Blood In Blood Out, What You Didn’t Know… Round Table Discussion with Popeye, Cruzito & Magic

sched nice the Hotel this is great we're the dancing girls I think we're it we're the dancing B Loos so now the question I always had is if Chewy was your brother oh are you going to start that again were you a loco that's the first thing I say him where'd you get that black up where' you get that black I know nice to meet right nice to meet you brother you I'm a fan homie I'm a fan brother [ __ ] my dog brother yes sir welcome brother how you doing brother Legendary Legendary likewise thank you brother like thank you for having us we just opened up in New Mexico now too really yeah which which city Alber Creek bz you know that's where uh Jimmy Santiago Baka from the writer of blood and blood out we'll go over there and visit we have to bro we have the homies there dude first of all you got to have an official 30th Anniversary Blood In Blood Out wow Banner right and we'll all hit us three will hit it up Bo so we got that right yeah and then get going up in here ASAP we got a lot of course you got to have some of Adan Hernandez's art from the movie it was the real cruso the artist who did it I have that on my wall Adan was the artist who did the art for my character cuz I don't really pay oh butan was Gilbert the drug dealer in the drug in the Galaxy oh [ __ ] he's an artist dude he's a real Cho painter yeah from that's why we own name Gilbert from son really yeah yeah I Gilbert the real Gilbert right here you know that Gilbert he can smell money a mile away man it really can you already know yeah baby an original l h wow hard as [ __ ] dude damn that's a nice for you and you alone the original exclusive what [Applause] Popeyes hey look at that these are the officials oh man this is the most classic [ __ ] ever right here D I swear to God my dad's going to love this [ __ ] all right come on to a gift I'm about to be on the bed like [Music] this I am not just papey I have done other things the official Star Trek bball card from deep space n wow dude dude have fun and these are Papa's shoes oh [ __ ] these are the actual shoes worn by papai sedra in the movie wow dude probably one of the most legendary characters ever ever in the last scene as he walks off the screen never to be seen again these are the shoes he said tell them suck my be you can tell verer that if he really wants these shoes he could suck my [Laughter] PE Verner oh yeah verer I'm talking to you yeah you got to give me some Chun Cho no Say It Isn't So oh you are you no me stay straight don't get involved you want just stay [Music] straight stay straight he said you want me to Su your oh man I thought the day I heard unreleased Tupac vocals was like a life goal type thing for me but you know today is a life goal situation for me I got the cast part of the cast my favorite movie I think a lot of our favorite movie in the building um I would introduce each other you know but I don't want to say your name's wrong cuz the way you said it was way better I can say the way you R your last name and the way you rode your last name as well I'm like I'm not going to put disrespect so if You' like to introduce ever brother ever we're here because we want to honor everything you've done Jesse Borgo right here uh I couldn't said it like that professional actor yes thank you very much thank you for having us um I am car I'm going to hit you with a big stick I am Carlos Enrique Gasco Manderville I couldn't have said that and the way you hit your last name the whole voice just changed it's amazing so I'm glad I did it the way I did it okay yes thank you brother thank you and I'm uh Victor Ras rivers and um also professional actor some of the best and a writer too wrer too yeah I have a I have a book that's been out for um about 15 years called the private family matter and uh it's currently uh sitting at Amazon Netflix and and uh NBC uh for a limited series so we'll see what happens true story true story well you know today I think it was more like a gift uh to have you guys come here from my partners at fourways they told me they could make this happen my eyes lit up they went real big I was like there's no way that this is possible because man look when I say I've I probably watched this movie I don't know probably a thousand times my current girl now um my baby mama she has a baby on the way due in March um the first test you know I this is my version of a marot test I don't know if you ever seen the Bronx tail right my version is like you want to watch a movie she like yeah what she want to watch I'm like I want to watch blood and blood out you ever seen it she's like no all right cool turn on YouTube Why YouTube That's cuz the streaming services are whacking don't have it right now and so we start watching and we're halfway through the movie and they hit this little silence spot on YouTube right like damn the link We the link we got is a bad we went through three other links and I said you know what hold up went to my little uh vintage little shelf in in the front room and grab the DVD I said play the DVD player in and she said you know what she said start from scratch so we're all throwing off I said you're the one probably marry that girl because so that's my marot test you know what I'm saying it's it's an important movie to the whole culture I think that you guys have impacted people from my My Generation to even my father's generation he was so excited today about this he's 74 you know what I'm saying he was like send him my love man he said there's no way you're going to sit down with these guys today so you guys did a good job and I fired up to have you guys here well congrats to fourways entertainment but uh you know for us knowing the brand and knowing you uh as a businessman and always wanting to support you know Latino owned businesses I think it was important for us to celebrate the 30 years of this classic together it's crazy man it's been 30 years has it has it's it's been a while too cuz I wonder like myself as an artist like I'm known for a lot of things but when it comes to music I'm known for one song There's always people always say hey man 20 joints I love and it's like man I put out 50 albums 50 50 [ __ ] albums each album probably has anywhere from 10 to 21 songs but that one stuck with people for whatever reason it did and I wonder I mean you guys have been in a lot of films you know I looked at all your films I've seen you guys in films for years and you've been in pretty pretty Epic Big films as well as yourself and yourself as well like do you feel like this one stuck harder than anything else you guys have done and if so why why do you think this impacted so hard well for me that is an enduring question and in fact it's interesting to hear you say that You' seen the film an Untold number of times you know one of the things that I uh for for a long long time I really pushed back on doing the meet and greets you know in fact I think the first meet and greet I ever did was with you Jesse cuz you called me up one time in santaa that you can remember cuz I I got the phone call and he say come on down I'm like I don't know how to do that I don't do that and stuff but part of it was I didn't I kind of I didn't want to do it and I'll tell you very honestly one of the reasons I didn't want to do it was because I felt kind of like I I felt like oh this thing has happened and now people see me in a certain context which I am not from I had this whole massive impostor syndrome thing going on yeah for sure because it's not obviously you're truly a professional actor and I've seen you in other films like can spe right CL and speed classic film totally different role right but like this is the one that people can't unsee you in I understand that I know you know and but I'm forever grateful to you for pushing pulling me out and and and getting me out there to meet the fans because since I started doing that first of all I'm so grateful to the Latino Community specifically the T Latino Community because they they got rid of all that impostor [ __ ] like right off the bat fuing it was like so I mean I'm like and and that that Embrace and that love because it is kind of love and everything uh has been so rewarding and I'm so happy for it now and but but then it sparked my curiosity because since I'm meeting the people now the real people who follow this movie I started asking them questions which is the same question I'm asking you it's like why what is it about this film that makes it so engaging that makes you watch it a thousand times I'm like please explain this question so I think that like I think that one you guys we related to that film more than than a lot of other films out there right I think that like and I've done a lot of research on the film because I asked myself that question too why is this film an obsession to me right there's only a few of them like that it's like you know in order it's probably Blood In Blood Out it's probably good Fellas it's maybe Casino maybe a bronx tail right um Godfather of course and there's a couple of them but blood and blood out was always the most authentic to me and once I started doing research I found out that the reason why it was the most authentic to me is is probably the most authentic film because in a sense like the director had to go tap in with real organizations right the you can't do films about these kind of topics and and and get away with it if you're not actually really seeking permission to do in the right way so I feel like for that aspect of it it resonated because they had to put respect on the kind of characters that were in the film the kind of like groups that were in the film it felt real also how many films have really been made for Latinos think about that especially at that time it was unique it's it's one that came for all of us and we we quote your uh roles and your lines in that movie probably every day I call this guy my girl says you just like to call him to hear him say oh yeah and it's a part of our life in the sense of like bro like no one was really doing anything for us right and so all my homies from here to Arizona to you know you name it bro we that was our thing it was it felt like that was something for us and it didn't really come around like that much more you know I think the problem with Hollywood from what I've seen this is the reason why I actually got into writing movies and and directing movies and putting my own money into movies and we're doing our first one Nows because they just kind of like decide to make what the buyer wanted and I feel like that was a rare moment where someone wrote someone be something beautiful and something powerful with real meaning with real politics with real [ __ ] that resonates with humans that's actually going through real [ __ ] in the moment and it got through and it got put out but maybe that's the reason why it's on well there you go right because you can't find it for the life of you so this is interesting because you know on the way in we pass that Quin yeah and so you know for the for the you know for the True Blood and blood out andan they know that when they say San Quinton we're in San Quinton and so the the biggest Revelation and and why um you know uh we were allowed to film in San Quinton is that the warden read the script and loved it and said who wrote this this guy knows what he's talking about so the warden in the movie is the warden of San Quinton really Daniel Vasquez wow so do a great job so he and and and so it was Jimmy Santio bak's words you know here here's a here's a guy who you know from New Mexico who taught himself to read and write in prison you know that's that that's where he came into language and so language allowed him to to you know to reveal his pain and his and his violence and his suffering and all these things and that's in the and and that's through off the movie there are moments where especially at the end of the film where you know I've always said that if if this film was at the right studio uh Jesse should have been nominated for an Oscar for his for his performance because he not only has he's not only the artist which is Adan you who this incredible Cho artist but he's also he and many times is the he's the Poetry of of Jimmy Santiago Baka if you if you ever have an opportunity to see Jimmy live do his poetry it's phenomenal and that'll be in in the this new book that'll be coming out next year but that to me was the The Experience for for all of us because we all got thrown in for different reasons um I grew up in a lot of violence in you know in my home and I took it out to the streets um and so when I walked around s Quinton uh and nobody knew my real name in s Quinton I was I was magic all day long because that's the way I protected myself but I could have been magic in real life CU I was I was a gang member the only difference in my era was we didn't have guns so we you know so I was able to uh get away from the game because I was a good athlete and Athletics paid my way and I live with families throughout high school that gave me home and the you were a Miami Dolphin for God's s the Miami Dolphins you played I played Florida state Florida State seminal and then I was I was the first Cuban American to be given a trial with the Miami Dolphins so it was a big deal but the last family that took me in here's here's a Hollywood Story the last family that took me in was a Cuban family their last name is aaria which nobody could say in Hollywood their son became an actor his name is Steven Bower who is Manny from Scarface he's and so he's my brother since I we were 16 17 years old it's actually his birthday today and and so USA gang remember that remember that gangster right there so there was a way to you know for you know for my journey throughout the film um it was it from an actor standpoint of all the films I've done you I've been you know big big you know Hollywood films Master Roar all these distinguish gentleman with Eddie Murphy all these but but the full immersion if if an actor tells you what's your favorite film well of course blood and blood out is for me for the specific reason that it was a full immersion it's like I would do a scene I'm put my glasses on I would do a scene as magic and I would turn around and the real my my real Calas were right behind me the real guys and I do a scene and I would just turn around and they would just look at me and go like this that's it just just a little the little headbob and I go okay you know so for the people watching right like there's an obsessed fan like myself that's watching a crazy amount of times even search for a reason why I've watched it so many times and then there's just fans across the world and so you Dro something that might have went above their head you guys not only shot this in s Quinton but there was only seven actors is what I read aloud and at a time crew and staff whatever but actors s so that means that all the people in the background are actual prisoners you guys were actually filming in Quinton there's no there's no extras those are convicts yep those are convicts real real guards except for the one except for one guard that you know that that has the the the role in in the film everybody else that you see around us the real they're real guards they're real it's not like um the prisoners were like behind a cage while you guys acted you guys were in the mix yes in a real [ __ ] prison and probably one of the most dangerous prisons in the world that's time the most notorious prison in the state of California today by the way San Quinton is the most rehabilitated prison in the state of California really yeah they they brought in all these new programs I don't know it's because of our film because wow but it when we were there it was remember s Quinton was built for 2500 inmates when we were there there was 5,500 inmates so everybody was and it was [ __ ] active back it was bad and and it was you know literally when we would walk the you have to know the makeup trailers were right in the prison yard and so as you can see I have absolutely no tattoos on my body and you know Magic's covered in tattoos so I would go in get get tatted up in the trailer with us would be Billy Bob Thorton would be Del Roy Lindo the minute we stepped out of the trailers we could not talk to each other for the rest of the day because we had to go he you know the black R family to the Aran Brotherhood to ma or Familia because they were both kind of in there yeah and uh and and that was it for the rest of the day and and so we we'd only see each other back and they they put us in a funky Hotel down the street here somewhere um you know with only like a bar so that was only we could just go and have a drink afterwards everybody you see in in the scenes are the real guys and and and stuff went down there were lockdowns there were there were stabbing things and where we'd have to hit that's that's what I was going to say so I want to go down the down the road I want to start with you what's the craziest experience that you had with the inmate like cuz obviously bro they're probably like [ __ ] homie we're in here for Life the [ __ ] in here filming a [ __ ] film they got a [ __ ] trailer they're probably going to eat a little snack to BR what was the crazi experience you had absolutely this is the last day of filming we we had to be out that day so we were in there for about 15 16 hours when you go you know like on a normal film set Jesse's got a 5: a.m. call I have a 10: a.m. call no when we went to S quiton we all went in together and we all went out together and if you didn't fil through the afternoon too bad you had to just sit around all day and wait for your scene so this is the very last day I finished my my my my film when we're