NEWS ACTUALLY. >>> WE HAVE BREAKING NEWS FROM ARIZONA INVOLVING THE FAKE ELECTOR PLOT. LET'S GET RIGHT TO NBC NEWS CORRESPONDENT VAUGHN HILLYARD WITH THE DETAILS. VAUGHN, WHAT HAVE YOU GOT? >> Reporter: HEY, JOY. THIS IS LITERALLY JUST IN THE LAST 60 SECONDS. ARIZONA ATTORNEY GENERAL CHRIS MAZE IS ANNOUNCING THE INDICTMENT OF THE 11 ELECTORS OUT OF ARIZONA FROM THE 2020 ELECTION. THIS HAS BEEN PART OF A YEAR-LONG INVESTIGATION FOR CHRIS MAZE, OF COURSE, THERE WAS A REPUBLICAN ATTORNEY GENERAL IN THE AFTERMATH OF THE 2020 ELECTION WHO NEVER INVESTIGATED THE FAKE ELECTOR SCHEME ON HIS PART UPON TAKING OFFICE SHE COMMITTED TO THIS INVESTIGATION AND OVER THE BETTER PART OF THE LAST YEAR SHE HAS GONE THROUGH THIS. ISSUING SUBPOENAS AND HAVING INDIVIDUALS TESTIFY BEFORE THIS GRAND JURY. JUST HERE IN THE LAST HOUR IN ARIZONA, CHRIS MAZE WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE STATE GRAND JURY IS NOW INDICTED 11 FAKE ELECTORS OUT OF ARIZONA. I SHOULD NOTE, AS WE'RE GIPING TO MAKE OUR WAY THROUGH THIS INDICTMENT, THERE ARE OTHER INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE ALSO INCLUDED IN THIS INDICTMENT. BUT THEY HAVE NOT BEEN SERVED AT THIS TIME. THE INDICTMENT HAS THOSE NAMES REDACTED. THE 11 INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE BEEN INDICTED, WHO WE HAVE THE NAMES OF, INCLUDE THE LIKES OF KELLY WAR, WHO FOLKS WILL RECALL WAS THE ARIZONA GOP CHAIRWOMAN AT THE TIME AS WELL AS HER HUSBAND, AS WELL AS RNC COMMITTEE MAN OUT OF ARIZONA, TYLER BOYER, WHO ALSO SERVES AS THE CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER OF TURNING POINT USA, THAT TRUMP ALIGNED ORGANIZATION. YOU ALSO HAVE TWO CURRENT ARIZONA STATE LEGISLATORS INCLUDED IN THIS INDICTMENT AROUND -- IN THE AFTERMATH OF THE 2020 ELECTION, JOY, THE -- IN SOME STATES, RIGHT, THERE IS MORE SECRETIVE EFFORT TO KEEP THE FAKE ELECTOR SCHEME UNDER WRAPS, RIGHT, IN THE STATE OF GEORGIA IN A SECRET MEETING BEHIND CLOSED DOORS. IN ARIZONA IT WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT. MORE THAN A MONTH AFTER THE 2020 ELECTION RESULTS, AS DONALD TRUMP WAS APPLYING A PRESSURE CAMPAIGN ON THE LIKES OF MARICOPA COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AS WELL AS FORMER HOUSE SPEAKER RUSTY BOWERS, FOLKS MAY RECALL THAT AT THE ARIZONA GOP HEADQUARTERS, KELLY WARD, THE GOP CHAIRWOMAN OF THE STATE PARTY AT THE TIME ACTUALLY CONVENED A GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS, INCLUDING THE 11 ELECTORS, ONE OF WHOM SHE WAS, TO ACTUALLY HAVE ON VIDEO THEM GOING AND SIGNING THE CERTIFICATE. AT THAT POINT IN TIME, THE CERTIFICATE WAS SENT TO THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES IN CONGRESS. SO, AGAIN, JOY, LITERALLY AS YOU AND I ARE DISCUSSING HERE, WE'RE JUST BEGINNING TO MAKE OUR WAY THROUGH THIS INDICTMENT. BUT NOW WE