BELEW - VAI - LEVIN - CAREY | The greatest band in the world right now?

hello and welcome to this video my social networks are full with the news that there is a new super group in town uh by the name of beat and uh this band beat comprises of uh four absolute Legends of progressive rock music um it features Adrian Belo on guitar and vocals Steve V on guitar Danny KY from tall on drums and the legendary Tony leban on place this band has been put together to play the music of the band King Crimson specifically the three albums that came out between 1981 and 1984 that are behind me at the moment namely discipline beat and three of a perfect pair obviously King Crimson is the brainchild of Robert Frip Robert Frip has seemed to gain a purchase biz hary in the online world of social networks and memes and viral videos with um a set of videos that he's uh created with his wife uh Toya Wilcox that have become viral uh this seems to have elevated in the uh mind of the general public the idea of who Robert Frip is and of King Crimson it's a very strange thing that's happened uh Robert FRP seems to have moved into the same territory at least here in the UK that Rick wakan uh uh exists in a progressive rock musician that has crossed over to being a sort of um mainstream celebrity this is very interesting on April the 1st this is being filmed on April the 3D on April the 1st um Robert frit announced uh his only only funds um page which was very exciting but I I must admit that news was eclipsed for me by the idea that Adrian beloo and Tony lean were're going to get back together and go out and play this stuff now it seems Robert F had no intention of going out to do this but he has blessed the project uh which I think has put audas and cash onto this project uh which has really made people think like well this is the next sort of bit of King Crimson and what's very interesting is um much like the last iteration of King Crimson the three drummer lineup which was sort of exploring the the the uh the period in between in the court the Crimson King and the bill bruford John weton period the the period that created lizard and animals you know there's a slight Focus onto that stuff more uh and I think um for crimson's fan that's the least interesting for um progressive rock fans and crimson's fans I think people love the John wet and Bill bruford um era they obviously lot love in the court of the rson King but and this is the sort of Secret of this all there is so many people out there that love these three albums and I think the love for these three albums is wider perhaps than the rest of the King Crimson catalog so this has been met with interest on this video I want to explore this idea of putting this band together I want to talk through these three albums and how they came to be made why I think they're so important um and and why the likes of Steve VI and Danny Danny KY want to um come in a band like this and play this type of stuff but also I want to explore the idea which occurred to me when I saw the announcement I looked at that and I went well that's one hell of a lineup and you start to see there's all other um cross references with this lineup of musicians it's almost like a logical lineup to put together and it it it covers a lot of areas it covers a lot of different fan bases it pulls together a lot of influences into one band and also the talent level of this band is incredible um we're not just talking about virtuosa musicians we're talking about um three incredibly creative musicians in their own right coming together under the sort of um vision of Robert Frip um all incredibly respectful of Robert Frip and what he's achieved musically and uh looking at these three players and I I got to ad some like Steve I coming in that's a legend so um it's it's interesting that um having Steve vicom in you'd think he would eclipse the project but he doesn't such is the influence and Legacy that these four legendary musicians do not Eclipse their influence and memories absolutely incredible thing so um shall we start at the beginning and have a look at these three albums that are behind me um so King crims were formed in 1969 um at that point Robert was not the de facto Leader of the Band it was a collective of musicians featuring Future you know progressive rock Legends such as um uh Greg Lake and uh they come out with this album in 1969 in the court of the Crimson King and if there's one album that ushers in the progressive rock era it is that album so King Crimson um hold a special place uh infighting starts up and by the time they get to the second album the whole band has fallen apart Robert Frip takes over and he goes through a number of lineups doing very interesting stuff until in 1973 he pulls together a new lineup which I think is very interesting because this new lineup features bill bruford on drums John weton on um bass focals uh David Cross on violin and um uh Jamie mure on percussion this is a band that seems to be looking at progressive rock in 1972 and realizing that it must change and Frip moves forward into something which is much harsher much more industrial he moves away from the sort of English Whimsy and goes towards a sort of Darker heavier sound you know almost coming out of bands like Black Sabbath and even sort of modern classical music um I believe that Frip at this point is a Visionary moving forward he's a very Visionary musician um by 1974 he then uh exits the music business and he joins a retreat um run by um JG Bennett um teaching um a sort of spiritual uh way of um being coming out of the uh Mystic GF in 1977 he reemerges moves over to New York and he Eng graci ingratiates himself into the uh New York uh New Wave Music Scene working with the lies of Blondie Talking Heads and appearing most famously with David Bowie on Heroes um he is exploring new ideas and Frip as a genius have been able to play stuff which is undoubtedly progressive rock but taking in the new cultural forms um by the early 80s he's formed a band which is very new way influenced called the league of gentlemen anybody who's a fan of the albums behind me now should go and check out League of gentlemen because the aesthetic that we hear on these albums is on that album the big difference being is that the musicians in the league of gentlemen were much more New Wave based musicians I think F realized that the aesthetic was there but the virtuosity wasn't there and he needed to form another band that actually had the virtuosity and musical um Vision Vision to be able to fulfill what he had in mind and he seems to have something mind and he forms a band in 1981 called discipline uh which features Adria Bell um Tony Levin and Bill bruford now the inclusion of Bill bruford into the band who was obviously was in the lineup of King Crimson before made this seem like an extension of King Crimson we've got two members