Ben Shapiro & Tai Lopez What's Wrong With America

they're really only three things you have to do to not be permanently poor in the United States don't have kids before you get married graduate high school get a job what's the worst thing he's done the polarization of the country he's a racist I don't know that he is a racist on a personal level because I'm always hesitant it's the worst thing you can call someone American why so always hesitant to throw around that label is he great for the country to have ten million people with fifth grade education coming in or is it better for the country to have ten million people with college education coming in I always think of what Albert Einstein says the thing about smart people is they seem crazy to stupid people I got this book of the day I want to recommend to you and it's a political book and I never thought to ask you know all the time I've known you are you Republican or Democrat I can't believe I've never even wondered you know what I don't like to talk politics too much I try to stay out of that controversy you know it's a little controversial owner who's here let's go check it out maybe a neighbor coming to get some sugar oh speaking of controversy Ben Shapiro from the Ben Shapiro show one of the most listened to political commentators editor-in-chief of a daily wire and we're talking about what's wrong with America and hopefully we'll find some things that are right there's a lot right in America I don't know what you can talk about that's wrong with a miracle you're sitting there you're sitting in this house okay one of the most controversial people in history without a doubt is Donald Trump we'll get into you've told me things you like about Donald Trump and you don't but let's start out what's wrong with the current presidency well I mean first of all there's the institution of the presidency the president should not have as much power this is 200w this is turned or Obama it's 200 Trump what I would love is a situation where we wouldn't actually care who's the president all that much I would say this to people who I know who voted for Hillary and they're just really upset that Trump is president and I say well now you know how I felt when Obama was president and I hated that you know be awesome is if we didn't care who was the president because the president didn't control our lives didn't have anything to do with us basically the president sat there and made sure we weren't attacked and that was most of his job yeah I'm so I think the you know the furniture be awarded so he was like the defensive commander-in-chief exactly yeah that's that's really I think the main function of the federal government I think most of what the federal government does other than that ought to be devolved down to the state or local level I think that the president says a lot of things that he ought not say I think that the president what's the most egregious thing you've seen him say oh well I mean let's see there's the during the campaigner or as president last three years so it during during the campaign what what made me I didn't vote for Trump or Hillary Clinton what what got me off the Trump train is so to speak was when he was in that interview a chopper and tapper asked him to denounce the KKK and he pretended he didn't know what the KKK was that one to me was that that one to me was was really a great he's a racist um I don't know that he is a racist on a personal level because I'm always hesitant it's the worst thing you can call someone in American life so I'm always hesitant to throw around that label I will say that he has said things that I think are racist in the past but I think that what the media had then done is they say he's a racist that they can take a bunch of stuff he says they may not be racist right and then claim that that stuff is also racist so for example they'll say you know he said something terrible our childhoods though which is true right when he said that there were good people marching with with the with the white supremacists in Charlottesville and that's that's bad stuff but when he says for example that he wants to restrict immigration well that may not be racist that may just be his immigration policy and I think what the media do is they say he's racist therefore everything that he says must be racist and I think that that's that's an exaggeration and and unproductive not useful so now that Trump is in office has been in office is it worse or better than you expected so in some ways I think it's worse in some ways I think it's better so in terms of being conservative he's better in terms of policy no I thought so I I thought that he campaigned on in almost a political basis who's all over the place on policy didn't was he's got one very conservative he's governed a lot like a typical Republican which is fine with me but in in some ways all of the doubts that I had about his character his divisive 'no staff ID i think you look at some of the things that he says and it's hard to it's hard to say that this has been great for the country what he's saying even if I like a lot of the stuff that he's doing what do you think is the best thing he's done well I mean from a conservative perspective appointing justice Gorsuch I think was was really good tax cuts I think are really good I think the cutting regulations is really good yeah again a lot of his policy I agree with what's the worst thing he's done the polarization of the country the the comments about Charlottesville some of the comments that he just made about immigration and the problem for President Trump is that even if you think his intentions are good he's so bad about how expresses himself that you very often end up in a situation where it's a Rorschach test do you think that he's evidencing bad intentions is he saying something that's nasty right or is he just saying something that's dumb and it's being misconstrued and I don't really know and I'm not sure that sometimes he really knows and that's that's a problem one of my mentors Joel Salatin used to say they're dumb like a fox meaning they appear to be dumb they do something outrageous but then a month later a year later you realize wait a second that worked out for them do you think when Trump's accused of being dumb oh look he tweets this this isn't how you handle this do you think he's dumb like a fox or he's just literally lacking in mental acuity well I mean I wouldn't put him on the upper end of the IQ bracket I'm pretty clear about that but you don't think even though he says he's a genius you don't buy I don't think it's a stable genius I do