HAVE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE ELECTORS IN GEORGIA AND MICHIGAN AND NOW IN ARIZONA AS WELL WHO HAVE BEEN FORMALLY INDICTED ON STATE CHARGES STEMMING FROM THIS ALLEGED SCHEME TO SEND TO WASHINGTON, D.C. ULTIMATELY A DIFFERENT SLATE OF ELECTORS TO BE COUNTED ON JANUARY 6th OF 2021. >> DON'T GO ANYWHERE, VAUGHN. ANDREW WEISSMANN, FIRST YOUR REACTION. I ALSO WANT TO GET TIM HEAPHY'S REACTION. >> SURE. I'M FASCINATED BY THE FACT THAT VAUGHN IS REPORTING THERE'S REDACTED NAMES. AND I WONDER IF VAUGHN COULD SPEAK TO -- IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY WERE ABLE TO SERVE PEOPLE WHO WERE LOCAL WHO MIGHT BE ARIZONA PEOPLE. FROM THAT, WOULD IT BE FAIR TO INFER THAT THERE MAYBE PEOPLE WHO, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE SCHEME AS ALLEGED ELSEWHERE IN VARIOUS INDICTMENTS IS THAT PEOPLE AT THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN WERE ORCHESTRATING THIS. IN OTHER WORDS, THIS DIDN'T COME FROM THE BOTTOM UP. THIS WAS COMING FROM D.C. DOWN. IS THERE -- FROM THAT, COULD YOU INFER THAT AT LEAST SOME OF THE REDACTED NAMES MAY BE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN? >> RIGHT. ANDREW, I'M LOOKING AT THE SAME SCREEN I HAVE MY CAMERA ON HERE, ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN NAMES ARE REDACTED. SO THERE WERE THE 11 ELECTORS, FAKE ELECTORS OUT OF ARIZONA AND SEVEN ADDITIONAL NAMES THAT ARE REDACTED HERE. WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT MULTIPLE COUNTS, NINE DIFFERENT COUNTS, COUNT ONE CONSPIRACY, COUNT TWO FRAUDULENT SCHEMES, COUNT THREE, FRAUDULENT SCHEMES AND PRACTICES, AND COUNTS FOUR THROUGH NINE ARE FORGERY. WE ALSO IN ALL 11 OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS WERE ALL INDICTED ON ALL NINE OF THOSE COUNTS. THE SEVEN REDACTED NAMES WE DO NOT HAVE THE COUNTS ON AS WELL. SO, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO SCAN THROUGH THIS JUST SO FOLKS KNOW WHAT WE'RE SCANNING THROUGH HERE, WE'RE LOOKING AT FROM ARIZONA ATTORNEY GENERAL CHRIS MAZE A 58-PAGE INDICTMENT THAT WAS SIGNED HERE BY THE FOREPERSON JUST HERE IN THE LAST HOUR. SO, TO BETTER ANSWER EVERYBODY'S QUESTIONS HERE, I'M GOING TO WORK MY WAY THROUGH THIS HERE IN REALTIME IF I MAY, GUYS. >> YEAH. LET ME LET YOU WORK THROUGH IT. TAKE YOU OFF CAMERA AND LET YOU WORK THROUGH IT AND KEEP READING AN GET TIMOTHY HEAPHY, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF ALL THIS? >> SOUNDS VERY CONSISTENT WITH THE MICHIGAN CASE, WITH A PORTION OF THE GEORGIA CASE AS ANDREW SAID. THIS WAS A TOP DOWN SCHEME. IT WAS THE RNC AND MEMBERS OF THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN WHO WERE ENCOURAGING ELECTORS IN THESE CONTESTED STATES TO SUBMIT CERTIFICATES PURPORTING TO BE OFFICIAL, THAT'S WHERE THE CRIME COMES IN, CERTIFYING FALSELY THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP HAD