of King Crimson AJ beloo who found his Fame playing with Frank Zappa most notably and then from Zappa went on to play with David Bowie and Talking Heads seems to straddle that um space between New Wave experimental songwriter stuff and progressive rock Adrian beloo is an incredible musician uh which is a is key I think to this band a an amazing guitar player but a guitar playing player exploring the outer limits of guitar much like Frip himself he is not a virtuoso in the standard sense of guitar he doesn't play fast but what he does is he he explores the guitar as um as a synthesizer of a creator of new sounds you know that aesthetic that Hendrick's brought in he explores further it's something I think that has gone from guitar play now everybody has the same tone same time same vibrat beloo was a genius at this and I remember when I first heard him I was like what is this H what's going on guitar he's also an incredible songwriter rooted in standard songwriting The Beatles Motown all that type of stuff an absolutely incredible singer incredible singer now um I'm going to have to refer to this um Rick Bato you know the Lord and Master Of Music YouTubers um is in there straight away he's got the interview with them and on that interview it's very interesting that adri beloo said when he came into this group which eventually gets rebranded as King Crimson um he is very respect F of the aesthetic of King Crimson although himself he was much more I suppose um a a songwriter which had much more Whimsy in him America Whimsy but Whimsy nonetheless I think the American take from the Beatles this is why I have put two of his solo albums that came out at a similar time because for me who loves this lineup those two albums are also included in there for me which is um lone Rhino and twang bar King if you do like this lineup go and check check out the much more wisal and light version of these three three Crimson albums um they go into the studio and they record the first album called discipline remember that was going to be the original name for the group it's the red album behind me and I'm sure I'm putting up a nice clean graphic of it right now um this album came in with an aesthetic taken from the league of gentlemen and it pulls a number of things together and what they achieve on this album I think is something very very important to Progressive music and by that I mean true Progressive music these three albums more than any albums in the 80s show the way forth for you know musicians and creators who are interested in the more esoteric areas of rock music which is what I think fundamentally progressive rock is as opposed to Prague um I am of that era you know so I was a little bit too young to you know get the first album the red one uh but I heard them when beat came out um there was um uh Con on the TV around that time and then the BBC had a documentary uh which came out coinciding with three of a perfect pair the first one I bought was actually discipline and I bought them in order um so I know what that was like I know it's was like to be a young kid listening to yes and Genesis and the marish knra and not so much interested in the pop music of of that of that time so I was alienated for my friends because I was interested much more in musicianship and drumming and guitar playing and how that all worked and uh when these albums came out it was like Frip had created a new way of integrating that into the aesthetic of modern music the influences he was pulling from very interesting New Wave Music of course there's a sound that's coming from the Beatles uh sorry coming from the police that sort of chusy arpeggiated sounds in there um the sort of grinding heavy metal Black Sabbath nness has gone but there's an influence coming in from even more so free jazz I think in some places but um free jazz put through incredible processing of the instruments um both Frip and Adrian B using guitar syns and heavy effects and the good two guitars together sort of M as one so there's not this idea of the lead guitarist there's two guitarists and you and and you're not quite sure what his guitar um Tony Lin who I haven't discussed Tony Levin um is a product of the Jazz Rock era emerging onto the recording music scene in around about 1969 with Chuck mangion um he was a peer of Steve Gad and a lot of the first albums he played on with Steve Gad he spent some time in the Buddy Rich bands he was he was considered as the Basse player for the Mavish exra Tony Levan is a product of the sort of um us jazz fusion scene but he doesn't have that aesthetic there's something else going on now he could play upright base he could play jazz walking upright base but he moves towards um David Bowie and then eventually Peter Gabriel and he's exploring these areas as well so Tony Levan is like the perfect base player by the time he comes to King KMS in the early 80s he's playing bass and Chapman Stick by the third album he's been playing bass Chapman Stick and um like a little moo Bas thing so he's he's looking at the Bas end in a very interesting way and with the Chapman Stick also having strings that are in the guitar range uh this band actually ends up being a drummer with almost like three guitar players you know so when you listen to the very first song on this uh album where is it that one now I got it there there on a discipline elephant talk and it starts up and we here the sort of bass and guitar together that's all Chapman Stick that's that's um all Tony Lan bill bruford has also reinvented the drum kit um Frip forbade him from having a high hat so there's no high hat to keep time now this is very interesting because if we look at the history of drumming the drumming first um emerges with time being kept on the snare drum you think about it logically the snare drum is placed in front of you and that is where you would keep time up until that point you know the drums have been using sort of military marching music and you keep time in that way you keep time on the drums um in the early 30s Joe Jones in the C bayy band transferred the timekeeping from the snare drum to the high hats the high hats were invented in 1925 this is this is probably probably something like seven years before Joe Jones did anything like this uh and the high hats been able to be kept closed because originally the high hats are just invented so that you can sort of do like the thing of a clash symbol so drum kit is an emulation of a marching band so you got a bass drum a snare drum and then the person clashing the symbols and there the three basic elements of a drum kit the drum kit is like a nuclear reactor for music because it allows a drummer to do all three things at once which means you can now have a band much smaller band to play this type of music um and um it means that the drummer can then explore coordination anyone who's learned the drums will