Black Leg Ranch Tour with Allan Savory

tidbit about like I said this one grazing system here you can see there's 500 pair down over the hill there this pasture right across the fence has not been grazed yet we kept that we're going to be branding this weekend usually that would have been done but in 100 degree weather we had to keep pushing it off so we're hoping we can get it done this weekend this was it's got about 60 days rest on had these 500 pair in here for about three days or so these paddocks are 80 acres which is our last split I always tell folks you don't find what works for you and then and as you move into this then you'll find you know if you want to get a little more intensive or you know downsize a little more and that's kind of what we did I told Allen we started out after his grazing spillway back in these this was one great big pasture and we just split it twice and moved those cattle twice during the year and I liked what I saw and then we split it a little more and we split a little more so this had be when I was a kid this was season-long grazing that and it had been a bit abused because this was a pasture we used after when we branded and after we branded and the diversity had really narrowed you saw a lot of blue grama grass and what I'm kind of proud of and you can really see it over the hill a bit but those hills over there on the horizon that was solid sand when I was a kid sand dune II sand and that's covered with big bluestem and little bluestem now and it's by taking a lot of cattle in there and we sometimes will run a herd of yearlings and we had 23 hundred head of yearlings in there and it just tore the heck out of it but a little moisture and all of a sudden boom boom boom chutes came up where you didn't have any grass at all so I'm proud of that we're widening that now Allen says we're going to be he's gonna be critical here because he wants you guys to learn so if he gets too nasty I might leave no but I want to get these guys on and let you guys talk who's first here I'm here I think we got to get this on now we're going to use this - is this working yeah and it's coming over that I've got hearing aids so it all sounds funny to me I did make the coming to jury I really appreciate him making his land available letting us come on to it but we're here to learn so if I just please him it's not going to be the right thing to do and this is an awkward position I'm often placed in with one group in who'd gone to a lot of trouble to honor me and all sorts of stuff in New Mexico and we went out on the land and they told us about what they were doing and then they asked me for comment and I just stood there and I said I I don't know what to say I said I can be polite and thank you for honoring me and all that good your intention you have but I'll be dishonest or I can be honest but it's going to be blunt and what do you want and they said we want honesty and so we actually had a constructive discussion because what they were showing me was terrible now what he's showing me is not terrible thank God but what has rescued him is where he is on the brittleness scale so he's got 16 inches of rain and I knew the answer already but I just wanted to confirm with him when I looked at this ground I realized oh my god they've got almost no dry periods throughout the year this is a fairly non brittle environment this is so forgiving you can do almost anything and the only place it'll really show up badly is species disappearing or on the sand dunes or slopes it'll show bad on the slopes which it did and now he's seeing recovering so this is moving forward but to it could be a lot better considering the years he's been at it now that's not a criticism because he's but wisely gone step by step didn't have follow-up didn't have support but if we could have somehow been supporting him daily or almost or weekly or monthly we could have said okay that first encouragement you did let's just step that up further now the other thing I'm going to pick on not to be nasty to him because I want him to buy me a beer writer is we only think in words try to think without thinking in words okay now if we watch our words carefully it changes our thinking so he said a couple of words here today that shocked me and I realized oh my god we haven't been supporting this guy okay what were the words he used he said he referred to this grazing system they we've abandoned grazing systems don't ever use that word again grazing systems do not work period okay the only place you can use a management system the only place is where everything is predictable so on in your businesses on your farms and so on you would be wise I would advise you to use management system for your accounting system your inventory control anything in the business that is predictable use a management system now if you use an agricultural management system an educational system an economic system a grazing system god help you you're on your own I promise you it'll fail no now military people have understood that hundreds of years ago they used to fight battles with a set system infantry in a square cavalry on the right artillery on the left watches in the rear they bashed away at each other they realize this is stupid no army today fights on any system because they know you're guaranteed to if you run your business your grazing anything on a system I'm not in your waste time with you you're guaranteed to lose it's too unpredictable okay so try to get to talking about planned grazing and then you will begin to plan grazing because nobody who's planning grazing says I'm on a grazing system they don't use that wording now if you pick on the wording and have fun with each other don't don't make it nasty have fun with each other you'll find the learning speeds up and I used to do that in training groups and say okay you guys pick on me any time I use the wrong word pick on me stop me immediately and I'll do the same to you and we'd laugh if we caught each other hell at the end of the week that learning was