think that he is somebody who has a sort of level understanding and reaction to things that mirrors what a lot of people to leave and that's that's where he's I think on his most solid footing people suffer gut reaction to events right and he does a good job of mirroring what those gut reactions are and the President started commenting on immigration from Africa and that's when he used those sickening heartbreaking remarks saying those send us the people that they don't want you repeated them he didn't just say it one time now if Donald Trump we don't know what he said but if he said these are countries whether I think ice read an article that it was Haiti or somewhere else do you see any truth to that there are countries that are holes I mean I'm not gonna pretend that Afghanistan is like a great place to live yeah but that's just silly I think we should all be able to grin two things one certain countries are holes - it is it is bigoted to suggest that people from those countries cannot become good American citizens right those are two separate questions in fact the vast majority of American citizens at one point or another have come from shitholes the people who are coming or during the Irish potato famine weren't exactly coming over from a place that was wonderful they're coming from a place that was pretty garbage and never coming here and making the country better the people who are my ancestors coming home from Lithuania and Russia right they're coming from places that were kind of garbage we and they're coming here and making the country better that's the problem that I have when people go crazy over he said countries it's like okay come on like you call it you call your friend's apartment a like that's not that's not really the problem here the problem is that you're saying or seem to be saying that maybe if you're coming from Haiti that you're incapable of becoming a good American citizen which is absurd of course that's crazy and stupid I think there is a read where what Trump was actually talking about is the diversity visa lottery program and what he was actually saying is if all we're looking at is the country you're coming from not you as an individual not a merit-based system but we're just gonna say you can take ten immigrants from Haiti or you can take ten immigrants from Britain which tend emigrants are more likely to assimilate to American mores right then on that level it's probably true that if you take ten immigrants from Britain they speak English already I mean they speak English in Haiti as well but but they let's take let's take Britain and Russia for example so you only get the race component right so if you're gonna take ten citizens from Britain and ten citizens from Russia you take the ones from Britain because it's easier for them to assimilate than the people from Russia that's probably true but if what he meant was I don't want to take anybody from Russia because people from Russia are crappy and that's why Russia is crappy or I want to take people from Haiti because Haiti's crappy because the people that are crappy that seems to me absurd so okay let's take this a little step further the wall you've got with this half of America is like yeah I think we should have a wall and Mexicans and other people shouldn't be able to get in very easily let's let's pretend the wall worked let's not argue variance of whether a wall actually I have a wall actually around my house and it works sometimes although a couple weeks ago a guy jumped over the wall and broke into my house and he went to jail for grand theft auto for trying to brick he got in my kitchen I was out of town and he packed himself a sandwich and he and nuts he got yeah water bottles in coconut water and he packed it in the Maserati and he was not and he opened the garage and he backed out and he couldn't figure how to open the gate and eight policemen came and you know what guns so walls don't always work but that's because I closed the wall and people don't come in so if the wall worked perfectly is there anything wrong wrong in your opinion with a wall between Mexico and the United States no I mean I think that a country has to decide who it citizens are going to be and who don't ban people who don't get to come in now on immigration I'm actually libertarian meaning if there weren't a welfare system if there weren't a question of who were voting if there were just a question of people coming here to work I don't care if you come in to work all power to you I'm perfectly libertarian in terms of free flow below you're saying if we got rid of welfare we don't have to support people you'd be like come in and the best people stay exactly I make enough money you go back to where you're from I mean that's how immigration worked at the beginning of the 20th century the year that my great-grandfather got here 1907 there I think 1.2 million people who emigrated to the United States mostly from Europe and everybody integrated it was fine right to be generation and and that's because the the if you the quality of immigration is largely dependent on the quality of the system you are immigrating to so if you're emigrating to a system where you are expected to work right there's not gonna be a handout there's not gonna be a hand up you're on your own the people who decide to leave a place where they have stuff to come to a place where they have nothing and they're offered nothing that's gonna be a very interesting group of people yeah and that's why the United States theoretically throughout history has thrived because of because the people who are leaving their countries are not necessarily representative of those countries they're people who are very often the best and the brightest most entrepreneurial exactly and they're coming here for that so you know if in my best of all possible worlds I have a completely open border and no welfare system and a at least not a federal welfare system and you know as far as voting goes you have to get you earn citizenship right you you you earn your way in basically and that would be fine with me but we have welfare we have cultural differences people come in they may expect welfare or they may expect that they're going to be taken care of by the government or they may be bringing biases from the countries they come from the culture that they live with and that's going to change the nature of the country that you live in and so that means that you as a society have to determine who's good for the country and who's bad for the country right is it great for the country to have ten million people with fifth grade education it's coming