QUIT AND THERE ARE LIKELY A LOT OF LEGAL CHALLENGES AHEAD AS WELL. ELIZABETH: GRADY TRIBBLE IS GOOD TO SEE YOU, THANK YOU FOR YOUR JOURNALISM. MR. GETTING CONGRESSWOMAN LISA MCLEAN. YOUR REACTION WHEN YOU HEARD THE PRESIDENT SPEECH ON THIS NOW WE HAVE 19 GOVERNORS PLANNING TO FIGHT THIS ON UNLAWFUL, UNCONSTITUTIONAL OVERREACH OF GOVERNMENT POWER. WHAT DO YOU SAY. >> I SAY WE SHOULD NOT BE SURPRISED. THIS IS THE ADMINISTRATION AND THE PRESIDENT WHO IS ACTING MUCH MORE LIKE A DICTATOR THAN THE PRESIDENT. WE SHOULD NOT BE SURPRISE, WE JUST WATCHED HIM STAND ON THE STEP OF THE CAPITAL AND SAID I KNOW THIS EVICTION MORATORIUM IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL BUT I'M GOING TO DO IT ANYWAY. HE KNOWS WHAT HE'S DOING WITH THE VACCINE MANDATE IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL BUT HE'S DOING ANYWAY. AT THE END OF THE DAY GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO GET OUT OF THE WAY AND LET BUSINESS TO THEIR JOB AND DO THEIR BUSINESS. ELIZABETH: PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON ARE SAYING PEOPLE ARE GETTING SICK WE NEED TO GET THEM VACCINATED BUT THE ISSUE IS IT'S A CONSTITUTIONAL FIGHT BECAUSE THE SUPREME COURT ALREADY SAID THE PUBLIC-HEALTH POWERS RESIDE WITH THE STATE, NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THEN RON MACLEAN THE CHIEF OF STAFF IS FACING CRITICISM, HE SAID THE BIDEN PLAN IS TO WORK AROUND TO GET 80 MILLION VACCINATED, JONATHAN CHARLIE SAYS WHAT DOES THAT MEAN I WORK AROUND AROUND THE CONSTITUTION, JONATHAN CAUSES BREATHTAKINGLY AGHAST THIS COULD BE THE BASIS OF LAWSUITS AGAINST US. WHAT DO YOU SAY. >> IT IS GOING TO BE AND WERE ALREADY HEARING AND SEEING LAWSUITS BEING FILED AROUND THIS. TO ME LET'S TAKE A DIFFERENT APPROACH. LET'S TAKE A POSITIVE APPROACH. THE THREATS DON'T WORK. IF YOU THREATEN PEOPLE TO GET VACCINATED THEY WILL NOT DO IT. WHY DON'T YOU START WITH A POSITIVE MESSAGE THAT SEEMS TO WORK A LOT BETTER. THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD SAY THAT THE GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO DO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE LOST TRUST IN THE GOVERNMENT IF WE COULD TELL THE TRUTH WE DON'T EXPECT PEOPLE TO BE PERFECT BUT WE DO EXPECT PEOPLE TO TELL THE TRUTH, BE CONSISTENT AND TRANSPARENT A LOT MORE PEOPLE WOULD GO OUT AND GET THE VACCINE AFTER CONSULTING WITH HER DOCTOR IF THEY HAD SOME SPACE IN THE GOVERNMENT. BUT WHEN WE LIE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION TRIES TO MASSAGE AND MANIPULATE AND CONTROL PERCEPTION THAT DOES NOT HELP PEOPLE GO OUT AND GET THE VACCINE IT MAKES THEM MORE CAUTIOUS ABOUT GETTING IT BECAUSE THEY CANNOT TRUST AS A ADMINISTRATION. ELIZABETH: THIS IS THE PRESIDENT STEPPING INTO THE PRIVATE SECTOR AND VIOLATES NUMEROUS CONSTITUTION NOT JUST COMMERCE CLAUSE, IT'S ABOUT THE POWERS OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH VERSUS THE SEPARATION OF POWERS. THE PRESIDENT IS TRYING TO USE OSHA, EMERGENCY STANDARD