Ben Shapiro SHREDS Pro-Choice Argument | UBCFSC Talk

Happy Halloween Ben. Thank you. So I have an issue with your stance on abortion. OK. So you defined life as starting at conception through biology. Right. Pretty much. But I think you take the stance that life is intrinsically valuable because it's life and that's where I disagree. I think there's two things that make life valuable. I think consciousness the ability to experience pain senses and stuff like that and personal identity in particular psychological continuity identity. So the fact that we have memories we have relationship to both relationships to us. Do you mean both of those or either or? I just want to clarify your position. 24 00:00:38,193 --> 00:00:38,192 Either or. Okay So it's either or then people with Alzheimer's have real continuity problems you can't kill them. No because people still have relationships with them. Right. So I just want. I mean you have a relationship with them but with people the advanced age Alzheimer's they really don't have relationships. Ok, but for the sake of example like let's say someone dies right. The family gets to decide what you do with the body because I know you say when you say someone says oh it's consciousness and then they're brain dead you say well can you stop them. No you can't because that's the family's decision what to do with the body It's a person's decision what they want. So if the family decides to stab them it's okay to stab the person? when they're brain dead? Yeah they want to. No not not not brain dead. Let's say that you're comatose for a for a specifically and predictably short period of time say nine months. What is the birth person. So. I would say on the legal grounds would depend if the person put it in the will if the person has made clear statements like " Hey don't pull the plug on nine months" then don't do that because I think the first choice is right. Let's say the person has not made such clear statements in person can't make such clear statements. So that he's just in a complete coma? Let's say the person has not drawn up living will or have had conversations like this, they are in a car crash I know that nine months they're going to come out of the coma and they're going to be fine. Are you allowed to stab and wait for these nine months to stab the dude. They're going to get their memories back? Let's say they don't get the memories back. I would say that that person is dead and if the family wants to pull the plug that's fine. I'd have no problem with that. Yeah I would have no problem with that. Because I don't like that like that person and again. You're getting into some dicey territory dude. I think that person is dead. Right. And that's the best way to define life his personal identity and consciousness. That's what makes life so valuable. So I think that again if you were to say both that's too much and if you would even say either I don't think either one of those like stands on its own because what you really mean that this is a thing about having a baby. It's a process of development and this is the point that I'm making. There's a period in this human life when that child does not have or fetus or embryo whatever you call it when this living thing does not have consciousness and does not have a sense of identity but in nine months it will have consciousness. babies don't have a sense of identity for at least certain number of months after they're born The babies can recognize their parents as voices after they're borh. That's not a sense of identity. Rats can do that. What I say it is because they know it's a form of memory though. Are you a Jainist? Because animals also have a conscience. Yes. I would say that killing animals is wrong. You have no problem with that. So just to get the straight. Killing Fluffy the hamster. Deeply wrong. Killing a dude who wakes up from a coma, who is going to wake up from a coma in nine months with memory problems. Totally cool. OK. I mean that's fine. You can have that position I'm just not gonna put you in charge of the NHS.

Channel: The Free Speech Club

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Id: ZF3cUjl2WG0

Length: 3min 51sec (231 seconds)

Published: Thu Nov 15 2018

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[u/spudster999]

I thought UBC FSC was supposed to be non-partisan. What is with these clickbait headlines?

[u/FLABREZU]

The guy had a pretty absurd argument and wasn't ready for the most obvious counter, but Ben Shapiro had a pretty bad initial reaction to it as well. He specifically asks if someone needs both consciousness and personal identity, or if it's an either/or situation, and when the guy clarifies that it's an either/or, he brings up people with Alzheimer's. Pretty sure that people with Alzheimer's have consciousness and can experience pain. For some reason the guy doesn't bring this up and starts going on about their family's relationship to them. Pretty dumb.

[u/wee_woo_police]

Poor guy, Ben is a very dominant debator because he frames your argument in such a way that diminishes it, and also attacks every point/slip up.

[u/Vandrewver]

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