in a Cell Block you know with the tears going up and they put me in a you know I'm done so I'm I'm off sitting in the director's chair and I'm just sitting there and uh and I suddenly feel something hit my head and I go like this and it's and it's gooey and whatever and it's it's somebody spit on me oh [ __ ] and I look up and it's a third tier and it's this guy from the film named animal who's a guy who sells cigarette there one SE where he walks by he's got the big beard and I look up and he's he's laughing and I lost it and I go hey you [ __ ] and I start going up I'm going up the I'm going up the steps and I get intercepted by like five guards and they like they grab me and they take my ass outside and they and they and you know what the hell are you thinking I go I go that guy disrespect respected me you know I was locked in I was magic and I'm also a man that you don't [ __ ] spit but I they so they gave me they put me in a Timeout they put me in a they put in the office for hours until they were done filming and they brought me out because because had I gotten past the guards I probably have got you're [ __ ] active at the craziest moment for me where where where I was by that point I was magic I was no longer myself yeah because it was you guys how long do you guys shoot for like well they were supposed to be I remember because that at that time when they went to Quinton I said you know what I'm going to go back to San Antonio to visit my family and hang out with Adan who was painting Adan Hernandez was the artist he played Gilbert Gilbert he played at Gilbert in the movie at the gallery scene so he was in San Antonio painting the the paintings so I said let me go get my technique in I hung out with them and they said for a month next thing you know they call me and they go we're not done yet I let my that's why I was able to grow the whole look because you guys got stuck there an extra longer month so you guys were filming in there for about a month so they got stuck like Chuck how how could you not be in character and also like when you get around some [ __ ] like that you have to you have to adapt with your climate you have to just kind of change up cuz if you're just too you know what I mean yeah oh and and one just this is just a this is a story because of where we were filming cuz you know people don't realize that that San Quinton is in San rafhael but it's also Marin County where there's a lot of money yeah so at the end of the night I sometimes I needed to go out and exercise so I would go out in a tank top and I would go running and and I'm you know I'm a as you can see I'm a pretty light-skinned Latino but you know I was D from the film and I had all the tats on me they didn't come off they didn't come off I was getting profiled I had follow me there's big guy running and they looking like magic and they like actually follow me around and I realized that's what it feels like to get profiled because because I've never been profiled that's that's real profile yeah yeah I was lucky I I I was only there half the time because you know popey gets paroled you know so I got to go home early you know but um oh there's so many stories about the whole s Quenton part starting with the fact that we all had to sign um an NDA or whatever you call it stating that we understood that no that s Quenton maintains a no hostage bargaining policy right as in if you all want to come in here all you Hollywood guys and and shoot in the thing you're welcome to but if anything happens right if you get snatched and grabbed and stuff like we don't negotiate bro so going in that's too high we had to like sign our lives away literally you know like if these guys come at us well that's life I could go on about sanwen forever but just a couple of highlights you know one of the things that cuz you you you're right we were in there Sur all of the background guys are the real deal they're real okay so there's a little there's there's amusing stories about that because we they took us up on field trips before we ever shot you know they took us to show us around and and meet the corrections guys and everything and and and be tutored about how you act in in in the prison you know and I'll never forget like the the the the corrections guys were telling us things like whatever you do do not talk to the inmates don't talk to them you know it's like when you when you're around them don't don't because you said they don't call them cons for nothing you know these guys have all day long to be dreaming up schemes and stuff like that and the first thing they're going to try to do is run some kind of scheme on you so just don't even talk to them okay um it's like okay oh yes sir we advice well taken of course as soon as we got in there you know we're surrounded by them I remember the very first scene was in that dining hall that that scene you know where I I I tutor miklo and stuff and there were all these guys in there all screaming and yelling and coming up to you and and literally you're packed in there next to them cuz you're in the scene you're in their home yeah you're in their home and they're like you got a cigarettes what do you and you're like I'm not supposed to talk to you I mean you know it doesn't work it doesn't work you know what to the to stories first of all with with regards to the cons this just cracked me up so we get in there and the first day of shooting and the first the first day of shooting was that in that old dining hall with I think that they they had like quote unquote on additions and picked about 500 of them you know the the the the less murder ones to to work on the film you know but but one of the corrections guys explained to us he says you know these guys they all were sign signing up to work on the film and we're like okay well that's interesting because they want to be in Hollywood and said no no let me explain something to you about life in the joint uh an average convict's day consists of being awakened at 6:00 a.m. whatever the hell it is that they they wake up they go to breakfast and you know bathroom and stuff like that after that if you don't have a place to be in the prison meaning like the one of the most treasured things in the prison was a job you know working in the laundry working in the kitchen working in the library whatever but that's a very limited amount of jobs if you don't have a place to go and do after the meal between the meals you have two choices you either go back in your cell and get locked up until the next meal or you go out in the yard you know whatever the weather is whatever it is and so that's why you see all the guys out there lifting weights and just like that because it beats the heck out of being locked up you know in the thing so when this opportunity came up it represented a reason to not be locked up in the cell all day it's like yeah sure I'll go be in the movie with these Hollywood [ __ ] whatever so that was like an interesting little bit of information but now we get to the first day of shooting and it's the big dining room uh scene so there they need tons of them and I remember showing up to the set and there was this whole line of them they were all lined up against the the prison wall you know waiting to be to be called and they were all standing there with little uh brown paper bags you know that they were holding and the paper bags were their lunch provided by the prison which basically was like a banana or an apple and a baloney sandwich and there they are with their their lunch okay so we're shooting scenes and stuff like that then it's lunchtime it's lunch break and they'll you know go off and be with your little paper bag and they see us lining up at the catering truck that's that's and it was like you know it's like oh more prime rib oh he said we have lobster today and this you know Sushi yeah Sushi and these dudes are like chewing on a dry baloney sandwich that lasted about two days Suddenly by the third or fourth day they're on strike they're not going to work because again like the Corrections Officers and Warners they're not stupid they're not dumb they're cons and they said why you need them yes because they had figured out and they did wait for two or three days that there is a thing in film making called continuity yeah you can't have the guys now gone yeah you can't pick up the the the dining room scene again and all of a sudden that whole table is gone you know so they had leverage and they said we want Hollywood food yeah but we're not showing up wow and this was the whole thing and the Baba and the trailers and the producers remember Straten Leopold and they're making phone calls and [ __ ] like that pulling his hair out and you know what they got their own food truck yeah I bet you Taylor was the first one that said yes please do it yeah yeah yeah I remember hey shout to them though cuz they figured out and and they part they make a classic film and honestly I don't think that anyone could ever do that again in today's world I don't think if I walked into sand Quint with the most incredible script ever they would let me do that today in today's world plus you know we just came out of a strike and one of the big issues in the strike was CGI and Ai and stuff like that because nowadays technology-wise hello you just shoot five convicts and generate them generate that whole scene with computers right and and also even in that time period uh they would go to an empty prison and then fill it up with with extras guys said maybe were ex ex consons ex gang members whatever and do it that way we were in a a working prison workon and and uh and just one and this is a really there was only one moment where it was where it was a uh U I really got to see and feel the the prison we were we were filming on this on a an upper tier which is right next to death row so we had access to everywhere in the prison but death row and while we were up there suddenly the death row door opens there's four guards and it's the only time you'll ever see a guard with with with rifles on the ground because they can get taken away from but there's four guards and they're going to lead a death row inmate out to go to the infirmary because he's not feeling well and in the old days they would yell dead man walking but they yelled escort and the minute they yeld escort and those doors open all the inmates that were around us literally and we we watched and then we we followed suit as soon as that that inmate started walking all everybody in that yard in that upper yard turned their back on the inmate they just turned around because they didn't want to look at him because he's dead he's a dead man damn and so so we we turned around too but it was you know the one and only time that happened but it was we we happened to be in that in in that moment up and we had to stop filming and they they walked this guy across with the rifles and everybody turned around I remember that yeah we had to stop filming another time because we actually had a killing like right in the middle of of uh cuz we were shooting out in the yard and all of a sudden there was a commotion and everything and the horn is going off and whatever and the crowd parts and there's body lying on the ground somebody got shived right there you know and of course when that happens immediately lock down lock down whatever everybody what and and tayl I remember Taylor he's so cute he's like well but I'm not sure about I'm I'm going to lose the light just like that probably would have been the perfect opportunity they're probably like look everyone's distracted right now there's a lot going on they're probably focused on keeping these gentlemen safe we could probably make a move on somebody someone got hit during the film yeah what's what's your crazi crazi experience in San Quinton well you didn't go to S I went to San Antonio I went to San Antonio uh I went to San right and you know where I come from I come from the vario so you know in our family there's you know there's a lot of uh there's a lot of uh incarceration right especially and this is why I wanted to represent kuso in my family it's been artists dude it's been musicians it's been artists that have lost their careers to getting caught up but even worse what they do to you at the low level because incarceration I mean if you if you talk to a lot of what was going on half the population shouldn't be there to begin with right at and that's what they're praying so that whole perception of oh they're all here for a reason yeah probably half of them are hardcore but there's the other half that are not and they're the ones that are caught up we still with system so that was part of the amlo story right the whole idea of recidivism right so in my family I wanted to represent that but without the prison experience right so when I was over there with Adan and I'm and I'm watching him paint these painting it's hilarious story because I think we'd been on the film maybe about two months and he goes so what are you going to do you going to paint or not and I said what he goes you watch me paint you study me you ask me questions but I have you have yet to touch any of these paintings he goes you know put put you know get down James Brown and I said uh Adan these are masterpieces they're for a million dooll movie I'm not a painter I'm an actor what the I go I'm going to ruin it he goes if you make a mistake we just scrape it off and we start again so I went wow I didn't realize that so as I'm sitting there learning about painting with him I hear hey they're going to be there another month do you want to come visit and I went why do I want to go to a Maximum Security Prison I know what prison looks like and they go well they're shooting a movie there and I went I've been to a movie set I know what that is I go I don't think they're having a good time and when I would hear the horror stories which are great because to us they're they're you know they're War Stories for us so when I remember when we had the the Hun in 2017 atas and for the first time they gathered everybody especially a lot of laa right so when you guys were sitting on stage and they were asking them questions and you guys told me that story but this is where Taylor hatford is such an incredible leader all right so Taylor the director right first thing he does like you said cultural authenticity he hires Jimmy Santiago Baka a real Cho poet and writer from Albuquerque who actually did present time knew what it was all about and he's the one that created the whole vato Lo story right the kamarada stuff but the anchor was ultimately the plot was what was happening in prison right that was the plot so it was when I'm working on the vat's local story and making sure that it's culturally authentic and we have a feel-good you know tragic story about all of this that happened to these three guys these other incredible actors and the only time I got to see them was at the reading when we first got down and I knew it when we had the first reading I went man this movie is going to win Academy Awards so but I didn't get to go to prison so I didn't see any of the stuff they did until I actually saw the film and then in later years as as I've talked to them about the experience as a professional actor but an artistic Latino and what they put into those characters and that's why people love this film because remember that's the plot of Blood In Blood Out that whole prison laa growth of laa and how and how a crew falls apart we see it happen every day still I mean just if you're really from the [ __ ] if you're from the street if you have a creu that's what resonates oh it's real people fall apart we all know we all I mean especially like being Latino that everyone has a mlo you know what I mean and their family right that has that has extra to prove that's not being accepted right just because the colors that [ __ ] really resonates I mean it's real right and so you know it just it was such a good film and I wonder like I mean how much how much what was the budget for this film I think it was around 20 I want to say between 20 and 30 mil um I could be wrong it's says 14 14 wow I can answer that question in two seconds keep going oh yeah do it it'll tell you the yeah because I mean when you think about it that's a little budget a little big but you know the reality of it was and you talked about this earlier but what happened and the reason why the studio backed off of it is because they weren't really part of it how hwood pictures was like its own Army Jeffrey kenberg and Taylor were the ones who were really the the instigators of taking blood and blood out into a multi-million dollar green light right so when we went with it we're going to make this movie it's going to break cultural boundaries they were making America me at the same time so Edward James almost was doing pushing the boundaries as well so we were about to break out as the Latino wave this was 91 when this was happening so it was going to win Academy Awards but I think once the cultural Wars happen and the street Wars especially with the authority with what happened with uh Rodney King the LA riots so the riots happened right before we released and so I think at that point there was a real big fear of a authentic story from the streets crazy so they backed off of it and then they got into a whole War about getting it out just getting and that's why it has the name Bound by Honor they Chang the only condition that they gave Taylor was like look we don't want to put it out theatrically but we'll let you do it if you change the title and so that's why it became but the good thing about that is even though it didn't win Awards what it did is it extended the life of the of the piece throughout the decade because it didn't come out as blood and blood out until 95 or