so much quicker because we watched the wording and then the thinking changes okay so that that is one and the other thing that you used that you will eventually drop is you refer to rotational grazing you you see don't do rotational grazing lots of people are it's understandable you'll get away with it in climates as benign as this but if you were doing this exact same thing in New Mexico you'd have fallen on your ass already because the climates not so forgiving if you're doing this exact same thing in Zimbabwe you'd have fallen on your ass already okay so you don't have to reinvent the wheel just read the original read boson that's my my wife and I got his book republished so that you could all read it you can get it from Island Press he studied rotational grazing systems which they've had in Europe for two or three hundred years and they're not working they're not working anywhere they're losing biodiversity okay so try and get off that because we know that doesn't work it's a system it's prescribed etc and just go to plan grazing which works over sounds grazing which is a simple form of planning which works and was Anne's grazing would work extremely well here we adopted it 4050 years ago in Africa thinking no point in reinventing the wheel disguised invented it so we just took was Anne's rational grazing planned rational thought out grazing we did it in Africa and we fell on our asses the complexity of Africa the brittleness scale difference between that and France and Germany was too great thank goodness we realized this man is not wrong the technique he's using is too simple we've got to deal with more complexity more wildlife longer dry periods we've gotta find a better technique and the technique we do use and advocate that you use and you can train on you can learn to do it in a day is the plan grazing okay now that we've never ever had a failure not one single failure since we established that which was in about the mid to late 60s why have we never had a failure with that simply because it's got three hundred years work behind it it doesn't came from me I just cribbed the military if the military had worked out over three hundred years how to take anybody trained them quickly and enable them to produce the best possible plan right now under immediate battlefield conditions how the hell was I can improve it why try and improve it I just cryptid army I was learning it as an army officer I was using it in the military hello just gonna start using on the farm exact same technique it's that's why I always credit Sanders Military Academy with the grazing planning didn't come from grain science came from the army and it's just an incredibly painfully simple way of planning and it doesn't break down we can't make it fail and tonight I'll show pictures of that where before we even let it go on the public we put in two projects one in low rainfall one in high rainfall we called them advanced project not trials because we were trying to make them fail and trying to make it fail we could not it just got better and better and better so if you can make it fail you'll be the first in the world and we'll let every hub in the world know immediately if you can make it fail if not use it so that's what we do is encourage it now with the what happened here you've got it from Jerry this is improving my criticism is the rate is too slow for his family for the community for everything this could be speeded up so there's no criticism of what he's doing it's the right if if this had been if we'd been able to coach you and be with you we'd have just speed it up speed it up and buy you more beer and part of that is going to take thought from you so you guys can be part of this what I am seeing is hundreds of ranchers doing what you're doing this was a big pasture we split it we split it you're splitting it you see they're down to about eighty acres with about 500 head of cattle that is pathetic because this is under arrest nearly all the time he said this is getting two months of rest no no it's getting 12 months of rest it's getting two months of recovery now words the land does not need rest rest is destructive to this land what is slowing up the progress here as the amount of rest okay the plants need recovery the soil needs recovery from trampling so what you're actually doing without realizing it is you're practicing rotating partial and total rest that's what you're actually doing because the biggest influence is what the land will respond to and we've over centuries thought that over grazing was the biggest influence no we thought you could over graceland we teach that you can over graceland there's not a single textbook I found or PhD dissertation that even defines over grazing we didn't define it because we knew what it was it's too many animals and then we learnt from was then that it's not too many animals it's a time factor alright so we teach and you see that today and we believe that you can over graze land no you can't you cannot over graze land because land is made up of soil and stones and trees and bush and all these things functioning together all you can graze or over graze this plants so you have stopped over grazing plants you see with this simple planning the rotation you've done I don't see any over various plants that's great so what's happening is when the cattle are coming into this they're not over grazing plants they're grazing plants that's healthy when they get in this paddock it's the two influences are grazing of plants and partial rest of the land because his animals are not excited they will bunch here and there and when you put the bigger herd together they're they're bunched more you've got a bigger result and you saw it yeah and that's what you've got to keep building on okay so when the animals are out of this paddock what's happening total rest so really because rest is the biggest influence you've got a rotation of partial and total rest now I wouldn't know these things I wouldn't understand these things if I wasn't being given the