Biqu Thunder vs Artillery3D X1 vs Creality CR-10S Pro: Large 3D printer comparison

are you looking for a 3d printer with a large build volume but you don't know what to get well in this video I'm going to compare three of the main contenders [Music] [Music] people ask me all the time what thready printed to buy and it's really hard to answer them because it really comes down to the individual needs and wants I think the best that I can do is make a video like this where I have a detailed comparison so viewers can make an informed decision the way I see it there are several categories of 3d printers depending on their size we have the tiny novelty size printers such as the e3d nano and the modern Paris mini Delta and that's not to say that they're not useful because I have a really cool upgrade coming for my mini Delta the next size up I would call small with print dimensions around 150 millimeters cubed printers like the end the two and the status mark three fit in here and even my first ready printer at home my solidoodle - next up we have the medium size and that's probably the most popular these have build dimensions of 200 millimeters cubed and up and that includes the end of three and a five pro so mark 3 and the tebow flash the next size up I would call large and that's the focus of this video and generally they have an x and y dimension of 300 millimeters and at height of 400 millimeters this category was really set up by the original criolla TCR 10 as it was hugely popular and a lot bigger than other 3d printer offerings at the time a new wave of large format models have come out recently with all-in-one construction touch screens and silent stepper motor drivers beyond this there's the extra large format printers such as a CR 10 s4 s5 and CR 10 max but that's for another time because today we're comparing the BQ thunder the artillery 3d Sidewinder x1 and the Cree a Leticia 10's pro as well as two other outside contenders which I'll talk about at the end of the video I should mention that originally I was intending to include the t-bone aureus Pro in this comparison but Evo were unable to iron out the bugs and I strongly applaud them for not releasing the printer if it wasn't up to their standards anyways let's start by looking at the overall specs as well as the prices all three of these printers have a build volume of 300 by 300 by 400 millimeters and they have all-in-one construction which means all of the electronics in control boxes are housed within the machine at the front of that body they also have some nice colored touch screens the BQ Thunder and the see our tennis pro have Bowden extrusions and the Sidewinder x1 has a direct-drive extruder the Thunder is the cheapest at 370 US dollars and that's for the advanced model which I recommend the Sidewinder x1 is next at 450 US dollars while the CS 10 pro is 600 dollars from the official store although you'll find it as cheap as 540 if you're happy to buy from bang good next up we're going to look at features of note for each sprinter the BQ Thunder has some nice points such as filament run-out and jamming protection it also has auto power off after the print completes and the printer cools down it's the only printer here with a 32 bit mainboard but perhaps its best feature is the cloud connectivity with OneTouch slicing and printing from the my mini factory app this isn't perfect but it is a welcome feature and I think we'll see it on more printers in the future it does have auto bed leveling but it's a temporary clip-on probe it does also have a removable flexible and magnetic bed but more on that one later on the Sidewinder x1 has a really beefy frame with outstanding cable management as I said in my review it really is built like a tank like the others it has dual z-axis stepper motors but in this model they are locked in unison by a belt it has an AC powered mains headed glass bed so it's super fast to get printing for a bit of novelty it also has a G code control RGB LED next to the printhead welcome features include filament run-out and a direct drive extruder which is geared with a small pancake stepper to keep it as light as possible the see our tennis pro has a really nice dual hob bond Tec extruder the feed for this goes through a simple filament run-out sensor and I applaud Cree allottee for including genuine Capricorn PTFE tube and a genuine meanwhile power supply it's the only printer here with an automatic bed leveling sensor permanently installed which means you can probe the bed before every print if that's what you'd like to do next we'll compare how refined these printers are all of these printers are fairly refined in one of the most obvious ways that you'll see that is in their colored touchscreens the see our tennis pro has the biggest display but the funder probably has the nicest interface in my opinion beside 1 2 X 1 MKS TFT looks a little dated by comparison but it does have the advantage over the others of being customizable which means you can change the graphics and add custom buttons all three printers have silent stepper motor drivers which means during printing the only noise you'll hear are the fans and the see our tennis pro is probably the loudest of the three it's probably worth mentioning that all three were easy to unbox assemble and be printing in a short amount of time I can say up front that all three printers produce a really nice print quality in my initial reviews which are linked in the description you'll get to see more but for this video I've done three distinct test prints which we'll use as a source for comparison they all use x3d PLA filament at point two millimeter layer height a base speed of 80 millimeters per second and they're all sliced in simplified 3d the first is this cylinder test and it might look like it's done in vires mud but it's not each layer is built on top of the last and I find this print excellent for checking for Z banding as you can see the results for all three printers are absolutely perfect my second test print is this bars in VARs mode and I find it with single walls that even on these dark ones when you hold them up to the light and look through you can check very easily for inconsistent extrusion once again the result from all three printers are stunning with no extrusion issues at all the speeds are the same and with it slightly heavier direct-drive extruder you can see a little bit more wringing on there Sidewinder x1 print my third print is this dagger Saurus and it's great for checking out fine details as well as for stringing in between the spikes on its back much like the earlier two prints I'm a hard press to really notice any difference between these in quality every printer can faithfully reproduce the fine scale pattern on the back of the dinosaur there doesn't appear to be any problem with any of the overhangs and there's also