know it is a problem of coordination whereas learning just snare drum is not I'm giving you little bit of a lesson in drum history because it's very interesting because if we take the Joe Jones era and then run all the way up until the 198s all drummers are keeping time on the hole on the high hats um the bbop drummers transfer it over to the ride symbol but they also keep time on the high hats um by the 1950s rock and roll musicians Soul musicians you know the John bonom the EMP pce the old Palmer the AL Jacksons you know the Clyde stubble Fields everyone is keep keeping um uh time on the high hats in the early 80s Stuart Copeland comes out and he is one of the very few drumers that changes the sound of the drums and this is going on at the same time but still Copeland is keeping um time on the highs all be it in a very new and interesting way bill for Bill bruer comes out and for the first time there's no high hats now I got to say Keith Moon didn't play high hats and there are you know Kate Bush and Peter Gabriel albums around this time which had no symbols at all so this was a bit of a thing but uh um I can't really think of a drummer that that goes through um three albums in this way creating drum beats with no high hats so he's having to create the time the back beats on the snare but the time is being held on OCTA bands it's being held on rotat Toms it's being held on Toms and sounds and percussion and most importantly electric percussion um Bruin's embraced the Simmons drum kit the first electric drum kit that could really do anything and so what we're hearing is we're hearing the rock band we're hearing the rock no keyboards there it's a guitar based band it's the same lineup as ACDC it's base two guitars and a drummer with a singer and yet every aspect has been has been um Twisted this band sounds absolutely unique um bill bruford um is pulling influences from African music music uh which you didn't hear him do so much in the 1970s um so there s of African drum choir sound to this band also um Frip is is bringing in influences from gamalon and I feel most importantly from minimalism especially Steve R um the minimalist composers which emerged in the late 50s um early 60s people like Terry Riley Lamonte young and then um Philip Glass um Steve Rice were exploring ways to create complexity and by complexity all we mean is um a Cadence Music has to have a Cadence we have to to be drawn into music it's got to start in a place of home it's got to move out into a place of sort of tension and then return back home and in Western classical music and Western European music that's on the whole is is um created through a Cadence which is going from the home chord out to a dominant chord which creates tension a Cadence is what you hear when you hear someone sing amen amen and there's a resolution there this is out hovering around all these other notes and then here it in the tonic and that is the Cadence on which music is built the minimalists were interested in trying to play repetitive uh patterns which are pulling from Indian classical music from gamalon from African music but how do you create the Cadence now Steve Ro created cadences by taking two patterns exactly the same put them on top of each other but he would phase them and this means they would go like that then they would shift then they would shift and then they would shift and as they shifted it creates a tension because you start to feel it getting more and more out and out and eventually it would Circle all the way around like this until it eventually came back in this could take with certain patterns up to half an hour uh it's a fascinating thing and um a lot of people think minimalist is difficult music to listen to It's only difficult that you have to you have to suspend your attention it's hypnotic but if you can get into that state of mind it's an incredible experience which is unlike listening to sort of Western European music um it's a a lot more about um Revelation and being outside yourself rather than being inside yourself making the great statement beeo and mo they're making the great statement if you're involved in a gamalon you're involved in a community now if we think of what Frip had gone through with GFF and uh JG Bennett and that thing of um uh of doing the work as it was called which it's repetitive movements to create Focus um within you this is the ggest c a part of it don't want to get into uh GF and Frip although I have done a video on that already if you want to check that out so he's looking at this idea of being within a group of subsuming into the group Frip is now you know sat um on a chair looking very un rock and roll with just a single Spotlight on his head he's subsumed into the group he's working on this league of crafty guitar players where you were inside this Ensemble and he he wants the thing to work as a whole this seems to have never been said about this group but he wants the whole thing to work as a whole so it's a lot more democratic it's a lot more um uh what's the word it it it it is without the uh niichan um will to be of rock and roll you know Jim Morrison stood on the mountain HRI burning his guitar that thing of rock and roll I think um frpp has identified that the Punk and New Wave musicians are moving away from that uh especially bands like dvo and craftwork they're all exploring these ideas and he wants the band to the four personalities to be there but he wants it to to basically for there to be no show boating and this is a feeling that I have got when I've listened to minimalism you get lost in it right you get lost in it if you realize you're a speck in the universe there's always two ways of seeing yourself you know it's either it's it's this is my world you know and uh it is I'm in the middle of it I'm at the center of the universe that's one way we see the world then the other one is is the sort of Carl Sagan pale blue dot is that I'm a speck on a speck in a universe with uh on a Galaxy of a billion galaxies and all that type of stuff billions and billions and billions as Frank zapper parodied in um the track B in my video which was a parody of um David Bowie's um I'm not too sure definitely the L dance album and a reason why he was having to go at David Bowie is because he got upset when Adrien Belo left his ban to join David Bowie and so I managed to go around a full circle there and bring us back to the thing cuz I was going off on a lot of esoteric stuff then wasn't I so yeah so um within that band everyone's like a little Cog in the machine it's like a little Clockwork C Cog in the machine if someone does take a solo that that solo is placed in the composition in a certain way there's certain points which is completely free improvised but it's Collective improvisation when somebody is soloing you can't tell who it is right and they exploring um the nature of solos on the