WON THOSE STATES. THE SIGNATURE ON THOSE DOCUMENTS AND THE ATTEMPT TO HAVE THEM CONSIDERED BY CONGRESS IS WHAT MAKES THEM FRAUDULENT. THEY ARE FAKE ELECTOR CERTIFICATES. THE REDACTED NAMES COULD VERY WELL BE OFFICIALS OF THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN, MIKE ROMAN COMES TO MIND. HE'S INDICTED IN GEORGIA AND WAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO WAS ON THE PHONE ORGANIZING THIS ACTIVITY WITH INDIVIDUALS IN MICHIGAN, IN ARIZONA, AND IN GEORGIA. SO, MY GUESS IS IT'S THE INDIVIDUALS IN ARIZONA WHO HAVE BEEN NAMED AND SOME ADDITIONAL FOLKS IN WASHINGTON OR ELSEWHERE THAT WERE PART OF THE BROADER SCHEME TO GET ALL SEVEN OF THESE CONTESTED STATES TO SUBMIT THESE FAKE ELECTOR CERTIFICATES. ALL OF THAT OF COURSE SETS UP SOME PREDICATE FOR DISPUTE, SOMETHING FOR THE VICE PRESIDENT POTENTIALLY TO ACCEPT AT THE JOINT SESSION. A BASIS ON WHICH MEMBERS OF CONGRESS COULD OBJECT. IT WAS ALL PART OF A BROADER SCHEME LED BY THE FORMER PRESIDENT. THAT'S WHAT'S AT STAKE IN THESE CRIMINAL CASES IN WASHINGTON AND GEORGIA. >> ANDREW, I'M NOT A MATH PERSON BUT 11 ELECTORS INDICTED PLUS NINE REDACTED, SAYS 20 TO ME. A LOT OF PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT HOW BROAD THE GEORGIA INDICTMENT WAS, BUT THAT INDICTMENT INCLUDED FAKE ELECTORS, PEOPLE WHO WERE PART OF THAT SCHEME. IT ALSO INCLUDED NOT JUST PEOPLE FROM THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN, BUT VERY OSTENTATIOUSLY PEOPLE FROM THE TRUMP WHITE HOUSE INCLUDING HIS CHIEF OF STAFF. IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT AN INDICTMENT THIS BROAD AND GOT NAMES REDACTED, SHOULDN'T THAT SAY FEDS TO US AS WELL? PEOPLE WHO ARE FEDERAL OFFICIALS MAYBE, MAYBE? >> YEAH. THE THING I JUST SORT OF THINK IS IF THEY UNREDACTED THE ARIZONA PEOPLE, I'M JUST SORT OF LOGICALLY IT WOULD SUGGEST THOSE PEOPLE MAY BE OUTSIDE OF THE STATE AND GIVEN THE SCHEME WAS REALLY ORCHESTRATED AS WE KEEP ON SAYING TOP DOWN, I'M GOING TO BE INTERESTED IN WHETHER -- WHO THE TOP PEOPLE ARE THAT ARE GETTING INDICTED. REMEMBER, BUT FOR DONALD TRUMP, IF HE BECOMES PRESIDENT AGAIN, HE MAY HAVE IMMUNITY. THESE STATE CHARGES, PEOPLE SHOULD REMEMBER, THEY STICK. THERE IS NO FEDERAL PARDON POWER FOR THESE CHARGES. SO, WHEN WE FIND OUT THE FULL PAN PLATE, THE PRESSURE ON THEM IS GREAT BECAUSE THEY CAN'T BE SITTING THERE THINKING, I DON'T HAVE TO WORRY BECAUSE DONALD TRUMP BECOMES PRESIDENT HE'LL PARDON ME. THEY'LL HOLD THE BACK JUST TO BE CLEAR. >> LET ME GO BACK TO VAUGHN REALLY QUICKLY BECAUSE WE DO HAVE THIS LIST OF REDACTED NAMES. IS THERE SOME WAY TO ELIMINATE THE POSSIBILITY THAT AS IS THE CASE IN GEORGIA, TRUMP'S NAME IS ON THAT LIST? >> IT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION, JOY. WE HAVE NO REPORTING THAT SUGGESTED THAT DONALD TRUMP HAD RECEIVED A SUBPOENA OR EVEN A REQUEST TO APPEAR