so it was Bound by Honor from 93 till about till till pap payview that was when pay-per-view was taken basically the studio orphaned it yeah they just said [ __ ] it they they dropped it like a hot potato you know it's interesting because you're getting into film making now um but I one thing that I've observed um in this industry is that there are so many elements that have to align for something to actually be a success oh len my stomach hello and it's still ready for succeed what happened with this I know I mean I'm just saying that there are so many different things that can sync a project I mean you can have a beautiful Gem of a film and the pr campaign is wrong man you know or whatever or something uh you know in fact Taylor has been through this more than once because several years after um this is an example of what I'm talking about several years after Blood In Blood Out Taylor did directed another film big big Studio Movie Hollywood movie big Hollywood stars in fact the stars were Russell Crow when he was hot coming off Gladiator and all that stuff and America's sweetheart Meg Ryan and Taylor did a movie called I believe the name of the movie was Ransom oh Ransom was good yeah it's good film it is a good film it tanked because that was the film where M Ryan decided that she was going to have a thing with Russ Crow and whatever and and and that's all the Press wrote about it's usually good for a film yeah well it didn't work this time you know and Al all of the publicity all of the thing all of the press and the press and the Press was about that and not about the film and so it kind really impacted the movie there's some now in the case of Blood In Blood Out who knew the Rodney King thing was going to happen who knew it was going to create all these race La was going to burn to the ground and so forth and so on that sh was that sh was wild you there was a story that there was a shooting at a Vegas uh screening and that that's when they backed off of it so that's say CU when it came out I was a kid right that's I was in high school believe or something like that either e8th grade or ninth grade uh but but did you see it as Bound by Honor in the theater I saw I I believe that we rented it from Blockbuster okay so it was already on on yeah cuz remember it come out on video back in those days it wouldn't come out in video till 8 months mhm uh if even that and but sometimes it's even longer this so did it roll out in theaters at first as Bound by Honor okay but it made nothing at the box office because they didn't push it like that they didn't push bom nobody knew yeah people were going like oh when is blood and B coming when is blood and and then some movie called uh bom bayor opened up and and everybody yeah but what about Blood In Blood Out so it was a deliberate move bro why you guys think that something like America because there's a big debate and and I and I have this debate a lot with especially with my friends that our movie bust American me or uh blood and blood out and I pick a blood and blood out all day right but why was American me and why is American me still available right like what do you think it is with that because it's kind and we'll get into it because I believe it's a very similar story I believe that maybe it's based on the same Gody I want to kind of ask what you guys think about this cuz it is based on the same on uh peg leg right Floyd Mutu if you look at Floyd Mutu is is credited with the first screenplay right Jimmy Baka took that and created the Vos locals and you know uh authenticated the prison stuff so Floyd then is also executive producer on American me so he basically to take the roote and make two different movies I think American me is a good film dude it's it's one of my favorite films of Eddie is because he included all of the Cho actors that I knew at that time were that were not working so I love the fact that there was two latino films being produced we all got to work now what started the whole this and that I think that was all just publicity uh you know between the production companies to try to get mine is better or it's competitive so say you have two science fiction movies well hello the one wants to get to the SC to the theater first so I think that then became the driver for that but when you look at the two films they're they're night and day dude they're apples and oranges they're totally different and they hit they hit different for different reasons American me is good for a certain reason blood and blood out's good for a certain reason but we always felt like someone it's the we always felt like it was the same story as kids we're like man it's it's so similar you got like a you got like a white guy that's like a Latino white guy and that ends up being like the shock hard ends up having like the boss kind of knocked off right like and takes power and takes position right it's like it's almost like the same story it has its own character it own personality was shot to it is basically the same probably that's probably because Floyd is on boat that's cuz Floyd is on boat yeah you know but but Floyd once once once that first version came out and Jimmy Santiago took took over it that's when we got it and that was Cho Shakespeare and and I I think that that was probably a process they had to do over there dude they had to probably what came out first I mean americ me and I think the thing with American me is that this my version of it um Taylor is a tremendous perfectionist you know so this is the when Taylor when we first started shooting the film and they gave out the the the the screen play you know to us I remember looking at it and it was like this thick it was like the phone book and I'm like what the hell this is like you know because you know an average film uh screenplay is like 100 something 100 and something 110 say on average you know between 110 120 this thing was like 300 pages long I like well he's not going to really do this clearly they're going to be cuts and stuff like that so everybody was expecting that no Mr haer went ahead and he shot that entire Biblia you know and then when he presented his first cut to the studio it was 4 hours and 45 minutes long yeah you know where's that cut at ah the Holy Grail now you're talking about the Grail so anyway so then that got into a bounce back and forth with the studio because the studio said no no no 2 hours and Taylor said minimum three 2 hours three so then they got that started a process that lasted over a year of cutting a three-hour version and testing it and then you know the the the you know and then cutting a 2hour version and testing it and back and forth and back and forth and it's it was very funny because when you try to cut 4 hours and 45 minutes down to 2 hours you're going to have to lose a hell of I can do it well you know no because you're going to lose a hell of a lot of information so what they started to do was bring us all back in again to do ADR you know to to revoice certain things well we had to revoice a whole lot of it anyway the stuff that was shot in the prison because no matter it was too loud and stuff like that pretty much that entire first uh dining hall scene had to be revoiced Cinderella yes yeah because the audio well that's that's because they were Superior talented actors that makes sense them lines are hella crispy it was all it had to be revoiced plus remember we had to dub the whole movie into SP those of us who could did our own um Spanish uh dubbing you know everybody couldn't but whatever whatever but anyway um so so they're doing a three-hour version 2-hour version three-hour 2-hour version and in order to get all the information necessary for the story to make sense they started doing crazy stuff like bringing us in to voice pieces of dialogue the literally they hunted and Peck for a scene like well oh oh here's the back of his head so I remember going into to do ADR and they would go okay here's a new line we've written for you now look we're going to run it down for you okay you see it here you see where it's the back of your head that's where you say this you guys get chance see the uh four and no no no no no no holy Grill you're talking holy Grill so anyway so there so but this process went on back and forth for like pretty much a year so that a lot of us started calling the movie year in year out because it's like when does this end you know and in that intervening Year American me finished they did their post they did their publicity they did whatever and then they opened the movie and so you know it was out and they got their reviews and everything tons of time before the whole Rodney King thing all of that [ __ ] happened American me had already opened it had its run whatever we're still yeah we're still waiting on when are we going to release this movie and what is it going to be called you know and then that's why cuz somewhere in that process they had figured out cuz it was going to be two movies we signed contracts for two movies well you know that's why Taylor had the long version right I know and that he was trying to con he told me he goes I said hey there's a rumor that there's a 5H hour version can you once and for all tell me what that's all about yeah he goes I showed it to Disney he goes I was trying to convince them I had enough for two well I had it already yeah he said I have it but they weren't two scripts give me well he was going to talk no no no no no no no there was a literally a whole other script cuz I remember having a talk with Jimmy buaka because he told me you know what uh in part two is where I'm really going to go deep into your relationship with Miko and know because but they hadn't written any of that yeah I know but but you know but I'm saying when you watch convince them look I've already shot two movies that's what he was trying to do but have you ever asked yourself he didn't say I got to do another one he was like look I got it let me finish it at that point they went bro we're not going to let you put out one he went what they'd already given up on it we're sending to VHS yeah and he went that's the I'm Taylor I can imagine that I'm a Academy Award winning Taylor hacker and they went uh and so that's when uh he got them to basically say look if you can change the title cuz we ain't putting blood and blood and blood out on it anymore so you better [ __ ] sabotage and that's when they started having to Tool it all down I know that's not the original end the the other no I know that because I was getting to that because you shot that last scene a year later you had no hair because you were doing voice sck in New York I remember that they flew you in yeah I had the and you had no hair the original ending so because they wanted to do a two-parter the original ending was so open-ended the original ending was me with the other two vatos chewy and Frankie same scene look at this mural they didn't mark it up you know we're from East laws we were chased by hounds but none of the emotional content no closure so the biggest uh the biggest comment at the previews were so what's up is there another one what happened to miklo and so I think all of that was just it's not going to be two movies it's not going to be two movies so I can't imagine that God willing chop it down there will be I mean he could deconstruct it right well listen just speaking as popey who had not I wasn't done acting but I mean you know when you think about the character of pap the last time you see him is when he makes that phone call oh yeah you like you know and and and and he does that and he hangs up the phone and he walks off the screen no closure so yeah because there was going to be more popey here's here's my thoughts so the reason why I really wanted you guys to come here today is because the sign that sits above us cookies is the gift that keeps giving and you know I I have visions and manifestations that one day this will bring liquidity to me I'm building company I don't make any money off cannabis currently because we put all into our business we hyper growth so I know that hopefully one day there'll be some kind of like liquidity right and so as I get myself into the film as I get myself into you know writing scripts and [ __ ] with scripts and understanding the business and understanding that the lack of authentic good films because the Hollywood buyers are not really existent anymore right and uh I just feel like man like what would be the possibility of connecting on doing a part two and doing a totally different part two and I'm talking about involving everyone from the top to the bottom and bringing the finances to the table and having cuz I thought all the same as a fan I thought all the same things you you thought what what happens to Meo you become [ __ ] what what happens to his journey as like the boss right what happens to you you're on the streets you made that call do you end up getting killed or you [ __ ] you end up what happens cuz it could be any kind of which way so you know my goal in life is to bring some kind of liquidity into into my into my you know my little bank account and start seeing through projects I'm passionate about and so if the writers still around and passionate if what's up with part one could we grab part one back from the studio could we actually properly put it out on real streaming services so people don't have to go find ancient DVDs right can we can we come out with a part two where it's like this is now this is later in life this is It's addressing our stories and cuz I feel like it's possible right I feel like that even if he shot a bunch of stuff that's still around it wouldn't be relevant to put out right now it'd be relevant to put out now you guys are still here you guys are still good at what you guys do I've seen you recently and I've seen both of you recently working with the team we working out with movies right now anyways right so all we'd have to do when we're putting this in the universe is get the rider on Deck go if hopefully he smokes butt hopefully God willing he smokes butt and he's a fan of cookies and we sit down with him Jimmy smoke I I would smoke DMT with Jimmy if means that we can sit down and and actually talk about doing a part two of right now right now it's [ __ ] 20 [ __ ] 23 all these years have pass prison politics are still a thing so I can answer part of that question but without without giving up any information because I've had the conversation with Jimmy and uh so he does have he does have a part two and we we are we are all much older that's all I'll say so there is there is it's out there um it's it's a matter of of you know will you get Taylor I don't know I I don't I don't think so but who knows but but I there there's a second there's you know there's he he I think that I think this is something that could come out and kill the box office is the way the NWA did because NWA came out and the [ __ ] culture came out for that thing and it was a good move it was cool but I know that our people are deep shout out to my homie Bruce batty who played uh who played Ice Cube a dad man listen that's my homie Bruce that movie shocked the movie industry because they were like damn hit box offices like that I know that if blood and blood out part two came out with the same players well probably if you promoted it right well of course and I think the issues are are always going to be the same dude the issue is that the guy the people that own the the the cop the trademark to it the copyright to it that own the rights to it don't care about it don't want it don't even admit that they made it right so you got to convince them of that however Taylor and Jimmy and that's one of the reasons that were coming out with this blood and Blood Out book Legacy right you need to come to that so this blood and Blood Out book they'll both be there so hat and beard publishing press is coming out with this blood and Blood Out book and it's Taylor hackford and Jimmy Santiago vaka journals his from his director journals uh Jimmy Santiago is going to write original poetry for the book the writer executive producer but it's going to have 300 original photos of Merrick Morton who was our photographer right who's a wellknown uh Street photographer he he he takes pictures of a lot of plas but he also is a well-known he shot uh what was it uh Taylor's other film uh laa colors lot yeah he shot a lot of that that set photography so the pictures you see that's mer Morton but Blood In Blood Out all the photos you see of us in character that's Merck Morton so it's going to have 300 original front and behind the scenes photos of the movie it's going to have all of Adan Hernandez's art kuso's art in it all in one book and then like I said original writing so it's a beautiful table book it's going to be available uh hat and beard publishing is the Publishers you think you think Disney will sell that film the first film and the rest to it I have no idea I don't I don't think that's how companies do it dude I don't I mean right now they're making a lot of moves but I don't know if that's one of the moves they make I mean it's it's I I like the way you think and that's one of the reasons I'm a fan of your brand because I've seen you and I've followed you as you've grown this brand and what I like is that one you're authentic to who you are number one right as rasan as as as the field you're in but two I've seen your business moves right and it's always about coming up right can we bring each other up can we do it together we I look at cookies like a platform dog like we've helped launch we've helped launch so many other brands so many other breeders we've always been about you know the actual people creting the genetics we've we've helped launch a lot of products and we've always been there as a platform