Boogie On Anita Sarkeesian

let's talk about vidcon last year the great notorious anita sarkeesian and i got [ __ ] from both sides i got [ __ ] from anita let's let's let's let's set the uh let's play the setting so so what happened last year i get invited to be on a panel for cyber bullying which is a topic i talk about quite a bit right um and my premise for cyber bullying has always been very simple doesn't matter who you are you put yourself out there you're gonna catch [ __ ] um when a woman says i catch it worse than you i say probably but you know what we're both getting it so we should both work on it when a person of color says i get it worse i say you're probably right but we're both getting it yeah and we should both work on it so your point going into that panel i mean people knew that was your position right you had spoken about and i think vidcon knew when they asked me to be on it right is that i am here as a person i'm going to repeat the thing that got me in so much trouble but here i am sitting in a place of perceived privilege i am straight i'm white i am male and you guys think that makes me bulletproof right but it doesn't yeah because i've had people show up my front door to say nasty [ __ ] to my face and i've had to send boxes of [ __ ] to my front door i've had them send black dildos boxes of [ __ ] that's a bio actual boxes of [ __ ] what did you open it they sent it to the wrong address got leaked so it's my friend's house and he's like hey you got this in the mail brought it to me handed it to me open it up there's a box of horse [ __ ] and they're like [ __ ] you for xbox or something like that i think it's xbox related and somebody sent me like a 12-inch dildo to the uh p.o boxes like now you can finally satisfy your wife enjoy consummating your marriage with this thing damn people are [ __ ] right and so like you deal with that [ __ ] and i do not doubt for a second that plenty of women get it worse you know and i don't not for a second that a person to call you say that to me i believe you i've got no reason not to believe that's fine but i i my point on that panel is to say if you're a straight white man and you're in this audience and you think you're immune to it get to my level of notoriety and you'll get [ __ ] too well it's a good point and because they're all about inclusion right right but they're but uh on what inclusion sometimes results in is alienating right the majority of the population which are you know and you get what i have straight white males for example yeah and you get a lot of what you call the oppression olympics right like no i have a worse no i have a worse no i have worse yeah how about this the human condition [ __ ] sucks the world we've created is a [ __ ] show social media is [ __ ] destroying all of us and we just work on that at a base level and maybe we don't exclude the straight white men who also could help how about we don't exclude anybody how about we all just work together let's just do that yeah and that was my goal according to that panel and anita in my closing statements that's basically word for word what i said and then we got off stage and she puts her finger in my face and she's like i don't [ __ ] appreciate what you [ __ ] said up there knowing i didn't have a chance to [ __ ] respond and i'm like it was closing statements everybody got a chance to close they went to you next immediately after me i don't understand but like what i originally told you but she's she's bullying you right she's like straight up furiously all right all right now that this ball is bullying but i mean she's mad i mean she's got her finger in your face and how dare you disagree with me i'm like look i have diagnosed post-traumatic stress disorder i de-personalize during moments of great stress i'm already in a lot of pain that pain was very hard on me you're now you know got your finger in my face we need to back off for a second because i might say or do some stupid [ __ ] and i don't want to do that okay so why don't we talk about this right what were you afraid of doing i don't know it's firing back put my note finger in her face screaming at her i don't want to escalate a woman who's you know a quarter of my weight i don't want to hurt anybody i don't scream in anybody yeah you know um and i think a lot of people misperceive that as we don't want to scream at her because she's so powerful no i just she's a fellow human being i don't ever want to be caught on video much less actually screaming in the face of another person i don't ever want to reciprocate if somebody's mean to me i don't want to be mean back right um but i will do that when they depersonalize because i'll go into fight or flight and then i'll let go and then i i will call her every name of the book i don't want to do that yeah and so i'm like can we talk about this somewhere safe and she's like yep so we go backstage and i talk to her for an hour and here's what i will say and i think this is the thing that got me in more trouble than anything i think anita sarkeesian's goals might be genuine and i know that's hard for a lot of people to understand you have to accept that i feel like i think a lot of people feel that she's like a con artist and that she's like just grifting by the way maybe we should explain who she is she's like how would you describe her she's like a video game journalist right and she had a series called feminist frequency and she took like a bunch of uh gofundme money or something like that to build the series um and there's like before she made the series she said some things like i'm not a gamer i don't like video games yeah but then like she was a you know now she's like she's really good at gaming and stuff but the stuff that i've seen her do was like really trashy misleading stuff like she's walking through like a hitman game and murdering strippers right which is like not what you're supposed to do right and then she's like look how misogynist this game is you're murdering what strippers right and it's like well that's what you chose and she's right and she she would very frequently like show stuff like that but to a gamer who's knowledgeable that seems very like misleading and there's plenty of stuff that you could show that actually might represent that point why are you choosing this and i think a lot of that had to do with the writers and that that she may not be that versed and stuff like that that's all fine well anyway she's very controversial very controversial and i would say known for her for being quite right and a lot of those kind of a lot of people do not find her to be genuine specifically for reasons like that sure um and having spoke with her for about an hour well and her point is that she's a feminist so she thinks that like there's a ton of misogyny in video games right and that can reinforce and like she would pick like some of the weirdest battles like miss pac-man negatively reinforces female stereotypes because she's the mrs version of a male character and like what the [ __ ] i don't understand with a [ __ ] boat right you know but most people agree with like some of her base points like hey should there be an equal number of female protagonists as male protagonists sure why not who why not so my favorite game star female pronouns let's do that more female protagonists should they be sexy sometimes sure and sometimes not that's also okay who gives a [ __ ] yeah whatever you want to do like you're the game designer make a cool game you know but like i think most people would agree with her so she's just controversial it's definitely a point to make it's just like it depends how you do it right and that's and i think that's her biggest issue like her her methodology is is is very not great it's so it and maybe not even that it's so combative it's the opposite of what i do not really breaking through it's more like divisive i've always believed in boiling the frog right like i've always believed