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who travel separately for security reasons followed him less than an hour later for just several minutes britain was without an official political leader trust has now taken on that mantle though and returned to london to take up residence at 10 downing street where she'll confront a number of serious economic challenges for npr news i'm bill marks in london a blistering heat wave continues to bake the west excessive heat warnings are posted in parts of arizona nevada and for most of california from member station kcrw matt gillum reports the soaring heat is making conditions brutal for firefighters in southern california two blazes east of la are putting fire crews through their paces the deadly fairview fire is chewing through brush and scrub near the community of hemet in riverside county and the radford fire scorching an area of the san bernardino mountains close to big bear firefighters won't be getting any help from the weather heat wave gripping the region is staying put through the week highs where the fairview fire is burning are expected to be above 105 degrees through thursday and the soaring temperatures are stressing the power grid residents have already been asked to scale back their electricities for several days but officials say the grid could see record demand this week they're warning that rolling blackouts are a real possibility for npr news i'm matt gillum this is primary election day in massachusetts republicans are choosing a candidate for governor from member station gbh adam riley reports incumbent gop governor charlie baker is leaving office after two terms the republican primary for governor doubles as a referendum on the future of the massachusetts gop jeff deal an early backer of donald trump is vying against moderate businessman chris doughty on the democratic side attorney general maura healey is running unopposed for her party's nomination she's trying to become the first woman ever elected governor of massachusetts adam riley reporting on wall street stocks are mixed the dow's up 60 points the nasdaq is down 20. this is npr good morning with the latest from the gbh newsroom i'm henry santoro in brookline this rainy primary day and it is primary day throughout the commonwealth all of us here at gbh can't stress enough how important it is to get out and cast your votes if you're still undecided or just want to hear the candidates give one lash push for themselves and the issues they believe strongly about then stay tuned to gbh and boston public radio jim and marjorie have confirmed that all the candidates for the contested statewide races will call in throughout the course of the show and be given five minutes each to ask for your support those candidates include chris dempsey chris doty jeff deal shannon lewis reading diana dezuglio kim driscoll eric lessa tammy guilia andrea campbell and tanisha sullivan and gbh will have coverage throughout the day of primary day right up to and after the polls close at 8 so please do stick with us as we've been reporting here on gbh voters in barnstable have been unable to cast their votes because the ballots are locked in a safe and the lock on that safe is broken not only that but the handle to open the safe was sheared off when officials tried to pry it open that said emergency paper ballots are now being printed and will be delivered to voting precincts for voters to cast their votes the town clerk's office says it'll make an announcement once the new ballots are ready and the voting hours will be extended tonight to make up for today's delay the emergency paper ballots will be identical to machine readable ballots but they will need to be hand counted at the end of the night and it is raining we're looking at 63 degrees in boston i'm henry santoro this is gbh news support for npr comes from npr stations other contributors include fisher investments fisher investments is a fiduciary which means they always put clients interests first fisher investments clearly different money management investing in securities involves the risk of [Music] is jim browdy i am loss egan we are back after vacation we are broadcasting live at the boston public libraries we do every tuesday and friday i know you've got a great day and jim on your vacation it's funny by the way you say every tuesday and friday we haven't been here like six months i don't know what you're talking about i hope this is not like riding a i hope it is like riding a bicycle it's like riding a bicycle now by the way the listeners apparently have forgotten us too i look at the first i look at the first text we get and this woman marion wareham says i voted last tuesday but was regretting it as i've learned more about some of the candidates then she texts again oops wrong show well this is close enough so here's the deal henry santora pretty much laid it out for the couple of decades plus that margie and i have been on the radio we have a tradition every election day primary election day and final election day we invite every single statewide candidate and if they're congressional races those two in uh who is in a contested primary to join us so as a result make a final pitch that will be the candidates for attorney general lieutenant governor auditor secretary of state and their final pitch is not a traditional interview like we do if we had a usual 25 minutes just an opportunity for them to make a final pitch for example maura healey will not be here today because obviously she is uncontested in the primary democratic primary for governor even though i believe chang diaz is still in the battle so that has that's how it works brief five minutes each for each of the candidates in this first segment in a minute we're going to talk to the two republicans running for governor chris doty and jeff deal we'll then talk a few minutes after that to shanalis reardon one of the two democrats running for attorney general then diana de zoglio democrat running for auditor but joining us first i believe he is with us is that correct is one of the two candidates for auditor on the democratic ticket that would be chris dempsey uh chris uh are you there chris well we're off to a hell of a start okay how have you been how was your vacation i've been i've been very well i feel very sorry for myself vacation is over until uh until thanksgiving i guess but chris dempsey of course would first gain notoriety jim as our transportation nerd right here on boston well actually he was the he ran the campaign with two friends against the olympics in 20. what are you talking about he reached the big time when he came on with us talking about transportation issues but he was a big opponent of the 2020 no it was the 2024 24 olympics right here right here in boston did not have right here by the way you know one of the things i just without while we're waiting for criticism it's our fault not his by the way we didn't realize he's scheduled 11 10 i thought he was scheduled right at the top of the show you know a couple of days ago uh the incumbent uh uh secretary of state who's being challenged obviously bill galvin said he expected turnout to be 23 he's up that number a little but even if it's in the high 20 we have really strong candidates in every single primary it's disgraceful what are 75 percent of people saying to themselves it doesn't matter there's no difference between john jane doe and john doe i mean it's it's really abysmal don't you think yeah and some of the races are really close i mean chris dempsey we're going to talk to a couple of minutes his his race is really close forward with danny and i i don't know attorney general race supposedly neck and neck very very close as well so it really matters and you know we have races we're not going to talk about because we're just doing the statewide races but this has been a real crazy race for suffolk county district attorney you know on on both sides with allegations against arroyo and with allegations against hayden as well of different natures but it's been kind of a wild ride for them too so i don't know these are big deal races and we're going to talk later today with kyle rose from the aclu whose campaign not hers but the aclu's in general about what the difference a d.a makes i mean a district attorney makes a huge difference in the district where you're from whether that's a person that is more of the rachel rollins type that is more into reforming the system or whether they're a hardliner which is something totally different so these races do matter by the way i read a text a minute ago we have another text from louisa this is oh pardon me this is a posting on youtube missed you both whoops wrong show okay thank you in any case joining us now uh is one of the two democrats running for uh the nomination for auditor of the commonwealth that would be chris dempsey chris welcome jim and marjorie it's great to be back with you great job no as i just said you were a transportation nerd for quite some time and you did a fine job chris dempsey so what are you doing today what's your schedule we are all over the state today i just got a text from a volunteer who's out in royalton massachusetts and north central mass with a homemade dempsey for auditor sign i'm personally going to be in boston newton cambridge brookline all over the region and look we're fighting for every single vote through 8 pm it's been a remarkable experience to be on the campaign for the last 15 months and it all comes down for the next nine hours you know chris we were talking right before you got on the line about uh the projections for turnout which go from abysmal to almost abysmal what do you make of that when there's so many races with so many i think talented people you know look it's tough on a rainy day and i know that some people are probably listening to this right now and wondering whether they should get out to vote or not i'm going to ask every single person that can hear my voice right now to get out to the polls if they haven't voted already we are deciding the future of the commonwealth today who our next leaders will be and this is the year of generational change if i'm elected i'll be the first millennial ever elected to statewide office in massachusetts we have great candidates up and down the ballot in the democratic party now lots of great conversations over the last year about what we need in our commonwealth what needs to be fixed how we're going to address the problems that people are facing today is the day for people to make that decision and i really do urge everyone to be out there why should whose auditor matter to people i'm guessing most people have no idea what the auditor does even though they've heard that maybe the current auditor is going to decide how much money could possibly be returned to taxpayers under the 1986 tax cap why should they care about the auditor's job in general this is an absolutely critical accountability and watchdog role we've been served very well for the last 12 years by auditor suzanne bump the first woman to ever hold the office she's the person who knows the job the best and she's endorsed me to succeed her in this race this is the role where you are to dig up roll up your sleeves dig into the details of state government to figure out what's working and what's not working and how things need to change i'm the only candidate in this race with experience working in the executive branch i was assistant secretary of transportation for governor deval patrick and as you know jim and marjorie i've also stood up to protect taxpayers as the co-founder of the grassroots group no boston olympics so i've proven i can do the work inside of government i've proven i can work outside of government to stand up to protect taxpayers and i want to do more of that work serving people as the next the auditor wait a second the olympics is not coming here in 2024 we're talking to chris dempsey for auditor so chris we've got a little less than two minutes left so tell us uh give us your pitch and give us the major difference between you and your opponent diana desaglio jim and marjorie i'm the son of public school teachers and i saw through their career my parents digging into their own pockets to pay for school supplies for their students as we know public school teachers do to this day across the commonwealth and that's not right and it's the result of choices that we make on beacon hill and those dollars not flowing to the places where they can do the greatest good public education public transportation public health i'm fighting to make sure that every single dollar we have goes to those places that need it and i've got a proven track record to do that it's because of that track record that i'm supported by mayor michelle wu congresswoman ayanna presley i've been endorsed by the boston globe by 25 women legislators including senate president karen skoka and by hundreds of local leaders across the state i'm fighting for a more fair more equitable commonwealth and we've had an absolute joy and pleasure of doing this for the last 15 months so excited about the support we've seen with more to come chris stamp say we wish you luck i hope to talk to you in the future be well good luck today thanks so much for having me on and no matter who you're voting for today please go out and vote you know thank you very much chris i just want to echo what chris dempsey said at the earth go out and vote if we end up with like a 26 turnout we should be ashamed of ourselves ashamed i just don't i don't get it maybe tomorrow the next day we'll talk about what we do every couple of years about how to increase voter turnout but hopefully people will take it seriously today uh speaking of taking it seriously one of the candidates taking it very seriously on the republican side who hopes to oppose maura healey who's unopposed on the democratic side is chris doty chris good to talk to you welcome to the show jim and marger it's so good to be on thanks uh for inviting me our pleasure thank you very much for being with us chris dodie so here is the crucial question i think for you candidate doty if you had a choice would you rather be endorsed by donald trump like your opponent jeff deal or would you rather be endorsed by boston herald columnist howie carr and you are his man i understand so what do you think you know i want to be endorsed by every citizen of massachusetts um i would say that uh i'm much more interested in what happens in worcester than washington so my heart and soul is here on massachusetts and what i can do for our citizens here what's it been like you're a first-time candidate uh obviously i assume people know i hope they know what's what's been the greatest takeaway for you chris doty from this first ever statewide run you know i arrived here in 1987 and i fell in love with massachusetts the the people the culture the diversity the geography and this campaign i have fallen back in love with massachusetts you know being a candidate i've studied the commerce businesses coming and going i've studied education visited with many schools the chambers of commerce's councils on aging i've met probably hundreds of state employees i've looked at policy red legislation and uh i've just fallen in love with our state all over again we live in such a wonderful place and i just uh it's been a remarkable experience to be a candidate here and to sort of peel back what makes what makes massachusetts special and how do we compete with other states it's a it's a competitive organization you know we have connecticut and new hampshire tennessee virginia that we're competing with and trying to figure out in my own mind how will i compete or how would we compete with these other states so that our citizens prosper has been a wonderful experience for me we're talking with chris dowdy he of course is running against geoff diehl for the governor of massachusetts on the republican side so tell us why you were a better choice for the commonwealth than jeff deal you know jeff wouldn't do any debate so i'm sorry for everyone they didn't get a chance to see us up on the stage we had multiple invitations for televised debates including yours thank you um and uh i never would have had a chance but if i had a chance to debate i would have highlighted three things number one is that i've been a job creator i've run a large business that started as a small business i'm comfortable with budgets and problem solving and bring people together i have executive level experience for three decades and my opponent has no experience he's probably qualified for other jobs in state government but just certainly not running something as big and complicated as our state government that's one number two is he's lost his last three elections by a landslide against the list of horn he lost by 37 points in his own home state um senate race he lost by 17 points including his own hometown and so he just doesn't have a pathway to be someone like maura healey the third one is his record if i had a chance to debate him i would have called him out on saying one thing another and let me just give a couple examples one is he ran as a candidate for state rep and said that he was for lower taxes but yet in the state house he voted not only for higher taxes but he even proposed a brand new tax in our state then he ran in as a state rep and said that he was for a smaller state government a smaller budget lower taxes but every single year using the state legislature he voted for higher spending than the governor both governor patrick and governor baker and lastly he runs on a campaign that he is for small businesses but yet when he was in the state legislature when there was a proposal to increase the requirements for unemployment which would have driven down the cost of our high cost of unemployment insurance he voted against it and i was a business owner and uh you know so he says one thing and does another and i wish i had a debate a really highlight that he's kind of a failed career politician that says one thing and does another well you did i mean in this just have the record act you did have one debate on howie car show on rko that is correct correct that is correct one debate okay hot television fair enough uh chris doty before you go you have agreed if you were the winner in the primary to join us tomorrow we wish you luck and if that were to happen we look forward to seeing you tomorrow chris thanks so much for your time good luck today well thank you and everyone go out and vote well we hope they do joining us now is another guy who's running for the republican nomination for governor who has also agreed to join us tomorrow if he is the winner of his primary that'd be former state rep jeff diehl jeff diehl good to talk to you hey jim how you doing is marjorie there yeah i certainly am thanks for joining us jeff appreciate it so i'm going to thank you i'm going to ask you the same question i asked uh your opponent you know which is more important jeff deal to get the endorsement of former president donald trump or to get the endorsement of legendary boston herald columnist howie carr who used to be with you and he changed his mind so what matters more look in the republican primary i'm i'm very happy to have the endorsement of the president and uh look it's it's something that i obviously supported him in 2016. he knows uh that we share the same vision of trying to put people first and uh he gave us four years of what i thought was a great economy uh better foreign policy than we've got right now and my goal for massachusetts is to do what i was doing in the legislature which is working for the people of the state even if it cost me committee positions by my own republican leadership you know i led the repeal of the index gas tax in massachusetts it was for the folks who just really were having trouble you know affording massachusetts to begin with we lost 50 000 people out of our state last year because of affordability we've got to make housing more affordable we need better transportation solutions i've got that experience on beacon hill and i'm a small business owner that understands what it's like to invest your life savings and try to grow a business in massachusetts you know jeff deal uh you covered uh a bit of what we're about to broach which is what are the primary differences between you and your republican opponent chris doty what's to recommend you over doty well in a republican primary i know maybe your listenership doesn't agree with us but he voted for hillary clinton that to me seems like a disqualifier but i guess he's gonna cross that bridge with the the voters so we'll see where that goes but ultimately again i have that hybrid experience my wife and i have a 20 year old business plus i worked as a manufacturing representative i still do right now you know he tries to say i'm a career politician it's so funny i was in the legislature for eight years i was 40 years old when i ran for office for the first time hell of a career in politics right but anyway i'll leave that aside fact of the matter is i'm excited about the chance to go back to beacon hill in the corner office work with legislators that i've known from the past that are very reasonable i think you guys know republicans and democrats actually i think agree on about 80 of what we vote on up at the state house yeah there's wedge issues every now and again even governor baker has been vetoed and overwritten by the legislature but ultimately it's about reaching that compromise and that's something that i understand and want to achieve are you concerned about the state of the republican party in general i don't mean their political leanings we can do that discussion with you tomorrow should you be the nominee but the fact that the numbers are dwindling and obviously i hope everybody knows if you're registered