privilege and the opportunity to be on hundreds of ranches seeing what you're doing knowing how long you've done it etc and then also living on a property where we're doing the same thing as you're doing but we're doing it with many elephants and Buffalo and lions and giraffe and sable and everything else and in making our decisions holistically we could not use fencing so our stock density is far lower than yours our density is like it used to be in North America very low when you had millions of bison here the stock density was incredibly low because the paddock was the whole of the United States do you see it so the density was very low but the herd effect the animal impact was extremely high because you had two herds of 5,000 10,000 15,000 20,000 won her after another you had very high impact we are doing that same thing now so all ours is herding and the results on the ground we are able to see and you've been in seeing them some others have it's been phenomenal far faster than we can achieve with with fencing so I realized now ok the fault yeah and I'm in Iran chess is mine because I was teaching people just to use fencing if I could wind the clock back I would now be saying hey it's little bit of herding much more or combinations of herding and fencing because we are seeing such phenomenal change just herding that no fencing now the reason we're doing it is best described with one of the students we had he'd been with us a young African and then I brought him over here and we were on a ranch in Texas of almost the same size and almost the same sized herd of cattle and sheep and goats so we had almost identical size of ranch size of herds and I said to him as we went over the land he saw like this many forbs not a lot of species of grass things moving but moving slowly and I said how does this compare with what you saw in Africa is it almost nothing like it what we're doing in Africa you know he'd been there for six months is it it's just moving many more species of grass much more litter Babla and I said okay well what's the difference the ranches are the same rainfalls not all that much difference one is in America ones in Texas I mean ones in Africa and then I said now come to the cattle I said when you were in Africa and you went to the herd of cattle and sheep and goats where was the nearest animal to you and he said well yeah I could touch it I said where was the furthest animal from he said Oh 50 meters over there I said where was the furthest animal on the left he said 20 yards 30 yards over there where was the furthest one on the right just over here so he was describing a herd of 500 head of cattle day and night on one acre of land well this day and night throughout the earth I said now you're on this ranch in Texas with fencing and not hurting same-side cattle where's the nearest animal to you you said yes hundred yards over there where's the furthest one don't know can't see it and I see where's the furthest one my left can't see it all right can't see it they just day and night spread and that that physical impact the hooves of the animal is the main thing giving us the recovery so yeah I just say wonderful what you've done and encourage you to think of those terms get to the planning learning go back to it learn how to do it more and just start trying to find ways to step up the physical activity just so that what you observed over there happens here too and just speed this up there's your lens not deteriorating it's improving you're probably getting more carbon into soil everything else and my criticisms are purely in your self-interest to speed it right yeah because I think you could go a lot faster and then we're gonna have to learn how to do that together because I don't know how you do that here does it mean putting hurting your cattle some of the time hurting whatever I don't know Oh for your interest on the ranch in Africa that I'm talking of when we began we had a hundred head of cattle and it was deteriorating badly the rancher was going broke when I bought that ranch we have gone through ten bad years now a couple of them at average rainfall the rest below last year the driest anybody's ever known in history with five hundred head of cattle so we've gone from 100 to 500 produced the incredible result and we absolutely forced to try to increase and double that number now and go to a thousand just to keep pace with the production of the land after ten four years and I think you can do the same here [Music] never grew up and raised with this that's a good thing so you should have more in here yeah as we were saying back the Oberon was you've got every decision has got to be made in your own self-interest economically such etc and when you're making the decision it's very common thing with ranches is when they begin just as he did is they want to put in fencing that's the communist reaction and many of them put in radial layouts and a lot of fencing even though I said don't do that many did it what most ranchers need to do is first start increasing the cattle I'm going to talk cattle but it could be sheep goats or anything because almost every ranch that I've ever been on is over capitalized in other words too much money tied up in the value of the land the buildings that pickups the salaries the family to be supported that's a lot of money tied up for very few cattle to pay for it so it's over capitalized and they get pushed by extension services and anywhere everyone to improve the cattle performance produce the cattle production etcetera no because you're doing that with more costs although they're variable costs and if you just take the stocking rate the number of cattle and double it it changes the economic picture completely even if your cattle performance is poorer and we actually worked out with statisticians in Africa that on the average ranch there if we could double the stocking rate in the first year which we ended up doing routinely if we could do that as long as individual performance of animals never fell more than 40 