hey we should have same-sex marriage i love same-sex marriage let's do it but the problem is we try to get it done right now there's gonna be a huge backlash okay so let's let's try to do it in 20 years and 10 years and let's see if we can avoid the backlash right let's just like slowly methodically change minds i've always been a big fan of slowly methodically changing minds because i don't like when gay people get killed i don't like when somebody gets murdered for being gay so let's not rile up the [ __ ] crazies okay let's just go slow and easy her methodology is to rile up the crazies get right in the face put a finger in their face and say i don't like [ __ ] what you're [ __ ] saying and that's fine um but i think i think after talking to her for an hour she on some level definitely wants what best and doesn't understand that our methodology is very poor and maybe she's wrong about that and that's entirely for your audience's side that's wrong i just decided that's fine here's what i can say i came out thinking i just kind of feel bad for her because i think that she you know wants to build something great but keeps knocking it down herself every single time and i'm just like okay i don't really have a bone to pick with this woman anymore because i just kind of feel like bad and so she hopefully she'll figure it out you know hopefully she'll figure out how to get an audience hopefully she'll figure out how to keep an audience and hopefully she'll figure out something that's very difficult to do which is change people's minds right and so i told her in this conversation as my favorite conversation i had with her partner said something in there got you in trouble which part oh maybe i missed oh i said i said that um just even recognizing that i was a straight white male and that not that i personally perceive that gives me privilege but that i was trying to say you guys perceive that it gives me privilege right that's the label you put on me right i don't know that it really provides that much privilege for me where was it when i was homeless where was it when i was growing up in poverty i don't know i don't know what was doing for me then but okay if you believe that know that it doesn't make me bulletproof on this um so anyway uh during the conversation with her we talked about a great number of things probably the most frustrating thing she said to me she said steve people the reason you still get that kind of hate where a straight white man would not is because of your morbid obesity that's what they're attacking and like no they're attacking me as a person come on like they're attacking me as a person we all need [ __ ] we all catch [ __ ] right but again i don't know why she wanted to minimalize me to that but i was like i find that very well because she's playing the oppression olympics right she's like yeah sure you get bullied i'm like i find that very minimalizing and i hear that here's the thing yeah if you're telling me that straight white male is a magic bullet then that should provide that should prevent me from having that problem right right no matter how morbidly obese i am no exception right we didn't say straight white male skinny yeah because it's a straight white male yeah and that does not make me bulletproof so i don't know what to tell you went into it right but we said something yeah we have a straight mail yeah we said some good stuff too and she said some some pretty cool stuff and you know i it wasn't all bad but she she's she's like what kind of audience do you have i saw you meet you met with sargon yesterday i'm like yeah i talked to sargon in one small man he's not a terrible guy like i don't agree with most of the [ __ ] he says sometimes but that's fine i think people like her that's just not good is like you said how she just it's so much like them versus us right you know what i mean and also really not like right so she's like like i'm sure even if she sat down with sargon they could probably work out some differences and that's the thing i'll say my methodology a lot of people don't agree with it okay here's the thing i got an hour alone with anita sarkeesian do you think sargon's ever going to get an hour alone with her she she sat down to talk to me for a full [ __ ] hour and listened to me and heard me out and i'll tell you dismissed everything i had to say but that's she listened yeah sargon's never gonna get that sounds like it caused you so much stress oh it's so bad it was really great it was very even right now it was like i thought it ruined everything it sounds like all you gave is just another perspective to look at some you're like here's my perspective just right and you know like i don't put any of it on vidcon um and i don't put any on hank i don't put it on any of those guys there was a big one like there was some fallout like i remember even vidcon tweeting about there was all kinds of that whole panel was [ __ ] was surrounding her was dramatic oh yeah because the day before the day before sargon showed up and said in the front row and she decided to basically address sargon being in the front row and called him a bunch of names and stuff which i don't know you know i don't think that was right to do i would have never done that just play it i can't even imagine cool right but she did that she's like and this [ __ ] right here and [ __ ] that guy and i'm like whoa why yeah why like what's this take the high road for once like who are you teaching a moment to there yeah so anyway in our conversation she's like what is your audience like i bet it's a bunch of a bunch of a bunch of gamers i'm just a bunch of those conservative gamers i'm like well conservative because i'm very honest with you um i did a poll right after the election and about 20 some percent of my audience could or did not vote and about 30 some percent of my audience voted for hillary and about 30 percent of my audience voted for trump and she's like doesn't that [ __ ] disgust you and i'm like that's pretty much it well it's pretty much just an example of the demographic yeah right i'm like it's it's almost 30 30 30. that's a that's a democrat that's just a sample of the population i'm like that to me is a tremendous triumph that means my message can be heard by anybody and i'm like us too that everyone that watches you doesn't agree with everything you say right i'm like anita when you talk who listens people already agree with you they're quiet right but when i talk who listens people who may not agree with me right and so i i lean moderately left just slightly to the left right um and so somebody who's far right hears me say something that's moderate then they might move closer towards moderate yeah and then anita you can pick them up from there and take them all the way to the goal post but that's not for me to do because i don't give a [ __ ] about your goal post that's your goal post right i give a [ __ ] about the logical sane middle and if i can bring somebody back from either side and i get it if i pull somebody from your team back towards center that's bad i understand that but i'm bringing back people towards the logical thinking middle when i talk about the stuff and i think that's where we all need to be because that's how our country works right agreeing to disagree kindly and sweetly and and and then battling into the courts battling into the polls that's fine so we're supposed to do it not in the [ __ ] streets the way you are doing it people are getting [ __ ] killed in charlottesville what are you [ __ ] doing what are you [ __ ] doing yeah and i don't know that's you know so i i thought my career was over after the last vidcon i thought i was just done the people on the left were [ __ ] mad at me the people on the right were [ __ ] mad it's like yeah but you know here's the thing the people in the middle we're like oh no he's right that's cool and that's 80 but you don't care that's 90 of us yeah you don't hear them you