unenrolled you can choose either primary to vote in today we should have made that clear at the top of the show are you concerned about the dwindling numbers for your own party in the state jeff deal well you know i mean the problem has been that for a long time nobody's done anything to try to you know at least push a fairly conservative message to get people to want to be a republican so i think that uh you know we've got new leadership uh in 2019 of the state party uh before that you know i wasn't getting support from the mass gop so you know i think now we're giving people a reason to get back involved again they have candidates that i think people can believe in that that are talking more about what's important to the average people people than special interests or you know typical political talking points and that's what i've always been about again i was uh 40 years old i'd never been involved in politics in my life in 2010 and i just i ran and i beat an incumbent who was the vice chair of education if you speak about the issues that matter to your community you can win and i think that's what republicans need to get back to so jeff it is election day it's raining like crazy outside what's your plan for today where are you going what are you doing and where are you going to be uh if it is a celebration tonight celebrating tonight oh well look i'll be in weymouth at a bar called a restaurant called precinct 10 uh tonight for the victory party um my running mate leah allen should be joining me we hope to have good news obviously for everybody but i'm down in the south coast right now in fall river and uh you know we're just crisscrossing the state everywhere we can go to talk to people who are at polls and let them know that we thank them for their hard work to get the vote out and we really appreciate the opportunity to be their nominee for the next two months uh for the general election yeah geoff deal before you go i mentioned at the top that both you and your opponent have agreed should you win the primary day to join us tomorrow you'd do it in studio one of the last times you were in studio with us you attempted to bribe marjorie by giving her a bottle of liquor is your intention to do that again tomorrow should you be there look i was prepping her to move to canada with that canadian club his trumpet just won so trump has just won i went through the bottle in the first week actually marjorie thank you when i win i don't know what drink you're gonna need when i win but just let me know i'll make sure we get you a steady stream he will be with us tomorrow if chris dodie is the winner he'll be with us tomorrow jeff lots of luck it's really good to talk to you thanks for calling in thank you very much jeff and good luck today take care you too jeff deal uh joining us now is she here i believe yes yes she is is one of the two remaining candidates for attorney general on the democratic side that is shannon liz reardon shannon welcome to the show good to talk to you thank you so much thank you for having me yeah thank you for very much for joining us so first just tell us what you what you're doing today where you going what you're going to be doing tonight what's your plan for the day well i've been continued to be all across the state and right now i'm between springfield and worcester i voted this morning in brookline i joined mayor wu at a polling place in boston um i'm going to be in new bedford tonight then i'll be back in boston so getting out everywhere across the state so you were a short lived you ran for the senate for a short period of time obviously you're all in on the attorney general think what's it take away i don't mean on the issues what's a big takeaway from you for months of campaigning across massachusetts what do you take home with it well i've been talking to voters all across massachusetts for months and i know that our message is resonating that people understand this is a very important office that calls for a seasoned experienced lawyer that is that is who i am i have been going up against some of the most powerful interests in this country for more than 20 years and i've been winning i have won back more than half a billion dollars in stolen wages for working people that is the kind of intensity and energy and skills and experience and passion i'm going to put into fighting for all of the people across massachusetts workers consumers the environment generous riot and one of the you have been uh criticized by your opponent about self-funding your campaign of the tune i think of nine million bucks you or your campaign have criticized andrea campbell in terms of dark money contributors with pac stuff it what's your response to the criticism that's been directed at you yeah i think it's a cynical view that my opponent has that somehow the voters in massachusetts can be fought i'm just getting my message out and i know that that message is resonating you know i'm not a politician so i don't come in with a silicon political audience um i'm a lawyer that is what i've been doing i have been winning for the people for years and the message is resonating this is an important job i'm the only candidate in the race who is an actual practicing lawyer i am the only candidate who has run a law firm i have my work has shaped industries and helped protect our rights across massachusetts for more than two decades i'm looking forward to bringing that experience to work and win for all the people across massachusetts we're talking to uh shanellis reardon who's running the democratic ticket for attorney general so give us the major differences that voters should know about and how you would operate as attorney general versus andrea campbell yeah well like i said i'm the only candidate who has run a law firm i know how to do this i will be ready on day one i've got more than 23 years experience i see this race as a job interview i asked the people of massachusetts to think about who would they hire to be their lawyer if they needed a lawyer this is a job that is representing the people of massachusetts i'm so honored to have the support of senator elizabeth warren boston mayor michelle wu former boston mayor kim joney as well as the asl cio and more than 50 unions across massachusetts to represent more than half a million working people say is this fun tell the truth raise your right hand shannon this reared is this campaigning like this fun i am i'm raising my right hand i'm having so much fun i'm a trial lawyer remember so i don't sleep i burn the candle on all ends so i have really enjoyed getting out there talking with folks all across massachusetts and hearing about what their needs are and what they are looking for from their next attorney general i plan to serve all the people of massachusetts make the office more accessible for people who have all kinds of complaints your employer hasn't paid you properly or a company is trying to scam you or you're not getting the health care that you need i'm going to be i'm going to be there for all of these issues and more and i'm going to put my knowledge of how to use the legal system to work for everyone across massachusetts generalist ridden we really appreciate your time good luck tonight thank you so much thank you very much you're listening to boston public radio we're going to take a quick break after we come back we're going to talk with dianna dizzoglio she's on the democratic ticket candidate for alder you are and after that we're going to talk to tony casey who used to be triniqua's narrative oh now she is a married lady she's going to talk about sports up next you're listening to boston public radio we have broadcasting lives we do every tuesday and friday from the boston public library [Music] from gbh news i'm mary blake join me tonight for special coverage of the 2022 massachusetts primary elections we'll bring you live updates and analysis on the biggest races and talk about the issues facing your community as we wait to hear who will be on your november ballot the 2022 massachusetts primary elections starting tonight at 8 here on gbh 89 7 and streaming online gbhnews.org our programs are made possible thanks to you and heights crossing an assisted living community offering residents experiences aimed at promoting independence inspiring curiosity and encouraging connection with others more at heights crossing dot com slash enrich and walden local meat 100 grass-fed and pasture-raised beef pork and chicken from local farms hand delivered to your door committed to supporting a better food system membership options and more at waldenlocalmeat.com [Music] welcome back to boston public radio jim browdy and marjorie and it's primary election day go out and vote damn it this 20-some percent thing is total bs as far as i'm concerned make uh make an impact have an impact we are live at the boston public library and we're continuing our tradition today that we've done for a couple of decades margie and i inviting every single candidate in a contested statewide race to join us they will all be here we've talked to the two republicans running for governor chris doty jeff deal one of the two democrats for attorney general uh shanalis reardon one of the two democrats running for auditor chris dempsey the other democrat running for auditor is joining us now state senator dianna desaglio senator it's good to talk to you hey jim and marjorie great to be here thanks so much for the gracious invitation to speak with your listeners today thank you so much for joining us so speaking of today election day pouring rain election day what are you doing what's your strategy for for today diana zaglia what are you doing honestly uh this is i've run for office several times now a former state representative current state senator uh guys i have a little bit of an echo back there if anybody can help out with that that would be great oh we'll work on it we'll try thank you i appreciate it so we're doing you know same thing that we've always done which is make sure we're calling everybody we're encouraging people to get out to vote like you said jim uh it's a low voter turnout is always a challenge when we have a primary election happening the day after labor day people are just getting back from vacation uh and getting the kids back to school so it is a challenging day plus the rain but look we're staying optimistic we're staying positive and we're calling folks and we're reminding folks on social media sending out our emails and hoping that people remember to come out and vote it's an incredibly important election you know diana desaglio i worry as we said to chris dempsey that the vast majority of voters distracted by the end of summer the election is the day after labor day which is a nightmare hopefully that'll get changed in the future don't even know what the important functions of the auditor are what are the most important ones to you uh senator yeah so the sick auditor is the state's chief accountability officer she is responsible for making sure the state agencies and state leaders are held accountable across the board a lot of folks think of state auditor's role in terms of you know finances only but actually she's a person that also holds state agencies accountable regarding things like qualitative issues for example procedures and processes across state government a little bit about myself look i was going to a 17 year old single mom i was very housing insecure i moved around quite a bit during my childhood depending on where my mom could find work as a young single mom i ended up graduating from public schools going through our local community college middlesex community college and uh through a full financial scholarship to wellesley was able to become the first in my family to graduate i know what it's like to struggle and i have to be scrappy to make ends meet and i know how important it is that investments made so your tax dollars are used efficiently effectively and wisely not only because it's another child's future opportunities that are put at risk with every wasted dollar but also because we work hard for our tax dollars as working families in the state of massachusetts and we need to make sure that we have a proven watchdog who's able to go up to beacon hill as an ex-state auditor speak truth to power and make sure that we're keeping a close eye on how those tax dollars are being spent every wasted dollar is another uh climate change initiative that's passed over it's another transportation issue the passover we need to make sure that we are preserving those tax dollars and i have committed to do a safety audit of the mbta i'm the only candidate in the greatest committed to auditing the legislature uh and we have a lot of work to do implementing my social justice and equity audit plan which can be found on my website www.dianaforma.com please check that out we have a lot of work to do regarding the state's uh diversity equity and inclusion components in our state contracting and procurement procedures gbh has done some great reporting on this only .005 percent of state contracts actually go out to minority businesses we have a lot of work to do on housing we have a lot of work to do across the board so i'm excited to get to work implementing my audit plan and i do encourage folks to check out my website if you still have questions i hope to earn your support exactly we have less than a minute left but tell us in that time what's the major difference between you and your opponent chris dempsey look i have a proven track record up on beacon hill i'm standing out there seeking truth to power regardless of party affiliation i am a democrat i am serving in my 10th year in the state legislature currently serving as a state senator what i have been most known for is championing issues of transparency accountability and equity i'm the only candidate in this race who is going to be conducting a full audit and an investigation into the abuse of your tax dollars regarding taxpayer funded non-disclosure agreements with violent harassment discrimination victims across state government and i'm the only candidate in this race who's willing to conduct an audit of the state legislature they should not be above the law i'm also the only candidate committed to conducting a safety audit of the mbpa thank you so much for your time thanks so much everybody i hope to see you out at the polls get out and vote okay we very much appreciate amen that was diana dizzoglio she is democratic candidate for auditor you're listening to boston public radio 897 gbh quick break we'll be back with trenny kuznerick nay trenny nope she's trey tony casey now she used to be 20 because naric she's going to fill us in for the latest sports headlines up next again boston public radio 89 7 broadcasting live 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at youtube.com gbh news just a programming note we spoke to five of the candidates running for statewide office in contested primaries at the top of the show in the middle of the show we'll speak to all the candidates running for lieutenant governor of the democratic side and we'll end the show with the remaining candidates in all the contested races we do this every primary or regular election day final election day and we're thrilled to be continuing today but first serena williams supposedly played her final professional match dennis on friday losing in the third round of the u.s open joining us to discuss the legendary career of the 23-time grand slam champion and the saudi golf tour coming to town is a woman who is here wearing a and i voted button that would be trenny casey she is nbc sports boston reporter and anchor hello there trinity and congratulations thanks for getting married thanks she's a newlywed [Music] gorgeous pictures of you and your handsome husband and your gorgeous wedding dress which is before we get to sports yes everything went well it was it was like better than i ever could have imagined it was three we did like it's kind of it was a long wedding we're not we're not um i know indians tend to have that's like a very indian tradition you have like a three-day wedding it's usually epic and there are elephants we didn't have the elephants but we had the epic it was really why didn't you have the elephants well because i mean you know it's not really they're hard to get in vermont can you do 60 seconds on uh trenny casey for those who are saying yeah yeah like why am i changing my last name i know it's weird especially because i'm obviously super liberal and a feminist and i think a lot of people were surprised um quite frankly jim i hate my last name was so hard to say cause generic is hard and it's long and it's polish and then you put it together with treni and it's a mouthful and every time i go somewhere i have to be like it's t-r-e-n-n-n-i okay what's your last name cosmeric uh could you spell that too and it's just it's honestly you go to the airport and it's like you know jim browdy uh marjorie egan and is there and there's always a pause cause they're trying to figure out my first name and they're trying to figure out my last name but also after act like getting married and like having a husband i do realize that it's it's you know we're not gonna have children um we're still past that stage um we're both in our mid-40s and choose to not to not venture into that at this point and so we're each other's family and so it is it was kind of as i like thought more about it it is important to me to you know he's you know we're a family we're the casey's what's his first name brother sean now the thing though that you haven't experienced not the baseball player by the way i don't have to be heavy about this but i feel i have to ask it he changed his name to sean kuzner i actually said if i had casey would you change it he was like i would never change my name to his credit though when i said i was gonna change my name i mean to this day he said are you really gonna go on the radio today and on tv and change your name yep she's done it and i said i'm going to and he says you know you don't have to like you're this is who you are this is who you've always been for your entire career and i was like yeah but it's so much easier to pronounce we're really happy for both of you we look forward to seeing you and now you're done thanks so much for now we are yes okay so let's move to this uh live golf golf spectacle uh funded by saudi arabia i read tara sullivan's piece in the globe and some other things about it and there seems to be an excitement even though they're not on tv about the sport that i predict is spelling change for the pga if not trouble for the pga i mean maybe you know she did say so obviously we were out of town i wasn't able to attend and i didn't watch because in fact only 166 000 people watched it on youtube so this is not something that's quite frankly garnering a ton of attention but it's new and it's shiny right well whether or not it sparks change i think the biggest thing margaery is the money is so massive like cameron smith who played i think through the final is going to play through the fedex cup um and through the the remainder of the pga tour see the number two guy yeah he's gonna he's gonna leave for live golf and he was what i liked about what he had to say is that he was honest he's like this is life-changing money the money they're throwing at these guys is so incredible but at some point you also have to make money back like i mean how you know i don't care how rich you are you're you're wealthy because you're smart right you're a smart business person if you continue to amass wealth and if this does not bring money back how much longer can they continue to pay for these guys forever for it's the saudi government you know what i mean can i tell you something the two things i read uh tara sullivan's piece but it's not or does it become an embarrassment to the saudi government if it's not successful why i don't uh maybe i don't know fireworks whoever even though i am appalled by this whole thing with the saudis and all this this crap tortured uh convolutions these golfers go through to explain why it's such a good idea who was the golf was it smith last week who said it's about the money yeah i mean i still don't like it but at least one guy that and that's what i said this is all about money i mean let's be honest if they came to you or me or marjorie and said you know what guys we need a radio voice or we need a sideline reporter and we're going to pay you 15 million dollars a year how could you i'm going to be honest i'm i would probably put my morals can i be honest you wouldn't no because she's gonna mock me and i know it it's just like think about that that's what i said it's been a nice nice duo here yeah exactly real you got to be like it's like people who say they're going to keep working their day job if they win the lottery i mean that essentially is winning the lottery if you sign a three-year deal with 45 or 50 million dollars guaranteed like that you are talking about life-changing money and these guys are signing deals that are 10 times that we're talking 115 million it's not just that it's not just that i mean we've been doing tremendous business for decades now with the chinese who are doing horrible things to their own people within their you mean our government our government yeah joe biden just went over and met with the the crown prince in saudi arabia so there's a lot of around are you good with that i wasn't good with that but so that's all you got to do you see the question is you know by the way just like jesus let me ask you this do you check the label of everything you buy to make sure no i'm sure i have some troubles exactly but this is right in your face by the way it is and i want to by the way i've told this story a few weeks ago i'm going to tell it anyway because ken burns is coming