in or is it better for the country to have ten million people with college education coming in and so you have to make those those decisions and that's not a moral decision sometimes sometimes it is right you don't want criminals coming in but a lot of the time that's an economic decision are these people who are going to take out of the system or people who are going to contribute to the system yeah you know so much as I as I just go through life my advice to myself at 19 would be like most things are common sense it's like do you want to have Pablo Escobar's coming into the United States well we tried this Fidel Castro let a whole bunch of people out of Cuba in the 1980s out of prison and Miami's crime rate went through the roof instantly this one woman came with a machine gun and started shooting people in nightclub lines you ever seen that she shot a whole bunch of she was from a Cuban prison so common sense she let those kind of people crime goes up common senses and I always thought we have technology we can screen people there's massive amount of data on how to do psychological tests that wouldn't be a hundred percent accurate but would be able to find good people from everywhere in the world and let him in because common sense to me how do you build a company and this is I'll go out on a limb this is my out on a limb political theory okay we start buying people's passports and sending them to France the France doesn't like America so basically we take all that non-productive people and we say I'll give you a hundred grand and a plane ticket to France and then we find anybody anywhere in the world who's just good people and we all kind of common sense know what good people are right and we pay them and buy them a house in the United States maybe not pay him I buy them house but we buy him a ticket here because that's how you build a good company you know how Steve Jobs build a good company he found a good programmer over at Google or or at at Microsoft and he'd pay a headhunter to go poach over people like pay that guy right now they're poaching people Google and Facebook million bucks signing bonus I'm like why don't we take a book from business which is kind of common sense if you're dragging down America and you're gonna cost America a million bucks be like here's a hundred G's cash to all of our enemies whoever is your enemy so I read an interesting book and I want to switch a little bit over to race because we're talking about tribalism nothing's more troubling and so I'm somebody that's every I'm basically I did my 23andme DNA test I'm almost every ethnicity I've decided I can make fun of everybody except Asians and Middle Eastern people I'm zero percent Asian 0% Middle Eastern I'm German I'm Jewish I'm Park I'm six percent African so I got a lot of Native American so I I can I don't have to tread too lightly on this let's just be blunt about it our I think everybody who's sane agrees it has nothing to do with melanin in your skin black people Latin people have more melanin because they came from parts of the world where if you basically get vitamin D poisoning if you didn't protect yourself a lot of Sun but is it so I don't think there's anything on a DNA level a level really different between ethnicities besides some minor aesthetic things but are the cultures different in terms of is latts on my last name's Lopez our Latins holding themselves back by having by how their general cultural and worldview as far almost 6% black I'm not really that black what are black people because if we look in the inner cities my dad's from Harlem okay it's basically black people and Latin Americans for the most part or we are is my group of people are we the sewing the own seeds of our own disaster I mean if there's a disproportionate number of people in a particular group who are not succeeding for any reason one of the things that you obviously have to look at is the culture in which people are growing up and that doesn't have to do as you say with race it can have to with location right there places in Appalachia where there are bunch of white people and they're really not succeeding they're really doing poorly because there are cultural differences between Appalachia and other aspects of white America right you can do this in Los Angeles just drive to different areas with the same ethnicity and you'll see that people living in one area may differ from people in another area the question really has to do with what is the what are the cultural obstacles preventing your individual success and I think there are cultural obstacles that differ based on less race than or would be one you mentioned having kids before you marry oh that's that's an obvious one so that and that's been growing in every ethnic group right so the fact is that in 1960 20% of black kids in the United States were born out of wedlock today it's over 70 percent of black kids are born out of wedlock the single greatest intergenerational predictor of poverty is being born into single motherhood that's not suggesting that you can't succeed if you have a single single mom right so you're an obvious example but it is an obstacle that you have to overcome that you don't have to overcome if mom and dad got married and that means that you can't do anything about how you were born but you can do something that how your kid is born yeah that means that you should get married presumably before you have children again that's not unique to the black community you see in the white community the the single motherhood rate used to be five percent now it's 40 percent so it's rapidly increased that is not I think good for children I think overall and that's an obstacle that you have to overcome right I think that how do you fix it how do we this is hard you know but I this is one area where I actually don't think it is meaning that this is the the idea that you just have to get married before you put that thing there without that thing on it Yeah right like just don't do that like this if this is where it comes down to individual agency yeah I don't have unprotected sex if you're not going to get married to the person that you're having unprotected sex to like that I don't think this is too much to ask but now I understand I hold myself to a certain moral standard north Jew I was a virgin until I was married right it's it's a standard that I think worked obviously I've been married for almost ten years now I have two kids under the age of four and we're doing great but the idea that there's something preventing you society is preventing you somehow from making this very personal decision