percent and it never ever did fall that much as long as that never happened we would always make more profit consistently make more profit now the ohio state epstein encode did a research paper published a paper here where they followed the early practitioners in the united states okay to me for training at that time and those early practitioners averaged 300% more profit and at that time suicide was the leading cause of death and 600,000 families went broke over that same time period yeah so it makes a big difference and one of the big differences there's as you begin is the importance of looking at the chain of production so on any business but particularly in agriculture you've got sun coming to plants it's got to be converted to a product it's got to be marketed and then you've got a dollar and if you look at any average ranch that is over capitalized you shouldn't put money into the link that is not the weakest and if you put money into the fencing it means you're trying to increase the amount of grass grown really you're trying to increase that production of that link of the chain whereas your chanita is just more cattle and so normally we would try and what certainly with what we know today to get the people just to start jump lumping the cattle going to fewer herds plan the grazing even if you only got four or five paddocks don't matter start with what you got but start getting the cattle numbers up so that you can deal with the over capitalisation and then as you generate the money you put in the fencing and ideally you you shouldn't put in the developments like fencing and water and things until they are earning money if you're putting them in when they're costing money you're doing the wrong thing so that's the financial planning that we try to teach people to think like it and it's very critical one way I try to get farmers here to think about it is I just say what did it cost to develop America you know if we thought like farmers do today nobody would have sent anybody from Europe over here they couldn't afford it to develop this country this is the wealthiest countries ever existed and it was developed by Americans with creativity and raw resources if they thought like you do today nobody would have come here couldn't afford it your farms your ranches all wealth so you've got to build up from that yeah with his military planning procedure that we can add to that was they learned how to put all the moves I think that's that step up from rotational grazing where you really truly are monitoring and creating much much more than you thought you could little more can you speak briefly Alan to when you walked here and you said you saw it needed you know after the years it come slow and you weren't seeing what it could can you describe that to us what you're seeing in why you just okay yeah remember I'm used to seeing land because I've been reading it like a book for years and years and years from the air and on the ground and so knowing he'd gone for many years I would have expected to see many more species of grass less forbs I am seeing a great many forbs and I'm not seeing a lot of diversity of species of grass and that immediately alerted me something's wrong this is stagnating it's it's improving but so slowly and I had this with a rancher not too far from here in another state their bison produces I'd actually been on the ranch when they began and got them started they had been under a person who trained with me and they've done beautiful grazing planning they drop the planning and they've done beautiful monitoring they could involved the University in it and train guy and they monitor exactly what's happening on the land and it was six years from when they'd got started and I was with them on the ranch and saw it and then I revisited and we they drove me all around the ranch and I was disappointed and I didn't know what to say because they're such nice people they've done such a good job and then I thought well I just got to be frank about it so at the house I said look I'm disappointed you I can see you've improved but it's just stagnating this is not going at the rate it should and I cannot find out what's wrong your planning is beautiful your monitoring is beautiful but it's a disappointing to me and I said is there anywhere on the ranch where it's really improving because if we can find somewhere and then work out why it'll give us a clue and they said no there's no way and I said well let's take another drive around and we drove around again and we were coming along a fence hitting another fence and the car stopped I got out of the truck to open the gate I looked through the fence from my right and I just got excited I just dropped the birdie gate let through the fence walked off into the land there I was looking at it it was just so many more species different color in the grass healthy healthy water cycle everything and they came through the fence that I said well we thought you might be excited that's it this is what I was looking for what did you do differently here and they said well it's not one of our paddocks it's just a holding trap see it holding trap that was the one place their animals milled in a big bunch periodically and it was totally different and that's what I didn't see here so even if you looked around like you gave me a clue when you said over there you saw bigger improvement and you said bigger heard of yeah and you said 2,000 head of cattle not 500 mm makes a difference that bigger heard the first researcher to prove me wrong was a personal friend of mine and he published a paper on how wrong was and how if you increase the herd effect etc you wouldn't get the results I said and I said well I need to visit your research and McCammon was his name the paper still cited sometimes we went in moto Paz research station in Rhodesia's then was and as we drove I saw acacia tree and the I could see two stairs under the tree and I couldn't see any other cattle finally I said make me as you heard he said there they are and I said Mick