interview that Rick Bata did um uh uh Adrian Belo said the guitar solos on um uh beat on the track the howler is actually just the guitar lent up against the room and it's just feedbacking and making all these random sounds so so these Aesthetics which I think are based upon um having your place in the universe it's against the idea of the individual it's a much more mindful approach to rock and roll and I think fundamentally that's the aesthetic which is being explored on these albums albums um AJ Bello comes in very respectful of the um Legacy of King Crimson and on the first album um it's it is all very Arch and sort of um postmodern and all the things you would expect King Crimson to be um so if I just grab it and I'll just take you through the tracks on here on this one um starts off with elephant talk and this is like a sort of Enos esque random approach to creating lyrics you know coming from William Burrows where um they just come up with all sorts of different words for talking in a row it's just a it's just a stream of different words that mean talking and then they say elephant talk and then Adrian Bello does that incredible elephant sound on his guitar frame by frame is is probably on this album the most um it's the track that really pushes progressive rock further Ford this is a song I cannot think of anything that goes before in the King Crimson catalog which is a song like this song this is a beautiful ballad with a hook um and within that if you listen to the interlocking guitar pox which are in seven uh it's such a challenge to play it's it's doing what this album does 100% but it's also doing it within this song mate kundai is a is a sort of African element that seems to relate to the TR talking drum off Lo T in aspic and then IND discipline is this sort of weird um beat poet um stream of Consciousness stroke free jazz track it's incredible uh um te turn it over you get fahan jingi which is again exploring this sort of gamon African tribal sound we then have a Shel the shelter scar which is a very beautiful tune and then it finishes up with discipline and discipline is probably the track that Hawks back closest to what King Crimson were doing before but it's much more about these complex interlocking patterns um this album I've always felt it's it's everyone seems to be everyone's favorite it's their favorite because it's the shock of this coming out everyone got this oh my God this is incredible and then and then the expectations are up for these um at this time the band is going out and touring they've only really got this Al's material to go on so they're very Qui quickly working on new material and exploring the ideas of this album right when I put this back here it's going to fall over cuz it took me ages balancing uh these albums it's true sort of good Jeffy and task for me for this video right so this album comes out pretty soon I think this is 1982 so year later we've got this album and this album seems to take uh what's on the first album and it just opens it out now if I was doing an objective um assessments at this album I will put that one at number one if I was say which my which one is my favorite King crims album it is this one because this one goes further than that one right um I can remember when I bought this the opening track Neil and Jack and me so that's either obviously Neil Cassidy and Jack kowak we've got this sort of beat poet thing coming in again was just so catchy heartbeat is a pop song right and I think that is possibly why people um the prog has found this album a bit too much maybe cuz to have AJ Bel going I want to feel your heartbeat heartbeat so close it feels like m i mean this is a pop song really waiting man is like a sort of Steve Rice pop song um soran chandi that's like an instrumental track but what happens is that when you turn it over neurotica the howler and requim this is taking the stuff they would do the more abstract stuff and pushing it to the max so we start to see this like s almost like dialectic split SL slightly but on side two we also have two hands which is a very touching ballad what's interesting here is Adrian Blue's respect of the legacy of King Crimson has softened on all those Motown and Beatles influences are starting to creep in and I find that more interesting to hear on this album um so if you're interested in exploring this do not you know um gloss over this album you know although it's very glossy you can see it's it's reflected my ring light immensely I absolutely love this album um neurotica which paints a picture of going into say New York a very busy town and it's very stream of conscious very free jazz um it's doing what the track in discipline does but in a way which is absolutely like taking it and opening it out you know um I don't want to just keep going on about this album because they then go off on tour and they go around the world for a long time and now got two albums worth of material um that secures the fame of this band this is a this is a a giging band of that time you know they're doing very good gigs they're going all over the place spreading the word of this sound it fits directly into the Zeitgeist that's going on in popular music at the time I'm seeing them on the television you know they they don't quite cross over into sort of MTV area like Asia did uh which is a very interesting band to compare because they sort of emerg at the same time so you got John weton going down the sort of AO Rock route and think but Frip just being able to Traverse this thing that is very interesting obviously with the right push I think some of these records could have been hit records um anyway um after two years of touring they come back in to do the third album now it's quite obvious that Frip had a vision for this group and it was to create three albums three albums with primary colors on their cover so you think of them as the red the blue and the yellow right um red and blue and yellow are primary colors that we see the world in but if we put them all together we get the whole Spectrum we get white and light could be seen as order and darkness could be seen as chaos so what we have here are three elements of a way of looking at the world and when that's done it's done right the dialectic you know or um the law of three that I've spoken about so much on this channel now the law of three is contained within the esoteric esoteric teachings of GF everything you see around you is the law of three right so um it's it's the way to explain it in the most simple terms would it be affirming denying consolidating it's it's like in the dialectic it would be uh the is uh antithesis synthesis in in Christianity it would be the Father the Son the Holy Ghost and think about that order the Father the Son the antithesis the Holy Ghost the all encompassing garet in everything and everywhere right um it also could be called