unless you were raped and had a kid right which is a horrific situation obviously but if you were just having consensual sex with someone got pregnant and had a baby then I'm not sure how that's anybody else's fault except for the two people who are involved with that situation and the only way to solve that is to have people make more responsible decisions I mean just as whose fault is it if you don't save for your retirement it's your fault if you don't save for your retirement raise your money what did you do at the money right so I think that the more we devolve agency to the individual the more we say listen make good choices you personally right forget about culture forget about you boy let Society says for you make decisions that are going to make your life better the more people will do it and the better they'll do I think it's saying that these decisions that are difficult actually does a disservice to people I don't think it's a difficult decision to interrupt you [Applause] know well thank you I'm here Ben can you look Ben Shapiro here on the show and look we're talking about politics and racism and Maya is breaking it up with your birthday Wow Wow well that was that was that was good some ways that happy birthday to you okay so this person she says I'm a single mother I don't think one could choose it even if one gets married the divorce rate is as high so what she's saying Candice Hoskins is saying you're right you should be married but half the people get married end up divorced yeah or more so it's your back to being a soon my mom was out so my mom was a single mom but she was married when I was born and then they were divorced so I ended up a single do you think divorce is just as big a problem as kids out of wedlock well I mean statistically speaking it is not but they but I think that we've also changed our definition of what marriage is for and I think that this has a serious ramification for the society I think that you know when you get married and I'll put it in sort of my traditional religious context when you get married in traditionally religious circle the whole point of getting married is the production and rearing of children it's it's less which is why arranged marriages are still a big thing in many parts of the world which is not a good thing but it is a thing and I think the reason for that is because the focus of marriage was having kids and raising the kids and now the focus of marriage has basically been the same as the focus of living together are you in love with the persons you love the persons you find our hanyan ship with the person and you can do all those things without getting married right the whole point of getting married the reason society has an interest in marriage at all is to make sure that there's a mom and a dad in the home and it's particularly true for teenage boys right teenage boys without a dad who's present all the time and I was a teenage boy boys tend to you know they tend to either create or destroy and without some sort of militating influence against what I think the left would call toxic masculinity right men tend to be it tend to lose their boundaries so yeah it's force a major problem I think it's a separate problem from single motherhood but I think that has to do with how we perceive marriage if you think of marriage this is now dating advice but I think that you know my dating advice to everybody is find out the valley if you're dating for marriage find out the values of the per in the you are dating more than common interests whether you like the same movies matters almost not at all but what does matter is do you have the same aspirations for your kids do you want to bring your kids up in the same way do what kind of community do you want to live in how do you want your life together to be and people don't even talk about these things they just sort of fall into a relationship live with someone for two years and then after two years ago I guess we probably have to get married now and then they get married and then it falls apart yeah literally on my first date with my wife this is not typical but on my first day with my wife we talked about free will and determinism yeah because the idea was what you have oh I want you to see the day with a girl in LA and I said I have to go to Miami and she goes what's that I said Miami with a city he goes I've heard of that before isn't that in Northern California and I've been married for five ago so that's a good litmus if your perspective future wife asks you about free will and determinism this is much better than if your first date goes where is a large city I've never heard of it I'm a businessman over time you do enough deals even if you do him wrong you gained some street smarts oh yeah would you say cuz it like I said I'm not super political but he's somewhat street smart I was sure to argue 100% I mean he is a genius for branding he decorated branding and he knows how his brand is going to play and that's where he's at his best when it comes to you know actually understanding policy that's a whole different game so I think that he's good at pushing the idea of Donald Trump but I think that once you get into politics and people actually expect you to deliver for them as opposed to delivering on an investment or delivery and putting your name on a hotel then people are more deeply invested on an emotional level with what you do and I think that that's something he still hasn't conquered yeah it's see it's funny it's almost like and I noticed so I want to throw out a controversial thought I have it's not super controversial but so I live with the Amish I've done many experiments in life so I live with the Amish for two and a half years when I was in my early 20s why I never became Amish I just wanted to see what the world was like a hundred years ago and they're still living they have intact families zero divorce zero basically zero crime they're happy people and one of the things they do in their church their basic we believe like Christians you know they have you can't aspire to be the the preacher or the minister so the way they do it is basically they draw lots they draw straws and so a person who could be the most humble introverted person can become almost the leader of the community do you think there's maybe an inherently flawed the methodology that we use to select presidents and Senators doesn't it draw a certain sort of narcissism a certain machiavellianism a certain hunger for power that basically half the time like you when I look who's running I'm like are these the two best choices in three hundred and thirty