Awakening and the Field of Consciousness | Dr. Tony Nader with Dr. Angelo Dilullo

Angelo welcome this is wonderful it's great to have you thank you for your time yeah thank you for inviting me Angelo is it is an anesthesiologist and a great author and most importantly an awake individual who woke up to reality from his personal experience that we would like to share and hear about I would say like all ancient sages that we hear about who had moments of transcendence moments of Awakening and then they actually shared it with others and many have spent their entire life looking again for that experience and that knowledge and that Awakening through different spiritual paths so Angelo welcome you've written a great book awake and we'd like to see what is the difference between waking up from sleep or dream waking up from anesthesia or from coma or vegetative States and waking up in a real way as you have experienced it can you tell us about your experience a little bit of the background and how this happened it's fascinating yeah sure so when I I was growing up I noticed um a lot of emotional contraction and I didn't know that as such I didn't have the terminology didn't even know what the what the process was going on inside me but I could feel uh some sort of density just Contracting as I was getting older and ultimately I was taking on repressed emotions from people around me not realizing it um and I actually had a good amount of capacity for that I think until I started to develop a sort of ego structure a mental self and as I developed that just because our nervous systems are complex enough that that's going to happen essentially for everyone um it became very very uncomfortable and I didn't understand any of why this was happening until years later but for me it was very uncomfortable it was very uncomfortable to live in a world of thought of the Yakety Yak of the mind of the internal narrative self-doubt doubts about who I am what I'm supposed to be doing what's wrong with what's wrong with me is that you know who am I all of these thoughts that were just racing around in my mind were incredibly uncomfortable uh so uh it was about 19 years old I think when I learned to meditate and that actually um was was a tremendous help it was uh very helpful uh it it offered me a period throughout the day where I could feel relaxed for the first time in my life I felt Equanimity peace but it was really um relegated mostly to those times when I was meditating and I didn't overtly realize there's something more to find but it's I still felt a lot of suffering and I felt that suffering pretty intensely especially around other people and so forth so um I wasn't really at that time a spiritual Seeker I didn't read a bunch of spiritual texts I kind of chalked up spirituality or spiritual Dogma to just another way to rearrange thoughts and beliefs to try to make yourself feel better and that's something I could see didn't work anyway so I think I just had a bit of a um skeptical attitude toward pretty much any kind of self-help or these sorts of things and at some point uh something hit me that it's not about anything in the words it's not about Doctrine it's not about any specific system or method there's a very real living possibility a living truth that's available to me uh and the first time I tasted that the first time I knew that Beyond a doubt uh it was interesting because it was the first time I had felt something pure in my life something more real than this internal suffering place I'd been in for years um but I didn't know what to do with it and I didn't know how to access it I just sort of knew it was possible I could feel it I could sense it and it was fleeting it just went it came and went so kind of afterwards I was left with almost a um that that feeling of like I've been to the Garden of Eden but now I'm out of it again and so it was even in one sense more frustrating uh but but it planted the seed that there was some deep profound transformation possible uh so when I was 24 years old and we can go into however much detail you want on this but when I was 24 years old I I actually figured it out and I figured it out by reading a book about Zen and reading a description of an exchange between a zen teacher and students it's called The Three Pillars of Zen and by reading his instructions on how to work with a specific colon I realized uh exactly what he was talking about and it related to what I had experienced before but it went far deeper um it was something at the level of identity it had nothing to do with thoughts emotions the story The Narrative of my life didn't even have to do with the physicality of my life it wasn't anything that like that it was uh profound in the most fundamental sense and it and I knew somehow that I could actually Orient myself to this fully and I also knew that would mean I would have to let go of everything everything I thought I knew about myself um not just mentally but like energetically and I just intuited that now this happened really quickly this part where I have to look back on it and unpack it to even say that because for me it was so obviously where I wanted to go because everything behind me was just suffering uh that it was it was an easy decision to make when I finally knew that it was possible to actually like go into this than I did and that changed everything it changed in a very rapid at a very rapid Pace it changed how I experienced myself how I experienced thought how I experienced the mind how I experience space and time literally everything it completely fundamentally changed how I experience everything to the degree that the even using the language of I the one that's experiencing it was so fundamentally altered that it to even speak in those terms isn't really accurate but we don't we don't have other language really so I'll just say I was sort of absorbed into um to everything but it's quite but it was quite formless so it's appearing just like this is all appearing but it's it's um quite formless and uh I could say spacious but it's also not um that's not in space that's the weird thing about it time and space uh come after this actually um they're they're extrapolated afterward by the mind to make sense of this three-dimensional world to move and function in which is practical and important so you don't actually lose the practicality and the ability to use the mind in that way but at the level of identity something very real occurs and it's a transformation that doesn't reverse it's uh it it stays that way so that's that's the gist of what happened that was when I was 24. um and then since then I would say there are there have definitely been refinements to it but the fundamental shift um which was exquisitely clear uh has essentially stayed it's not um it's not a static thing either so to say it stayed doesn't make a lot of sense it's not an experience it's beyond experience but uh but that