out to see us on monday is a new six-hour documentary about uh the holocaust margie and i are doing an event with ken burns and lynn novak at some big hall in town with thousands of people there a couple of years ago came to see him and uh at one point uh ken burns i won't tell you what the underlying thing was turns to me and says obviously you're a better person than i am to me and just like you did and obviously and marjorie interjected and said i wouldn't go that far and that was the end of that in any case so uh the one thing i will say about this though that i do like and this is touched on by tara sullivan i hate that this this golf thing yes i like that they were throwing beers uh uh free beer out the people i don't give them enough money either this and by the way the baseball a similar thing there was a story the other day about the new first baseman for the first time for the red sox who before his first game in the major leagues takes his socks his shirt off and goes lies in the outfield just in his shorts and nothing else on his back that's the kind of out of the box kind of thing people should be doing in every sport and while i condemn the outlive tour for their funding their creativity should be adopted by the pga well don't you think it's obvious that the pj is going to be like you really want like i don't know i don't i like i don't like their format i don't like a shotgun start because there is something about building up shotgun start means everyone starts at the same time so instead of having rolling two times where like i would start at seven oh seven o'clock you would start at seven whole number one on hole number one i don't like that you would start on hole one two you go one through eighteen and i'm at the entertainment value part of it i mean if you like tossing t-shirts into the stands and beer bottles well you know i wonder because a lot of people that you hear that like to watch golf that aren't even golfers they watch it because it's kind of like slow tv yes it's it's sort of soothing and it's cool it's a napkin a little shot up from the tee and the 18th hole and all that kind of stuff and the beautiful views oh beautiful views i don't think there's something to be said for it's fair it's quiet right tiger woods is still phil mickelson or now rory mcilroy is standing on the 18th and he's putting for a tournament and it is dead silent and the minute he taps that ball the place is there's actually a crescendo to everything as opposed to it just being like everything now you know and listen i love the nba and i've grown to love the nba but if you go to an nba game it's music during the play and it's constantly things going on and like i actually went and this is i mean this is a decade ago the pittsburgh pirates did an old time baseball game where for the entire game they didn't do any in-game entertainment nothing nothing on the video screen i was and i was oh it was amazing jim it actually was amazing as you felt like you were watching baseball and the people of course it was such a success that they were almost embarrassed because they're like our whole job here is to do all of this other you know extraneous things around um i'm pointing to you oh jamie that people you know there's all these other things going on like that's what we do for a living that's our job and people liked it better when it was just quiet i think there's a happy medium i think maybe the pg and i think the pga is going to have to make some adjustments because according at least to tara sullivan's article and then i forget who wrote sort of the more nuts and bolts the article of it there were a fair number of young people there and young people aren't exactly the target audience for golf right now and if if that's who's going to be tuning in at some point um they may be getting in on the ground level of something in the pga pga tour at least at the very least has to pay attention so we're talking to trinity training casey i know it's going to be hard our sports expert here from in boston nbc sports boston so we're going to talk to you about the patriots offense however we read beth tytell's great piece about people who signed up to get patriots season tickets like decades ago some guy finally got the tickets he's 69 and he's a grandfather isn't sure he wants to go to gillette anymore that's amazing okay so i'm going to make fun of this a little bit because i come from a place where this kind of story is like oh you had to wait 20 years for tickets do you know that people put unborn children on the list at grandpa for the green bay packers some people die before you ever get tickets like the waiting list is the waiting list is not two decades long it's like 50 60 years oh my god you people will literally but like when the baby is like in utero and they've named it and they found out what it is they will put the child when the list opens they will put that child on the list there's there are rules in green bay that you cannot you can only put i think the only people you can pass your tickets like will your tickets to are direct next of kin so like grandparents i think can give them to grandchildren parents can certainly give them to children but like you can't give them to cousins like it stops at a certain point within a certain portion of the family tree because they are so coveted so while i get what they're saying that it's that's just the nfl now i mean that's nfl if you have a successful football team everybody wants to go it's a huge it's it's an experience um and and that's just i think the price of being good i will say this if the patriots for some reason go through uh you know a prolonged um time of mediocrity or maybe even not being good those names will come off that list far more i totally understand wanting a season ticket as you say when brady is playing the greatest strings in history the thing i understand is there's no better television sport i know than football there's no worse sport to sit in the freezing cold i know then football one game a year if somebody's nice enough to invite me i love to go to a game it's great one game the notion that people wait in line for decades to sit in the green bay even colder by the way i was so happy but we're going to the packers patriots game at lambeau yeah it's my it's my wedding gift to my now husband oh that's uh but it's october 2nd and i was so happy when the games came out so i was like thank god we don't go there in december when it's freezing i will say this but jim like we have a friend he goes to games with his dad he's been going to games with his father since he was a child and so there's a tradition to it i think for a lot of people and let's be honest there's also if you can get on the list and you don't want to go like maybe you only want to go to one or two games a year then you just sell them and you make that money back to pay for your tickets if you're a business person you use i think there are like many different ways that people use their season tickets they're beneficial to have and if they are good again if mac jones becomes the second coming of tom brady and you have season tickets then when they're winning super bowl like you get priority to all the playoff games and all these other things so there is i think still value in having actual physical tickets by the way people are texting when i said i wouldn't take 15 million for the saudis for radio show make me an offer and then we can talk yeah i mean it's an abstract so yeah we're talking about the case it's very easy to easy so let's talk about serena williams just retired from tennis very magical last week as several of the headlines have pointed out we have a little sound from her after her final match and she was talking about the past few decades of her career and her family and it's pretty it's pretty tearful here it thank is that's here that's been on my side so many years decades oh my gosh literally decades um but it all started with my parents and they deserve everything so i'm really grateful for them oh my god these are happy tears i guess i don't know um and i wouldn't be i wouldn't be serena if there wasn't venus so pretty good so i finally watched king richard oh about i thought i watched it on the plane and wasn't it great it was a perfect time to watch it because even i i guess wasn't aware how much sereno was in venus's shadow at the beginning which makes it interesting because then now seen the movie yeah to me that moment is even more poignant um where you know the two of them it was venus who was the biggest she's a big story she's also a little bit older right but when they first took them to the coach who coached um pete sampras and i think mcenroe the coach at the time saw something in venus but said i'll only coach her he wouldn't coach serena and so serena always had to fight for everything but in this movie and i think it's fairly accurate um because i think both williams sisters had a lot to say like they both promoted the yeah it's not a documentary obviously but it's i think pretty will smith yeah yeah um the father said that he knew richard williams knew from from an early age that serena would be bigger he said venus may be number one but you'll be the best that ever played again whether or not um it doesn't seem like it i i in the olympics when you did they were um they did they did play doubles together and i think they only you know what i actually think they might have lost in the first round because i don't remember if i ever actually interviewed the two of them together and i know venus is only opportunity to win a medal and she did end up winning silver and mixed doubles on the 2016 olympics um but i think they might have lost i don't think i ever had a chance to interview them together but i actually i think they're quite close despite everything they that they went through um and having to compete against one another um yeah i think they still i mean listen who knows right like we don't know what actually goes on behind the scenes who knows i don't know if you know the answer to this one either she has 23 grand slam titles serena williams one short of the old time record record the australian i didn't even know margaret court was alive and then yesterday she speaks and she basically says i've always admired serena as work and she's never admired or commented about mine and i had no idea what was behind that and i did a little bit of reading last night and it seems that uh court has taken a lot of crap for coming out against same-sex marriage is that that is that what led to her sort of fall from grace such as i mean i don't even know if it was so much a fall from grace it's just i think more the era in which she played where it was so much earlier like so much prior to big television contracts a big world you know women's tennis association um tv right all the things because if my memory served she played in like she played even before billie jean king did yeah but but what's his face aaron judge is potentially going to break roger marissa yeah but that's the record for the americans and they talk about marriage but think about how big baseball was at the time women's tennis in the you know in the 50s and 60s it was really until billie jean king sort of forced the notion it was sort of an afterthought like women's sports whereas baseball if anything now it's amazing they're still talking about aaron judge in relation to roger maris because many think that the the players who played in that era were actually better you know true peer baseball players just because of the way the sport nutrition and everything else has evolved i i think it's a little can i be honest i saw the headline of the story i thought why why now margaret court like why you had all these years where she's been chasing your number and she's and she's never brought it up until now yeah so so now you now you want more now you want attention and now you want the spotlight to be back on you and i'm sure that that's difficult but i also feel a little bit like you know you're a grown woman you know unless serena has done something unless she has actually actively talked about you in a negative manner i'm not sure why you have to make it about you that was my that was the first reaction quick question before you go what was it like at your polling place when you voted this morning um there actually were a couple people there is where i live okay so it's like in it's i live uh in the north end waterfront area and it's right there so i literally just had to like walk downstairs um but there were people there um there was two women in front of me and somebody somebody who walked in behind me um i mean like nothing like it is on a presidential election day you know where i used to vote at this like i was at this school in the line yeah i remember um the year that it was trump versus hillary i mean the line was down the block and around the corner so it wasn't like that but these these elections are so important like everything that happens that you really that you complain about it's local government that makes the change hey casey congratulations to you and sean absolutely spectacular gorgeous bridal dress tony casey she's also besides being a new bride she's the anchor reporter for nbc sports boston and bpr contributor we're going to be talking with more candidates as jim said later in the show but up next we're going to talk to the aclu's carol rose he's she's here to discuss their election campaigns to increase voter participation and the appointment of a special master in the mar-a-lago classified documents caper you are listening to boston public radio 897 gbh live from the boston public library [Music] you're listening to boston public radio with jim browdy and marjorie egan just ahead more smart conversation about what's going on in our community that's right after an npr news break here on gbh news 89 7. for a new kitchen or bathroom and guiding you from design to completion with showrooms in york and portland maine atlanticdesignctr.com learn how officials fed lies about the 2020 election and embraced rhetoric that led to political violence and undermined american democracy watch frontline lies politics and democracy tonight at 9 on gbh2 i'm matt baskin assignment editor for gbh news and you're listening to 897 wgbh wgbh hd1 boston online at gbhnews.org boston's local npr [Music] [Music] live from npr news in washington i'm windsor johnston the biden administration is preparing to roll out the latest round of covet 19 booster shots the latest doses developed by pfizer and moderna target the highly contagious omicron variants which are now the dominant strains in the u.s speaking at the white house president biden's chief medical advisor dr anthony fauci strongly encouraged americans to get the new shots as soon as possible my message to you is simple get your updated covert 19 shot as soon as you are eligible and your community against covert 19 this fall and winter i certainly will do so the biden administration says the new boosters will remain available at no cost in the united states and are expected to be widely available within the next week students are returning to school today in uvalde texas four months after 19 children and two teachers were killed at an elementary school in the city that school remains closed texas public radio's camille phillips reports district officials say they put plans in place to support families campus monitors will roam the halls and sidewalks to make sure doors are locked a comfort dog will be on every campus for the first few weeks and every school has at least one licensed counselor each day students will have a chance to share how they're feeling some schools have new 8-foot fences but they still need to be installed on most campuses the district is also still in the process of installing new security cameras and figuring out how they will be monitored for some families these steps aren't enough they've chosen to enroll in the district's virtual option or found another alternative instead i'm camille phillips in uvalde parts of northwest georgia are dealing with severe flooding after thunderstorms dropped about a foot of rain yesterday npr's rebecca hirscher reports such rain storms are becoming more common because of climate change when such a huge amount of rain falls in a short period of time it can't soak into the ground in georgia the extreme rain on monday caused creeks to overtop their banks and flood neighborhoods and roads the drinking water in at least one town was disrupted after flash flooding hit a treatment plant such intense rainstorms are becoming more routine as the earth gets hotter that's because a warmer atmosphere can hold more moisture so places that used to get moderate amounts of rain during thunderstorms now often get a dangerous deluge that includes in georgia between 1958 and 2016 the amount of rain falling in such storms in the southeastern u.s increased by nearly a third rebecca hirscher npr news you're listening to npr news in washington good afternoon with the latest from the gbh newsroom i'm henry santoro in brookline we begin with an update from barnstable the ballots that were locked in a safe are still in there and officials still have not been able to fix the broken lock and the broken can't handle on that safe that is the bad news the good news is that the polls have opened and some precincts have received hand-printed ballots election officials ask that you please be kind and pack a little patience as election volunteers get the polling stations up and running they say that an additional update on extended voting time for the town will come from secretary bill galvin's office sometime this afternoon and it is primary day here in massachusetts voters are heading to the polls despite the rain and maybe a lock safe john kennedy was casting his ballot in brighton this morning he says elections should have special status it's extremely important that anyone who lives in this country should be a vote on voting day you know actually they should make it a holiday it's today's big statewide races are in today's big statewide races massachusetts attorney general maura healey running unopposed for the democratic gubernatorial nomination former state rep jeff deal and businessman chris doughty squaring off in the republican primary for governor and former boston city councilor andrea campbell and labor lawyer shannon lewis reardon competing for the democratic attorney general nomination jay mcmahon is seeking the republican a.g nomination he's doing that unopposed and the rain is falling putting a damper on some elections but hey i'm heading out right now to go cast my votes and you should too this is gbh news support for npr comes from npr stations other contributors include fisher investments wealth management offering guidance on retirement income social security and estate planning more at fisherinvestments.com clearly different money management investing in securities involves the risk of loss [Music] hey it's jim browdy i am marjorie and you're listening to boston public radio 897 gbh we are back at the boston public library where we broadcast from every tuesday and every friday hello again jim yeah hi marjorie how are you i'm good so first day back we were all for a long time marjorie particularly was off for i think you were off for a longer doesn't really matter but the point i was trying to make is what we're doing today is what we're doing every friday vacation days i did take vacations without uh what we're doing today is what we're doing every primary and final election day we invite every single candidate in a contested primary if it's a primary day to join us democrats and republicans they have all agreed to participate today we had five in the beginning of the segment we'll have the three lieutenant governor candidates in about 45 or 50 minutes and then the two candidates for secretary of state and andrea campbell the other candidate we spoke to generous reardon for attorney general so we will hit them all today and by the way we shouldn't if you didn't listen to the top of the show these are not our typical interviews that go 20 25 minutes or a half hour they're five-minute opportunities for candidates to make their final pitch right these are not the tough interview questions thing for which jim browdy has gained a reputation well most of our listeners think i'm not tough but regardless these are softballs as we say okay and yes we are live for those who are saying are you really back from vacation sadly for some of you we are back from vacation having said that joining us now after that long introduction is the executive director of the civil liberties union of massachusetts that would be car rose hello carol hello nice to be here and happy voting day well before we get to all the the voting issues i want to talk about this special master uh that's been that's going to be appointed to oversee this confiscating or taking all these documents to mar-a-lago many of which are are classified or top secret of that kind of thing right um what do you think well i think it's really shocking um you know i think the judge in in appointing a special master on this it's really unusual uh because the documents were seized pursuant to a search warrant which is a pretty uh common thing to have happen uh and there's sort of two issues that arise from it you know one is this whole question of executive privilege against the executive branch itself for somebody who's no longer in office so that in and of itself because the justice department is part of the same branch it's part of the same branch right so that in and of itself is really unusual but the other thing that's even as troubling if not more troubling is the fact that there seems to be sort of two sets of of laws the one is the set of laws that judge cannon raised with regard