million person country do you think there is a problem in how we select should there be a different selection I know this is going yanker what do you think I mean I'm not sure that there's a way to necessarily avoid ambition unless you're gonna do something like the system you're talking about randomly select your leadership but I think that if we're going to be in a representative system a system where we actually vote for people the most ambitious people are gonna be the ones who run and the founding fathers were pretty clear about this when you read the Federalist Papers they were very open about the idea that ambition was going to be there this is why they suggested checks and balances in a small government nation counteracting ambition they one of the big problems now is that the government has become so big and so unwieldy and the executive branch particularly has so much power that we almost have an elected king who comes along every four years right that's a regulatory policy and nobody cares what Congress is doing like what's wins last time there was a headline about Congress it's all about what Trump is doing and what Obama was doing before that or what W is doing before that and so we tend to think of who do we want to be king and if we want somebody to be king very often that's gonna be a celebrity and somebody whose name you already know yeah and the fact is that george w bush's already a well-known name by the time that he ran in 2000 barack obama had already become well known after the 2004 convention obviously trump was incredibly well known by the time oh yeah it's been a very long time actually since we've had a president elected who was essentially a nobody until they sort of rose on the public scene it's because of the rise of just mass media it's just they call that psychologists call this the availability bias you're more likely to choose something that you've seen a lot yep so maybe it's a new problem the founding fathers didn't necessarily have to deal with that although I was reading a book about 1840s when you had you know America was in the Mexican American War and it was war heroes then exactly they were kind of the celebrities of the day yeah do you think it'd be better if we had war heroes I don't know I mean it depends on versus - hero or something like that I mean hopefully the the reason there was so many warriors because we're in a lot of wars so right and I think that the level of celebrity you're right was was really connected to your performance in a war and you're right from you know a team basically from after martin van buren all the way to lincoln you get a bunch of generals and then after the Civil War you also get a bunch of people who served in the military u.s. u.s. grant for example yeah so yes a Liberty czar has been connected with it the question is when did it start to matter because it was one thing to say okay we're gonna elect the most well-known person for president when the federal government was tiny and didn't bother you it's another thing when it's somebody who has no experience but is a celebrity and now they're running the most powerful government in the history of mankind that has the capacity to take all of your wealth and regulate you out of existence now should we elect the most qualified person or should we like the celebrity and the founders that George Washington was a celebrity in his time idea the idea the celebrity was absent from politics is not true but it didn't have as much of an impact on us because the government just wasn't big enough for it to have that much of an impact on us so here's an interesting question somebody fred says he thinks what's wrong with America too many people with the 1950's mindset now you could take that a lot of ways I don't know Fred the background but you could take that talking about racism mm-hmm you can take that 1950s a little bit of a war mongering time we're coming with Vietnam Korea transition in Vietnam do you think it's wise because I feel like we look back up the past and we become sentimental and nostalgic about those were the good old days is there a time in history in the u.s. 1776 to today that those were the good old days no I mean it I think that if if you had to choose a time to be dropped into history there's no question you choose to be dropped right now hey you little idiot let's say politically let's say you could have penicillin and you could have had about what political time do you think was the healthiest in the was it George Washington what where do you where do you think that you'd have to take it along different lines because obviously you can't say George Washington or you're saying okay to slavery right we can't say in 1950s you're saying okay to Jim Crow and women not in the workplace so what you have to do I think and this is what we tried to do in politics is to try and take the best of the past and then merge it with the best of what's going on now and so what you would say about the 1950s is yes the 1950s no one wants the racism no one wants the Jim Crow nobody wants the sexism but what we do want from the 1950s is the sense of national unity the sense of national purpose the economic growth curve the idea that we all shared a common social fabric or at least we should have right wasn't extended far enough should be extended to to minorities and women but but the idea that that America had a moral Bowl in the world and I think that's fallen away a little bit I think that we've lost our purpose as a nation and that's I think a dangerous thing I think any nation that feels that it loses its purpose you're in trouble what was best politically what would you take from 17 or 1800s and apply to today well small government I would take from the 17 or 18 hundreds I mean when that when the federal government was originally launched remember the Constitution was controversial right is why you have the Federalist Papers the Articles of Confederation were less controversial and it almost create anarchic system I like the idea of having a federal government that does nearly nothing I don't like the idea of people in Washington DC having all this power if I want to do something on a local level with you know my community that's my job but the idea that people 3,000 miles away who don't know anything about me have never heard of me don't know the names my kids those people are making those decisions that I despise I really hate that a lot yeah my mentor my first mentor Joel Salatin is he me he called himself a libertarian I don't think he necessarily wanted to vote for the last libertarian candidate but he basically said