you go in the cookie store you know melro is the old location we're open up a new one soon it' be all the other brands maybe 25% cookies the rest of other brands interal you got an international store we're we're we're everywhere yeah all around the world but I take pride in like people coming into my store cuz it's cookie stores and discovering other brands I think that's cool because I could just have it all cookies and and kill it right but I knew that like by supporting other brands and you're kind of like you you have a different position at the table you know what I'm saying like people look at you like man this is our guy opposed to man this guy's [ __ ] [ __ ] up type [ __ ] and so and now as you go into content creation like when you're these guys you're partnering with fourways entertainment Victor did a movie with them right what was Darkness sing Dark Latino Film Festival which they got them an HBO contract and right as they were about to launch them Co hit yeah so so it was just you know unfortunate timing but but uh and then I did a piece with them called addicted to you uh David and and Alex director and writer incredible too yeah incredible you know but they're four- ways entertainment so now what you're doing by collaborating with them I was looking at a script that you guys were working on together so I see that you're wanting to expand into cultural narrative right that's what blood and blood out represents the success of the cultural it's a cult classic too it's the film that matters like it's film that like matters so much that I think about like you know most people that worked this hard on something like cookies if they got liquidity they think about buying a house in Maui or maybe going to [ __ ] Dominican Republic and buying a crib or maybe getting some kind of crazy U watch I'm thinking about bringing part two to life right because that's the kind of [ __ ] I'm passionate about and dream my goal in the space is partner with fourways we got our first film called Splash City it's about um San Francisco and the smash and grab culture they call it bipping how they pop a window every 30 seconds out here don't leave nothing in your car and then the second film is going to be called Flathead it's a like a urban slasher I'm going to film it at my lake house in Montana uh it's going to be just a good horror film then we're going to do a film called slide about credit card scamming a crew out of rich uh right across the bridge the three girls put you know put people onto the game of making fake credit cards and the credit card chip scan processes and all that [ __ ] and so that's going to be tight and then the fourth one I was going to do is called Murder Mountain about Humble County and the trimers going missing and some of the things that go on up there in Humble right and all these films are easy for me to use with no permits you know cash budgets uh you know just kind of I'm GNA kind of like Get By in order to flip these films to do something like I want to do with you with you guys right and so whether cookies brings liquidity or I go film and flip four films to be able to go to Disney but all right guys you guys are sitting on one of the best movies Papa yeah yeah you guys are sitting on one of the best movies ever made one and two I don't think you guys are really concerned about what this movie does and three like I'm already kind of doing business with well I'm developing a show with the company owned by Disney so I'm developing a show with FX right now and when I got on that Zoom call I saw Disney and so you know they screamed it on FX the other night which one bled in bled out they did they did yes you didn't know that no it was on FX December uh a couple of couple of weeks ago okay but check this out I'm watching it I'm like I can't believe I'm watching it and it was on YouTube TV my brother has YouTube so but it was FX so I'm watching it and I go Taylor so I'm watching I'm going wait there's something wrong and then sure enough it was like this ain't the freaking you you got your freaking fto in your pocket hey hey freaking boso and I went What freaking and I call Taylor and I go Taylor we don't say freaking in the vario dude he goes yeah he goes pin FX the only way they would show it is if we gave them the sanitized version I said damn but it stream dude on F so the the numbers are there bro the discussion's happening it's happening and it's just about leveraging it and coming at them if I if I deliver what I'm supposed to deliver which is a successful show with FX right and I can't talk about what it's about who's involved if if I deliver it right I'm already in the room with them right and they're owned by Disney and I'm have a little chips in my hand and if we're already doing business I got some bread in the business makes sense then for the whole for the whole culture I'm going to try to make the move and that's why I really want to sit down with you guys because look life is short and certain stories need to be finished and they need to be told because there's people and I think there's more people out there like me than you guys probably have had a chance to meet by the meet and greets and you know Instagram everybody loves this film it's cultural it's a cultural cult classic and and everybody wants a part two bro trust me no we need a part two for 30 years I've heard I want I want to just add to that because the the the thing that always surprised you know like I think about 10 years ago it was the first time I saw I saw somebody send me a a a tattoo of Magic on their body yeah and but the the the fact that yes this is this within the culture itself is a big movie this is a big movie internationally because I have people doing doing my lines in Persian that I've seen in German you know and there were these Persian guys in in uh in Germany that like wrote me and they said they said bro he goes we love blood and bah we love you know we love magic we we we watch this film maybe two three times a day and I'm going that's like nine hours 10 hours get a life you I know I know I have that reaction too Japanese Japanese L writer culture it's all over the world so so you have you you know you have the the the incredible base already plus you you you know this film speaks the truth and that's why it has this following all around the world on top onp I feel like I feel like as a as a crew of some of the most talented actors we've seen in our in our time right and as as one of the best storytellers that I've seen in our time right you guys deserve the kind of roll out that you guys deserve right that you guys didn't have a chance to have because your [ __ ] got botched right because of whatever reason with what was going on in the world the B yeah just call it the biz man but it's it's the biz but it's also like fear of like it's like fear of us being in power I feel like sometimes too I feel like that all the [ __ ] that was going on with blacks and Browns at the time they're oh no no no no we can't we can't put this out right now okay you know you know how we're celebrating the 30th Anniversary did you read the article in the LA Times that they put out in April mhm okay if you ever get a chance read that article by that guy what was his name Jorge H can't remember his name incredible writer right but a Mexicano right so he grew up with it and again what a lot of people don't realize because I was at the Mexico press junket they did a major release in Latin America and Mexico as Sangre poranga the version he talks about so even though bound blood and blood out got styed as Bound by Honor and rolled out over 5 Years in Mexico and Latin America Sangre porang hit from 93 on so in Latin America it's so well known but as Sangre porang right so the fact that we've had that kind of a a Latino base that then is filtering over the next 20 years back into the states and then rewatching the movie in a new gener ER ational language as blood and blood out which by that time it was already blood and blood out then when DVD came out man that's when it blew out because he put out the director's cut and the director's cut had the fatter version but it also had extra scenes in it remember so you don't you don't really think the holy rail sitting in someone's desk that can't just be pulled out because the politics and business you don't think I think what Taylor said is that that this new generation of Executives at these Studios don't know these old uh films unless they want aad the awards so the fact that we were kind of uh what do they call that a uh when it doesn't make it a turkey it wasn't a turkey because it got it got controversial reviews but it it critically it it got a lot the right people loved it dude including the fans the fans did not not like well you [ __ ] the the [ __ ] Warden of the prison let you got to shoot a [ __ ] full movie in s Quinton yeah I mean that says a lot dude I don't know how chips and and also all the you know real powerful Latino leaders that I meet in this space and entertainment space all talk about even having a moment like this with you guys let alone the idea of a part two right so what other movies you know that came out in the '90s that people would die to see a part two of I mean no disrespect I don't even know if I really want to see a boys in the Hood part two I'm just being 1,00 I if someone if someone right now and I think it's because the way that the story is kind of left there's so many things that you're interested in like what happened with this what could happened with this but if someone said right now boys in the Hood part two is coming out i' be like and right but if someone said Blood In Blood Out part two was coming I think it would hit I have a question for you yeah um Jesse did a movie with Ben years after a few years after have have you ever seen what is it yeah yeah yeah you've seen that right yeah cuz part of what enthralled me about that film was like oh the two guys are back together again but no they're older now they're they this is where life is taken you know and I love that film by the way we actually use I use that relationship to sell the film right because of the subject matter they were afraid that the Latino audience was going to watch it especially the low riding audience I went no they're going to watch it if they see me and Ben being D Loos and so I sold it almost when we were doing the Indie press in my hometown in San Antonio I stood out in front of the theater and said hey you want to see blood and blood out too go nobody came out disappointed because they understood what we were doing oh okay this ain't blood and blood out too this is these are my favorite actors doing another part where they're home and that was kind of what we do as artists what we do now by celebrating it and we all went through that man when blood and blood out was tanked as bound cuz I told Taylor man if this movie comes out as Bound by Honor I've been on the Press I've been with you since gay Taylor I didn't audition Taylor knew me from the auditions he of labamba right that's where you AUD for laa yeah we all did we all most of us have auditioned for pretty much all the same projects throughout the years so when I auditioned for lab Bamba I had met Luis Valdez and I met Taylor so Taylor came back to me and said look you're not going to do La Bamba but I got this other movie and you're going to help me cast the vat Locos right and so I always tell then I go I told I told Taylor I go look Taylor theato locals have to be as authentic as possible so when these actors come in I'm going to throw the kitchen sink at him I'm going to throw slang at him throw Kyo I'm GNA do everything he goes do it and a lot of a lot of actors got roasted in that audition right when Ben walked in because Ben is from the Mission District and he grew up with a lot of those botles they grew up him and his brother Peter who wrote L Mission they grew up with the first Bay Area car clubs so they know all these about those they were like their Heroes so he could knock them off so when he walked in and he started throwing down I said okay Ben's the one so after that it took us a while longer to find Damian because they were trying to get a star in that position so they were they were bringing in a lot of actors white actors that had names but none of them could they couldn't hit it they couldn't hang how did mlo hit it do he just had this he well his dad is he really is half Cho his dad's from Robstown from Robstown Texas [ __ ] is a real one for real Real Deal he's the real yeah he's the real so when Damian came in we threw him around and Chapa came through so at that point Taylor went look I'm going to go with an unknown you know and that was a journey his growth as an actor was on that film you know uh but I think that's why you get the performance from all of us that you get I think everybody at that point I can tell you one thing nobody in that cast and you're talking about how big a cast it is like you said they were all they were all before they were going to be Stars Raymond Cruz Carlos Victor you know Benjamin before Law and Order Billy Bob Dort fuing insane so they were throwing down bro they said we love this movie we're going to do our best so that's why that movie sings I can't imagine the footage that was left on the floor bro well that's what I'm saying where's the holy at well but see getting back to your like you know how do I see the 5 Hour me people ask me constantly like uh is there gonna be a part two is it goingon to be a part two is and I always go look I I've given up on the part two thing my stance on the whole thing is that I wish they could gather up all of that footage of the original shoot constru and and and reconstruct it put that thing back together again because I I'm convinced it could be six hours of there so you put all that together chop it in two and then you put it uh put it on HBO or whatever yeah or chop it into three pieces because foro we were talking about her earlier roxan roxan fabulous actress her entire role was cut out of the movie you ever watch on the DVD in the back there's this beautiful woman in an Embrace with buckle with Benjamin it's right there in the back of the D yeah because here's the thing here's the thing there's a whole love story you know there had to be because in a Hollywood movie you got to have the love story and that's what they decided to cut out and it was and it was Ben and and roxan you know they met because her dad was the da or something and she was a strong LA Woman she was organiz she a lawyer or something a whole other plot a beautiful CH gigantic story and it's on The Cutting Room floor who all right if this if this footage still exists right would it be the director or would it be the studio like Disney that has it uh the studio has it so somewhere Disney has a vault of old footage somewhere and that it's up to us as as to go figure out how to go find it pretty much get all that footage and rent an editing suite and come get Taylor and put Taylor in there and say dude right here put it all together put it all you know they did that with Godfather right so what they did with Godfather is they deconstructed all the flashbacks and they put it chronologically yeah yeah I said well why can't you do that with it be easier I would love to see roxan get her props after all these years because here's the thing we know about Studios right studios are like um bro if they still got old vocals for artists that are deceased and you don't think that a company like Disney has this put away somewhere they just don't wor they just probably don't care about it because of what happened back then so my point being is they didn't get rid of it it's sitting somewhere has to be pretty 100% it's their job because they own it to be sitting somewhere now the issues are always still going to be the cultural politics of the time so going back to that LA Times artic article and what you were saying because of his unique perspective as a Latino journalist who grew up with blood and blood out not where it came from he did all his research and in that article in the LA Times article it tells you about the cultural war that was perpetrated on blood and blood out because of what was happening in the street because it was way ahead of the Latino wave you're talking about the early 90s Papa we hadn't even gotten the DVD yet you know what I mean after that is when they came out with American Family Selena in the later part of the the 90s but at that point we were coming out of the late 80s and that's where the project had come from blood and blood out had come out of the 80s you know so then all of a sudden you have two films and one has controversy with American me and then the other one has controversy because of the and so at that point they said well that's it let's call a loss $14 million ain't nothing for them to ride off as a billion dollar company and they've made a billion dollars ever since dude more than a billion I believe after after 30 years so that's a pretty good business move so you see it's all business yeah I was going to say yeah if you approach if you were to approach the owners or whatever the people that have it in the vault and and lay it out as a business thing to them a business proposition that's exactly what I'm about to do because because and Taylor even said this I think on in that same LA Times article there's a quote from Taylor where he say the studio left money on the table yeah you know because there is money out there you got all these rabid fans and stuff you know I mean so merchandise that the merchandise that that Disney didn't trademark so you've got you know there's there's the t-shirts there's the the mugs there's the painting so right now right now people are just doing blood and blood out merch