to being concerned about uh donald trump's privacy issues but that doesn't exist when anybody else gets a search warrant i mean if you are subject to a search warrant a probable call search warrant which this was and uh and you say well i'm gonna hide my documents uh my false tax returns in my diary and that's private that isn't an excuse or i'm gonna steal some diamonds and and put them into my personal wardrobe that's not an excuse so in effect what the judge seems to be saying is that there's sort two sets of laws one for donald trump and the other for all the rest of us and that's not equal justice you know a couple of things a couple of points here the media correctly is going out of their way considering that virtually nobody including most sane republican legal experts have said this is extraordinary it's shocking but she's doing this and by the way she is saying that the justice department can't do any further investigation including questioning of witnesses about the documents until the special master is finished here's the question that i don't think was explored adequately at all in the extensive coverage this weekend she the trump appointee and by the way most trump appointees on the 60 plus cases filed around the election ruled against donald trump in virtually every single case here's an exception here she will pick the special master what happens when she picks someone from the federalist society like she is right who isn't uh like a lunatic like john eastman or rudy giuliani who's out there who is a quiet trump supporter like she is right who she knows has great sympathy for the former president but doesn't have a paper trail like an eastman or a giuliani and the special master is as in the tank as she appears to be what happens then well then i think it really undermines respect for the rule of law i mean because if we have one set of rules for donald trump who's not a president right now right we have one set of rules for him and a different set of rules for the rest of us then it really undermines this whole notion of equality before the law and i think that's not only detrimental in to this particular investigation which clearly it is but it really is detrimental to our whole system of law the rule of law and and faith in our democracy and i think that's incredibly damaging and i really hope that the department of justice appeals and that the 11th circuit will overturn this because it's i think it's tremendously damaging from a systemic point of view not just in terms of this particular investigation well you mentioned the appeal on the 11th circuit um uh many commentators have said that well the appeal could drag this out endlessly and the 11th circuit is one of the most conservative courts in the entire nation except for maybe the supreme court so what does this mean besides the rule of law ruled against trump too by the way eight to one with ginny thomas's husband being the only uh outlier go ahead but what does this mean for the this investigation itself i mean this is pretty big deal stuff especially when there have been reports about nuclear uh documents involving yes and and sources and methods and all that kind of stuff i mean does this mean this will drag on for another year or two years oh it could drag on and on and then it gets closer and closer to 2024 so i mean this just really will undermine i think the public faith in our judiciary which already has been undermined by the supreme court and i think it will really undermine the overall public sense of whether or not the rule of law exists and if trump is a candidate in 2024 does this investigation simultaneously continue while he's running for office i think that i think what he's trying to do is to delay the investigation long enough so that then he can become a candidate and then it becomes hard to say well isn't this a politically motivated investigation so that's why the department of justice is trying to move both methodically and expeditiously at the same time because they we they want to find out what's going on before it becomes more politicized than what it is if they appeal they're not going to be moving expeditiously well they have no choice well judge but you know in all fairness judges are not idiots they're not captive of donald trump's lawyers if it turns out the judges want to expedite this because they believe this judge cannon's decision was as unjust or shocking as you do they can expedite those things too i mean they can well i guess it depends once again as we talked about endlessly during the trump presidency he has rather some would say revolutionize the judiciary by his ability to appoint so many justices including federal judges voted against him in his election cases well that was not they were not all trump people no but every trump judge who had an opportunity to rule on a a a petition or a lawsuit filed by trump's lawyers around the election every single one uh ruled against them well we have a trump justice in this case which seems to be not in that not always and so i think what's going to be interesting now is if other people try to raise this defense i mean there's thousands and thousands of search warrants that go out and you know let's say they pick up your they get your cell phone because you've used your cell phone for drug dealing and then suddenly but that cell phone also has stuff about your therapist and also has stuff about your private life right um how'd you know that stuff about my therapist oh oh sorry about that i agreed not to talk no but i you know so you don't get that as a defense right you can't say well you seized my phone that had criminal stuff on it and therefore you can't look at anything else that's never it's truly unheard of it's really unprecedented so the question then becomes either everybody gets to raise that defense and let me tell you people will be raising it or alternatively there's a different set of rules for donald trump than for everyone else and as you know now chief now justice katanji brown jackson wrote when she was on the dc circuit our presidents are not kings they're not going to treat them as kings but but just just to clarify because you guys are lawyers and i'm not my understanding is that if there were a search warrant for joe or jane smith regular people right and they did get their therapist reports or some other thing right unless they're obviously they're relevant to the case they're not going to be reading their therapy reports in the middle of the trial right but they don't pause the criminal investigation well that's where somebody else is investigation which she obviously did not have to do she could have approached the special master without doing that correctly since you mentioned clarence thomas very briefly uh since we saw you last there's yet another state legislative leadership that we learned the ginny thomas the way tyrant thomas reached out to urging them to overturn the election results i think was wisconsin i'm not yeah arizona and then wisconsin is there any vehicle for looking into the behavior not only of jenny thomas and she's a private citizen right is there any vehicle for looking at the behavior and the potential ethical violations of her husband yeah harvard law school professor larry tribe thinks that there are some criminal statutes that they could look at that would require him to recuse himself right that if he fails to do so but otherwise you know it doesn't seem to be any way to force his supreme court justice to recuse themselves if in fact they have a conflict of interest and it's pretty evident that clarence thomas has a conflict of interest on these issues that his wife is involved with um and so you know one if his good conscience which i think we've always relied on norms right and and now all these norms are breaking down we might need to have congress pass a law can i quote marjorie about john roberts yes john you've said repeatedly how dare john roberts say i'm going to get to the bottom of the leak of the dobbs decision overturning roe but not one peep about the grotesquely likely unethical behavior clearly one of his jobs he was full of baloney when he talked about his his concern for the for the integrity of the court the reputation of the court obviously he doesn't i mean that was right because roberts right and so i think i think that's you know he's lost his way i think the court has lost its way and i think it's going to be important for another branch of government to be able to step in and pass a law and that's why it matters that everybody votes by the way you see jamie raskin is running to be chair of the oversight uh commissioner because jerry nadler beat carolyn maloney right which would really be incredible we're talking to carl rose the head of the civil liberties union of massachusetts so it is election day and uh we're getting reports via text from not exactly overwhelming crowds at polling places around the commonwealth what are you doing uh to try to launch uh where you are launching these voter education series so this is something that we started about six years ago with uh what a difference a da makes it's a voter education campaign because the aclu doesn't endorse candidates we're a non-partisan organization but we do voter education for a few reasons um one is to get out the vote so people become educated and exercise their right to vote it's an important franchise and the other is that they get to know what's happening in some of these down ballot races what's called you know not just the top level but things like uh district attorneys and also now this time we're doing with know your share of campaign um and it's really interesting because we did a poll early on that showed the vast majority of people didn't know who their sheriff was didn't know that they were elected didn't know that they only report to the voters they don't they don't work for the governor or anybody else and same thing with district attorneys and yet they have tremendous power over people's lives thousands of people's lives and what we learned is what we when we go and we have we've had more than 15 different candidate forums we're working with the boston public library and with the north hampton public library and having forums for candidates and when people find out how powerful sheriffs are and how powerful district attorneys are the voting increases dramatically and so what we're trying to do is to get people to be engaged um you know because democracy is the muscle the more you exercise it the stronger it becomes and so again some of these attacks on our democracy and the rule of law that we were talking about earlier if ordinary people get out and exercise their franchise not just for the top of the ballot but for these down ballot races all of a sudden we can begin to effect change and we become a better democracy and a stronger democracy so that's what really these campaigns of know your sheriff and what a difference indeed by the way it's great you're doing it it's really terrific but two questions uh relating to that so i know you don't endorse candidates uh the most contentious race in massachusetts has been right here suffolk county mda charges against the incumbent appointed by charlie baker hayden to fill up the term rachel rollins that he deep sixth an investigation right into a transit cop he says he didn't it's a back and forth he said he said kind of thing and then uh ricardo arroyo uh uh the globe reporting that when he was in high school uh he engaged in uh uh sexual assault i guess is that the proper noun there forcing someone to perform oral sex he says i didn't do it uh he said the cops never spoke to me even though the police record says they did speak to him and his lawyer he asked the judge to release the records which is extraordinary they did he released part of the records to say it was quote unfounded the globe went out of its way to say unfounded 15 years ago means something very different from what it means now and we don't know where the records came from in the first place well he's sending out the rights he also found an ethical complaint against the incumbent guys saying one of the detectives on the case is now hayden's driver he thinks that proves so what do you advise a voter in suffolk county when all this stuff came up within two weeks of this i think it's a really hard situation and you know and it really shows how people are now paying attention to the da races i mean up until last time around we almost never had a since 1986 we hadn't even had a contested district attorney race right so i don't know enough of the facts but now that people want to be district attorney i think it's incumbent upon all of us the globe you all all of us to pay attention to these races and maybe pay attention earlier on so whatever is going on between these two candidates that would have come out a lot sooner so we're not for the global reporting we wouldn't know 90 of this you know speaking about i want to get you on the record on something that i asked you about a couple of weeks ago i think you know that margie and i talked when the late senator brian joyce was proposing a constitutional amendment to get rid of the governor's council which we totally supported he is since uh no longer with us and uh uh and it's not gonna be had to be a constitutional amendment anytime soon it's a really important job i would assume almost nobody knows who the governor's council is right they're eight of them which means their districts are as big as congress people exactly in this state uh uh and they're the people who decide who make recommendations on who should become judges so my recommendations final words right but now that's good computations pardons and so one i want you to commit you're going to do a know your governor's counselor in the next round you know because since i was last here i actually wrote an op-ed about this and put it out and said why it really matters know who your governor's council is so i actually completely agree with you and i would love to commit to have the aclu do with voter education it those are everything those are every two years well you know by the way i don't we don't endorse candidates on the air either but you know one race i've followed mar dolan who in the spirit of full disclosure we both know public defenders never been a public defender is running against the incumbent marilyn petito de vain do you remember when she was left on our show i think it was during the hair salon incident when she threw a curling iron at a person and she admitted it on the air she has misrepre she said she's endorsed by jim mcgovern tempers temperature flare at the beauticians has been my experience she said she does never know endorsed by jim mcgovern she is not endorsed by jim mcgovern she accused meredith of some kind of fraud thing it was so bad was her closing statement at a debate that the debate had tape had to be edited at the end to make clear there was and does the average person i assume they're both campaigning fairly seriously a person with broad experience would be the first public defender against someone misrepresenting who our support is uh uh at least two governor's counselors one incumbent one former have come out against her which is almost unheard of right isn't that a problem that the it's so far under the radar that it's insane it is a problem that is so far under the radar and so as we've seen i mean we weren't sure when we first started out doing you know what a difference the d.a makes that people would pay attention and the outpouring was huge and now we have contested d.a races same thing now we're seeing this with sheriffs the response has been extraordinary i think paying attention to the governor's council races and their every two years is really important that's why i wrote the op-ed last week and that's why i really think that it's important that we all pay attention because these down ballot races are where really important things happen not to mention city councils school boards and all these other races well the reason brian enjoys the late brian joyce juan to get rid of the governor's council is when you go to a governor's council meeting which i haven't been in in several years i should say but i did used to go when i was at the herald and you couldn't believe it you couldn't believe these were the people that were going to put judges in in office and it was like it's like the okay corral there was a free-for-all people ranting exactly and now we know how important who is the judge what a difference a judge makes right and so if we have the governor's council deciding who the judges are going to be not to mention things like commutations and pardons it's really important who's serving on the governor's council so i couldn't agree more and you know i think the aclu as a non-partisan organization has a great role to play here in helping local people to get educated about these races and to know that their vote really makes a difference because so few people do vote we should be clear i want to be totally clear here it is not it constitutionally you may still run for public office even if you have thrown a curling iron in some way am i not you're the constitutional expert is that correct i believe that's correct so it's not a bar it may be a consideration when you're voting but it's not a bar indeed it might be a consideration it's a consideration okay oh my god people should go to those they're they're open to the public you can check them out they're better now they are better now yeah but with all the respect i think you're sort of missing the point what's the point if eight of them were fabulous right the fact that the average person has no idea who they are i think is a problem a little bit more a little more really generous i think i didn't say you know what i was saying theoretically i think the most important thing is that people you know information is power in the hands of the voters information is power and so our job is to make sure people have the information they need on both what the power for sheriffs district attorneys governor council is and what the individual candidates believe because we have them fill out four forms and answer questions and people can go to know your sheriff aclu of massachusetts.org know your sheriff and take a look and find out what different people have before you go to vote today which is incredibly important and in two years they'll be able to go to know your governor's council know your governor's campaign okay here's the audience at the library raise your hand if you know who your governor's counselor is and don't lie raise your hand if you know nobody knows always one challenge you're telling the truth okay one guy in the whole damn audience knows who the governor's counselor is that appalling i don't mean i'm not being critical of you it's the system it's not well you should know so so we only have two minutes left here but very quickly tell us what's going on with the framingham cops and drones well right so this is a really interesting situation so the aclu technology for liberty program for a long time has been paying attention to new technologies coming online in secret that people don't know about and so one of the things we're trying to do is to make sure speaking of citizen control that there's citizen control over police surveillance or c-cops and in framingham we were able to uh work with citizens of framingham to when they when we found out and therefore they found out that their police department was going to get drones as many police departments do uh we worked with them and worked with the police department to try to get some checks and balances and a policy that would say you can't if you're using a drone for a good purpose you know finding a lost child or something like that or an elderly person who's wandered off that's one thing but if you're using it for face surveillance technology or to surveil political protests or to use it without a warrant or to go into somebody's private home or private property you can't do that so we were able to get some restrictions and it's a pretty good policy i mean and we'd like to make it even stronger and more protective of individual rights and civil liberties and the police framingham police department has said they're open to working with this so that's a really good thing and we hope it'll become a model for all of the police departments um and we have an app on our data for justice website that people can go and see is there a drone in my town or city does my police department have that and do they have privacy protection so that you can't have these kinds of technologies that track you or you space surveillance technology and sort of track you wherever you go whether you're going to your therapist appointment or going to seek health care or going to you know visit your paramour whatever it is it's not it's nobody's business and the police shouldn't be using drones for those kinds of things that campaign is called no uh uh no uh you're what is it it's citizen control over police surveillance oh okay because we think that people should know it's not called what a difference a drone makes us no but you know i think we're going to change it now yeah go drones i kind of like that thank you no i voted early and as as now today i mean not today yeah i voted early and i think about half a million people did so people are exercising they're right we just passed that and so again you know i spent the weekend my friends calling me know what i do for a living calling me and asking me who should i vote for on their about they hadn't heard of half the people and they tried to tell them what was going on tell them to go to the aclum.org that's right thank you nice to see you carol thank you okay we've been speaking with carol rose executive director of the aclu of massachusetts