he thought it was simple he said look and I had an economics professor said the same thing any time you have a complicated problem shrink it down to a real-life situation so if you're trying to decide what restaurant you want to go eat at does it make sense to call your friend who lives in Cambodia it knows nothing about Los Angeles or do you want to call somebody who lives in Los Angeles and be like what's the best sushi restaurant so he says when it comes to curriculums of schools can we really nationalize them I mean you could play devil's advocate and say whoa what you need to learn in Missouri you need to learn here so I want to play both sides of this what are the things because with I'm kind of on your train that state local makes sense what are the things though that should be run by a federal uh national government there has to be something military you said yeah the military that's the most obvious what else nothing I mean I mean pretty much nothing I mean I think that'd be okay because I think that most of the problems that we're talking about are not solved by the federal government they're solved by individuals I mean if you're talking about local education for example let's say that you have a state or a logo thank you let's say you have a state or a local that is teaching stuff that you think is wrong well you as a parent it's your job then to presumably pick up your kids and move somewhere where it's better it shouldn't be a top-down structure it should be I don't like it here I'm moving or my friends and I are forming our own school right the idea is that the real truth is that educational failures you know statistically speaking tend less to be about the educational system than they tend to be about the presence of parents and home how much focus the family's putting on education which is why you see certain immigrant groups really outperforming right on how these immigrant groups treat education so Korean populations coming to the United States it's been an awful lot of time focusing on education the Jewish population when first came to the United States it's really fascinating when you look at the IQ studies when when European Jews first came to the United States they scored significantly lower on IQ tests than the rest of the general population and within a generation they were scoring standard deviation higher which shows number-one malleability of IQ but second of all it's because European Jews actually cared a lot about learning and education and growth that way the point is that the decisions that you make on a daily basis are the ones that are going to change your life and looking the federal government to fix your problems it's not only rarely a solution it's usually more of a problem they're taking power from you supposedly to help you you're better off in my view keeping that power to yourself if you can get it localism I think is more of a solution than the now government stepping it look there are federal rights they have to be protected so for example the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution suggests that due process of law and equal protection of the laws is something that has to be protected by the federal governments of the state decides we're just not gonna let black people vote right then the federal government has to come in and solve it and obviously under the Constitution but the those roles are incredibly limited and I think that the stuff the federal government does now I mean they're regulating how much water goes through your toilet yeah I mean it's crazy I talk a lot about what's wrong with the education system and one of the things that I think is wrong with the education system I do I'm interested in crypto currencies but also the blockchain which is really a tool to decentralize things and Joel Salatin my first mentor said we have the same education system if you got a time machine went back to pre Germany Otto von Bismarck late 1800s they were teaching a system that created robots and created soldiers and that's what they wanted people who obey everything else has gotten better you don't travel by steam engine anymore you don't put leeches on your body if you're sick we have an Estill and we have all but we have it if you go in the classroom it's basically hasn't changed and part of the problem Joel Salatin told me is a few bureaucrats in Washington DC decide what you need to learn well do we need to only learn what the hypotenuse of a triangle is in the year 2018 what about learning how to use Excel learning how to buy a house what do you what's your take on education or what what's wrong in America so I think that the biggest thing that's wrong with education I agree is a certain level of centralized control yeah I skipped a couple of grades when I was growing up because the system couldn't handle me being in a particular grade so I had to end around the system and it was only because I had a principal who didn't care about ending around the system I was able to do that was in public school when I was in third grade and she said you're you're beyond this skip third grade but we had to game the system basically in order to do that yeah I think that as the there's no reason why education has to be done the way that it's done I mean everything is so decentralized now we should be able to personalize educational programs to nearly every kid now you don't necessarily have to go in kids 5 kid 5 you stuff to learn how to read he's a very basic arithmetic but by the time the kids 11 or 12 years old the idea that everybody has to be learning exactly the same thing is really stupid and then the idea that everybody has to go to college regardless of what your major is is also incredibly stupid right like my wife had to go to college because she's a doctor so she was actually studying actual things in college right I had a Poli Sci major at UCLA I taught me I couldn't gone straight to Harvard Law School and studied law like I needed those four years of learning nonsense and poli-sci and just going into debt in order to do that like that that the idea that so would in hindsight would you have skipped right and gone straight to law school I mean frankly I think that the I think that law school should be skipped you should go straight to an apprenticeship I think yeah and that actually is the way people used to get jobs I mean you know once once you have a job though the way people do their jobs they actually go and they work at a job for a year and that's how you good at the job yeah no one is qualified coming out of college for anything right I mean you're I agree with you pretty