and just you all it's all uh it's all what do you call it if it don't have the VL sorry it a't so here here's what we're going to do first right cuz I I stand on business I stand on business what we're going to do first is we're going to do a cookies blood and blood out collab right and I'm going to do an agreement with you and the rest of you guys pick the cast members are still Al line still together and we'll do a revenue split with y'all right so we'll we'll run it up I'll put that [ __ ] in Zoomies all doors probably make you know nice little 750 maybe M total maybe we split a half million dollars something like that but we'll do that first right let's show boys we're serious right cuz cookies times blood and blood out collab with your the support of you guys right at the main cast would would go big because I think the rest of the world understands that if there's no trademark and fools just running wild with it and you guys ain't touching bread off it they'd support the [ __ ] out of that that that'd be the first step that I'd like to do with you guys right yeah the only the only issue is that when and I and I talk about this a lot when I'm doing my own signings I go you got to realize that the the trademark is shared between a lot of different parties so it isn't just Disney you know Jimmy Baka has the rights to the characters Taylor has the rights to the film along with the major Studios but anything they all want to do including what we do with that brand has to be sanction by the big boys otherwise you're in the gray area so the better thing would be to step to the left to do knockoffs to do you know what I mean uh Damen choa with his amadas pictures has been doing or or knockoffs of the mlo character for years and got a whole or you just do the burner move you just do the burner move you put it out and make them sue you so you have to sit down and talk business all right I'm saying okay [ __ ] sue me so we can sit down talk to this business now all right you see you no you can't find me to sue me S me papers I won't answer the door no they'll see they'll see the kind of Revenue made off off this height right and then they want to maybe sit down at the table and figure out how we can settle but also we could do some real business around what's still sitting in their v n I say what you do bro is you take the originality because I've read Splash City right and and again I respect you as a businessman and as an artist right what you've been able to do with cookies as an artist for us it's the same thing we're artists and that's something that he talked about is after and then getting back to that imposter syndrome moment after the film was done I was over them bro I was like okay that's your movie I ain't get nothing out of this you killed it for me it's going to live there forever right it came back to us right because the love that we put in it came back to us as our art but in the business of it and this is why we were just on strike in the business of it we don't own a piece of that so cruso does not belong to me papey does not belong to him other than who we are and that's our faces right like Taylor says he goes look realistically your image is yours but in the business sense it belongs in that particular brand you see what I'm saying that's their brand what you have to do is you have to as artists step to the left step to the left create a something that's rooted in that now you create something that's brand new and they can't touch not even with paper but it's based on the same Inspirations it's based on the same character same VI same story line you know what I'm saying so but I would go back and look at the original contracts that we all signed you know because even back then uh you know there were there are things uh there are there are there is language about subsidiary rights uh you know for the actor use for sure yeah you know uh the whole residual thing you know is based on on earnings of the film and stuff like that you know um that was one of the big issues in the strike just now is how do you compute residuals but back then we're talking about a contract from years ago you know and so I think it would behoove us uh the actors to investigate that what was what was what did we sign what did we sign you know and what is the language in there you know what SIM this I'm also I'm also super I'm also super optimistic that like bro I'll get in that room I'll get in their room with them figured out because at the end of the day bro like that shit's just sitting there right what do they have to lose they have zero to lose and I'm already doing business with them on something else yeah so I'm I'm just going to put it in the universe you know the fact that you guys would still even be interested in something if I could wiggle it out of there is dope and I feel like I feel there's room for both I feel like there's room for everything that hasn't came out yet and also room for something brand new with these characters because I would love to see what OG OG popey is doing right now I would love to see what OG Magic's doing right now crito is doing right now what what is what's what's up with mlo is he about to get out did he wiggle his way out there's ways that like that [ __ ] would hit so hard bro yeah you know what I mean like I I think blood it was a short form back in the day uh I think it was katsen BG's company right it it didn't survive but it was like a minine you mean Hollywood pictures no no no uh Jeffrey kenberg it was a little uh it was like a it was like a it wasn't a Tik Tok but it was like that it was kind of like a social media uh storytelling thing but he was cat B's company dude he raised like billions of dollars for it well this thing was pretty cool because it was original content created by celebrities so a lot of celebrities had man I can't remember what the name of it was do you remember it was going to be like a new Tik Tock but it was strictly for celebrities uh and it was original me I was hearing I was hearing about that when I sh my movie the company didn't that I know what you're talking about tried to compete with subscription so I know what you're talking about I was just I when I was shooting that indie film I just acted Vine or SnapChat something like that so I had had the idea I was going to say man wouldn't it be great if because it's mini form right don't steal this idea but I'm going to say this is all this is all creative stuff but I thought what if I created something called 10 by 10 or 40 by 40 right take let's say 10 x 10 take 10 of the characters right they all have different stories it's papy it's crito it's find 10 characters or even five characters right but 10 would make more multiples then each of those 10 stories and Jimmy was going to have to figure this out intersect at some point okay so we all wind up in each other's little story for a second but it's really our story yeah then I was going to say you write yours M I'll write mine and he'll write his and then we'll collaborate with it but the only way to really get it is you got to watch all 10 right to get the 100 episode because it's all intersecting uhhuh and this way we would use the mini narrative form which is that's the hottest thing right now dude you know that's kicking the butt of everything bro of all the streaming of all everything it's short form it's the vines it's the Tik toks the Snapchats it's all the mini narrative forms people the attention span so that's where we got to concentrate that's where we can go okay the next thing that I would say is to try to figure out a way to figure out how to get some of the blood and blood out stuff into the nft world that's where they want to do it so if we tell them hey man we'll do this and we'll do this that's where I think we can have that discussion then you have the broader bigger one right which is hey we want to develop the part two we want to develop the series or whatever that is now to tell you the truth Papa you're a little late because Jimmy Baka has already been working on something like that but it's in development like everything else so that doesn't mean that there's not room for yeah or maybe even like he's open at just sitting down talking about being a part of it financially or like that Mar rolling brand that's what I'm talking about because right now it is independent of the studio because the studio is not even admitting that they made maybe maybe after much less develop any idea maybe maybe after this sit down we can get in a group text with him and if there's any interest in what we do right cuz marketing branding rolling out my that's my strong story well here you just opened the store in Albuquerque yeah and I said Jimmy Santiago bakas in B yeah he has these uh so if you ever get a chance check out a documentary called a place to stand where stream a place to stand is Jimmy Santiago bak's story of how he learned how to write in the state pen have you ever seen it yeah it is it is it's literally him just telling the story with some Boll of like s like on Netflix Amazon uh it was on something up a place to stand yeah cuz they were streaming it independently for a while cuz they were selling the DVD but I'm pretty sure they have it on a platform now um but you know I always told him when I saw that documentary I said Jimmy that's part two right there the story of somebody learning how to you know write or you know somebody learning how to paint or whatever in the state pen D I mean in the actually going through the H but trying to come out with some artistic stuff um but you know Jimmy for years has always been doing these uh workshops where he takes people that have that have done time and and prisoners that are that are coming out and actually getting them into a writing program D [ __ ] dope yeah so he's committed to actually healing the wounded spirit and having something artistic come out of it so when you're talking about the original poetry that he's going to put in this book he actually read me one about albino and I swear that I swear he was just spinning it right in on the on the telephone cuz I was like did you really write this or are you just coming up with something off the but it was incredible I heard that trees became like a landmark for like not just like our culture but every everyone they were actually going there was a development that they wanted to knock it down you because it was you know now you know that that that wasn't really true right no there was that it was a it was a negative spin on the developer cuz I know I I know the developer but he had actually bought it because he grew up going to middle school right around the corner from it so when he saw that it was available he bought it well because he was a Tom Bradley supporter back in the day and he made some enemies so they started coming at him because oh look at this and they use that right so he came to me several years ago and he goes hey I bought this tree and I want to fix it up I go but people are are jumping on me and I actually want to protect it will you help me and at first I I had to sus him out and go but they're saying that and he goes that's not true this is what's going on it's it's it's neighborhood oh good publicity warwards right and I said well one you have to guarantee and he goes no I actually am creating a foundation so he's got a foundation called the alpino foundation oh that sick and he actually wanted to hire Adan to put the mural a knockoff of the mural on one of the buildings that he's going to build there but one of the best things he did is he had the uh the univers one of the University of I think it was UCLA they have a big arbory uh uh program and he had them come out there and he had the doctors come out check on the health of the tree what type it was whato yeah what what it was going to yeah Cho yeah so it was badass it's a Cho tree definitely yeah Cho Pine but they were saying it's one of the only of of type of that Pine in that area that the rest of the Pines in that area that's why it's so tall right uh but people actually fly in no they do from other parts of the world to see it to go and look at the tree I'm I'm about to go look at the tree David is about to take me over there when to go to next time right now you see because they haven't started the the fix up they they have it protected oh [ __ ] so that way nobody can get but you can still get close enough to take a picture with it but it's surrounded right now by a chain Ling to protect it I was watching TV recently and I and I and I saw something and I went damn this movie really has achieved a higher level um cuz what you're saying is true when this movie was made it was it was it was there was not a lot of Latino content out there the culture wasn't really being shown etc etc so now we're fast forward and in a way people part of the respect that we get is that people call us OG's you know we say like you guys were laying the foundation you made what is happening for us younger actors possible you know by by by pioneering I was sitting there watching a a television show that was just on recently heni oh yeah you know that series a TV series do are you familiar with it no yeah well it's it's a show uh U the name of the show is heni and the basic uh setup of it is that it's a it's a family in East LA you know and it's several Generations at La and they're running a a little restaurant you know a little local whatever whatever and then here comes the uh the the new generation kid you know and he went to culinary school you know and he wants to do this and he wants to change the menu and all kinds of stuff like that and he's getting push back from AO and stuff like that no the tradition and the this and that and the other and there's a scene where he's having their knocking heads you know and and and aello goes into the thing about Miho you have to understand that this is our culture this is our our traditions uh people have come to to to rely on us to to keep the tradition going and everything and ly goes okay okay okay Dad I know I know I saw Blood In Blood Out and the movie but just that moment I'm like oh my God it's become a cultural reference now you know like a touchstone the memes are crazy I know you seen the one with the tamale going around Thanksgiving isn't that something when other Artistic Endeavors are referencing this one you know and that it just came out of know said Dad Dad I've seen blood and blood me let me ask you this man blood and blood is probably one of the most quotable movies in the whole world bro that you can there's so many lines that we all say to each other as magic what's your favorite line what's your most the fans always throw back at me and it's like uh and it's and it's and again it's the opening that that's the very first scene in the prison that was shot was the was the scene he was talking about and and you know when they brought in all these inmates and and you know they're following him through and by the time they get to my table is when you know and I turn around and I say so is a sucker that does a spider well what you're looking for killer that I'm the man you want and then boogy I'm I'm magic but I'm also but I also tell people you know like I I tell people you know the character's full name is Magic Mike and and I say and my guy doesn't dance magic magic I never knew it was Magic Mike all right Papa I know for for sure you know give me some Chon Chon went platinum but there's there's probably like a hundred of them for you in that movie's what's what's one of your favorite bless I got a whole bunch of good lines but I always give the credit to Jimmy man when it comes up because that's it's Jimmy it's Jimmy know Shakespeare yeah I always make it a point to say hey man I mean it's like I came out of my mouth but it was written by Jimmy man um I don't know I have so many cool ones you know pick your best up I want to see what your favorite one is I know give me some Chon Chon resonated with everybody cuz it's classic but I have other favorite lines so I'm tell him to suck his pee PE that's honestly I S can you talk about did you see him go right in the character he had to do the Popeye gu and everything he had to do the popey and everything is not anymore tell him to suck his up before you were one my favorite bro okay couple years later bro couple of years later I went uh to the theater uh cardal there in LA and I saw Kelsey Grammar and what's his name Kelsey gramar what what was he famous in Frasier Frasier I saw Frasier as Richard II and I I saw estato as the lead rebellious Lord against him bro and I was like okay now that's papey right there he's got his own CA and he's spouting Shakespeare that I was like okay that's that's why that movie like I tell you resonates because of the vatos that were throwing down and you got to understand they were the best of the best and we were in our Prime bro the the artist Adan Hernandez years after uh when nobody was people were forgetting about him I said hey let's start to put out the art and let people know that you're the artist not me so we would do this great tandem thing right hey I'm the cruso and this is the real cruso who also was Gilbert in the movie so it was kind of like a total reintroduction to him right so he was getting flabbergasted because now he was a celebrity and there were these lines for us right and and so he would say to me every once in a while he'd look at me and go did you ever think this movie was going to be this famous and you know we're talking about 10 10 15 years ago right uh and I told him I said of course V go I know what I did what did you do all of that to say I saw when he was painting he was serious he wanted to do the best of the best of the best uh and so I know that every single one of these actors when they tell their