thank you very much carol coming up lee pelton of the boston foundation will discuss a new report on the struggle of care workers in massachusetts who are making almost nothing he's next on boston public radio [Applause] [Music] [Applause] massachusetts requires colleges to be transparent about their financial health advocates say it's not enough anytime you're dealing with the business of higher education you cannot underestimate the willingness of the people involved from finding loopholes because when a college cancels courses often students are left holding the back like kick me out they didn't enroll me in classes and said bye i'm kirk karapeza that story today on gvh's all things considered funding for our programs comes from you and new england dental group committed to helping you stop hiding your smile by offering a variety of dental implant solutions to replace missing teeth in one of their seven locations learn more at new england dental group dot com and hebrew senior life a harvard medical school affiliate empowering seniors to reach their full potential with senior living health care aging research and more you can consider hebrew senior life at all we are for you dot org [Music] welcome back to boston public radio jim browdy and rodriguez we're live at the boston public library streaming online at youtube.com gbh news you've heard me say for years and years decades actually marge and i have been inviting every candidate in a contested statewide race to make their final pitch to our listeners on the show every single one we invited has accepted we've heard from five so far the three lieutenant governor candidates on the democratic side in about 25 minutes at the end of the show the two candidates for secretary of state on the democratic side and andrea campbell for attorney general we already heard from shannon liz reardon for attorney general so please stay tuned particularly if you're among the 70 plus percent who are insanely contemplating not voting we're joined now by lee pelton lee is the president of the boston foundation he joins us monthly and in full disclosure he serves on the gbh board of trustees lee pelton it's good to see you it's good to see you on this beautiful sunny day yes it's great but it's a good day to come back for a vacation because it'd be really depressing if it was 80 degrees and sunny at least it's raining and chilly so so i know uh the boston foundation is working uh is partnering this democracy works to support voters so it's election day even though it is a lousy day and raining what are you doing well we've partnered with as you said it's called democracy now and they have a something called the turbo vote uh catchy name and you can go online in fact you could go to uh the bostonfoundationtbf.org and you could you could look for topo turbo vote and actually sign up for it uh and it will uh take in your information your address it will allow you to register if you haven't registered it'll show you how to register online it will remind you of registration dates and uh election dates uh you'll get these on your phone actually you sign up uh uh online um and it'll also give you information about um uh the the ballot uh for uh for you know you know for the state or for your district and so on and so forth so it's very useful it obviously increases access and hopefully it facilitates people voting which is not something that we've done very well in the state and in the city you know i think about the mayoral race last year historic race two women on the ballot yeah two women no men uh one a person of color 29 of registered bostonians voted in that election 71 percent did not by the way i want to say speaking of turbo vote i got a text last night said hi jim it's turbo vote the massachusetts primary election is tomorrow 9-6 get ready to vote one confirm that you're registered and just to clarify what you said there's not same-day vote registration yet in massachusetts it would tell you where to register for the final which obviously is couple months away find your voting location there's a link for that too you may need to present id etc etc already voted thanks for making your voice heard if you want more information on the voters here's where you go phone number link it's a terrific service however it seems to me when i got this last night i said to myself the person who most needs turbo vote is the person least likely to register per turbo vote so i mean i'm a pretty good voter i take it i mean i know we all do pretty seriously what do you do for those who don't think there's a difference or does don't think it matters enough to spend even 30 minutes of their day to cast the back that's a great point because what we're doing at tbf is to partner with organ other organizations and non-profits actually to make this uh more visible uh so that more people will in fact take advantage of uh of this opportunity and so you'll be hearing more about that uh we're gonna be very public about that uh going forward did you get involved yeah i think legislative campaigns i mean for example i've written about this and i've a lot of people written about it you know should there be election day off should there be sunday voting or saturday and sunday voting like i think there is uh in many countries in the world deval patrick told me he thought if voting numbers remain horrible when i wrote a piece for the gold magazine mandatory voting should be something that should be considered as a bunch of western democracies in the world do are there reforms that you think need to happen in addition to same-day registration which i oh i do support yeah i do and i'm going to tell you i was in a state where voting turnout was high where there was not same-day registration but it was vote by mail you could only vote by mail uh and uh you would you have to register it by a certain this oregon this is oregon okay oregon yes you you would uh register by a certain date i think this year it's october 18th then you would receive your bat this is for the national elections general elections and then you would receive your ballot in the mail about three weeks in advance it would have a bar code or probably no qr code with your identity on it not someone else's identity and you'd sit around a kitchen table and have discussions with your families about um about this candidate or that candidate you fill it out you seal it you can either mail it in or drop it off at the several ballot uh drop boxes taxes throughout the state and it worked so there was no going to the polls a day of election and voting in oregon i didn't know that wow how come and there was well i mean because it was i mean there was no need to do that because of the voting yeah because of the voting you know and i i you know i get it and there's it's sort of this house i know well that's that's what i want to get to is a bake sale this sort of creamy new england charm around our democracy yeah you know we have these the the you know these uh uh town hall meetings where six people show up the same six people show up at every town hall meeting they devour all the donuts and drink all the coffee but is that democracy no i don't think so and so i do believe that that some consideration ought to be given to a mandatory vote by mail that would increase access uh and would increase uh participation uh among a lot of different groups how about this if you vote you get a doughnut now that would be a big draw for you i know it would be we're talking to lee pelton he's the head of the boston foundation i was saying this before when we were talking with carol rose from the aclu about about voting in their efforts you know their what a difference the d.a makes now what a difference the sheriff makes and they're talking about doing this with the governor's council in the future where she was anyway but it is surprising to me like i i was saying to her this weekend because people know what i do for a living my friends know what i'm doing for a living and you know they're people that are that are paying attention and they're working and living their life calling last minute to say what about the attorney general race you know what about what about the governor's race what about this race i was kind of stunned how many people really have no idea what's going on yeah it's very we always blame young people for not knowing what's going on with these or people that are 40 50 60 and 70 don't know what's going on right i think i heard earlier carol was carol rose was talking about voter ed just you know education and literacy and so on and so we you know we need probably to do a better job than we currently do but i think the major issue is access yeah it's access well you know what another major issue is and i'm embarrassed when i did the debate with tanisha sullivan who's challenging bill galvin the incumbent a month or so ago i asked and i don't remember what their answers were the notion that we're having an election the day after labor day terrible in defense of the voters or non-voters you could not create a worse time to ask people to participate in democracy i'm not defending their non-voting but that's got to be fixed very good too you know lee pelton speaking of young people not voting there was this piece in the washington post saying the college students are voting now at record rates so what do we think is up with that oh because there's been an enormous effort on colleges and universities across the nation here in the state i know to encourage young people to go out and vote that's one thing and i think also there are number of you know ballot issues and candidates uh and topics that are of great interest uh to young people uh today in a way that they might not have been uh did you do that by the way for those who don't know his prior job is president of emerson uh where my kid graduated and where of course uh jared bowen got an award we have to mention that every single time uh did you do anything when you're president of emerson absolutely what'd you do absolutely well we a lot of voter education a lot of uh meetings and going around to clubs and encouraging folks to vote not not the administrators because that would not ever work but other students who were doing that yeah great we're talking to lee pelton one of the great projects you're working on we've talked off and on about the horrible state of what i guess they're called care workers it's beyond hard work give us a brief executive summary of the work you guys did well we released a port a report on thursday uh through boston and indicators under the great leadership of luke schuster and and uh annie uh caleb and i boston indicators is fabulous and it's been it's a fabulous fabulous contribution so we we issue these reports uh routinely and the one that we issued on thursday was around what we called care work which includes uh people who work uh in the following ways uh early edu you know child education um and also with uh long-term um facilities uh kind of work for elderly folks um and uh also uh you know the kinds of the kinds of care that that uh that people need and um so the num what the demographics are uh pretty startling uh some of it's predictable most of the care workers in this state are women not men overwhelmingly so and of that group many are immigrants and women of colors women of color and they're over represented in this field so for instance whereas black workers make up only seven percent of the workforce in massachusetts um 82 percent of the workers uh 82 percent of these workers are in the care workers you see similar numbers for latina workers and so on the conditions under which they work um not something that most of us would want to do or could do really hard these are very stressful jobs and you'll recall doing the pandemic um these folks were called essential workers they had to be there but we didn't treat them as if they were essential in terms of pay you look at the pay of the hourly wages for care workers it's about half of what the median um um hourly wages are essentially the minimum which is virtually the minimum yeah yeah yeah barely yeah it's barely barely in fact it's not quite that yet but you know i i thought about uh you know also during the pandemic remember that a lot of the spread of the pandemic was because people who were working in nursing homes as caregivers or assisted living facilities were having to work multiple jobs because they couldn't make enough money in the place where they were working full-time and i'm also reminds not just that i think it's it's uh people of color the racism there but also you know when i was a kid teachers got nothing because 90 of teachers were women so until they organized until they get more men until their unions get more powerful they were really treated horribly so what's the solution here i mean who wants to be i was just saying you before we went on the air i'm a little nervous about getting old here you know if i have some poor person that's working 70 hours a week and getting no money yeah you'll be in good care but i think that um you know you know what we know and what we said it's a very stressful job pays very little you're not likely to have health care from your employer your retirement benefits are non-existent and so it's very stressful and a lot of the women who work these jobs uh working not just one job but two jobs yeah and sometimes three and they have their own children and their own family to attend to um and so they are really uh invisible to us and so part of what uh the boston indicators wanted to do was to make the invisible visible uh to the general public so they could see the conditions under which many of these workers um lived and labored so you know can i be friends here is part of the report what it mentions is not only how shabbily these people are treated but the demand is going up exponentially as the population gets older and older that's number one number two this is like our mcdonald's uh discussion of years ago remember we talked about how we are subsidizing one of the largest corporations in the world because they don't provide benefits their people people qualify for listen to those stamps this summary of the estimated um pardon me these workers are more likely to be on medicaid than to access health insurance through their employers their employers are essentially depending on the taxpayer to do what employers should be doing so where is the state i mean it seems to me to quote and paraphrase and butcher hubert humphrey we judge people by how we treat them at the beginning of life and at the end of life and that's what these people are child care workers home care workers help for for seniors in in need is the state uh coming to the plate i know they had some major initiative on child care i don't know what happened to it you know the issue is here's what do we value exactly so what do we value and we don't value women right in this you know in this uh this environment and we don't value immigrants and women of color uh especially with respect to this work and so um you know we're gonna have to we're gonna have to uh do something to first of all tell the truth which is what this uh uh will do but also to change our values and look deeply at what our values are in the meantime we need to raise the pay scale for these workers we need to provide them with you know medical benefits we need to provide them with retirement benefits and and so on and these are things that the state can do states can this state any state can help subsidize you don't want to understand about this uh who are these employers you know i mean i know about day cares more than i know about nursing homes where people get older but you always you know anecdotally read about people that ran nursing homes that make millions and millions of dollars you all know that the cost of nursing care facilities is through the roof unavailable to most people so and and yet they pay you're paying astronomical amounts to go to these nursing homes until you run out of money and then you're on medicaid your medicare or medicaid yourself i guess you should be under medicaid medicaid and they're paying the the workers very little money so what's going on there's a something isn't connecting there well again it's you know it's it's you know what we value and what we allow to uh happen uh in this state and other states there's another classification of workers these are home care workers who go and go into homes independently some of these folks work independently and others work for agencies and again the same issues obtained there in terms of very low wages long hours stressful work uh and so on you know one thing you talked about public education on this thing and i my attitude is the more transparency the more knowledge people are about everything the better our democracy is the kindred is but in all candor often i think no matter how much public education you do people are so locked in they won't give a damn this is an exception to me when you see that the person who's taking care of your child the most important part person in your life your elderly parent who you can't afford to take care of because you don't make enough and you have four jobs or whatever if there was a good public relations campaign and you guys could really nail it uh you with some of your colleagues it seems to me average people would get involved in an effort to make sure the legislatures and the legislators and private employers who some of whom can't afford to do better not all by the workers as marjorie was suggested do it so i hope there is some sort of campaign powerful and high profile that follows this report that your boston indicators folks did well there will be i mean we as i said this is to shed a light on this and begin a conversation like the one that we're having right here so that people understand [Music] what the real issues are here you know we have candidates coming up in a second so we're practically out of time but you know what we'd love to talk to you about next time considering multiple hats you wear we talked a lot about the student loan forgiveness program that obviously was implemented by joe biden a lot of people think it's not enough a lot of people plan to sue and think it's too much the under and you is not only the head of the foundation but as a former college president or particularly the right person to talk to a number of people i thought very wisely have said while this was necessary whether it's enough or not is again what we'll talk to you about next month it fails to address the underlying problem which is the unaffordability of college education for the vast majority of people in this country and it almost gives a pass again while i support it it almost gives a pass to those universities continue to charge almost usurious rates and we'd love to explore that i'm going to say something that's going to sound defensive but it's not meant to be uh you know the discount rate that's to say the difference between because we're talking about cost and price there are two different things what's the price and what does it actually cost you and the difference between price and cost at least at four-year uh private colleges is is uh 50 cents 50 so that when you come to emerson college and the student gives me a dollar i shouldn't say emerson because we're the exception but some other colleges and universities the president gives that person back 50 percent on average that's 50 50 so there is that discount there and our prices still hot too hot yes they are but we also have to understand that uh colleges uh you know that that the scholarship budget accounts were an enormous fraction of their uh operating budget you're right i am offended okay i'm kidding but listen i just want to say there's one other thing states have turned their back i agree on pr and public colleges yeah they used to fund a lot more right you fund a lot more you know you go to university of michigan uh 13 of uh you know the the the scholarship budget is from the state it didn't used to be at all like way up higher at least 50 percent we're going to continue we'll have this let's start off next month lee pelton it's great to see you as always thanks so much okay thank you very much for being here lee pelton we've been speaking with lee pelton he's the president of the boston foundation coming up we're going to hear from more candidates 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you very much for joining us uh mayor so tell us first off uh what are you doing today where are you going where are you going to be tonight uh for your victory party if you do prevail yeah major here we see the effort then in workforce cambridge heading to dorchester in quincy right now uh trying to get to as many places this weekend and tonight we'll be in salem right downtown celebrating uh working hard after a long campaign day you know do you find it weird running for an office mayor driscoll where the agenda for your job should you be elected is set by somebody other than you as we discussed during the debate there are very few constitutional responsibilities other than sitting in for the governor if he or she is unavailable and uh uh presiding over the governor's council in certain circumstances is that an odd thing or no i don't find it on you know jim as someone who's mayor i know that like leadership is not a solo sport you rely on a strong team around you and having people who are experienced to bring an opportunity to influence and help implement an agenda is really really critical so give us uh why people should vote for you kim driscoll instead of your two opponents eric lesser and tammy gavia you know marjorie i think we're heading into some choppy waters and experience is really something that's going to matter as we take the reins of office in january whoever is lucky enough to