much useless coming kind of college yes so far I have all the people I've hired in over ten decade plus never hired someone competent on day one he's ever exam and I wasn't competent on day one humans learn I just read an interesting piece of research it says you know one of the problems in schools is you're primarily being taught by what they call the tutorial method like somebody preaching at you Matt and they said what people learn better through is some mixture of kinesthetic learning and kind of case studies so like bringing it like you said personalized down to that students learning methodology not just preaching at them and any the way we do it fascinatingly enough is only 15% of people learn the way that all school classrooms are set up right now so we're basically doing something that we know fails for 85% of people yet mind boy I mean I think in what you are saying originally is exactly right if you look at how the educational system was structured was structure to make workers for factories yes sure to make workers for particular businesses and that's not what we're into anymore I mean I've since I graduated from law school from 2007 to 2008 eeen I've been in six seven different jobs right the the days when you were you were at one job forever are just gone yeah my grandparents working at at a place for 50 years no one's ever gonna walk in a place for 50 years first of all the company that you're adding can be around for 50 years no matically hood right the turnover on the fortune 500 is incredibly high yeah so you better be constantly increasing your skillset and learning new skills and I mean you're great about this but I mean learning is a lifelong process and if you're not deepening that then you become useless in the marketplace pretty quickly so let's let's talk about we've talked about politics let's just talk about ben shapiro the human forget debate of that yeah well i always think of what Albert Einstein said the thing about smart people is they seem crazy to stupid people so you can sometimes you say what like let's take us back so you grew up where your parents Orthodox so my whole family that came Orthodox when I was 11 okay I do remember reading it like Kentucky Fried Chicken and really yes oh yeah so they were Jewish but just kind of more secular in the name and then they sort of moved toward that change so my parents went to a congregation down and actually in Venice Beach okay and my dad was always sort of connected to the Jewish heritage and I think because he was connected to Jewish heritage he became more interested in Jewish lifestyles he was brought into the synagogue and started practicing Sabbath with my mom and and it sort of grew from there so it's religious convert not conversion moving toward religion very often is experiential more than intellectual for people in my dad it's probably true for my parents yeah so now you grow you've grown up went to school did kind of the college thing now you're an entrepreneur you've got you know your shows whatever let's talk about business what do you learned in business what's your what's the number one thing if you could go back when did you really start in terms of the business of talking about politics how long oh I mean I've been writing about politics as a pundit since I was seventeen so I mean so literally now half my life yeah I've been doing this but as far as ten running businesses and and all of that last five years basic so if you could go back right now a time machine we're back at 2013 what are you gonna tell younger Ben about running a business profitably what's biggest mistakes you're like do not do this I think forcing it I mean really I think that the business opportunities tend to present themselves and when they do it's a short window so you have to jump on them but very often what I would do I know from personal experience I would have an idea and I'd be like you know what this is a great idea and I wouldn't do necessarily proper market research I wouldn't actually you know think through all of the various angle times be okay let's do it let's do it because now I'm gonna make my money we're gonna go and we're gonna do it and force force this through and very rarely does it work that way usually it's an opportunity that opens and you just take advantage of the opportunity that's in front of you yeah and I think that's most of life actually is the opportunity comes along you have to be able to spot it when it comes but most of us are so made for a long time most of us are so focused on what we want from the universe that we fail to recognize when the universe is presenting something to us yeah and I think that if you just leave yourself sort of open to the opportunities that come along then you jump on the opportunities that do you're likely to do a lot better like the business that we started a daily wire that only came about because my business partner Jeremy boring and I were both fired from from a 501c3 so being hired was the one of the good days of your life that oh yeah I mean I and I have a rule in my family I buy a house I get a mortgage and then I quit a job so we're gonna have we weren't fired so I was at some bottle heart attack I know she'd been through it two or three times by that point so she was been going through the cycle exactly but because of that we have proposed a business idea to this 501c3 and they rejected it and we said okay fine were out and then we took that business idea around in the marketplace found some investors and in two years have built a website that has a hundred million page views a month in it yeah and I knocked her out a hundred million yeah Wow congratulation and that I would say we spoke on the bad of America but that's the best of America because I've traveled around the world and no place that I've been is as entrepreneurial in terms of people I meet that just go okay I failed here pick myself up and start again like other countries like in Europe for example bankruptcy is like a if you just like a scarlet letter if you don't want in America it's almost a badge of honor to be able to say bankrupt huh and that's some of the good things about America don't you wish there is what I wish if I have this machine if you anybody here can design this machine please let me know I will invest all my money in it I'm gonna it's called the combined ER and it combines the greatest so let's say you want to marry somebody you remember being on a date with Suzy Jennifer and Holly you take the best out of all three of them this one has the best personality this one you liked how they looked this one was the nicest and you