BEFORE THIS GRAND JURY. SO, THE EXTENT TO CHRIS MAZE SERVICE IS STILL FRANKLY NOT CLEAR. I THINK THAT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT KRIS MAZE HERE, AGAIN, I GOT TO COME BACK TO THE FACT THAT SHE DIDN'T COME IN TO OFFICE UNTIL -- IN 2023 HERE. ESSENTIALLY SHE HAD A TWO-YEAR DELAYED START IN BEING ABLE TO PICK UP THIS INVESTIGATION. AND WHEN SHE CAME INTO OFFICE, A RACE SHE WON BY JUST ABOUT 270 VOTES, SHE MADE THE COMMITMENT SHE SAID SHE NEEDED TO SEND A CLEAR MESSAGE THAT TRYING TO OVERTURN DEMOCRATIC ELECTIONS IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA TO THOSE WHO ATTEMPT TO DO THAT, THAT A CLEAR MESSAGE WILL BE SENT THAT THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DO THAT INTO THE FUTURE. AND THAT SHE FOUND IT IMPERATIVE TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS INVESTIGATION DESPITE OTHERS SUGGESTING, THREE AND A HALF YEARS HAVE PASSED AT THIS POINT. WE THE AMERICAN PUBLIC BECAME FAMILIAR WITH RUSTY BOWERS OWN STORY. RUSTY BOWERS WAS THE SPEAKER OF THE ARIZONA LEGISLATURE AT THE TIME WHEN HE SAYS AND TESTIFIED TO THIS THAT HE GOT PHONE CALLS FROM THE LIKES OF DONALD TRUMP AND ALLIES URGING HIM TO SEND THIS ALTERNATE SLATE OF ELECTORS ON BEHALF OF THE LEGISLATURE, RIGHT? SO THESE GUYS ON DECEMBER 14th, THAT ARIZONA GOP HEADQUARTERS WERE ALL THERE ON VIDEO SIGNING THEIR NAMES, ALL 11 OF THEM, ON THIS CERTIFICATE THAT WAS SENT TO CONGRESS. BUT THEY WERE ALSO IN REALTIME TRYING TO MORE FORMALLY USE THE LEGISLATURE TO SEND AND MAKE THAT THE FORMAL CERTIFICATE SENT BY THE STATE OF ARIZONA, NOT THE BIDEN SLATE OF ELECTORS. RUSTY BOWERS SAID, SORRY, WE'RE NOT GOING WITH THAT GAME PLAN. WE AS THE ARIZONA STATE LEGISLATURE ARE SENDING THE BIDEN SLATE OF ELECTORS. DOUG DUCEY, THE GOVERNOR, WAS THEN THE NEXT INDIVIDUAL WHO IS A PART OF THAT PRESSURE CAMPAIGN AND FOLKS WILL RECALL WHEN HE LATER THAT MONTH IN DECEMBER WAS LITERALLY SIGNING THE CERTIFICATE THAT BIDEN HAD WON THE STATE OF ARIZONA, HIS PHONE RANG AND IT WAS DONALD TRUMP THAT WAS CALLING HIM. AND HE TURNED IT OTHER AND LEFT IT ON MUTE. SO THIS IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA WAS THE LENGTH TO THE MEANS IN WHICH THESE INDIVIDUALS, THE CHAIRWOMAN OF THE STATE PARTY AS WELL AS THE RNC COMMITTEE MAN, TYLER BOYER, WENT. AND NOW WE KNOW IT'S AN EXTENSION OF THIS. OF COURSE, KARI LAKE WAS -- I SHOULD BE CLEAR WAS NOT A PART OF THIS INDICTMENT HERE, BUT THEY ARE -- THIS IS FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES THE REPUBLICAN PARTY OF THE STATE OF ARIZONA. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> NOW IN A CRITICAL MOMENT FOR THE STATE OF ARIZONA AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, JUST SIX MONTHS OUT FROM A GENERAL ELECTION, THEY HAVE THIS INDICTMENT ON THEIR HANDS. IT'S JUST A COMPLICATING SCENE AND ONE THAT I THINK