be elected issues of the housing challenges we have the child care gap the transportation woes we're going to own that and i know as mayor you know there's no hiding in a job like this you've got to deliver services you've got to work to impact the quality of life in the places people live and i think it's a great experience to bring to bear to work with our next governor in a way that's going to take on these challenges what do you think for in recent times and i'm sure you'll correct me if i'm missing one the primary function that's been given to the lieutenant governor by whoever the governor was republican or democrat is essentially the liaison the contact point between the state administration the governor's office and cities and towns assuming that if maura healey happens to be elected governor that that's the same situation uh down the line what else would you like to be part of your portfolio kim driscoll yeah i don't want to diminish the role of working with cities and towns you know cities are very much the microcosm of the challenges that we face at the state level and we're not going to be able to solve the housing crisis or transportation or the climate work we need to without action at the local level combined with state assistance so for me i would say the topic that i'm hearing about everywhere and one i'd like to lean into is housing we don't have enough of it we certainly don't have enough affordable housing that meets community needs um and i think that's a challenge everywhere in every community even in places where housing is more affordable it's not more affordable to the people living there how do you see yourself alike and different from maura healey who is the democratic candidate for governor well some of the likenesses like we both played college hoop we know what it means to be honest hold on hold on hold on i didn't know that kevin dress called we got a good college hoop where'd you play and what was your position i played at salem state i was a point guard and uh and we had some pretty competitive teams wow good for you but go ahead we're we're very superficial we focus on things like can you twirl the basketball on your finger like maura healy ken have you been practicing that yeah you know if you're a baller like i'm a gym rat i grew up really basketball was my first love and so played a lot of it and always had a pair of high tops in the back of my car just in case i ran into a good pickup game so um i'm looking forward to being her teammate in this work and advancing their spirit agenda like there's nothing better than winning on a team sport and i'm looking forward to doing some of that if i'm fortunate enough to be elected kim driscoll we wish you a lot of luck thank you so much for your time thanks jim thank you talk to you guys soon yeah thank you very much that was kim driscoll she is the the mayor of salem and she's going to be running uh she is running for lieutenant governor of the democratic ticket we're going to be talking with eric lesser and timmy tammy cave in just a few minutes but meanwhile we have some time if people want to call in and text us at 877-301-8970 and tell us if anybody showed up at their polling place this morning if they're all by themselves there how bad the rain was if anybody had a line um no no no come on let's i don't want to hear from people just to vote i want to hear from the 70-plus percent okay we say it isn't important enough to bother you to vote today let's hear from the deadbeats the deadbeats exactly from the deadbeats we have a special deadbeat hotline [phone] we're going to take calls and we'll look at the text too in and around the other two lieutenant governor candidates who are going to join us uh as marjorie said eric lester and tommy covey in a couple of uh seconds do you know anybody who's not voting uh i don't know anybody who's at least admitted to me that they're not voting and i know some people that that say they're gonna vote then they don't show up because something happens well like that's pretty bad i don't know the kid gets sick at school or something like that allegedly in any case we're going to talk to you in a couple of minutes about your pathetic excuses for not voting but first we're joined somebody said a little while ago that they get up off the couch because of us she said we inspired her she got up off the couch and took her pickleball racket with her or whatever and went and voted good for her and we hope they're a lot more like you joining us now is another candidate for the democratic nomination for uh lieutenant governor on the democratic side state senator eric lesser senator it's good to talk to you hey how are you happy election day yes thank you very much for joining us so we're asking you like we're asking everybody eric lester what's your strategy for today where you going what are you doing and where are you going to end up tonight should you have a victory party to celebrate uh well i'm soaking wet because we've been out at the polls and i just just trying to say hi to as many people as we can and a big big day started off the morning in longmeadow voting with my family which really meant a lot the moment i'm at the east hampton diner but we're going to be moving all around the state right until 8 o'clock by the way the reason senator lesser mentioned the places he's been because when i introduced him at the debate a couple of weeks ago i had his wrong district so good that's good and i have to say he was very kind by not humiliating me so you know let me ask you also the same thing we just asked for mayor driscoll you're you've been your own boss i know the voters are the boss but you're a state senator you're the leader in the legislature along with state reps in that district here i know people don't like that term but the lieutenant governor essentially works for the governor of the commonwealth how is that transition from you knowing you were an autonomous player to one where you basically take the assignments that your quote boss for lack of a better expression gives you well it's a good question and i think my set of experiences actually makes me uniquely suited to this how so first i worked in first i worked in an executive team when i worked in the obama administration you're used to kind of taking direction and working uh towards what the team needs and also in the senate jim as you know you really can't get anything done unless you've got 20 other colleagues who are lined up with you and then of course you need 81 in the house and you need even more than that if the governor is in disagreement so my job is really all about coordination and uh in conciliation working towards consensus and i think that's a natural role for lieutenant governor to help play on behalf of the governor i also think i bring just a set of unique uh perspectives to the ticket that are going to be important both in november and governing after that the only candidate for western mass historically our governors have worked with lieutenant governors from other parts of the state where they're from think about our current governor charlie baker with karen pluto from shrewsbury duvall patrick and tim murray from worcester even think about bill weld paul solutions hudson paul salucci jane swift from williamstown in the berkshires so i think it's important to have that perspective to really speak for the whole state does that mean you'd be taking a helicopter to work like governor swift had to do no we're gonna be taking a train we're gonna be taking a train and let's hope my platform that'd be great she did the helicopter home because they're little babies and it was and you were the only journalist who defended yeah well i think there's a little sexism involved there but let me let me ask you eric lesser is there anything with which you disagree or strongly with kim driscoll or tammy gave the two women who are running against you as lieutenant governor where you differ from them dramatically well i think it's really about a sense of perspective and what you're going to emphasize i come from a region you know far away from beacon hill an area of the state that frankly is used to feeling left behind and getting ignored i think that's going to make me particularly attuned to the areas of our state including many of our neighborhoods in boston that are not getting the focus and the attention that they need from state government i also think the fact that i do have federal experience uh is distinguishing because we're going to have some significant work to do with the federal government around the mbta around putting the biden infrastructure funds to use and also the only candidate with high level legislative experience having worked on multiple conference committees the extension of deval patrick's life sciences initiative several economic development bills so you know it's a great slate of candidates everybody has a lot to offer i think i've got a set of uh set of characteristics and background that's unique senator lesser we really wish you luck and we really appreciate your time when we know what is a very busy day thanks so much absolutely no i'm in my car for the first drying moment of the day yeah yeah our pleasure yeah i think you better put the heat on so you can dry up those clothes thank you very much appreciate it thanks bye-bye now our final of three democrats running for lieutenant governor state rep tommy govea representative thank you so much for calling in thank you both for having me i appreciate it yeah thank you very much uh for for being with us timothy so tell us what you're up to today what's your strategy where you're going to be yeah we've been uh starting in my hometown city of lowell massachusetts uh greeted voters there had firefighters standing out with us and then just been making a big loop we're in framingham now and then heading to western but we also made stops in lawrence cambridge and somerville you know uh representative let me approach the same topic i did with your two uh fellow contestants for the position you're used to being the boss the you're the state rep representing your district you're beholden to no one but the voters lieutenant governor is basically works at the pleasure of the person who was independently elected as governor does that kind of transition that sort of lack of loss of autonomy does that concern you at all it doesn't and as i said in our interview with you or the debate that we had i really do have a vision for the position uh really bringing my skill set to bear as a doctor of public health a policy maker and a social worker for 25 years but also my lived experience you know families are really struggling out there and i've been hearing about this for the last 15 months crisscrossing the state that i've been in this race people are really worried they're worried about their children's future education and whether or not we'll have a sustainable planet they're worried about accessing housing whether it's they're starting out as a young family or they're a senior couple that wants to downsize i will take my live experience growing up in the city of lowell and as a single mom who has struggled myself to make ends meet i'll bring that perspective to the corner office i think that's the perfect compliment uh for the skill set that maura healey brings to the role as governor so timmy gave you touched on it being talking about being a social worker for all those years being a single mom and having to worry about your bills constantly but what else can you tell voters that should make them vote for you instead of for kim and driscoll herrera lesser yeah again i do have a vision for the position i have a doctorate in public health that gives me the skill set to get to the root causes of the big issues that we're facing and then my work as a social worker i can lean into the work that i've done as a collaborative leader as a facilitative leader to bring people in to help us get to the root causes of the housing crisis the mental health crisis the human services workforce crisis the child care crisis and the climate crisis that we're facing we have big problems going on we need someone in the corner office who can be a partner to our municipal leaders by working to solve those big issues that are settling our municipal leaders without losing the eye on what we need as for the state as a whole so that's what i would say to voters i've been the executive founder of the massachusetts chapter of the women's march as well as the low round table on substance abuse prevention so also bring that skill set to the corner office as a lieutenant governor and as a partner to governor healey you know before you leave you mentioned a couple times being a social worker right before you we spoke to lee pelton the head of the boston foundation they're boston indicators you probably saw this last week just the report on care workers child care workers home care workers not all of whom are social workers but many of whom have a similar bent to you they are colossally undervalued colossally overly huge percentage of women huge percentage people of color how do you change people's appreciation of that kind of work social work caring work how do you change that in 30 seconds we have to lead on it in the corner office that is why this will be the first working group that i get going on is addressing the workforce shortage issues the issues with the workforce not feeling respected because it hasn't been respected and we haven't invested in it that's the first work that i will tackle when it comes to mental health and human services and child care those are the big issues that i want to get to and can get to unlike my other opponents in this race i can get to work on these issues on day one state representative we really appreciate your calling in on a busy day good luck tonight and hope to see you soon thanks everybody get out there and vote take a look there and vote exactly thank you very much timothy so speaking of getting out and vote we want to hear about if you've gotten out and vote or jim lost here from the dead beats who have not gotten out and vote uh you can tell us if you're not voting why you're not if you did voting if you did vote where you're voting you didn't even tell us who you voted for the number is seven three 877-301-8970-8773 one eight nine seven now we have how many minutes until we have about 15 until john king is with us by the way we're going to talk to the two democrats for uh uh secretary of state uh in the and uh andrea campbell who's the remaining candidate for attorney general at the end of the show after john king earlier about a week or so ago the secretary of state galvin said 23 turnout he's upped it a little if anybody has any perspective on why such an abysmal number even if it creeps up to 27 or 28 is what we end up with in a place like massachusetts i'd love to hear 877-301-8970 and again i'd love to hear from the deadbeats the 70-plus percent who decided they're too busy or too disinterested or too something of registered voters who are deciding today is not their day to bother to go to the polls us from the 877-301-8970 oh i didn't say that we're brought we're uh streaming right yes we are are we streaming do you know youtube.com someplace youtube.com gvh news thank you that's some place yes that's that's some place and julian danberry said she had knee replacement surgery just last week however her ballot went into the town hall on friday she is not a deadbeat and at least new bedford said we hear a lot about how oregon is vote by mail but it's equally important that they mail voter information packets and include descriptions of the various elected positions and candidate profiles provided by candidates i think this would go a long way towards increasing engagement and down ballot races doesn't the secretary of state hand out that voter thing that's for the ballot questions that red book that goes out well it's pretty tough job to fairly characterize what the positions are unless you just print statements from the candidates let's take some calls though again we're looking for deadbeats but we'll take anybody uh alex in new bedford are you a deadbeat yes or no i am not a dead speaker um i am a i am expected to vote for paul heru for sheriff uh in brook county i think he's got the best chance of beating hodgson yeah sheriff hodgson has been tough on immigration he's a great candidate and has a good chance why do you you know one of the things we talked to the head of the aclu of massachusetts before cal rose they have a campaign what a difference a sheriff makes most people don't even know sheriffs are elected what drew you to this race um what drew me to the race was the fact that uh hudson has 25 years in office tons of controversies including running an ice detection got shut down by the biden administration for cruel trip for detainees and i really feel like there just needs to be a change if hodgson gets reelected it's a six-year sheriff's term and so he'll be there for over 30 years hey uh alex you make a compelling case thank you for calling do you know sheriffs were elected for six years i'm mortified no i did not know that assuming alex is right and i'm guessing she is i did not i did not know that i think the aclu and carol rhodes is absolutely right we don't know a lot about sheriffs we don't know a lot about we do know more now but about district attorneys and how crucial they are who gets charged how much they get charged what the sentences are all those kinds of things margaret from boston thank you for calling are you a deadbeat well jim would say i am yeah but i am a super voter in every election except for i don't vote in the primaries why because i am not i am not a member of either party and that's about party politics no wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait margaret if i may for those who don't know there are more people like you who are unenrolled voters in this state than there are democrats and republicans combined i believe in massachusetts but i assume i mean let me just pick an example we had geoff deal and chris dodie on at the top of the show one of them is going to win tonight one of them could beat maura healey you don't care whether if there's a republican governor whether it's chris doughty or jeff deal that doesn't matter to you or pick any race you want you don't care if it's andrea campbell or shannon lewis reardon for attorney general really on a rare occasion i might but i'm not going to vote in a republican or democratic primary because it's party politics and i stay out of it we hear you i don't agree with you but i respect you for calling in martial you can go back to being an independent right now but i don't think she means the technical things i think she means it's four party members is what margaret is contending uh um and uh uh so uh that's what her position i don't agree with it but she was courageous enough to uh call let's uh go to 877-301-8970 is our number three we're getting a report from the natick precinct three only 354 voters what does that mean i have no idea what that means well not many is the the uh is the uh person's perspective by saying only oh only i'm sorry yes and in sturbridge um someone just voted texted to say they were the 85th person to vote in sturbridge i don't think that's what i don't i can't i don't know what that means i mean everything is comparative oh ben says we need to have a day off from work to vote and i agree with him we should have the day off from work he says he's not a deadbeat but he can't make it and we should stop calling people that who can't get to the polls we said that that's uh ben from chicopee what did he say he said we need to give people the day off from work to vote and not call them deadbeats that's right has been a deadbeat uh well the polls open what it eight o'clock seven seven seven yeah seven days until eight yeah that seems like you could somehow get there it seems to me well at least right now unless your boss is kind enough to be voluntarily giving your time off to it let's go to waltham where emily's on the phone emily you're in boston public radio thanks for calling hi hi hi hi so i voted today and the only reason i knew that there was a primary today is that i got an email from my son's school saying that um that drop off would be in the gym oh and there's also voting there today wow they didn't have signs although what caused them what school brandeis north east elementary and and oh from their k through 12 school great that's great but they didn't have signs in the schools saying that uh i mean all over the streets i mean i've seen a lot of signs i knew that the primaries were coming up i did not know the exact day of it i hadn't seen it on any of my town facebook groups okay so emily emily what do you think of margaret who called before you i by the way i admire margaret for calling in and making her case what do you think about her saying i'm unenrolled uh primaries are for party members i'm not a member of either party so even though i legally am entitled to vote in either primary if i chose i choose not to what'd you think of that argument i mean i'm i'm i'll vote every chance i can get okay fair enough emily we're glad to hear it thank you you know he his will from plymouth says he's not voting because i don't know anything about anyone i'm not willing to vote for a i don't know if he means random well whose fault is that well well you know yeah but you know something you can go like to the globe the globe has editorials for local people and governor and statewide offices but you know this is another thing about the loss of these little local papers i mean that you know that paper in in wellesley would talk about their local candidates for selectmen or town council whatever they have the same thing in brookline those are gone now i think