the monad now this the thing about King Crimson I think that the fact that this is embedded into their sort of esoteric um part of this band right um is very very interesting um so if we take these album covers we have the English ectic Celtic knot discipline order we have the visceral beat or Specky right this could be seen as order chaos and then the yellow three of the perfect pair this is the perfect pair this is the consolidation and what we get on this album is the actual dialectic right uh the two ideas that they've been exploring on these first two albums have now split directly apart and on side one we get three of a perfect pair model man Sleepless man with an open heart all of those are absolute pop songs really pulling from dance music and I know that is why this one is not seen in the same bracket as there it's just Prejudice um but for me if you think about what fp's exploring and the ideas he's got the fact that he's now moving these ideas into a more commercial form a more accessible form is Act without compromising what this band does is a very incredible achievement and believe me it is that that has enabled progressive rock to still have its little hold on the music world and uh we see then in artists like Peter Gabriel and Tears for Fears and Nick kersha we see throughout the 80s the ability for um sophisticated pop music to be made pulling on these areas and uh all of those m musici as I just mentioned if they weren't listen to these albums in the early ' 80s I will eat my progressive rock hat so side one all pop songs it's the last song and this is really interesting the last song is nois that which passes passes like clouds nois is um originally was ATT tuned by janger Reinhardt um perhaps the first truly great guitar player fr's placing himself in a lineage and then that which passes passes light clouds it's almost an ination that this is going to be the last album and this history they're involved in is Fleet we are specks it keeps coming back to this aesthetic this mindful aesthetic and it's a key to understanding Frip as a musician because Frip seems like he's autocratic and dictatorial but he places himself within that dictatorial gaze because it's not him being dictatorial it is the awareness of the infinite and it is the way the awareness of the infinite acts wh through you he wants the musicians to be able to access something which is bigger and greater than the musicians are actually in the band and to respect what that thing is um we turned over soci side too and now we have which anybody who loves progressive rock will see as the most extreme side uh most conceptual um out there side in progressive rock history which opens with industry which is this um it's like what they did on in discipline and then on neurotica they really now go full scale into this idea of um the modern world in Decay it is postmodernism RIT large Adrian Belo is a car it's is a rusty car rust away the product of the 1950s the product of an age of Hope a product of an age that saw themselves as being moving within into the future but that vision of the future is now rusting away it's very much like the opening track of um nightfly by Donald Fagan you know which again takes that period which both Fagan and Frip GR in this idea of the 50s the modernist period and it takes it to the tail end of this we now in this postmodernist period where we were looking this in different lights industry goes into dig me which which is where we then get this story of the car rusting away all these melded together and then we go into no warning which is just pure free improvisation and then out this is most interesting into L's tongues in aspic part Three L's tongues in aspix part one and two were on the album locks tugs and aspics and for me as a kid getting this this sort of them pulled together as as that line of frips King Crimson inquiry running from Lark's tongues through two um Al like exposure League of gentlemen the frps the um brino stuff and then coming out here stop and at that point this stops and frps off doing other things all he's off doing other things until in the 1990s after Nana's emerged he decid to pull King Crimson back together but that is another story but it did contain um a tone Le and Adrian beloo and it's going to be interesting if they draw anything with this new band from that era so those are the three albums incredible Prague incredible 80s pop music intelligent pop music um a real moment in terms of rock music history one that was ignored at the time of course because we're talking progressive rock but here we are 40 years later with um that um Legacy being uh looked at with new eyes and suddenly we have this band coming out sanctioned by Robert Frip um Robert Frip after um putting King Crimson silently to bed uh with the last uh lineup uh King crimson's now gone I don't think he's going to return there again himself personally and the Toby abis film that came out charting that is a much watch you know it's a m a much watch much anyway go and watch it it's incredible when I watched that film and I know quite a bit about King Crimson it gave me the keys I think I think some of the ideas I've got on this video I think I got for watching that documentary and seeing um and understanding what Robert Frip had done this is like Frank zapper it's a it's a long-term Vision it's a it's a it's a hole that we have to take in so Frip is now exploring the very ideas that we now here have in our post postmodernist culture so I believe that the postmodernist era stopped in 2012 and we are now in the chaotic era of a new culture that hasn't even got a name um and I think um in 20 years time we'll be able to understand what the hell we are in at the moment but we're in a chaotic place at the moment I just hope that the uh sort of liberal tolerant values that went through Modern and postmodernism are not thrown out um as we uh um now pull apart everything that we held dear to us for the last 50 years 60 years um Frip understands this I believe and uh it's very interesting the guy that is U going to be 80 years old this day this this year has been able to embrace social networking something that um I became very aware of a few years ago and I moved from being a of progressive rock musician and and drum teacher you know making my own little albums to coming on here and and playing this game right and this is a game what's going on here is a game and so um the idea that um King crimson's now is is dead it has now moved into the the the area of the tribute band it is locked um these four guys are going to approach these albums not as these albums were made which is looking to the future but they are going to approach it with respect that's quite obvious listening to the interview that they did this is now museum piece you know FR has taken King crims and he's finished it off and then this band is