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Published: Wed Jun 20 2018

Reddit Comments

[u/DannyAristotle]

"I thought my career was over because the right and the left both hated me" "90% of people are in the center"

?????

[u/mechachap]

"Logical sane middle"

Something about him dismissing Anita's anger towards Sargon and his posse during VidCon didn't seem right. The way he frames it, Sargon is just some rando innocent Youtuber that says stupid shit from time to time, and doesn't have this vitriolic fanbase. And what's with Boogie crying about his "career being over". So whose being the drama queen here?

[u/Elmepo]

That's just Boogie being Boogie. The man is basically incapable of removing himself from the fence on virtually any issue

[u/todosselacomen]

Kindly and sweetly start a discussion with a Trumpist about how you disagree with putting children in cages and babies in "tender age" shelters.

[u/NorrisOBE]

These "muh both sides" centrist fence-sitting cowards reminds of Orwell's quote on fascism:

Pacifism is objectively pro-Fascist. This is elementary common sense. If you hamper the war effort of one side you automatically help that of the other. Nor is there any real way of remaining outside such a war as the present one. In practice, ‘he that is not with me is against me’. The idea that you can somehow remain aloof from and superior to the struggle, while living on food which British sailors have to risk their lives to bring you, is a bourgeois illusion bred of money and security. Mr Savage remarks that ‘according to this type of reasoning, a German or Japanese pacifist would be “objectively pro-British”.’ But of course he would be! That is why pacifist activities are not permitted in those countries (in both of them the penalty is, or can be, beheading) while both the Germans and the Japanese do all they can to encourage the spread of pacifism in British and American territories. The Germans even run a spurious ‘freedom’ station which serves out pacifist propaganda indistinguishable from that of the P.P.U. They would stimulate pacifism in Russia as well if they could, but in that case they have tougher babies to deal with. In so far as it takes effect at all, pacifist propaganda can only be effective against those countries where a certain amount of freedom of speech is still permitted; in other words it is helpful to totalitarianism.

http://www.orwell.ru/library/articles/pacifism/english/e_patw

Replace Pacifism with "Centrism", Fascism with "Alt-Right" and "Germany and Japan" with "Russia" and you'll get the exact same situation today.

[u/BananaFlavouredPants]

Boogie had a fucking breakdown on NeoGAF when people were explaining how he was supporting the harassment of women in Gamer Gate rather than try to respond to the criticism he was receiving or analyse what was actually going on. The dude's a fucking moron who defaults to thinking he's in the middle because he refuses to condemn bigots and Nazis.

[u/BlutigeBaumwolle]

I hate it when people say politics is about compromise and coming together. It's about defeating the opposition and implementing your agenda. In america only republicans seem to understand that.

[u/[deleted]]

protesting racism? what are you fuckin doing? just play boot up your nintendo switch and relax!

fucking gamer politics. fuck this tub of shit.

[u/KaijinDV]

Boogie looks kinda like if Jontron and Sargon did the fusion dance poorly.