a lot of people do not follow local politics they'll look at an editorial in their local paper and get an idea whether they like that local paper or not what people stand for i think that's a big loss maybe you're right about that but there was some guy i can't remember his name but he's good on television yeah who did debates four debates with accounts and by the way they're available online at gbhnews.org i tuned in to jim brownies star of stage and screen thank you and uh multimedia now by the way if you missed the debates live are you out of luck or what marjorie what can you do then if you missed them when i did them uh well you can go back and look at them at this point oh website yes they are online but i do think but i i said this before i had three or four friends over my vacation who would call because they don't know anything about their uh the statewide races even though you can find them but papers what did you say about them behind their back dopes when they hung up would you say dopes i said you know you might want to just look into the people that might matter in your audrey turner one of her kids that was there and said catherine just called dope i mean you know something you know something i'm guilty of some of this too i don't know a lot about the town i live in which is brookline i don't know a lot about the politics there i'm so busy you know the the politics here that i have to read about every day for us i miss out on the fine-tuning of the town council in in town it's whatever is it what is it what is it in brooklyn selectman i didn't know that i met one of them in the parking lot the other day so you know that was to do with them no we had a nice i was gonna ask who was she'll have no idea who it was my former producer by the way is one of them by the way you know that oh i do know that i know john vancouver okay alex on the road you're next on boston public radio what's up hey first time long time thank you hey yes um we were we were all planned to be deadbeats because we're heading home from a vacation in maine yeah but you've convinced us that we need to stop at town hall and vote is that true or is that bs is that really true no that's that's that's deadly on this um we were going to be dead beats and i'll tell you why yeah um um i think maura healey's got this um i between the three candidates for lieutenant governor you know i have one that i like a little bit better than the others but the if i'm in the democratic primary i kind of sympathize with the caller before who's like with the primaries you only have this straight line if there was something i could do to like you know stop deal from having any kind of chance well that's one thing but that doesn't really exist for me so okay so alex i'll wait for that general election okay so you were you were going to be a deadbeat you listened to the show you decided to vote here's the moment of truth who convinced you to vote marjorie or me [Laughter] oh it's definitely marjorie okay thank you very much that's great alex thanks for calling me time alex that was a brilliant call the most brilliant we've had all day long absolutely no question about it okay we're going to uh not going to talk to any more dead beasts or non-dead beasts because we're going to talk up next to cnn's john king he's going to join us we're going to talk about the election uh the trump special master and a bunch of other things john king from cnn is next you're listening to 897 gbh we have broadcasting live as you do every tuesday and every friday from the boston public library and we're also streaming jim where are we streaming youtube.com youtube.com [Music] the u.s and the holocaust premieres on september 18th on channel 2. join gbh and the boston symphony orchestra for a conversation with the producers and directors ken burns novick and sarah botstein you'll get a behind-the-scenes look into the making of the documentary during this event at symphony hall the u.s and the holocaust an evening with ken burns lynn novick and sarah bottstein monday september 12th at 7 30 pm tickets at gbh.org events support for our programs comes from you and sunbug solar offering solar and battery storage renewable energy solutions for your home or business to learn how you can build a more resilient future you can visit sunbug solar dot com and walden local meat 100 grass-fed and pasture-raised beef pork and chicken from local farms hand delivered to your door committed to supporting a better food system membership options and more at waldenlocalmeat.com [Music] welcome back to boston public radio jim brady and rodriguez live at the boston public library streaming online youtube.com gbh news two programming notes quickly one you just heard ken burns lynn novak and their colleague will be at the bso i think next week sometime ken burns will join us next monday to discuss his new six-hour documentary on the holocaust and number two after we speak to john king from cnn in a minute we will talk to our final three candidates the two candidates running for secretary of state tanisha sullivan and the incumbent bill galvin as well as andre campbell the other candidate we spoke to analyst reardon for democrat uh democratic nominee for attorney general first joining us running for nothing as far as i know on zoom is cnn's john king chief national correspondent host of inside politics weekdays at noon hello there john king i'm running for the bus but i'm bummed thank you last time i was up there just i was up there a couple weeks ago and i was trying to go to fenway and i was trying to go to the green line and it was closed so i had to run for the bus literally get the shuttle bus yeah yes it was the first time i saw the shuttle buses they had yankee signs on the thing and i thought for a minute that they were bringing the yankees fans to the fenway then i finally figured out there were two buses right it was they're nicer yeah so they're nice buses they look very nice from the outside with a nice bus yes very nice bus so anyway uh john king this florida judge federal judge eileen cannon has granted former president's request president trump that would be for president trump for this special master she's gotten trashed a lot over this and some people thought it was crazy that we were ever going to have a special master but what do you think this means in terms of the investigation into these classified documents winding up at mar-a-lago well i think it we know that it adds some delay the question is how much and how long and how significant and part of that is does the justice department decide to appeal they could appeal this to the 11th circuit it's a very conservative circuit so if the justice department appeals what are you doing uh you're adding probably months right to the uncertainty here so if the justice department decides to eat its peas those are my words and say okay we disagree with this decision but let's move as quickly as we can let's find a special master let's get this review done we don't you know we think in the end we're going to get what we want anyway because we did everything right how quickly can you do that so friday is now the big day for this one the judge has told about the trump lawyers and the justice department hopefully to come together and make recommendations uh we think any of these two or three people would be a special master here's how we would like the process to work if they cannot come together sometimes warring you know these two these are two very diametrically opposed warring parties in this case but sometimes they can come lawyers do come together on process if they cannot come together she's asked them to each make your own separate recommendations and then we'll go from there so that's the key test eight is the justice department appeal they have not said they will do that and if they don't how quickly can they get agreement you have to be a pretty special person with spec pretty high security clearance to be the special master so the potential universe of people is pretty small and then how quickly can you move that process forward so i think we have to go through at least through friday and probably another week or two are trying to sort out just how this is going to work and how long it will delay things now can the justice department move forward on some of its investigation yes but if you want to call a witness before a grand jury you like to wave the document and say tell me about this if you want to ask did you try are you the guy who carried those documents from the white house to the van to the helicopter to mar-a-lago uh you want to have the documents so can you do some stuff yes the smart lawyers i talked to say you've got to be careful one of the things you can't do is you can't ask anybody do you have any idea what happened to the 48 classified or whatever documents in the files that were empty that is on hold and john i want to return to the masked special master thing we had this discussion with the head of the civil liberties union of massachusetts an hour or so ago something i've read far too little about is you're right it's obviously a small group of people who would be qualified to do this uh what is stopping the judge in this case from picking a quote qualified fellow federalist society member who she knows privately is a big supporter of the former president and hasn't been public like a john eastman or a sydney pal or rudy giuliani and have somebody who is uh is out of the mainstream as at least most experts including republican experts say her decision was uh i know that there are a lot of critics who say that wow did this trump appoint d write a decision that channels a lot of what donald trump does legal team have said about the process at least reason raising questions of fairness are raising executive privilege questions that most smart lawyers say don't exist because he's not the president anymore as someone who has to watch these things i think we should watch how the next process plays out to your if if that fear you just raised turned out to be legitimate i think at that point the justice department would have no choice but to appeal or to somehow try to stop the process and take it to a different venue uh so i think you know i get the suspicions here um uh i also you know there is another side in the sense that uh jonathan turley the you know the george washington professor who often takes conservative republican views on things his view is you know maybe you don't like this decision but they were going to have to quiet the investigation anyway because we're so close to the election so why don't you just you know okay it's not perfect but try to get this done as quickly as possible then you come out of the shoots after the election you can do your job so i think we just have to watch the next couple of steps play out i get because of the political environment we live in and because this is a trump appointee uh the suspicions i think we need to you know have a little bit more evidence to see if there's an actual bias or if this is just her interpretation of the law can i just say one thing before we continue is as i said earlier in the day there were a lot of trump judges and justices who ruled against donald trump on his original uh election cases in fact virtually unanimously it's just from having read as i'm obviously you have i'm sure you've interviewed people about it again republicans and democrats who've been in justice department positions who find this her position not that she's a trump nominee but that her decision is so out of the mainstream is just troubling in terms of fairness i guess is the pornos yeah right right this is sitting right here on my desk i've read it a few times it's um it's interesting and yes you can read there's a lot of what trump's legal team says in here now her point is let's be fair let's be extra fair and there are people who complain about that saying why do you treat donald trump any differently or others would say okay he is a former president so he should get a little extra yeah where's the sweet spot i'm not smart enough to know about it this this ruling raises a whole bunch of questions and the next the next test is can they come together and get a special master and then we go from there yeah one of the the last things about this that i think concerns a lot of people is we are close to the the next elections but of course then after that there's the gearing up to 2024 and if this does drag on and donald trump does declare his presidency what does that mean can the investigation of the mar-a-lago documents mar-a-lago documents continue simultaneously with his efforts to be re-elected i i think you know look the attorney general is in a tough spot in the sense that anything you do here is going to be put into the political pinata and you're going to be whacked about uh but again this is you know everyone will think this i'm saying this about donald trump but this should be about anybody just imagine you know i'm under investigation well i'm running for something i'm not just running for the bus i'm running for governor uh you know i'm running for president uh so that's a pretty um that's a pretty slippery slope and a dangerous slope to allow uh and so you have an ongoing investigation if trump were to declare tomorrow and then say you can't do this to me i'm running for president i think the you know it is a fact it's not just that it's a democratic appointed attorney general it is a fact the investigation long predated that announcement therefore too bad buddy and i think that has to be the rule for anybody you know now and in the future uh that you can't game the system like that well the other thing is i mean we don't know what the president's motives were but it's possible they could be nefarious motives uh in terms of you know secrets that other people aren't supposed to know about so that i think as a citizen is a little bit scary well that that investigation continues though doesn't it doesn't that part of it about whether there was some compromising of important security isn't it i don't understand though well maybe that's right but how can that be if you're not supposed to look at these documents the director of national intelligence can look at the documents that's what the judge did rule that the assessment did this cause did this cause actual damage uh to overseas intelligence assets to overseas operations um did it expose potentially secrets about you know uh sensitive programs whatever those programs might be uh spying operations weapons programs uh people human resources around the world um the the the dni the national intelligence director and the intelligence community can continue that assessment was any harm done here um to the other point though if can you you know can you bring cases that that we're in a little bit of a murky issue is the justice department can't specifically use those documents but to the point remember when the search warrant was first executed one of the questions was has had merrick garland at the attorney general and the fbi just run out of patience and they just wanted the documents back right was it just a document seizure and not so much a criminal investigation but in this fight over the special master they have filed paperwork that makes clear this is an active criminal investigation this was not just about getting the documents back they are investigating what they believe to be potential obstruction of justice and potential mishandling of sensitive national security documents that part of it is not on hold but it just you know parts of it are on pause because they can't do everything they want because they need the documents you know john king every time we ask you about polling talking to john king from cnn every time i talked about polling you go out of your way to say and i'm paraphrasing don't make too much of this this is one day's polling if we spoke to you when we spoke to you a month ago the democrats were in horrible trouble across the board biden was accomplishing nothing all of a sudden there's an abortion decision biden uh thanks to mansion and uh and cinema uh moving on an issue obviously got at least a major climate initiative drug pricing negotiations for medicare and all of a sudden polls seem to be moved dramatically biden is a little more popular the democrats prospects in the senate appear to be remarkably good and better but not good enough to keep a majority in the house is that where you see things today understanding that it is just today yeah we count votes nine weeks from tonight uh that's exciting for somebody like me and i've said this to you guys before when i say this is exciting or this is fun partisans get mad at me because i understand whether you're a democrat or republican you have an investment in your candidate you have an investment in your race it's not fun to go through you know the final nine weeks of nail-biting i respect that completely as a student of politics this is exciting for me this is the first midterm first presidential midterm i can remember where we're nine weeks out past labor day and it is so uncertain um it is just so uncertain uh i i use the word drastically better in the polling i don't know that i would use that term but without a doubt jim the climate is better for the president and his party now if the climate is better for the president and his party now in a number of ways in a number of important places than it was just three four five six weeks ago uh this began with the dobbs decision uh the dobbs decision wiping row off the books caused a major tumult in american politics not just among liberal progressives but also among moderate republicans centrists and some conservatives look at the kansas votes some conservative republicans too who may actually be you know pro-life or may exactly may support significant restrictions on abortion rights but don't want people in washington whether they're politicians or justices telling them how to live their lives so it has reached it has redefined the midterm campaign year the dobbs decision principally the return of trump and yes the democrats getting some things done the president's numbers are still historically low he's where obama was right now in 2010. obama lost 63 seats in the house you can't lose 63 seats the way they draw the lines up but here's how i look at it where's the trajectory going right uh 60 of americans still think we're in a recession that's bad for the president and his party but if you look at consumer confidence it's beginning to trend up uh the president's approval rating still historically low but the trajectory is up every ticket goes up is a house seat every ticket goes up is better for democrats in some race out there for some office so it's a better climate now democrats are confident they can keep the senate should they be that confident i think it's going to be plus or minus one or two in the senate um it would be almost impossible to keep the house but let's keep an open mind about everything i think the more likely scenario both smart democrats and smart republicans say this is that the republicans take the house but by a much more narrow margin than we would have thought after afghanistan or six months ago before the dobbs decision the races for governor i know you're having your primary up there today in massachusetts races for governor races for state legislature are absolutely critical because of the dobbs decision as each state some states won't do this because their policies are well established but many states are going to have to have abortion debates and so who's your governor would they sign or veto abortion legislation on new restrictions and what's the margin in your state legislature do you have a veto proof majorities or not um these races are fascinating and we're in a very unpredictable environment the biggest factor is dobbs gas prices have come down 70 plus days in a row does that continue do people feel a little better about inflation a little better about the economy so this is really for me the tug of war in nine weeks is who wins this debate what is most important when you vote is it crime is it inflation then you're probably going to vote republican is it tolerance is it abortion rights is it chaos is it democracy then you're probably going to vote democrats there's still a tug of war over those issues are all up there one two and three the economy's still number one followed closely by abortion in national polls uh nine weeks is a long time who wins that debate about what should be most important that will decide what happens well let's talk about a few specific uh races for the senate the in uh uh is it ohio with tim ryan and j.d vance what what's tim ryan is the democrat advances the republican what's happening there that it is close tells you the climate has turned in favor of the democrats doesn't mean tim ryan is going to win but ohio is a traditionally republican state that race in a year in a democratic president's first midterm election republicans should not be worried about ohio they should not be but they are uh part of that is you have a first-time candidate who is appealing to republicans in some ways had the trump endorsement in some ways who is not communicating very well as a candidate so far tim ryan is a blue-collar guy and i think blue-collar issues matter uh this year uh and plus then you have the again close elections are decided in the suburbs and you have you know think of the republican george h.w bush won the suburbs he was he won the presidency george w bush won the suburbs twice he won the presidency twice just narrowly remember uh i know democrats are saying al gore won the presidency uh you know george bush won florida was the issue florida was the issue because george bush won ohio and won pennsylvania he won the suburbs you know donald trump won the