going to pick up that Legacy and it's going to put into the museum that is what's happening here I think that's why Frip is sanctioning it right um they will go across um finishing the job touring America and hopefully coming over here and believe me I will be there for this one um very respectful of these three albums very respectful of the whole leg Legacy um because Frip has put to bed the early King Crimson and the middle period King crims it's all being put to bed this is the period that's not being put to bed right this is the most important bit that needs to be done this is the jigsa in the puzzle um the choice of musicians is very interesting so this new band is incredible um and when I was watching them being interviewed on um bat's show I was looking at this is a hell of a band right um we could go and get some virtuos you know let's go get Vinnie colu to get some Victor what on bass and we'll get like um um I don't know a Guri go on guitar and then we'll get some singer maybe the guy that sings for Mr Big and put them in the studio and they write a bunch of like very hip Fusion stuff with some singing on and they'll go out and tour it that's that's the usual super group thing and there is a part of you if you've been you know studying this form for a number of years you sort of secretly yawn inside don't you um these guys a different set of guys aan Belo I think is key I think what we've got going on here in terms of Adrian beloo because he has his vision of this and I think Frip for all his autocratic he still sees this bad as being a democracy and so it's very interesting I think he's he's aware and maybe he's softened but um that Adrien Belo is an incredible songwriter but what Belo found in King Crimson working with those musicians was something that spurred him to possibly his best moments as a songwriter and and I know what that feels like for that to be over and then it's not that you want the fame and success you want the aesthetic um uh payoff working with people like Bill bruford Tony leving and um Robert Frip can you imagine what that must be like when you get used to that and then it goes so I think aent beloo since then has been very interested in this Legacy and I think he's been knocking on fr's door saying we should go out again and his his exclusion for the from the more um recent versions of King Crimson I think was upsetting for him because I don't think he he realized what I think was fr's intention which was to do um you know to put this thing to bed think of someone like Miles Davis that we could sort of think of very similar to um uh Robert Frip or even Frank zapper what did Miles Davis do that guy that never did what he did before uh in in 1991 he then booked those gigs in France uh he did one gig where he pulled in everybody back in and he went through his back catalog MC offlin was there Wayne shter was there Joe Z was was there Kenny Garrett was there scoffield was there they were all brought in and they put played all the aspects of his uh different eras including right back to the sort of postop poop you know the cool Jazz that he did in the 1950s and then you know a few months later Quincy Jones was brought in and they explored the S Gil Evans stuff Miles Davis turned up to that um not expecting to play and then picked the trumpet up and played it just a beautiful thing and then he died so even Miles Davis at the end put it to bed Frank zapper of course the last thing he ever did was The Yellow Shark he F finally found an ensemble that could play his stuff and he was able to present a proper classical uh interpretation of his his compositions he put what was really important to him to bed Frip has put this to bed and now he is uh giving Belo the uh a chance to put this part of the Legacy to bed and Belo is ready to go right so who's Bel who are you going to bring on in on guitar to replace Robert Fri it has to be someone who has um their own thing going on it has to be someone that can play the bloody stuff so they got you know no there's no point getting some blues guitarist in or Martin noler it's got to be know David Gilmore it's got to be somebody who can play the stuff uh and somebody who is is entwined within that Legacy now what's really interesting here is if this was another project a lot of us Zappa fans will be going oh my God they they're bringing together they're bringing together Belo and Steve VI that's an interesting mix isn't it when I first heard Steve V he seemed to be to me to be a cross between Eddie Van Halen and Adrian BL the quirky weirdness that that that um especially in the early days that that VI had I I have often wondered whether that came from aent blue because of course um VI almost replacing aent blue in the Zappa band meant that that Legacy was there that's a really interesting thing um so it's very interesting for those two to be together bringing Tony Levy back in of course with two of them beloo and Tony Levin that's 50% of this band bill bruford um in 2008 retired from music so he's not going to come in so again you need somebody of a similar age to VI that is followed in on the Legacy I cannot think of a band better than tul tul tul is the stadium rock band more than any other band that has drawn their inspiration from King Crimson without a doubt Danny KY and Tool the aesthetic of tool comes from King King Crimson that's I didn't couldn't say properly King Crimson without a doubt um so Danny KY brings in his own gravitas he brings in a certain fan base he brings in a certain aesthetic I cannot think of a better person to do it I really don't you know I I think that um he uses electronic and acoustic percussion in his setup um he has that very precise sound he's not like um let's say a wle or Omar hakeim that's coming out of that very fluid Jazz the only other guy that I could think could do it would be perhaps Terry boio another Sonic Explorer another person from that period another person from the Zappa band you know um that would be a hell of a lineup wouldn't it um so um I have arrived and of course before I finish you know boso replaced bit bit bruford in the band UK uh UK being a bit like League of gentlemen the runup to Asia the band Asia and um the 80s King crims that I've been talking about on this video so I think I've got to the end what I wanted to do on here was really for anybody who's interested in this uh and goes what the hell's going on with this band you know I like King what's all this about I wanted to really try and filling in as much I want this to be the comprehensive video on this little event that's about to happen and anybody who know all about it hopefully to to be able to interpret it in a way that you found at least interesting you might not agree with my interpretations of what fr's doing aesthetically and that is good because that's how art works you know Frip isn't there're telling us this