stories but also how I've gotten to know them during the job man that was like two years of our life that we spent together but then afterwards you know the kamaras that we created you know and the and the camaraderie that's kept us through now coming back one of the things I realize is that we put our Academy award-winning performances so what you see up there is like you said about 20 or 30 potential Academy nominations including the production director including the writer the D Gabriel bin who went on Mexico who went on to shoot some incredible F my very next movie with with Hollywood pictures the same Studio that's when I went off to do distinguished gentleman with Eddie Murphy Gabriel was our DP he was our DP I I work with him twice in a row which is unheard of in in in our business but he was the DP for beautiful pictures when you look at other Latino films and how like to play with CIA and they like to make us look dirty and they make us that's an American perspective his perspect perspective was uniquely Taylor's and Jimmy which was this is a very real beautiful tragedy and so it has to look beautiful that opening Montage man it still gets me CU a lot of those places and a lot of those murals I was just there the other day a lot of those murals are still up and when you talk about they didn't mark up kuso carnalismo man a lot of those murals from the opening Montage are still there untouched yeah cuz out of respect dancers are still dancing those dancers are still dancing dancing we when we did the thing at they a big ceremony and the the guy was now like 80 dancing who's like the lead dancer in the opening sequence what what was your favorite line is cuso in the movie well it's got to be it's got to be we're from because we're from East Los we come out chased by hounds wearing a bean CH rabbit's foot for luck and then I always like to Pete when I get rasa around me families and stuff I go we've got something better than a rabbit's foot for Lu we've got Familia and then I added rasa because I wanted to specifically talk to an audience that American Cinema had never spoken specifically to and I tell young people when they want to be inspired I go hey what did I end that movie with I go I ended it with a slang and a slang that was specific to what your cultur is what your C is what your soul is so I'm talking directly to you not to those Hollywood Executives that are going to make billions from this story but specifically to you who are going to be inspired by this story and I like to tell that because I was very meticulous about my adlibs and I told Jimmy I said look Taylor gave me permission to adli because he said you're the real Cho so I need you to authentic I said okay I'm going to do V Loco tutorials so we stayed in actually in a in a neighborhood in we stayed in City Terrace there with the G LMA boys you know they took care of us you know but they were a very very active klea at that time so there was a lot of pedal going on but they protected us right so while we were there with the famia that was there right um The famia Vasquez they took care of us they would allow us to hang out so what I would do with the two Vos with with Benjamin and and Damian and they said look let's sit down pull out your scripts okay let's get some C together this is what they say in the East Los vario this is what they say let's say this that way we are all on the same page 1970s let's put some period on it now let's work our scenes so that we at least we know we grew up together right so we were doing that type of a tutorial thing but at the same time you were seeing the conecta to what was really happening in the neighborhood that's that's so rare because I don't really think that people kind of put that energy into films like that anymore it's so C cookie cutter now like you get a script you read for it you go do it maybe I'm lost maybe but I've seen I've been around films I've been around sets and like I've seen people you know work out before they do a scene but you guys are talking about actually living and working in yeah you guys are living in it you guys are acting inside of a [ __ ] jail for active [ __ ] lifers right like this is [ __ ] crazy this you had to sign a [ __ ] contract saying hey [ __ ] kid asks me tries to hold me for hostage they're not going to bargain [ __ ] you're done right we're not trading a warden for you that was a big one yeah crazy crazy as [ __ ] and I I think that's why when you asked my the question earlier why is this film so classic is because you guys put all the energy into that it's very rare that people put that kind of passion into something like that well and the good thing about it is people ask me a lot of times what's your favorite memory and as much as I enjoy all the filming and all that I think it was living in the in the East Los vario because at a certain point after we finished the first so the the the film was done in phases so we did the young people first then we did the prison stuff then we came back and we did the whole back half right so the first phase we were young and innocent right well after that phase was over the the actors took off you know Damian was going to do all his prison stuff so he moved back to you know he moved to Beverly Hills you know back to his hotel and Benjamin you know was living with his girlfriend in Santa Monica so after living with us Vos for 2 three months it was like I'm out of here so he went and because the work was very difficult so they knew that they were going to have to throw down and technically we were all separated right at that point well I said well wait a minute why do I have to go stay at a hotel they said what do you mean I said well cruso never leaves the bario I said this family's taking care of me I go let me stay here in the neighborhood I'll sleep in the back with one of their where their sons live right I'll stay in the groove at the same time I can be on the set and I won't be late cuz it's like an hour from Beverly Hills to East LA when there's traffic I said I'll never be on I'll never be late that they love that one I'll never be late but at the same time I can stay in the groove right well what I didn't realize is on my days off I'm watching this beautiful e vario and all the VA the familias on Sunday the the Vito going to church with the little kids the kids going to school and coming I'm not seeing what everyone was seeing which is this gang infested war zone and all of this I was like okay this is why I'm here this is why I'm doing this how can I put this into that and I think as artists when you have that opportunity to do that that's what's going to come out something that 30 years later is still going to be like it's fresh relevant yeah as professional actors you know that's what you guys are what's a film that each of you wish that someone that successful your character from this film would check out right like obviously like I said look people always come to me toy joint that's my [ __ ] yeah it's a freestyle song I did in a moment that was really feeling it but there's 50 albums of the work I wish that people would really focus on you know starting with you what's the film that you've done that you wish that someone was really into you as a as a character from blood and blood out would go check out and see like you know your talent on a different level oh God that's a good question because I'm there's a lot yeah yeah there's a lot you know one of the things that I do really well that most people people don't know because they they what they see is somebody who might hurt you um is is is I do comedy really well and so I there's a couple of films and one actually it's it's another Latino film that that it it was I think we shot it for like $500,000 it was and and so distinguished gentleman is W with Eddie Murphy because I'm I'm I'm I'm throwing down with Eddie and everything we do is add list there's there's we're not following the script at all and but there's a film that Paul Rodriguez did called a million to Juan oh yes I love a million to ju you know and I have this it's just it's hilarious character I I own a a you know a produce you know I sell produce but it's but it's called Hector do the's driveby produce and uh it's got some really funny lines and funny scenes and and we literally were we would show up like at a restaurant and and they would go oh yeah we love you guys and can we shoot a scene in here and like 8 hours later they're sitting there going waiting for us to leave so it was complete gorilla gorilla film making but it's it's I I will have fans at like a blood and blood out meet and greet that will come up with a picture of Hector dogado and it just always floors me because because Latinos know their their their they actors and they they'll follow you to a a million to Juan that didn't get a theatrical release or anything it's just it's just a funny film that by by by but you're right the Latino audience loves that no they pay attention they pay attention yeah yeah so I I love the fact that comedy is is it was always a blessing for me comedy got you know uh uh you know even as a young kid it got me got me out of my darkness and but it's not something that you you would look at me and go expect from me but I I do comedy I'm the kind of movie buff that sees actor I'll be watching a movie but oh I want to go check out boom boom boom and I think of all the movies they've been in right like it just that's how I am um so I wanted people that watching this to be like okay well if they didn't know that you were obviously they probably knew that but if they didn't know you were in other films what should they go really check out for you Carlos what what's one of your favorite a yeah that's some pretty [ __ ] good ones too well I have to uh uh piggyback on on what Victor uh said as well because I love comedy you know and I seem to have an ability to do comedy Pap was Prett well I think one part of the reason papy is so is so popular as a character because he's actually funny scary yeah but it's like you know what and and that's fun when you just toose the scary with like the Oddball kind of behavior and stuff I mean you know but I really enjoy doing comedy a lot I will I'll throw out two things um and these are these are there's a bitter sweetness that comes along with being in this industry you know because there's so much that you are grateful for for and yeah but but yeah yeah you know there's there's a lot of the one that got away kind of thing you know um one role that I wish people could see me in um would have been the original script that I auditioned for and was cast in of speed because I was very excited when I got that part because well what I'm leading up to is that what came out in the theaters and what people saw in the theater was not the original script no not at all not at all and I was really thrilled when I was cast in that film originally because it was the diametrically opposed uh uh character from popey uh the character in speed was a hero he was a cleancut working man he was aspirational he was a role model I mean it was just like and I'm like oh great that's terrific after a whole career of always being the thug and you know and mugging the old lady and stuff I get to be a real authentic thing and unfortunately because Hollywood is Hollywood uh we were a week into production and we got the news that there's a new rewrite oh it's so exciting you're going to love it you're going to love the new script oh and we all came back and the new Scripts and then we all sat there let's read through our fun news script and everybody kept the entire cast was like uh CU it was all action notes huh they no they shaved they they were the original script was an ensemble piece it truly was an ensemble piece I I often refer to an old uh Alfred Hitchcock movie called Lifeboat you know which is a great classic and Lifeboat is a is a situation where a group of people are trapped actually what the situation in the movie is is that it's during World War II and the the the the ocean liner they were on got torpedoed by a German uboat and they these are all the survivors that all end up on the same Lifeboat there's about 10 people crammed into this Lifeboat in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean and like oh [ __ ] what do we do now that makes more sense so it's the same premise you know so you got this group of people that are trapped into an ungodly situation trying to figure out what to do the original scpt for Speed was that it was a group of people it was an ensemble piece all these people trapped in the bus and they all had Back stories and whatever and so you know and when the famous rewrite came down all of that shaved it was all shaved away and we were all kind of like why why are we we're extras now we're just supposed to scream and yell all the time while Muffy and Buffy up in front say save the bus and the world and everything and it's like I mean I mean I'm glad that I was in the movie it was a terrific movie it's you wanted to show your [ __ ] you wanted to show your your T I was excited because I'm like I'm finally getting a part in a Hollywood movie where I can really do my thing show my chops whatever gone gone gone so that's one then there's another one but that wasn't comedy then I did another film um that nobody ever heard of called Double Take You know and this was a comedy straight out comedy film but it's another one of these examples of how you can have all of the great ingredients and then something goes wrong and boom palank and and when I was so excited when I got that because it was written I don't know if you've ever heard of a movie called um oh God Robert dairo and um Charles groden uh yeah we midnight run midnight run midnight run isn't that a great film great film same writer same writer same Studio whatever in in a way kind of the same plot because the the two stars uh it was called Double Take because it's like it's two guys and they get confused for you know one is an impostor and and so it's all about the mixup and everybody whatever but and and then there's just like midnight run there's cops and trains and planes and all kinds of stuff and I got cast as um way over the top Mexican Colonel whatever cuz at one point they they guy get gets arrested they bring him before me and it like I it was it was basically just one scene but when I read it so you know how sometimes you read something and you go I got it I got I got this you know and it was way big way over the top absurd and I remember the day I went in there and I and I said you know what I'm going to go for it cuz cuz I always get one of the one of the the notes that I always used to get early on as an actor was like hey that was great man now can we do it again you know have you ever bring it down bring it down well this thing like yeah this thing on paper was so big and I'm like you know what I'm going to do it like that you know and I went in there and I just did the Ridiculousness thing and everything like that and George Gallow you know he was he was directing it the the writer of midnight run and I I do the audition and everything like got and I finish and I look and George Gall sitting there like this his jaw hanging down and I'm like okay I guess I didn't get this and he's like no no no anyway I got the part I went and then I went in and I remember even on the day of shooting I'm like dude tell me if it's too big tell me you know whatever whatever and it's like you know I had so much fun and he was like no no more more more you know I just did this completely over-the-top ridiculous character it's got to be on a platform so and then I remember when I went to the cast and cruise screening the producer came up to me and said this is literally what he said he said I am one lucky Jew cuz you're in my movie I'm like okay is it is it is out there right now we can watch it or no some place yeah it's someplace but but the movie tanked the movie it just like but you know one thing I've learned through the whole Blood In Blood Out experience the Bound by on blood and blood out experience is that the business will not and cannot destroy artistic Excellence so even if it's lost somewhere in the archives because of YouTube but more than anything because of the fans which are arasa they have kept things like that afloat so right here the fact that we said Double Take bro there's like 20 searches right now for sure you know what I'm saying because carasco who played my favorite character poey said that they they're looking for it right now is it one scene in the middle of the movie but boy I had fun that's what I'm talking about yeah I think I think you've got uh I think you've got popey's uh Continuing Story he goes to South and becomes a Mexican General Mexican the story of papey could be crazy yeah we can take that 100 ways uh Jesse what about you brother what's another film that you wish that people have there fans of cruso would go check out talk about mission right so Peter Brad actually made a film before that which was inspired by Blood and blood out so Peter had just Benjamin's brother Peter Brad had just graduated NYU film school when he saw blood and blood out totally blown away so he wrote a story about four artists of Color Me Benjamin plays my Primo Abel and then two other artists of color a Native American and an African-American and we're traveling in a van to the White House to paint a mural of our ancestors on the White House it's a road picture it was a big hit in 1995 at the Sundance Film Festival but it was so Brown because Peter wrote you know everything all about race identity in the United States and everything that's happening with us from all different perspectives right so it was pretty controversial and what was the name it was called follow me home you never