's not hunted it removes it removes all that excitement and everything but we've got these people with with these great big Eagles the want to do these things so people are gonna continue to do it but you need to use the right bullets the right thing for the job if you're on the this first line up a bullet these are all barns bullets well Randy Brooks have designed designed these barns X triple shock bullets and they're they're very very good bullets they those bullets probably hit game harder than any bullet made for whatever caliber it is they're made out of out of copper you know deer copper and with a small cavity in the front the cavity is closed up when the bullets formed and you can see that you can see these bullets here's a recovered bullet this is a recovered bullet from a bull alkyd at 365 yards this is 145 grain seven millimeter bullet this is their long range triple shock bullet boat tail bullet this bullet obviously performed perfectly this bullet went in the chest of a bull elk at 365 yards and penetrated through the hipbone was against the hide and in the meet on the opposite side of the elk that penetrated the full length of an elk you know what you have to go through to penetrate you got to go clear through the guts and everything else you know you went through the the working part of the elk went through the lungs through the you know through the chest through the lungs through the body cavity out through the fleshy part of the hip through the hip bone against that's a game bullet that's a real game bullet and the Naza partitions will do the same thing you can shoot in one end of them and they'll go to the other end and perhaps you'll find the bullet and every bullet has its limitations every bullet has its limitations but some bullets have a lot more limitations than others and I've described here these real thin jacketed bullets I'm very very much against anybody using this type of a bullet on game because I know what it does yeah there's there are situations where the bullet worked and it's killed the animal but bullets that are designed to penetrate two to four inches and explode are not game bullets most of it is designed to penetrate clear through the body of an elk or a deer or whatever we might be shooting those are game bullets and I have found the the swift line line of bullets to be very good they've got to partition them there they're basically it's and can be described as an H mantle type of a bullet they also make a stream line Swiss Rock a bullet and that's a tremendous bullet I found it to be very very good in 180 green 30 caliber Swift Scirocco they've got a very thick jacket those are not made out of guilty metal like some of these other bullets are made out of those are made out of copper and they're one of the first people to put a small considerably small plastic tip in the bullet these bullets have a very high ballistics glow fishing they shoot much much flatter than what the blisters coefficient says all you got to do is test them and figure it out just like just like I have and we're we're still talking here about some technology now we're gonna talk here about you know these blisters coefficients these blisters coefficients basically yeah they can be measured they can it can be checked with the Doppler radar and one thing another but this this sort of thing changes was elint with elevation and it changes with barometric pressure and you need to go to information there's information out there that these blisters coefficients aren't absolute i've proven day after day when i'm shooting on my range here at long range and I can shoot 850 yards that the particular blisters coefficient according to drop figures is not what it is it's what it is on the day that I shot it in the cartridge that I cited the velocity under all the conditions of that day that's what the blisters coefficient was that day blisters coefficient is not the same on another date you zero is not the same eye another day because all these conditions change so we're hung up on technology here people that are trying to push the limit push the limit way out there to extreme long long range and I've seen these things prove out people buy people buy a rifle from from an entity all you got to do is just dial the scope you know loads have been worked up for the rifle you got the velocity figures you got the Bliss's coefficient you make a custom dial for the scope and all you got to do is dial well folks it isn't really quite that simple it all sounds good in theory it all sounds good theory and if you could shoot in a controlled environment in a tunnel in a building in a tunnel of a building where nothing changes everything is the same every time you shoot the temperature is the same there's no wind there's no light change everything exactly the same that's one condition but shootout here in the game field that's an entirely different situation because we've got wind we've got barometric pressure we've got shot angle many many many factors that enter into this and my son happens to be a guide he's an extremely good good guide guides hunters he's expressly good at guiding out hunters he had an elk hunter year before last minute now Photoworks word they were together with the hunter the man had a rifle that he walked from an entity that had you know a custom dial on it Lode