we have to feel it it's a lot of what I decide comes from my feelings I listen to the music first the research comes second I listen to the music first and what's that music trying to tell me you know uh that I think is so important because um the if nothing comes out of this it's a fact that this era that we love is is definitely you know drinking its HX and uh going up to bed and to put its head down and do the the big sleep as are many of the people who are working in it hasn't been said is um Vai is 64 years old I think Danny KY is 62 years old Adrien Belo was born he he was born in I think 1949 I have to pull all this out of my head because I don't know I'm going to talk about this I think he's 49 so he was born in so he's 75 and um uh this year Tony L will be 78 years old this big super group that we're getting you know very excited about is a bunch of um you know pensioners old a pensioners senior citizens I don't what you call it out in the rest of the world senior citizens that's what we're looking at very interesting you know getting all excited about that at the same time over in the States you have to like um geriatric [Music] um uh Chaos and Order types to vote for which one you want to vote for geriatric order or geriatric chaos whatever happens it doesn't matter what they do cuz they'll be dead soon they can mess the whole thing up for you but it won't matter you know which one's got the ego big enough to go you know I did a lot in my life I made a lot of money I had sex with a lot of women I did I did all sorts of things I got on the TV and now you know just to finish all off I just might um you know let's just I'll take it all out with me I'm about to say that because recently on my videos where I've been I've been arguing the other side people have felt warranted to just mention the word Trump in the comments because that will instantaneously beat any any opinion I have that doesn't seem to be lining up with the ideology of the left right you know which included I'm off on a the video is over you switch off if you're not interested in this she included me saying this is not in the video in the comments on on on the nature of identity cuz I think the identity polit politics that was so useful to postmodernism right that that and that's that is a Will To Power it's a thing of saying I'm proud of who I am this is what I am it's that you know uh Jim Morrison um pretending he's the the rra standing on the mountain top you know affirming his his um super manness you know we we are all we are all a rainbow we can do whatever we want we've just got to believe right that's so different to the Cog the machine the Cog the machine that the um that aesthetic that the postmodernists in the in the 1980s Drew upon that we see with king crimm um now Frip is not doing that Cog in the machine thing at all he is acting like a fool on the internet you know appearing naked appearing um with with the mooh with makeup you know having fights with dinosaurs and his wife it's a different thing it's a different thing um and so um this what's interesting for me is we have got to a point when I was having this argument with those on the right and the left that I was saying um the best way to deal with racism is to uh um see it from a color blind point of view which means rather than tackling uh inequity based upon identity we tackle it based upon inequity so that's class you you basically go right we we will we will um help the people at the bottom of the pile and you had people on the left arguing against that this is the strange world that we are in and art needs to affect that and um I think I like from I'm younger than I'm I'm I'm um how many years younger than Frip 24 years younger than Frip but I am still of a generation where we are reacting in a certain way and those watching this channel you're probably you know reacting in a certain way and a lot of stuff I'm saying on the whole you'll be on my side on on this point but we are railing because we have a view that goes back to the 1980s 1970s um which is a much more liberal I suppose free expression it doesn't matter what people say or do and all that type of thing I definitely have that in me and that has become the conservative voice now why am I talking about this I think it's because I feel that King Crimson is so important the fact that this is being put to bed is is almost like handing the Baton over and Frip is now on the social networking I after a lifetime in this I am on the old social networking talking to you now uh the kids are on the social networking they will create the music there right and the whole thing about social networking it's anti- rock and roll in that that nichan Superman idea of us going to the church of rock and sitting there and the lights coming out and US worshiping you know the the the the the big Jesus of rock music that's in front of us all that thing that was in rock music the reverence that's gone art now exists as a speck as an atom there's people being creative all over the place and that creativity is only affecting the direct people in their direct Community here we have a community you know I I'm talking to a community here uh it's it is a it's quite a large number in in a month it's around about 400,000 views it's probably about 100,000 people watching this channel but it is a very specific community that is watching this and within that I I realized that I could do creative stuff and I'm trying my heart to use this channel to help the people who watch this channel to also be creative to the the democ democ democratization of creativity and uh recently on my patreon I have been able to set up um a Discord group and a WhatsApp group and especially the WhatsApp group is being used not only for music fans to share music but the for Creative musicans to be able to play their music to a um a community that knows what they're in for right right so um we are aesthetically at the moment shrinking down and so surely politics has to shrink down like this it has to become local it has to become um uh a limited we need to ban together in communities we need to get off this thing and we need to go out and find our actual Community that's out there and then we need to be control things at a communitarian level right U we need to draw ourselves in we've got to shake off the shackles of Fame and so the idea of Fame has become a joke because now people are famous because they're famous right that is eating its own tail at the moment the whole thing is collapsing from within that is what is going on aesthetically in the world uh there climate change so the only way we can sort out climate change is for everybody to draw themselves in personally everybody knows this you know the utopians that are out there gluing themselves to you know streets and Roads and chucking paint all over you know works of art that is not going to do