put them merge them into one humans we also need that for countries because there's traveling around the world I love America I was born here and I feel patriotic but once a while I go to certain countries and I was like I wish we had that in America hmm so it's like I'm hoping that even though I think mass media in some ways is the death of the world it also has this light in that we now learn what they're doing in Scotland and in manchuria or whatever you know I mean there is that kind of thing what would you combined from outside of the United States what what's another country that you go yes we need some of that here well I mean just because I'm not as familiar with a lot of the countries as you are I would say the the Israeli educational system is quite good okay I'm one of the things they do is they track people once you hit 18 the ones he hits 16 or 17 they say what do you want to do and if you're an engineering track they put you an engineering track you're not going and studying general theory at college right now you're already you're already moving along those lines and I think that that is a really good thing yeah I think that there's a certain sense of citizenry that exists in you know certain countries I feel like again I'll use Israel as an example there's a sense of citizenry in the country that people feel like they owe something to the country that I think that's not a bad thing that I think that's because Israel is constantly under danger and the United States is not under fire ever so we sort of feel like okay we live here this is where we are but what we over the country that's not really in evidence here I think quite as much but you know listen I think that America is on by most measures the best thing going I think there's certain aspects of how government is done in other places that like for example I'm not a big fan of the jury system I think that really yeah I think the European criminal justice system where you actually have a judge who's a professional judge who sits there and and it's not necessarily a system where you have a prosecutor and the defense lawyer it's actually just the court trying to get to the truth I'm not sure that's that's a war system yeah and then our jury system for example but I mean overall we're the most powerful country in the history of the planet for a lot of very good reasons I think yeah last question cuz I know you got to go to your birthday party and I might have your mortal enemy on after you're gone Knowles is here we'll see I might have a surprise design I did miss a party besides birthday cake North Korea we're gonna end on a light note I like to end on a very light note let's talk about North Korea and nuclear devastation of planet Earth do you think there's a chance it's first of all it's Trump handling it correctly and is this something we need to be worried about or is it just like the Hawaiian text alert yesterday that's a false alarm so I think you know I tend be more sanguine about this than a lot of other people I know a lot of people are panicking about about North Korea first of all I don't think that the leadership in North Korea is thinking Oh Trump tweeted something I'm in a new gely okay if I thought that I'd sold my house a while ago and moved into the in country right I've moved into Iowa away from the coast but the idea that look the Kim family wants to maintain power that's pretty much what they want out of life this we know and they also know that the minute they fire a new kid anybody we are going to wipe out their entire country I mean they will not only lose their power base the entire country will be basically be a sea of glass and it'll be over for them so the real danger I think is not that the real danger is their capacity to maintain power over the long haul and keep the other Gulag going that's that's but that's an injured their own people as far as them imposing a serious danger to outside countries only if the regime thinks it's gonna fall maybe they fire into Seoul but as far as a direct threat to the United States mainland I'm less worried about that because again they know that that is that's the death certificate for them I mean the minute that they fight so you think he's logically obviously somewhat crazy kim jongmin but you think he's logical enough to be able to go at an animal level me press this button me die yeah that's right yeah I think that's right okay yeah he's I mean he's crazy but I don't think that he's I think that part of his strategy is to appear crazy frankly every time he appears crazy we give him something yeah so if you I mean this what his dad did and his grandfather did so because he dumb like a fox I think he's crazy like a fox and crazy like a lot I've met a few people like that okay so here's the deal I brought a on your I brought not only a birthday present cake for you but a birthday present you want to come around this way I brought your favorite friend here to close up the show no no no birthday no no for your birthday I brought on your least favorite person on the planet Michel Lila hey what's up guys so I heard there was cake I heard there was cake for Ben's birthday and basically my whole strategy in life is for Ben to have a birthday and for me to come eat some cake yeah there's a koi pond right behind you dude it's like a James Bond lair so I'm gonna be eaten by koi fish alright we might have to separate you security security are they gonna take him they might have to separate you towards people gonna end up killing my fish those fish have been in there for years all right where can people find you this bully's this is one of your best-selling books that is yet what's the best place for those who don't know you so check us out over at daily wire comm and you can buy a subscription over there and if you want to check out the podcast and all the usual places get podcast iTunes SoundCloud and we're also on YouTube of course so go over there and subscribe those are those are the best places I would think also Twitter follow me at bench if I'm pretty active over there happy birthday I appreciate it thank you we're gonna cut the show Lots for those of you we didn't get any questions somebody said his name is Michael Knowles somebody said guys they're actually friends thank you for seeing the satire through it i'ma walk them out and then I'll be back thanks everybody we didn't get your opinion sorry go on go on his YouTube and comment say bed love your show with ty dog easy [Music] you [Music] you

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Length: 47min 31sec (2851 seconds)

Published: Wed Jan 24 2018