worked up he was a 3r and Winchester Magnum they spotted an elk at twelve hundred and thirty nine yards the guy wanted to shoot this elk all I got to do is just dial my scope they would not let him shoot at that elk after a while it ended up that the elk was was it was at 932 yards well they got him they got him prone and they got him into position very carefully they range finding it with three range finders and he dialed he dialed for the for the correction of the range and he shot well both the guidin out federal Watts in the common tale of the bullet go in from behind the hunter my son and the outfitter saw this bullet go in and hit at the Elks feet where was the precision where was the precision he dialed a scope he was told by the outfit that he all he had to do was just dial the scope and he yup the guy's spent quite a bit of money to get an elk permit he spent a lot of money to be guided on an outfit hunting he went home empty-handed he went home lumped empty-handed because of his attitude and because of what he wanted to try to do he was doing something beyond his capabilities and beyond his understanding and beyond the capability of the rifle because real obviously you know the the the dial was not correct for the trajectory of that particular load for one thing as a parent Winchester Magnum in at 932 yards the energy is felt way way off we should have an energy around 1,800 to 2,000 foot-pounds for elk sized game the energy was conserved we below that long before that the energy had fell below that energy level but been led to believe that the technology this technology all this specialness that we've come up with we can use an app all we got to do is look at our app on our smart phone and we can do this and we can do that we can do something else well I'm trying to explain to you here it isn't working it isn't working yeah it can work some time for somebody somewhere under under situation what's it gonna what's it going to be the next time what are you going to have the next time is it going to work for you perhaps it will perhaps it won't if you're gonna shoot a long-range I had this put to me by a retired military sniper a four to three years he said to me he said Randy he said if you're gonna shoot at any distance of game you need to practice in a hunting situation you need to practice in a hunting position you need to sit down you need to kneel you need to be prone you need to be standing up and you need to shoot choose whatever you'd like a five or six inch paper target or 5 or 6 inch dong and if you can hit that gong at 200 yards in 4 or 5 hunting type positions move it out a hundred yards and see if you can still hit that target at those distances under a hunting situation and keep moving it out moving it out until you miss that means you only get one shot out of a cold barrel at those distances your weight for the barrel to cool one shot on a cold barrel just like you would duplicate your hunting situation if you're gonna kill an animal you miss that target you miss that 5 or 6 inch target at 400 yards that means that you got no business shooting at anything at 400 yards because you missed it you back up 50 yards or you back up 100 yards and shoot again and practice improve yourself maybe you can gain maybe you can gain that hundred yards maybe finally after a while you become proficient enough to shoot at 400 yards or 500 yards whatever it is but if you can't hit out of a cold barrel for the first shot at these targets you've got no business under any set of circumstances shooting at our majestic wildlife a beautiful living animal you've got no business shooting at it if you're gonna wound it you probably don't have the tracking ability I have tremendous tracking ability my son's got tremendous tracking builder because we're hunters we hunt we get in close to our game that's what we want to do we want to we want to kill our game with one shot if we possibly can and these extreme situations it's all been brought on because of this hang-up the people are on the technology the technology well I've tried to explain some of this technology still doesn't take you any further it really doesn't take you any further it just kind of builds up your eagle look at what I did look what I did well yeah what are you gonna do the next time how many times you're going to to shoot at that elk guys say well look I can sit here I can sit here and I can read this wind there's not anything on the face of this earth that's available to you or ayat or any other shooter that wants to shoot game of extreme ranges a thousand yards or whatever might happen to be that's gonna tell you what that winds doing down there at a thousand yards it's not gonna tell you there's nothing that's going to tell you what it's doing all the way in between I have a shooting situation here from my home all right shoot let's say we got we got a couple mile an hour breeze right here at the bench and I'm gonna shoot I'm gonna shoot at eight hundred and fifty yards well here's the real situation I know this because I live here I'd do it but where you are and you just encounter a situation you haven't been across that terrain all that train between here and that animal you don't know what's going on there so I shoot from my bench it has to go across two gullies it's got to go over the top of a ridge out onto