it what happens is we all have to draw ourselves in we all have to use up less we all have to change the way we operate and the way we think the elites are in control you know it's um I'm pretty sure the elites want to sort of stay at home and not go out I've felt this for a number of years and Co only exacerbated that uh we had to stay in our houses even though you couldn't catch the thing outside why do we have to stay in our houses because we being the Great unwashed have to stay in our houses whilst um the global village which is the world is is there for all all the super Elites I'm getting all political U and I reason is I think the reason why this channel is getting more and more political and what I'm trying to get across on this channel is the idea of let's have a discussion you know listen to me and if you think well that was true but that wasn't true then just stay it you don't have to get all Angry you don't have to bring your emotions in because that's just the toddler in you that's the inner child that just doesn't like it I don't like it because I've bought into these ideas and we're not going to move forward unless we relax that and start listening to everybody and I believe that both viewpoints the left and the right you know the the the the big and the small the chaotic and the order the conservative and the Forward Thinking what we need at the moment they really need to come in and start working together so that we can act within this framework that we're in to do the best thing at the right time cu the truth is and all of the you have argued with me about this and most of you agreed with me so I'm not acting evicted I got accused of that and I I am having fun with this if you can't tell the only thing I'm worried about is somebody reporting me to YouTube and I get shut down because of some my out of context comment because I want to play I want to play with this I want to I'm an artist I want to play this with this thing we're in and that's what Robert Frip did with rock and roll right I want to play with it and I want people to see that um my opinions are fluid your opinions can be fluid I could say one thing I could contradict ourselves let's have the conversation because if if I say this and then someone goes away and thinks about it and they slightly change their behavior because of it and I know like I'm not saying cuz wait till I get the second bit before you start to get angry angry that is a that is you drawing yourself in that is that is moving away from the nich and Superman and just drawing yourself in and becoming back to a cog in the machine but this time not the the modernist Cog in the machine right which is the machine the industry with a machine as in the world this thing that we are in you know of open our eyes and just taking it in without question but you Al got to understand as someone said to me in the comments they said I've never known a YouTuber you know be so involved in the comments um my research comes from the comments um everything that anyone pushes back from I am very open to and you will see me every now will say I apologize I got that wrong um it's not very often but uh um but the but those who don't we're talking about art from this art Comes This these ideas and um here we are coming up to an over an hour now um on this video uh where King Crimson if I open up their UA now it is finished and we could step back in it and look at it like a painter who has finished their their painting and we look at it it does beg the question of um that move from the heroic from the court of the Crimson King you know this this place where the little princes of rock and roll resided Robert Plant Jimmy pige riding past on their sort of um aoran horses um King crims have moved to that to this idea of being this sort of world music Cog in this machine that Embraces everything around you ticking over this mad little clock workor thing that all works together and then that's done and the and the and the the world that King Crimson was commenting on has gone so all you can do now is look at it like the great pieces of art like the Renaissance art which was which was exploring the ideas that were there then and the Renaissance ideas the ideas that artists had in the Renaissance created the world in which we live now right and so we go and look at the Moa we don't want to Chuck paint up it we want to go and learn that that's what that was doing them because if we can step back and see it King crimson's about to do that and these incredible musicians in the Twilight of their C careers are now going to go out and pay great respect to these works of art which is Thoroughly Justified but it does beg the question where do we go next but I'm sure anybody who's watching this channel is aware that we are all of an age that where we go next for us may be a little bit more limited than those who are now starting their Journey into music listening music creativity and uh basically aesthetic um enjoyment of The World God and then finish with the burp did you hear the burp was it one of those silent burps oh god um a lot of people have have commented on my my digestive sister recently it isn't good at the moment and there's a whole host to reasons for that but I think I I tend to get up and do these videos in the morning and I have drink a cup of coffee and I have another cup of coffee then I come in here uh you can tell I've had a lot of coffee cuz I'm very hyperactive and and I get a little bit of um digestive stuff going on but I am a human being we're all human beings just trying to get along we're finite and one day we were moved on to something else but whilst we're here let's try and do the best we can thanks for watching I'll see you on the next video like it go on like it I'm just another hour there you didn't expect all this did you did you just I was going to go through the you know history didn't expect all that I didn't expect to do all that this is like this is like King Crimson in philosophy Sunday all all together in one video so you know go go and uh stick a like on it you know and uh you know if you liked it if you don't like it then just go away and don't come back if uh you want if you did like it want to see more then subscribe um and if you want want to come over to my group which is the little Community I've got where we can uh you know like-minded people can enjoy talking about Monty py thir and talking about 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Channel: Andy Edwards

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Keywords: Andy Edwards, Mahavishnu, Weather Report, Zappa, Allan Holdsworth, Prog, Fusion, music, music blog, conversation, guide to, music geeks, music nerds, music discusssion, album guide, artist guide, ranking

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Length: 63min 30sec (3810 seconds)

Published: Fri Apr 05 2024