that sense of the suffering separate self never reformulated and it's clear that it can't actually because it never existed so there you go wonderful it's really great to see that experience was fundamental in the sense that through meditation you have experienced something and kept experiencing it for a number of years and then suddenly there was a further layer of Awakening through what we can call understanding or intellectual understanding so the intellect also which means our ability to understand and usually the intellect discriminates between things but in this case the Discrimination is between diversity and unity and able to see that Unity that you experience is at the basis of all the diversity and that this knowledge that you have received has been fundamental also and important and consolidating the experience it seems and then then experience and knowledge are both very important and going through those phases of suffering or emotions and all of that is also teaching and finding you know the difference between what what the situation is before the realization and what the situation is after the realization is very different many great Seekers he spoke of spirituality and and all that many great seekers in history have had this path of um not making sense of really what is happening and if they are truly searching for an ultimate truce an ultimate reality they're not satisfied so there is that longing and that sense of sub cases suffering which kind of vanishes when the light comes so it's like being in the darkness in a sense where things seem to be separate and then you get a light and things to be coherent and connected it's a beautiful experience and it's a wonderful Awakening and uh what would you suggest what people should do is it two levels we have here the personal experience that people say well what do I do about it how they how can I get it and then the understanding of it and in our podcast this is a lot of what we actually discuss and we have names for these different levels we can also bring them out you know it's just to give them a definition and structure so from your feeling in the book Awakening what do you tell people to do so that uh they they either wake up or become awake and in a sense get more enlightened if you like it's a bigger word but this is in the same direction awake is more simple because one feels that there is a contrast between being drowsy and being alert and awake but in ancient Traditions there is terminology such as enlightened and being enlightened which is really being fully awake yeah I would agree with that um but there there are definitely stages to this there's no doubt about that um the uh the Insight that that matters as I mentioned is really at the level of identity so what I would tell somebody who's interested who can feel into what I'm saying is interested in truly going beyond all of the the conceptualities of of who I think I am and so forth um I would tell them to first of all really sit with what your motivation is do you re what do you want what is what is it you want really and it the reason is is sometimes we have competing agendas I may really want to go beyond my idea of myself uh something in me knows that's the right way to go that's the direction that my instinct is taking me and at the same time there's some competing agenda in my life I also want to have safety I also want to have Financial Security I want to have a great relationship and all that's fine but if you're not aware of competing agendas then they often trip you up you you get a little you mix things together and and kind of try to use this technique to to work toward this and vice versa um so when you see those things clearly you realize there are practical means to attain all of these these aspects of life that are important to us there's there's tools there's there's coaches and all of it for relationships and vocation and all of it when it comes to what I'm talking about it's really important to see that the tools that you use for other means in life really don't work for this mostly because it's really about you it's not about a specific Guru or teaching it's about EU it's a it's a very very intimate process and it's a process of turning toward and going inward one way or another letting go into that deep deep Instinct that there is somewhere to go beyond my conceptual self beyond my um Narrative of who I think I am where I'm going all of it so the first part of it is really just attuning to your instinct and learning to trust yourself that it's okay to go there that often Society has not told you to go there it's told you to go outward and seek surrogates for happiness and so forth but give yourself permission is giving yourself permission is key that you are willing to really turn inward and and let go into something uh more true more real than you've taken to be reality that's number one number two I would say that for me this the contrast was between meditation and not necessarily knowledge because it wasn't something I learned but it was the contrast was between meditation or augmented by meditation and a sort of inquiry it's really a questioning and the questioning is key in how you ask and with what Spirit you ask and that you ask with a certain kind of openness openness meaning you have to realize you have your own limitations and your mind limits you a lot uh your your cognitive apparatus not your not your you know infinite mind or anything but the cognitive apparatus does a limit uh you a lot so being willing to open yourself up to something beyond the dimensions of what you take yourself to be is really key with inquiry that it's it really has to be an open open-ended type of question and a type of investigation and that can play out a lot of ways it can be who am I and then just trying to turn back toward and rest in that sense of eye that pure sense of I before I become anything before I learned that I was a person a man a woman a physician anything um so who am I and just letting go of any thoughts about who I am and getting right back to that root of the pure sense of I and resting in that that's one way uh I in my book I describe a way to approach this through thought and realizing that any thought that arises spontaneously in the mind is a sort of it sort of has built-in limitations meaning if I believe I am this I automatically believe I'm not everything else and that sounds innocuous or innocent with one single thought and it is but you know with thousands and thousands of thoughts of a we actually end up in this Continuum of thought and we don't realize we're really confining our identity into this very small space so by noticing one thought at a time and recognizing oh that's one thought I'm a good person that's a thought I'm a bad person that's a thought I'm a spiritual person there's another thought and as you disreg disregard those thoughts you start to recognize the source of thought