the top of a flat down into a deep canyon up on a ridge where that elk is an 850 yards well between here and where that ridge is I can walk down there and the wind is blowing four or five times harder there than it is at the bench so that means if I got to three mile an hour wind here at the bench I've got probably a fifteen mile an hour wind when we walk on the top of the bench now we walk off the bench we go down just a little bit down in the canyon there's no wind there's no wind down in that Canyon now we come up out of the canyon as we come up by the canyon all of a sudden now we're back out way up here in the open now we're back up into the wind again well that out standing on the mountain there isn't anybody ever and there never will be anybody that can read the conditions that I just described to you or know what it is period they just simply don't know there's there's there's not any technology that you're ever gonna buy today tomorrow or next year or ten years from now that's gonna do this all for you and makes this ethical to take game at these extreme distances this is all about Eagle it's all driven by Eagle shooting many many bullets that aren't capable the Energy's not there we've got people describing that well I'm I'm shooting elk at eight hundred yards with a six five Creedmoor you know what the energy of a hundred and forty some odd grain bullet out of a sixty-five Creedmoor is at eight hundred yards and started out of twenty seven hundred feet a second at the muzzle and eight hundred yards you got about seven hundred and some-odd foot-pounds energy at eight hundred yards maybe somebody's killed an elk that far with a six five Creedmoor did that make it an elk cartridge you know and anyway these these energy figures in almost all these instances where people have described that they've taken game with these extreme ranges nobody ever mentions anything to do with energy energy and bliss this coefficient go hand in hand if we've got higher bliss this coefficient it's going to carry more energy downrange yes it does carry more energy downrange but you don't go way below go down to a third or a fourth of the energy that you really need to kill the game is that using technology that's ignoring the technology that was given to you with these high bliss these coefficient bullets just plain and simple you've went beyond you've went way beyond technology doesn't enter anymore now now what it comes down to well you know I did it so you really don't know what you're talking about you know and one thing another well why why in instances are people shooting shooting game at these distances not once not twice not three times 70 times 12 13 14 15 times using the whole box of ammunition and maybe only hitting that that elk two or three times at that distance if the technology is so wonderful why didn't you hit it twenty times out of the box that took twenty rounds ammunition if technology was so damn wonderful and you can do all these things and you're using technology how come it didn't work evidently you're knocked up to it the technology is not there to get things there the guns not up to it and you're shooting too far and you don't have the energy you hit an elk with one of these little small calibers let's shoot an elk let's shoot an elk at 800 yards with a 65 Creedmoor 140 some what green you know Edie LX e DLX bullet that a few people seem to be hung up on that's also a thin jacketed bullet she's got a slim profile Scott the Bliss's coefficient he's got a plastic tip I've had it described to me I've had people describe to me you know taken from melka somewhere in the neighborhood neighborhood of nine hundred yards one of these bullets the plastic tip was gone in the front end were just started to just kind of curl back a little tiny bit the only reason that the elk died is because the elk captain have been shot right here in the net and broke his vertebrae it did ruin things there severe at the spinal column the bullet hung up in there and the people found found the bullet supposed to be real high-technology this EDL X bullet well it can't be that good why didn't it make it through the neck of an elk at that distance it did kill the elk what would happen if you if you shot that elk in the shoulder it couldn't have made it through the shoulder it didn't make it clear through the neck of an elk neck of an elk is about as wide as my head it didn't make it through that so time and time and time again using just plain old everyday savvy understanding of these things having hunted a lifetime this is what I'm explaining to you this is what I want to point out and if you're if you're attempting these things way past the capability that's not doing anything at all for the hunting for eternity it's one way beyond the ethics and at some point people need to control themselves you

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Keywords: randy's custom rifles, the real gunsmith, bullet technology, hunting bullets, match bullets, berger bullets, nosler partition, ELDX bullet, hornady, speer, nosler, barnes bullets, vld bullet, ballistic coefficient, long range, long range hunting, long range shooting, ethical hunting, terminal ballistics, bullet performance

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Length: 34min 25sec (2065 seconds)

Published: Tue Jun 05 2018