saw it follow me home no because it was ahead of its time because of it was and again it had a lot of the blood and blood outcast in it you know Noah verdusco who played Juanito he plays our nephew in it oh really yeah and I had just done M Loca with Salma Hayek so Salma jumped in and did a came there with us yeah uh Alfrey Woodard is one of the leads in it with us we picked her up along the way and she's greeting her daughter so she's carrying ashes so there's all this woman feminine aspect to it so it was a beautiful film Peter brat made it it was like 15 years before he made available on Services well right now they streamed it in 2020 to help get the vote out right because it it it dealt with and it's interesting because they were able actually was so prophetic they were able to put some of the January 6th footage onto the back end of it wow and it was right on time because what happens we don't actually ever get to the White House what happens is we get way layed in the middle of the country some now I can call them trumpsters but back then they were these Civil War reenactors and so they went after us when they saw this brown van of people crossing their state and there was this whole Pell with guns and shootings and everything else but it's a pretty heavy story follow me home it's called so what they've done is they were able to keep the rights to their movies so now talk about self-determination they own the rights to follow me home so they got the print and the rights to digitize it they own la mission outright Hollywood don't own none of it and so now they're going to create some sort of an independent platform that they can put out their own films and then he also did does too does is the documentary about does wera that's Peter Brad as well so he's he's got a good body of work but the fact that they own their own flicks but follow me home is something that I think everybody should see because it's really got some it's got some it's got some great themes but it's also well yeah love to check it out I know that title I've read about it but I've never seen it yeah if you go to follow meom themovie.com you can watch the trailer oh really the trailer's pretty heavy yeah but again the digital world and the ability for us to retain our own stories and put them out and now how do you monetize that right how do you make the business out of what we've created you know uh one of the things I'm trying to do is like you I'm trying to go to each of us and go hey is there a project that we can do together under my company is there I know he's he's been pitching his book B you know and and one of the things I said to him is said look any way I can help and anytime we talk with each other it's not just that we're actors I go no he's a writer producer and he's got this story you need to look at because now it's about optioning intellectual property so under my company TOA media I've got several books that are Latino based that are from independent authors that I've got option to develop into ideas so the business part of it is now taking advantage of everything we've done you know and we got films and Legacy that are now every year I got something turning 30 years this year it was Blood In Blood Out next year it's m Loca huge film too yeah so you know anytime people I did three films back to back so if you want to see the my true Prime of what I was trying to do I did Blood and blood out M Loca and I like it like that you ever seen I like it like that okay so that was my that was me trying to show my range that was me trying to show my range but of course again because of the cultural Wars all of those films got styi all of those films got pigeon hold and they all came out at various times so nobody could make the connection right crazy so it was difficult to build a brand when I was trying to do that on that kind of stuff but what I am grateful for is that like all of us and most of the people in that film everyone in that film has gone on to do star work and has done Legacy work I went to a ComicCon with uh Valente Rodriguez Frankie and Raymond Cruz chewy but both of them on their own have gone on and D you know Ernie from George Lopez Show Raymond with training day and Breaking Bad so they've got like stuff that's I was laughing because Raymond Cruz had a whole table right and he had one two Blood In Blood Out pictures and he had all these other break and I went hey what are you doing none of these are turning 30 years he started laughing he goes like I know right I go what are you doing chewy charie Holmes get all this other crap over here dude you got to we're going to take away your plasso but that's how we are dude we we're like buddies we get together and we see each other and it's like no time has passed but that's the respect that we felt for each other then the respect and the camaraderie and the carnalismo that we built during the production and then years later watching all of that man I just saw this they just premiered it at the New York Latino Film Festival you didn't know that no they showed it at the New York Latino film festival and oh wait wait I did know that it was it was a literally a midnight screening because it's so long right so it started at 9: which meant it wasn't going to end till 1: in the morning and it was packed for sure it was packed in New York at the New York Latino film festival with all of these young Latin latinx filmmakers and it was still resonating with people and when I and I said you know what I'm going to sit here and watch it and I sat in that theater and I watched it and I watched it for three and a half hours and I didn't even bat an eye and I sat there and I realized after it was over oh that's why that movie people still love it well the real deal Holyfield that that leaves in my last question right and so I call my best friend cuz I feel like a lot of people when we were growing up felt like we we we all had our Vos slogos kind of vibe right like every crew felt like they could resonate with that right and so I called my my guys that grew up with that would consider like if I was if I had my own little world like that right this is my crew I kind of came up with I called my best friend Barett for a long time I said bro you know I'm about to sit down with right and I told him he's like oh [ __ ] and like I told you guys like this is comparable to me hearing unheard poac vocals which is I mean bro it's the highest compliment to like you know my world right and so I said bear what would what would you ask him if he could bro and he said let me think about that dog and I'm like all right he's really taking this question serious he text me this morning said bro I would asked them if they knew at the time shooting this film they would know how much this would pack People Like Us right how much it would really impact us how much we' really resonate with this [ __ ] like damn you know you just pretty much said that and that's that's why and so I guess my question is did you guys when you guys were filming it right you guys knew it was a great story you guys knew it was incredible film you guys had to deal with it being kind of you know shelv and kind of um [ __ ] on by by the by the the studio because what was going on in the world at the time did you guys know that all these years later how much it would impact a whole generation of people like myself like this is our this is our [ __ ] like this when I'm having a bad day when I I really need to bring my mind back to reality I pop that film on like did you guys know what to do with something like that for the world I didn't straight up you know honest to God my story was that um when I got asked to go in and and and read for that film I was I was newly arrived in La you know I don't think I'd lived in La more than about a year or or maybe two when when that audition came up I was a I was a New Yorker you know I was coming out after almost 14 years living in New York and being surrounded by uh their the Latino culture in New York but it was Puerto Rican Dominican and stuff like that you know that was the sensibility that I brought I think the first few years I he was here I still talk like this you know like a New York you know what I'm saying so then I got to me I treated it was an audition for a job and I went in and I did you know the best I could next thing I know I'm in this project and to me it was like I got hired and then and then I I I thought and I got hired in a really Superior production surrounded by great talent great people great writing and you know okay here we go I'll do my best with it you know but I had no idea no no to put that underwear and be the best ever like you know me like that that's the crazy thing cuz that's that I can't wait to put those on for my girls oh my God oh my God bro think about that a job you took he signs him dude a job a job you took impacted a lot of people's lives a lot even my father he loves your he's he told me on lip he's like swab I'm like damn you like he's he's so excited about this conversation so did you know but see that was New York because that was improved you know and you know and I was like I have to say something here and what came out was Puerto Rican Suave cuz that's we say that in pan Suave see that's the beauty of the actors bro they every single one of them yeah did things like that and we're able to just bring what's real and artistic right cuz that's an art baby that's the talent yeah so the talent part of it is okay I got the job but the talent and the artistic part of it is to be able to take a character not only just make it real and authentic for you but make it real and authentic for this world that may be alien to you yeah you might even understand it well you didn't you didn't even come across as you just been in La same with this [ __ ] though with cookies same with cookies there's people with cookies tattooed on their [ __ ] face their forehead they had ass signed baby all kind of crazy [ __ ] I'm like to me I'm like I know what I've done but I don't really know why it resonates with people so I'm kind of in the same spot sometimes like yeah I did I did my thing I built a brand I kept it it's authentic it's real I built it from the ground up and motivated people to know that they can do the same thing but I don't know why it resonates so hard people I just know it does and I embrace it but I didn't know it would when I started at all this was this was a way to feed the kids back in the days you know what I'm saying so for you you played a pretty powerful Ro your your role had a very strong message and you ended the movie with very powerful words did you know that it was going to impact like this at the time I was the opposite I did uh I was actually and I tell this story and I laugh I go I was in Billy Bob Thorton's first movie of course that probably wasn't this but it felt like it though no dude and and you know Billy when he comes to town the Texas area he's still calls me so again the camaraderie that was created between people that wound up becoming like Mega star but the reality of it was is I was the most famous actor on that set I had been a television star for three years I was lucky enough in the 80s to jump on a show that was famous worldwide Fame and I came on the show with Janet Jackson being my cast castmate so right away I was in a whole different world is because Fame was so huge so I had to learn how to deal with an audience that was already ready made so in those three years which was also film school right because they were shooting on 35 so I would go to the set and learn everything about what is this film I was a theater actor I was a theater actor so I said okay so after 3 years you figure it out especially on Fame you become a rock star pretty quickly so I KN already knew okay I got a brand I got the talent now what am I going to do with it and I have a following yeah so in the third year and again the other thing that helped me out is every time the television season would end I'd go do theater mhm so theater is where as an actor you get humbled cuz if you can't stand on the stage and hold people's attention how do you expect to do it like this it's like rapping over your lyrics rapping over your lyrics supposed to doing a real show like having to memorize everything what's Theo you know what I'm saying come on so I think in that sense theater was keeping me real and honest right so when I would come back the next year okay now back to my following what can I do well first of all put it in the work right put it in the art put it in the character but other than that now what can you do with that brand right so it was starting I was starting to realize what I could do so that's why when Taylor came back to me and said don't worry about that we got this Blood In Blood Out I already knew you know and Taylor was a Fame fan so he was okay you're going to help me do this like Jimmy I need Jimmy the writer and I need you between you two we can get it going and we'll have and I said all right but this is what I need I need complete autonomy I don't need you micromanaging me are you okay with that and then I told Jimmy I said Jimmy I'm going to riff but I'm going to Riff Off what you're writing I'm never going to mess with the sanctity of what you're writing the structure of what you're writing the information but I am going to riff and he was like go for it so when we started collaborating like that and I knew I had freedom Dan I was in the zone with them and I could really help them out right at that point the production gets going and I say okay next thing is for my character is is the is the art cuz I I couldn't help them with the prison scene that was all Taylor and Jimmy right so they were heading in that direction but I'm telling you once we had that first cast reading I knew MH I said whoo that's that half of the movie this is going to kill this is going to win some Academy War so on my end now let me be the spiritual let cruso be the spiritual leader of of this story right because I already know what Niko's character is going to be and a he's covered he's covered because he's surrounded by these incredible actors Benjamin he's linked to that story so I know that whatever is happening over here Benjamin can tap into the Baco story with what's happening there so I always knew that that was the root so it was actually easy for me me just kind of see to do my character yeah I could see oh my God I just got to beito and then I said well wait a minute what about the artist homes I go you can't have someone knocking off Cho art and say it's oh no it's a from youro Taylor told me he goesan Hernandez and I knew the art scene in San Antonio so I said wow he's one of these BOS and sure enough once I saw his work and the reason they chose him is because he had evolved the style his style was kind of the way he would kuso was painting during the heroin series what I call the heroin Series yeah so that art was kind of the the the dark way he was painting when you ripped the face on everything yeah but his earlier style had been the photo realism of the early years so they said wellan can do that so once I saw that I said well my character's covered because I got the visual Alan I got my character because it's easy I just got to be me and be Au and I know this story this really happened many times in my family you know l you know overdoses the PED trying to stay out of it losing your art to the PED right and the vi Loca so all of that was it was pretty easy for me right but ultimately once I started getting into the production part of it because that was another thing I did man I was in it I was always at the production office I was always checking in what are you doing there what I knew I couldn't affect prison too much but I wanted to make sure that I was there in case anything went down especially because after the first part of the movie Damian went on to only be with Taylor you know and that was a that was a very you know very difficult uh relationship because they were both trying to raise each other to the next level right so at that point I think Damien was realizing that he was the lead in the film so we had to make sure that all of his arcs fit right kind of like play yeah that must have been a [ __ ] nightmare first time I can tell you as a first time actor I would not want to be dealing with but I think that's what that was his FM I think that was his first big FM he might have done a short before that so that's what was beautiful about it right so I could only help him with the first part so because of that I was always visiting the production Department right well once I saw it going and we're about a year and a half into it and I think you guys were getting ready to go to San Quinton so I'd seen a lot of the rehearsals and a lot of I said oh this thing is going to be huge so when the film was over I don't know if you guys knew this but I was one of the heaviest in the Press junket and I kept going to Taylor once we got into the Press junket I went to Taylor and I said you need to have a meeting with your PR people because I don't know what's going on but our audiences are not correct if we want to make this a popular film a commercial film we're not showing it to the right audiences we're showing it to people you know the juvie halls and we're showing it to the you know the the cultural groups I go that's not our audience right now the audience is going to get there I go but right now you want this studio is going to expect this movie to to break box office records not really realizing that they had already gone sour in it and that's why that was happening you know Taylor and Katherine our PR lady was they were trying to keep it afloat uh and we were getting mixed reviews you know half the time it was an incredible film