what are you doing he said well we've got to tear stairs on acre plots we're rotating them around acre plots and I said if they both get excited is it a big deal I said if they're both crowd under the tree is it a big deal he said what are you getting at I said look if you had 100 acre plots and you put 200 steers in there and they crowded under that tree for shade today you'd get a totally different effect he couldn't see it do you see it's the same stock density it's not about stock density it's about behavior so I've tried to make that much clearer in the new textbook and how you can go for higher stock density in these less brittle environments you'll do well you'll be happy with it but it could be better and then if you get to the bigger ranches and particularly with longer dry periods like you have in New Mexico Arizona whatever don't even waste your time with stock density start going right away to herd effect try to get the behavior change in the animals which we get through the herding see with the herding the animal's behavior has changed all the time and at night they're going to an enclosure to protect them from milan's and it's again it's very high impact and that moves every week so where it's very highly impacted that moves every week yeah I think they want you up there [Music] couple things when we got that cloud cover a minute ago who's like a little bit of relief there's lots of good cover for the microorganisms that's one good thing if you want to do it so they can just came to me and I wanted Alan to respond to okay we're gonna put more numbers or more impact on this at what point do you know you you you went too far I mean there's some point there and can you respond to that a bit yep if you go too far okay what you'll find is the cattle performance will drop off and the land will get better it's the exact opposite of what happened under continuous and grazing systems and so on in the past if you exceeded things you'll land it aerated before your animals and that's what's been happening for thousands of years land deteriorated animals didn't if you plan the grazing properly and you over exceed it your animals will drop off it's your warning your land will actually get better as long as you don't break the planning and that's what we did and I will show you the slides of at this evening on the advance projects we tried to force failure and we couldn't cause it to fail it just got better and better I just like to make one point because we've observed that with the big herd of the yearlings one of the struggles we had we could really make the improvement on the land and we saw it on those Sander hills but then we dropped the performance on and when you're dealing with yearlings that you want to gain on that was just struggling so I was constantly fighting myself about where is the balance and that's I think the biggest challenge yeah it is a challenge and and once somebody asked me as we were walking down about forcing the animals to eat selectively grazing that's one of the things that's been a bugbear for a long time in the early days in the late early 60s when we were desperately trying to sort this out and work out how to use cattle a botanist in South Africa John a Cox did some wonderful work he gave us part of the clues to this and what John was doing he was a botanist studying the advance of the kuru desert in southern Africa and how the grasslands had given way when the millions of spring buck and eland or all these animals had gone the spring started to dry up the grassland gave way to desert and he developed a solution to that he believed which was non-selective grazing and he believed that if you've just divided the land up into 16 divisions stocked it very highly each one and grazed until the plants were evenly grazed and moved on everything would recover because he reasoned that the plants had disappeared because of selective grazing now that was logical it made sense it fitted observations and I went on visited John spent time with him looked at ranches he was working with and I was excited about it and then much like I have mentioned just now with the ranch I visited the Howells lemon Denise Howe who were practicing that with a lot of sheep in the in the Cape and when we went around I was disappointed in what I was seeing on the land and once more I got excited when I saw one corner where it was very different and I said what happened here and what it was was a lightning storm so there's a big storm and all the sheep crowded into a corner and they had very much higher impact and I got excited about that I said you give me a key we've got to get this impact up and not not stop selection if the animals have to select at a high rate if you force them to eat and you stop selection their performance will drop guaranteed so we don't do that so wouldn't you look at the herded animals were using in Africa when they come out of an area where they've been herded communist remark of visitors is why the hell have you taken them out they've hardly touched anything well the answer is they've been here three days it's time to move and they're selecting at a very high level doesn't matter it wasn't selective grazing that was the problem it was oxidation that was the problem and we had missed that so non-selective becomes an absolute no-no don't force the animals you will get a drop in four horns if you have to force the animals for a land or other purpose then pick up the period in the year in the planning when you can do it so if you pick a period with say when cows are dry and pregnant there is tough as hell you can afford to drop at least fifteen percent in body weight and you'll actually improve their performance so that's the time you do it if you're going to force anything is that window of opportunity but if some stalkers or grazers or lactating cows don't do it they'll drop yeah you know that's one of the steps in the planning is yeah the leader follow it in other words if you do a follow-through if you've got let's say I had 10 paddocks