AUTHORITY, OSHA HAS NOT USED THIS EMERGENCY AUTHORITY SINCE 1983. COURTS HAVE KNOCKED US OUT THEY KNEW COULD NOT DO THIS TRYING TO USE THE STANDARD TO ENACT PUBLIC-HEALTH POWERS. THIS IS IN THE LAWSUIT, WE HAVE THAT IT'S UNFAIR THAT HE'S ACCUSED OF EXEMPTING POSTAL SERVICE WORKERS, EXEMPTING ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS IN THE POSTAL SERVICE WORKERS AND UNION ALLIES. I WANT TO MOVE ON TO THIS MIDSIZE COMPANIES, THE LITTLE GUYS, THEY ARE WORRIED, THE PRO-VACCINE, THERE SAYING WERE FOR VACCINE, PUTTING THIS MANDATE ON TOP OF THEM WHEN THE KIDS FIND WORKERS AFTER THE JOBLESS BENEFITS DEBACLE, HOW DOES THAT WORK, WHAT SHOULD BE YOUR MESSAGE TO THE MIDSIZE WORKERS, THE LITTLE GUYS. >> I FEEL SORRY FOR THOSE PEOPLE IN THE BIGGEST QUESTION I HAVE WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 99 EMPLOYEES AND 100 EMPLOYEES, DOES COVID ONLY AFFECT BUSINESSES THAT HAVE 100 EMPLOYEES AND MORE AND LISTEN WE ARE IN A STATE RIGHT NOW WHERE WE HAVE 11 MILLION JOB OPENINGS THAT WE CANNOT FILL, PUTTING FORCE THESE MANDATES ARE NOT GOING TO HELP THE BUSINESS OWNER ESPECIALLY THE SMALL BUSINESS OWNER THAT IS STRUGGLING RIGHT NOW TO FIND WORKERS, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO QUIT THEIR JOB OR NOT RETURNED TO WORK IF WE DO THESE MANDATES. WE HAVE A LABOR SHORTAGE IN THIS MANDATE IS NOT GOING TO HELP THAT. ELIZABETH: LET'S LISTEN TO THIS, THE PRESIDENT, NANCY PELOSI, JEN PSAKI, DR. FAUCI, JUST MONTHS AGO SAID NO, NO TO VACCINE MANDATES, THIS IS NOT THE ROLE OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO DO THIS. THEY SAID AT THAT TIME THIS IS A GOVERNMENT OVERREACH TO TRY TO FORCE AMERICANS TO GET VACCINATED. WATCH THIS. >> NO I DO NOT THINK IT SHOULD BE MANDATORY WERE NOT DEMANDED TO BE MANDATORY BUT I WOULD DO EVERYTHING BY POWER JUST LIKE I DON'T THINK BASQUES NEED TO BE MANDATORY NATIONWIDE. >> THAT'S NOT THE ROLE OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT IS THE ROLE OF THE INSTITUTION, PRIVATE SECTOR ENTITIES AND OTHERS MAY TAKE. >> HERE'S THE THING WE CANNOT REQUIRE SOMEONE TO BE VACCINATED. THAT IS JUST NOT WHAT WE CAN DO. IT IS A MATTER OF PRIVACY TO KNOW WHO IS AND WHO ISN'T. >> YOU DON'T WANT TO MANDATE AND FORCE ANYONE TO TAKE THE VACCINE, WE HAVE NEVER DONE THAT. YOU CAN MANDATE FOR CERTAIN GROUPS OF PEOPLE LIKE HEALTH WORKERS BUT FOR THE GENERAL POPULATION YOU CAN'T. WE DON'T WANT TO BE MANDATING FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IN THE GENERAL POPULATION IT WOULD BE UNENFORCEABLE AND APPROPRIATE. ELIZABETH: PEOPLE ARE SAYING WHAT CHANGED, WHAT CHANGE THEIR MINDS ANY YEAR'S TIME IS IT BECAUSE THE POLLS NUMBERS ARE COLLAPSING, IS IT BECAUSE THEY BOTCH THE AFGHAN EXIT, WHAT CHANGE? >> I THINK WE FOLLOW THE POLITICAL SCIENCE, NOT THE REAL SCIENCE. I'M IN A GO BACK, THIS IS THE WHOLE PROBLEM WITH YOU ADMINISTRATION, JUST TELL THE TRUTH TO BE CONSISTENT, WHAT IN GOD'S NAME IS SO DIFFICULT ABOUT DOING THAT. ELIZABETH: LISA MCLEAN, WAS TERRIFIC TO HAVE YOU