half the time he was like oh my God it's too heavy you know they weren't ready for it it was too real and I think that's what ultimately happened when he screened it for the Disney exec the Hollywood picture Disney exec they went they probably looked at each other after it was over and went can't put this movie out yeah yeah they tripping it was too authentic and I think that's then when the battle started to try to keep it afloat which is that year and a half and finally when it came out it was so past our Prime inflection point then the riots had happened American me had already americ me had happened so at that point Bound by Honor what's that so I think they passed it by Without Really realizing but it's interesting that Disney changed the name back to Blood In Blood Out the video when it went to video hello they know I remember reading a review as usual baby yeah I remember reading a review when the video came out and it might have been Roger Ebert that said something about oh it's this movie um uh that is almost as long because by when they first uh put it out when they changed the title back it was still um Blood In Blood Out by by Honor and the critic said this movie is almost as long as the titles yeah you put them back to back yeah you ridiculous honestly you couldn't tell a story in less than [ __ ] three three hours three and a half hours like that dude it to Taylor 5 hours so we going we going to find the Holy Girl and for you did you think bro you played a very important because at the end a lot of people bro like tears you're like when you when you broke that [ __ ] soap bar right and it came together for the viewers like damn that [ __ ] was behind him getting killed right like that [ __ ] opens up eyes to like how the world really works right like did you know that that was that role was that powerful let alone so so so what you don't and I'm not going to say what character I was offered but I was offered a completely different role for for blood and blood out one and two and uh and then I got a call from my agents the next day and they said Taylor hackford and Jimmy Baka want to meet with you and uh so that I go in to meet with him and they basically want to talk to me about magic because magic in the original script is just a member of on and he's like over here and maybe I say something over there and they they said we want you to play this this is going to be a very important role we promise is you and so I had to take a leap of faith and let let the other role go because a role that that was played out more in the scripted magic magic was like this the orig and and then they said and then we're going to you know Jimmy's going to work with you to like you know he wanted to talk to me about the Aztec and so you you see it on my body you you know I had to do my own my own research because of course my you know my my I'm yes I'm Latino I'm born in another country but I'm Cuban I'm not Cho so I had to find magic I had to find you know the essence of the character so so it it was really a leap of faith and the script itself yes I knew that it was an important something it was something it was beautifully written you know did I know that 30 years later that it would be this this iconic film where the you know where the characters you know each of the individual characters within the film are iconic to to to individual people around the world that you know that there are lots of people that say you know my you know my dad was magic you know he he spent 25 years in prison blah blah blah you know so it was my job to embody that but it was not in the original script so it was it was again this uh you know it was this this joining of the of of all the you know of Taylor of Jimmy of you know what I could bring to the character and uh and so um it was a leap of faith and uh and and I'm glad I took it yeah cuz the first time I seen the movie I ain't going to lie I didn't really understand the soap situation right when you when you put in the in the sink and broke it apart but then when I watch it again as you know it's probably like maybe like a couple weeks later we sat down and watch it again I was like wait a minute so we had to so just so you know we had to reshoot that because when they tested it with audiences that was the reaction a lot of people didn't understand the soap so the the so now that you know this and you know the fans that will watch this they can go back and relook at the film so when we reshot the soap part of the soap scene they had to bring me back from distinguished gentleman because I was working on distinguished gentleman and in distinguished gentleman I have no mustache you know I'm clean shaving and I'm and you know I put weight on for magic you know to make him big so I was 20 20 pounds lighter so if you look at the soap scene again you know they'll they'll be the original scene and then you'll see you'll see this giant black thing on my on my m yeah like so look for the fake for the for the okay I'm look at bro that's how good your acting is in that scene we're not so now now that you know that look for the mustache I'm going to watch it tonight for sure cuz we had to we had to reshoot it to so that it would make more sense because a lot of people it went over their head like what's the soap and then you know realizing that's it's you know it's the mold of the of the kite that went you know they got Montana killed so you know I'm Judas you know I'm I'm I'm you know I'm I I you you know I I I I found a different Jesus to follow it's crazy cuz you called him he like oh [ __ ] what the [ __ ] like but that's a very power powerful character man speaking of soap last thing I knew we were supposed to end this I got a pregnant girl I got to get home too but oh in this the scene in the shower bro the soap the shampoo lasted forever dog did you have to reapply that shampoo multiple times cuz I remember that scene when you chop it up it's just you still going like d my God so so you know and that again you know we're we're in the shower with you know you know the real guys and all that but so yeah we we definitely had to you know keep I'm sure keep bro that was the longest lasting shampoo ever but this is the this is another another uh um sort of inside um Hollywood magic without without CGI or whatever they found a guy a young a young guy who looked just like mlo who had lost his leg in a motorcycle accident so you see the when he says Hey magic help me out and you see me like then I grab him and we walk we kind of hop in but and he's got the own the snake on his back that's his double oh [ __ ] that's that's his leg double and then and the same with the scene you know outside when they're when he's you know with Billy Bob and and you know and red ryer so they're it's it's this guy but uh but you know that that scene is is um you my mom my mom saw my mom saw the movie and she speaks you know pretty much just Spanish and and there was the soap you know there was the shower seing and she goes and she yelled like at the screening audience in Miami she goes know I know that ass well look we're going to put this well first of all I appreciate you guys even taking the time to fly out here just to do this because this is like I said this is a life goal and I feel like there was a bigger purpose behind this conversation and you know you guys will learn something about me I'm very persistent so we're going to put this in the universe we're going to do a cookies blood and blood out collab that will get a sued that will make Disney come to the table film out the Holy Grail right we'll get the Holy Grail audition then we'll work our business to do part two where everyone's now current that's that's my goal in life that's why I wanted to manifest to happen and I think it probably going to work because I'm saying on camera so when I release you know cookies times blood and out and I break some bread with my brothers and they see performing well in big National stores they're going to say you owe us the conversation I'm like thank you that's the way you get it done you know what I'm saying or or we do the knockoff cookie in cookie out oh okay and hey and come up with a new script based on characters with four ways and and just go crazy that's that's that's that's that's also an option cuz you know look I'd rather put my money in in Talent than buying something that may not be possible so we we can talk about that but let's throw a shout out to to your production Partners dude fourway check him out in Slipping Into Darkness and me and addicted to you and we have we have I I think we're going to be doing a lot more business together I plan on partnering with fourways on a bigger on a bigger picture we're doing the four films that we talked about and uh but I think we're talking about a bigger uh partnership and so I'm sure we'll be working together in the future on other things but CU I wanted to see fourways get you know get a full feature yeah well that that's you know we were supposed to do a Splash City as a short but when I started really paying attention to how good they were I'm like there's no [ __ ] way I'm going put I'm going put tell us who's fourways entertainment man my brother Davey my brother Alex my brother John and hopefully me [ __ ] I mean I'm about to be the fourth way I think so you know and again you know when we're talking about next gen and the people that we've inspired when you know we talk about the young people that come up to us these are some youngsters and we call them youngsters but y'all are what in your late 30s early 40s yeah so you know they're chaon is to us but they're Next Generation they're doing it so what they've done you know when I worked on addicted to you I was so impressed by seeing nothing but rasa on the set right and I was reminded of Spike Lee and all of his films and how he was pushing the boundary and terms of representation and diversity in the industry hello everything they're still talking about to date 2023 still 23 years so and again the authenticity of blood and blood out and the reason it resonates is because talking about whether I knew it was going to be incredible iconic it didn't matter we had one chance to represent ourselves in a major American film and we all took that chance and did our best and brightest and what ever got chopped up is that story that you see there and it's the best and the brightest of everything we do so following in those footsteps when these youngsters come up to us and say and I you know I hate to be calling y'all youngsters but hello uh Slipping Into Darkness Victor we want to work with you we respect you can you be la la la la he says yes same thing with me addicted to you well let me look at the script I want to represent good positive role models oh yes a father Yes this beautiful young lady who wrote this rpt uh uh Miss balasar so I said yes absolutely let's do this film together and so now you see the Next Generation becoming part of and breaking barriers because you know with with the with Splash City it's the same kind of Politics on a different level we have to tap in with certain people to make sure things are authentic and good and and you know I told them I said listen um you guys have won Latino Film Festival it's time to win on Film Festival let's go let's stop putting oursel in a box let's just go for it right for believe and that's what we're going to do and I think we're going to do that with Splash City if we don't hit it with Splash City we'll hit it with another film but that's what the goal is right now you know let's stop putting ourself in the Box we don't have to be Latino film festival or like Sony Latin like [ __ ] all that [ __ ] why why can we just hit a film festival right that that's the goal so no great I have to tell youo that it really touches me it really moves me when younger um rasa coming up and now they're making their projects and stuff when they reach out and they there's a kind of like being treated like an older Statesman or something and when they invite and they say jesz would you really would you do a little bit of in in my thing that to me is such an honor you know and it is like like that it's like being treated as a member of the family you know and saying you know let's they're still relevant to us yeah you still and you you can still walk right tent matters the funny thing about this today was bro we are all nervous I mean I my guys usually have these cameras set up within like two seconds but we wanted to make sure everything was perfect and dowed in and I was when you guys walked in I was in the middle of a panic attack cuz I was thinking like wow I [ __ ] I'm high as [ __ ] I'm about to I I was just thinking what I want to ask these guys what are we going to do but you guys came in with open arms and you guys came in with gifts and I'm glad I'm glad we had CH capture everything from the beginning before we even started filming cuz that was the magic was you know just us meeting and being able to chop it up wer expecting that huh was no never brother I wasn't even expecting actually really happened right does it you I didn't bring fla but but you know yesterday was a long day and and I knew I knew that you know today would be a long day but I was so excited about today I've been waiting for today for a while and so I appreciate you guys coming out here and sitting with us and like I said there's a bigger picture to all this and hopefully we bring home I actually I know we'll bring home so all right thank you brother you got it very nice out Bound by Honor s got three titles that's pretty incredible know I've seen it in other have you seen posters from other so in in France it's uh prince prince princess de de the the princes of the city or so the streets yeah yeah yeah and then in Italy it's p blood packed yes in 2024 it's about to be the holy Grill the 4our 45 minute version man that's what I'm talking about with extra cruso scenes you know okay I'm going to tell a funny story just to be comedic all right I always like to tell this story even though it ain't true I told Taylor Taylor in the scene where they dropped me on the fire hydrant I said Taylor can't you let Kito finish first before they break his back he should that first good Jessie just do your job just asking just asking I'm just asking thank you my brothers apprciate you guys beauti that's great that's got right here all right okay pieces Smoke on the tour say oh got literally said on air that you're smoking all the time for sure the stuff that's kind of come so I can see a merchandise and understand what's going on with the brand Vibes is my Rolling Papers company I'll send you a nice box we just partner with big lighter which is big if you if you don't watch blood and blood out tonight CH you're not a real one this is like the main Lounge right here it's where I kind of like host most of my meetings and cook for our clients and kind of get them fired up on like what we're going to do in the future and stuff like that do rpes ever right there no kidding what is it it's a by a guy named Dustin yell plants it looks like plants doesn't it m his number right Who's the artist a guy named Dustin yell you want a camera is that what you yeah yeah my phone charging crazy you know my guy came here when this building was empty I said bro I need you to pay something for the wall he's like well tell me how you feel and bro after I beat cancer [ __ ] this people trying to take my business away I'm in the [ __ ] waves it's turbulent but you know it's bright end of the day bro that's it's a moment of poem we want to dedicate to him because of the inspiration of this painting and what he's gone through and what he's going to go through but where he's at if you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you wow if you can trust yourself when all men doubt you but make allowance for their doubting too if you can wait and not be tired by waiting or being lied about don't deal in lies or being hated don't give way to hating and yet don't look too good nor talk too wise if you can dream and not make dreams your master if you can think and not make thoughts your aim if you can meet with Triumph and disaster and treat those two Impostors just the same if you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken twist Ed by naves to make a trap for fools or watch the things you give you gave your life to broken and stoop and build them up with worn out [Music] tools if you can make one heap of all your winnings and risk it on one turn of pitch and toss and lose and start again at your beginnings and never breathe a word about your loss if you can force your heart and nerve and sinue to serve your turn long after they are gone and so hold on when there is nothing in you except the will which says to them hold on if you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue or walk with Kings nor lose the common touch if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you if all men count with you but none too much if you can fill the unforgiving minute with 60 seconds worth of distance run yours is the Earth and everything that's in it and which is more you'll be a man my son damn that's deep as [ __ ] if if I F that's honestly the sum of what I'm dealing with with it was [ __ ] pretty crazy that's [ __ ] pretty wild right there dude it's all in that right that's pretty [ __ ] pretty wild down just look at that read it no kamaras came from your favorite art he said count but not too much no all of it is Balan bro neither FES nor love rard Kipling it is rogard kiping is wow yeah that's [ __ ] deep [ __ ] right there [ __ ] really need to hear that right now well it's Buddha right Buddha brother [ __ ] tell him to suck my [ __ ]

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Published: Fri Dec 22 2023