here and I have two herds and for some reason I have to have two herds now what are my alternatives I can run all 10 paddocks with both with two herds so each herd will come through every paddock and I can plan it that way to get short grazing periods and recovery periods or I could allocate paddocks so I could say one herd is bigger than the other or more important it's the first carving heifers or whatever more important so I could allocate it six paddocks and use four paddocks for the other hood but still plan the grazing or I could say okay one herd is going to market earlier or whatever reason they they're more important and I could do a follow through so one usually a smaller more important herd will come into what a paddock and when it goes out the next herd will come in that day so it's a follow through and you can follow through with up to three herds if you like you can have high milking cows the best milk is first then the average milk is and then the four ones or whatever following okay it just it can be done and you work it out in the textbook that's explained and the training it's explained and you just choose which is best for you now choosing this moment to explain because a lot of people don't get why why not rotate what place through my mind there was I was visiting a farmer further at least of here he was much publicized in grasslands Stockman farmer what did they call it a really nice guy he trained with me a really good farmer doing all the right things etc and I visited him and I picked up that he had dropped the planning and was rotating and he couldn't see anything wrong and he was doing well when I looked at it he had a particularly wet year not a dryer it was particularly wet he'd run out of grass and he was having to lease additional grazing now there were warnings there and I said well why have you dropped the planning well it's so simple this farm is so simple I didn't need that planning I can just do it in my head and I said do you mind if I pull out a chart and we actually do the planning he didn't mind so we did the planning he was wasting money he didn't need to lease land he just had too many herds all he had to do was amalgamate herds and all that money being wasted on lease would have been saved and his animals would have been proving his land more we picked it up immediately in the planning rotating he couldn't pick that up we'll do a simple test this evening at the talker I'll do a simple test and then if any of you pass it you do rotational grazing yeah it's an option but it's not a very good one that's why I said we will have to work it out and nice to work with you on it and through the hubs and things as we talked about I can't do it now because waste too much time but I can explain it to you if we were in one room and I often do this some of you probably done it with me in the past if we were in one room okay all of us and I said okay we're cattle what's the stocking rate and it would be the number of cattle in this room what's the stock density be the same number of cattle in this room and then I would say to you okay all of you crowd up into half the room and I actually crowd you despite the desks or everything else into half the room and I said now what's the stocking rate no it's exactly the same what's the stock density it's now double and they'd all agree with that and I said now crowd into quarter of the room and I kept crowd them into quarter of the room and I said now what's the stocking rate it's the same what's the stock density it's doubled again and I said now going to an eighth of the room and I'd crowd them in and ask the same question and then I'd do it again and I'd keep doing and I would stop the moment the noise level arose because all throughout that it'd be quiet and at sudden point everybody's voice goes up people start laughing joking and you've reached the point where their behavior changes okay and you have to go to a high level to get that behavior change you have to use too much fencing that's why again I've try to make it very clear in the new book do it if you're on a small farm low brittleness environment pasture something like that if you're on a big ranch big tracts of land and waste your time start looking at other ways now other ways that we're developing are their herding putting dogs periodically if you just have dog man with horse and couple of dogs for part of the day just just bunching the animals just simulate the wolf just getting crowd somewhere attractants just finding ways to get them bunching excited moving when he looks at the land I'm seeing some lichen there's some moss covering ground the land is telling it has more potential than being used and how to then improve that but keep in mind it's not to fit the holistic context of the people involved that family might say we are just fine financially we're just fine socially we're just playing with our workload we don't need to go to any higher stock density or and that may be where they are at that point it doesn't mean that it's where they could be and here you're not seeing tremendous soil erosion or bear you're at least at that point that's not damaging the land and putting silt and sand early so it's got to be done in context and so many times we get specific questions on actions and what should I do the fence or cattle or just make sure you don't go away thinking that any action has been encouraged over another it truly depends on your conduct then just depend depends upon your context what you're trying to do where it fits for your financial okay anything to say unless anyone has a real pressing question or anything for Alan and virus it's gonna take us a little while to get there you can answer the questions over there as well well thank you I will skip off now to take a break otherwise I turn into a pumpkin or whatever it is because I'll see you some of you tonight or most do it tonight and we'll go through some of us again [Applause]

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Published: Wed Sep 27 2017