suburbs against hillary clinton just barely in 2016 got swamped in the suburbs in 2020. that's why joe biden is president the abortion decision and the return of trump is changing the dynamic in the suburbs the suburban voters who were going to maybe vote on crime or vote on inflation six months ago are now thinking do i need to vote on abortion and vote on trump uh and so that's the tug of war ohio is close wisconsin has a republican incumbent senator in ohio portman's retiring advances their new candidate so having a new politician helps the democrats somewhat he's less experienced wisconsin ron johnson the republican incumbent mandela barnes the lieutenant governor that race is close that race should not be close if this is a giant republican year that race should not be close but it is you know john uh tonight on tv with me is michael kirk who's the brilliant director of so many great frontline documentaries the one that's being released tonight is lies politics and democracy and he traces the lies even from uh from uh donald trump saying the emmy vote was rigged when the apprentice lost through iowa into the present i had forgotten that one of the things that is so had i one of the things that that most powerful i've seen the documentary is how complicit i know this is not news to you or probably anybody else all the leading republicans have been in trump's continued high profile place the the races that people are talking about most in this country mere mortals uh uh jd vance trump guy oz in pennsylvania trump guy herschel walker in georgia trump guy if donald trump nominees are determined to be too radical for the general election come november and he's wiped out will there still be the same level of sycophancy amongst republicans for the former president whether he well assuming he chooses to run again i think you raise a key question and i could add to that you know blake masters in arizona of course trump guy uh that these were talking about senate candidates you could go to kerry lake the gubernatorial county arizona election denier uh trump endorsed we could move on to nevada we could go state by state in these critical races and find sadly too many of these people who still want to say that joe biden is not the legitimate president that joe biden didn't win fair and square joe biden won fair square he won farren square donald trump had every right we've talked about this too many times uh every right and and he did challenge in court asked for recounts asked to check things he did all that he had every right to do that he lost them all um and so i think this is a this is a test of american democracy a test of patience uh and i i think it's a defining test for the republican party we don't want you know we need competitive politics we need a competitive republican party there are people you know i always say we need a competitive two-party system i'm not insulting anybody who wants a three or third or a fourth or a fifth party come into the fray i think that's great but we need a competitive political system and when you have one party that sticks its head in the ground the grand ostrich party as i call it sometimes and will not confront a lie that's troubling that's right i don't say that to be you have to take the democrat side i take that to take truth's side um and so i think these documentaries are important and i think you do raise a question that if these candidates are significantly you know lose on a significant basis do republicans finally reawaken to the idea of let's have the courage to stand up to this guy and his lies um i hope so for the good of the republican party i'm not here you know for the good and the good of the system but you know we've been every time we think that moment is upon us we thought it was upon us on january 6. didn't we um we see the backslide because they want power and they're afraid of offending him so so let's see what happens nine weeks from tonight let's see how the votes go and we'll have this conversation you know the following tuesday i'm sure now john king we have to go or otherwise you'd have time to say wait till next year so you're gonna have to wait till next week just say wait until next year john king it's a good look on his face john it's great to see you if you will red sox are struggling i think that is yeah i'm out of the bullpen okay see you john thank you very much john keep speaking with john king he is seen as chief national correspondent he hosts inside politics weekdays at noon we watch it every day coming up more calls from candidates running contested statewide races here in massachusetts on primary election day next up we're going to talk with the secretary of state bill galvin who's running for reelection you are listening to boston public radio 897 gbh broadcasting live from the boston public library [Music] 2022 is proving a historic year with five gubernatorial races where both candidates are women we're kicking off our special midterm series with the center for american women in politics talking about these all-women contests from the house to the governor's mansion i'm melissa harris-perry and that's next time on the takeaway from wnyc and prx this afternoon at 2 here on gbh news 89 7. support for gbh comes from you and shriners children's boston accidents happen and when those 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joining us happy to be with you yeah thank you very much for joining us so before i ask you where you're going today what your strategy is whether your party's going to be at the stockyard across the street from wgbh where i've seen you at least once or twice secretary give us a sense of what the voting's like today is it is it good not so good we're concerned about the effect of the weather obviously that's a great concern of ours because it's been so torrential and it's it's inconsistent throughout the state some places very light other places it's really torrential i'm hoping it does seem to be the ceiling is lifted a bit and the rain is a little less intense i'm hoping that voters will come out the only fortunate thing unlike a november election it's going to be daylight till well after seven so hopefully voters will come out you know a lot of interest in these races we did have a very strong participation in early by mail and early in person the combined effect is we'll certainly have over 400 000 democratic voters who have voted and probably closing in on 90 000 republican voters at least they're still processing the vote by mails that are being returned by drop boxes so those numbers are going to go up you know during the debate uh i had with you and tanisha sullivan we talked about what reforms have been made to voting in the state what reforms need to be made should you be re-elected what's atop your list secretary galvin that you think would address what in my estimation even if the numbers are higher than you originally anticipated what i still see is very poor voter turnout what what needs to be done here well the issue is not legal access i think the one thing we should do on legal access is election day registration that's that would be the highest priority i think it has to be some degree of civic engagement and it's you know it's easy to talk about that in terms of young people and i think that's extremely important but it's also true about all the people and people who continue to say well i vote in november well i think in a state like this corey and not just because of the preponderance of democratic enrolled members which is diminishing but the fact is is that unfortunately both parties tend to be very small in terms of their core and that tends to leave a lot of independence which is now over sixty percent of our electorate oh because they just they think well i'll wait till november well you can't wait till november if you want to set the stage properly to make the decisions you want to make so getting people to vote in primaries i also believe that we probably should try to move the primary too earlier in the spring with some of the logistical problems understanding some of the logistical problems that that does present but maybe it would engage people more we can look at these various options but in the end it's the desire of the voter to go out and you know in municipal elections we say if you have a tax question on a two and a half override or an education question on people vote but if there's not they don't uh so if motivation is a hard thing to pin down so secretary galvin for those who have yet to vote and are going to vote this afternoon why should they vote for you and not your opponent tanisha sullivan i think the details are very important i think that i think we've not only demonstrated here in massachusetts that we're moving forward on voter rights but unfortunately we're against the backdrop that around the country is going in the other direction and as important as our state elections are obviously what's coming up in 2024 is critically important and i don't think we can underestimate the danger to democracy and i'm not simply echoing what president biden said the other night i mean that to some extent is political i i think an objective analysis would say that you know my wildest dreams whoops i think we lost secretary calvin we'll find out what his wildest dreams are hopefully in a second as we make uh reconnection wanna guess what his wildest dream is or no i i wouldn't if i were you knowing you as i do actually i think it's safer to wait for the secretary we do have to find out if he's going to the stockyard tonight don't we no he he occasionally is there that's was uh well it's a great place it is a fabulous got a great fireplace in the corner oh secretary galvin you're about to tell us as little as i thought about donald trump that he'd actually try to stage an insurrection and and prevent the election from being certified but he did and without getting into the details of all the rest of it i mean we all saw what we saw so i think confronting what we're confronting the the efforts since january 6 21 to limit voters rights to prevent voters from participating that's the challenger up against in 24. i have the expertise i think to lead a national effort on that i'm now the senior democratic election official in the country i intend to do that and by the first way to do it is what we're demonstrating here today in massachusetts that vote by mail works whether you're a democrat or republican that making access easier works and they're counting every vote no matter what it is you're probably aware we've had an issue impossible because of a mechanical problem down there i'm going to court this afternoon to make sure that the the polls remain open down there to allow people and primarily in that particular community in this election is probably more interest for republicans but it's still important the vote should be allowed to be happening and it should be counted uh that's what's important and that's the challenge ahead secretary galvin thanks so much good luck today we appreciate your time bye-bye thank you thank you very much that was secretary of state bill galvin who's running for re-election we're going to talk to his opponent tanisha sullivan in a few minutes but i think next up is andrea campbell yeah she is she is earlier today attorney general yeah i talked to shanalis reading the other democrat running for the nomination for attorney jones now joining us is uh andrea campbell counselor welcome thank you and thank you for having me pleasure thank you very much great to talk to you andrea campbell so tell us what you're doing today where you've been where you're going to be tonight what what's your strategy for the election day well crisscrossing the state i voted this morning at my polling location and stopped in some other places in boston was most recently in chelsea i'll be in quincy tonight newton later on so just continuing to get out here in person and also via phone to remind folks to get out and vote in this critical election and that the polls close at 8 pm what do you think of the most important issues confronting the uh maura hilly's successor well one i will say i'm honored to have maura healey's endorsement in this race uh she has been campaigning with me and what we've been stressing is that i'm the leader that builds upon her legacy but continues to fight for massachusetts residents housing affordability is coming up quite a bit tennis protection inflation price gouging anything and everything related to the supreme court of course reproductive health care and access to reproductive health care mental health is a major issue as well so really pushing to remind folks that this election for attorney general is critical can help them in their daily life now we need them to come out and vote today this primary is essentially the race for the democrats so what are the what are the there's a major difference between you and your opponent shall listen one i'm working for it my opponent is attempting to buy this election she has spent close to 10 million dollars of her own money in an effort to try to buy it i'm working for it just like i have for anything else i've had in my life i'm as many of the residents i've been talking to know all of my biological parents are deceased all of my biological grandparents are deceased my twin brother of course would die 10 years ago while in the custody of the department of corrections i'm the first in my family to go to college and the first in my family to go to law school and i became a public servant to give back to this great state and to make sure every resident had access to the same opportunity and so this is about public service and continuing that leadership and i'm going to continue to work for it i'm not going to try to buy it these are significant distinctions between me and my opponent you know we broached the uh nine million dollars in the most recent report that she has spent on her own race but her campaign andrea campbell is focused on the fact that according to her you had dark money through pacs and your mayoral race you have other pacs or at least a major pac in this uh race and her contention is that's terrible should be terribly troubling to voters why is she wrong i will say we have built a grassroots people-powered campaign you can't control tax you can only control your campaign and that's what i've been doing so we've raised close to 1.5 million dollars coming from residents close to 90 percent actually over 90 percent of our donations come from massachusetts residents who are investing in our campaign because we're meeting them where they are to work to earn their support she is instead pouring in millions of dollars now close to 10 i'm sure it's more than that 10 million dollars to try to buy the election so that is very different i'm working to earn it she is not and i'll just add many of those millions were made on the backs of workers settled several settlement cases where judges said i'm rejecting the settlement because you'll get 25 million dollars and your client will get 100 bucks and so i think this is important for folks to understand i've dedicated my life as a lawyer working in state government represent children for free um to push for residents of access to opportunity and i've done it as a public servant who won of course do it as the people's attorney representing the people's law firm and accountable to the people andrea campbell as always we really appreciate your time good luck today and good luck tonight thank you and hopefully people get out and vote thank you thank you so much for joining us that was uh democratic attorney general candidates jim josette andrea campbell now speaking of getting out and vote part of the province of the secretary of state's office we just spoke to the incumbent bill galvin joining us is his challenger the president of the boston branch of the naacp tanisha sullivan tanisha great to talk to you thanks for calling great to be with you thank you for the opportunity our pleasure so i'm asking you what i've asked him oh what what's that again i said and good to speak with you too marjorie thank you very much thank you very much that's right i am here as well a wise move tanisha sullivan so tanisha sullivan uh uh tell us what your strategies for today where you been where you going where are you going to be tonight well we're very excited to uh to be out on the road today we started this morning in boston of course where i cast my ballot we've already been to worcester and out to springfield we're now looping back around headed into metrowest into framingham and we'll be coming back into the greater boston area to round out the evening i think it's really important for us to continue this campaign as we always have been touching voters across massachusetts making sure that folks understand that when it comes to building a strong democracy it is all of the commonwealth not just parts of it so we're continuing to do that and i've been feeling really positive about the responses that we're getting out here obviously it is a rainy day um but we are trying to encourage and inspire and motivate people to turn out to have their voice heard on this final day of this election season tanisha sullivan i think i asked you the exact same question to open the debate with bill galvin on my show a month or so ago you're the only candidate in a contested primary challenging a sitting constitutional officer an incumbent bill galvin why should he be fired and you hired because this moment demands more jim the fact of the matter is i am now in my 20th year of corporate legal practice i am a civil rights leader as you noted i bring to this race both someone who has the technical expertise and experience of a seasoned attorney layered with someone who has been deeply connected and rooted in our communities really fighting to ensure that our democracy is working for all people we need that more than ever right now in our sponsors with so many people losing faith in our government need a secretary of state who is going to be proactive and engaged waking up every day 365 days of the year working to increase voter participation increase transparency in our government and working to ensure that our economy is working for all people especially working with and through our small business community that is what i brought office that's what i've been carrying across the commonwealth and that is how i hope to serve the commonwealth of massachusetts going forward what's the most important reform you championed to increase what you just described as voter participation which at least i think i speak for marjorie me today we both feel is pretty anemic it is very anemic and here in massachusetts we should be leading the nation when it comes to voter participation and civic engagement we have to continue to break down barriers to the ballot box with reforms like same-day registration but we also have to acknowledge that a lot of folks are losing faith and trust in our government and to repair that we need a secretary of state's office that is deeply connected to our communities working in partnership with community-based organizations really working to build trust in our communities so that we can then inspire and motivate people to vote the fact of the matter is we can we can have voting reforms in policy but if we do not couple that with the on the ground work necessary to meet people where they are to restore their faith and belief in our democracy we're not going to see the increases that we need to see that's why we need change in the secretary of state's office someone who understands certainly the policy lanes and the reforms that are needed there to break down administrative barriers but someone who also is deeply connected to our communities has a heart for the people and will work tirelessly to demonstrate that our government is worth investing in and that our democracy needs each and every one of us to participate tanisha sullivan thank you very much for joining us and good luck tonight thank you so much have a wonderful afternoon and please everyone don't let a little bit of rain keep us from having ourselves from hurricanes still time to get out to vote there is still time to get out to vote thank you very much and thank you for listening to another edition of boston public radio thank you to the people that came down here to the boston public library you can tune in tomorrow thanks to every single candidate in the contestants who called in we really appreciate that tune in tomorrow for neil degrasse tyson national security expert uh i don't know if she'll she's she'll be here she is our juliette kim okay she is going to be here environmentalist bill mckibben gbh's brian o'donovan and whoever wins the republican nomination for governor jeff deal or chris dowdy would be with us we want to thank our cruiserweight matthews and connolly mackenzie farkas gia orsino our engineer john the club parker jenny bologna and cyber child colin cockrell brandon carly and rob bagnet what are you doing on tv uh i mentioned this fabulous new documentary lies politics and democracy michael kirk the brains behind it there are a lot of brains he's the lead brain brilliant front line documentary tonight about the lives of donald trump uh it's brilliant and people should watch me with him and it a little bit later and then david alessandro former head of hancock for governor deval patrick did an assessment of the team more than a decade ago well he's still got problems he's going to tell us where we are what needs to happen that's tonight seven o'clock greater boston sounds excellent thank you i'm marjorie i'm jim thanks again for tuning in hope you can tune in tomorrow and if you haven't voted yet get out there it's election day thanks for listening [Music] you

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