not any problems with stringing in between the spines on the back in my opinion the test prints from all three of these are great and you'll get even better results by slowing down the base print speed let's get on to the negatives and I've been using each of these long enough now to know all of the annoying things that are likely to pop up although I have to say most of them were identified during my initial review period let's start with thermal runaway protection the Thunder and the x1 had it the see our tennis pro came without but I did make a guide on how to update this at the expense of power loss recovery the BQ Thunder has three main issues the first is the included slicer profile that came on my SD card was absolute junk but that's an easy fix by a slicing profile from a community group instead the flexible and removable magnetic bed on this printer is prone to cracking which is what happened to me early on in my review period as there are already magnets in the bed you can buy something like a wham-bam sheet cheaply and at their p/e exceed on top or other print surface of your liking the nozzle won't be able to reach the bed but eight heads on Thingiverse has a quick and simple fix in this adjustable zed height in stock holder this makes the thinner wham-bam sheet compatible and the upside is because it's thinner and lighter and heats up quicker too and that's a good thing because the main problem with this printer is the underpowered 12-volt power supply when I was reviewing this I struggled to get the print bed up to the temps required for PT g or abs in the configuration that i've tested here this printer is only really suitable for printing with pla as well as some flexibles but if that's what you're intending to print then you have the opportunity to get yourself a bargain the sidewinder x1 had the least amount of issues for me it has no auto bird leveling kit from factory but it doesn't really need it because the glass bed is really flat I only added a BL touch to mine because I wanted to make a video comparing it as well as the touch me there were talks of Z banding on the early models but customers including me were sent a g-code file to print a fix and as you can see from my test parts the vertical sides are great this fix has been included from factory in all printer sold for some time now you can see that I've added a wham-bam bed to this one too but that's because I'm not good at keeping bear glass clean this printer now comes with an ultra base style glass bed and if I started with this I probably would have left it stocked because I quite like those some people find the filament holder a little bit fiddly up here especially if using different width spools because you have to adjust it each time but I don't really mind that too much probably the only main problem is the AC powered bed does not have any form of strain relief on the back but fortunately there is a free and printable fix for that on Thingiverse as well the CR 10 s pro launched was definitely rocky and I experienced arranging issues so many that I felt it necessary to make a fixes video in that it covered things such as filament guides to stop the build-up of filament on the extruder as well as a replaced fan ducks because the stock one broke it's not great to have those type of issues on the most expensive printer of the three but by far the worst issue was the inconsistent a BL probe the adjustments from my fixes videos have mine always putting down a great first layer but there was a fair amount of trial and error to get to that standard I've read that reality have now updated the probe on this printer to one that only senses metal and this should mean that's no longer affected by changes in temperature in humidity perhaps someone can confirm this by posting in the comments below now on to my summary all three of these printers are very capable and produced the lovely lovely prints but they also all have their downsides if you only intent to print in PLA the BQ thunder is a relative bargain even after you pay to add a wham-bam bed on top the Sidewinder x1 is a great all-rounder and sits in the middle ground in terms of price and features the CR 10 s pro is the most expensive and does suffer from the most niggles that it probably has the highest spec hardware and is the most polished overall also keep in mind that it does have the largest user base which means you'll find more support online and more free and printable upgrade parts so you can modify your machine and make it better if you're choosing between these three try and think what category you fit into what are your needs and hopefully what you've seen in this video can help you make an informed decision I mentioned at the start I would have a couple of alternate options if you're looking to think outside the box firstly I reviewed the JG Aurora a 5s and found it quite capable the build volume it's not as tall as these coming at only 300 millimetres but most people can live with that the turn off for me was a proprietary firmware and that means I was limited in the modifications and things I could do with the printer but I understand completely that most people probably won't care about that I donated mine to a primary school and it hasn't missed a beat since this printer is a little bit simpler than others but it still represents good value for money another option is a printer that's not from this new wave of large format printers for instance my tebow tornado this printer for me has been an absolute war course it has a mains heated AC bed which makes it attractive over an early CR 10 which had slow bed heating performance if you're looking to save you money and willing to settle for an older design it might represent the best value option for you finally the future if you're unimpressed with all of these and you're holding out for something better I'm just about to take delivery of a new printer for review tell me how you think this sounds 300 millimeter cubed build volume linear rails core XY AC headed bed 32-bit open source all for less money than a CR tennis pro if you'd like to see that review in the future make sure you hit that sub button and if you have one of these printers it will probably be very useful if you shared your experiences in the comments for other viewers to make an informed decision of their own thank you so much for watching and until next time happy large format 3d printing g'day it's Michael again if you liked the video then please click like if you want to see more content like this in future click Subscribe and make sure you click on the Bell to receive every notification if you really want to support the channel and see exclusive content become a patron visit my patreon page see you next time

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Length: 12min 58sec (778 seconds)

Published: Thu Sep 19 2019