essentially or that in which thoughts arise and dissipate which is consciousness um just noticing that is helpful but that's not the shift the shift is ultimately when the experience of being an eye in the way I had taken myself to be previously is seeing itself to be only a thought and to experience Consciousness as all there is in in this space um is a huge release typically it's a it's a release from years of pent up tension and you know you have emotions that you didn't even know you were repressing and they just disappear and just just sublimate and it's quite a shift off often so um a form of inquiry is is usually key and it takes a lot of different forms and in my chapter uh in the book I describe how to find your own natural question to be give yourself permission to ask the most fundamental questions the questions that matter to you um why do I suffer uh you know who who am I taking myself to be and is there something more primary than that operating right here is there something here when there's thoughts and when there's no thoughts completely unchanged um those kinds of fundamental questions finding the one that interests you and resonates with you I find is what really works for people wonderful and the first part of what you described you used often I mean a few times eyes are directly going Beyond or indirectly letting go and meaning letting go of what is the usual what is the surface level towards something inwards and in other words this is what we call Transcendence to transcend is a term that means to go beyond and this is a technique actually we teach the Transcendental Meditation which is exactly like that to go beyond and to go Inward and to let go which is what really gets us there and then to understand also what is there it's you know the second part in terms of inquiry which means asking questions and asking questions requires answers and the answers are what I generally put under the category of understanding or knowledge not that knowledge in terms of specific values but to understand what your experience is because when one experiences a field of Consciousness that is beyond that is completely settled as we do in Transcendental Meditation when we go beyond the surface and go to Pure Consciousness and realize that some people just think it's void it uh emptiness and we have many experience of people where at the beginning they feel like falling into void or falling into nothingness and yet you point to them that they are conscious and they are still conscious that there is nothingness as if nothingness but its Consciousness is still there it's not like the unconscious of deep anesthesia or coma or even to some extent sleep because there is Awakening and there is wakefulness with nothingness specific and that's what going Beyond is and this is where you know knowledge or inquiry and answer to the inquiry understanding what one is going through helps also in figuring out what is going on because that is the experience and then there is let's say the inquiry because you like to have more emphasis on that about what is this experience how do I fit it where do I fit it in my reality and then one can then have another layer of understanding of Awakening on even the level of intellectual analysis but what is also important I feel you are maybe directly or indirectly mentioning is that just experience or just I mean not just experience just knowledge by itself or theory is not enough to make the shift there is something that one has to touch but not touch on the physical level but touch directly within oneself and know it to be real how important for you was one or the other in terms of how much intellectual analysis understanding and versus actually directly transcending made the difference because you started off obviously with years of meditation and therefore somehow transcending and transcending again and then got to that platform of uh having that sense of Oneness that grew in your life yeah so so for me the it really wasn't about understanding or knowledge for me um for me it was actually the initial shift um was really about transcending knowledge ultimately but because because the sense of self um the sense of the cognitive self is structured in knowledge it's structured in Consciousness and so for me it really was about actually letting go of that and seeing that the the the thoughts system that that had bound me that was causing all the anxiety and frustration and struggle um that that was not me that wasn't me so um so really for me it was it was a matter of surrender or um dropping out of uh that that binding of of knowledge and information now um they're beyond that as realization deepens there can be value to um understanding some of the ways that these these um the the perceptual filters fall away and there are as I said there are stages to this but things get very subtle so I caution people you know to really trust their immediate and direct experience more than thoughts or knowledge or beliefs or doctrine at all because it's very it gets very sticky it's it we use it as a life preserver because we really do um find ourselves falling into this vastness that is can be quite daunting it feels good at first when you first taste Oneness it feels good as an experience when you dissolve into Oneness it can be it's not quite something else and so um I always feel as I did in my book that I I feel responsible to tell people ahead of time that um this process I'm talking about you will experience a fear barrier you will likely you will experience emotions that will surprise you um and you you're prepared for it if you if you know that they're coming you may not be fully prepared but you're not totally surprised and think something went off the rails you realize oh this is actually supposed to happen but when you transcend identity in a very real way um your ego doesn't take that lying down it the alarm Bells start to go off and um so so that is part of it and I can't I can't deny the fact that that's part of it but some of that knowledge um having lived this way for many years helped for me to to prepare other people for it to put it into terminology that helps smooth the process for people who are wanting to go through this are already going through it whether they like it or not well do just find themselves spontaneously opening this way so so there is a value to to knowledge later on but it has to be really clear that the um knowledge is not used to continue to structure a cognitive self a separate self because a cognitive self will always feel separate um there's a there's a you could say that there's a a vast sort of self underneath that um and that's a a big shift into that stage of realization it does even go beyond that but that this vastness of self um that is Unbound Unbound by any thoughts or beliefs or like I said time or space or anything you've ever thought in the mind uh doesn't actually touch this it's that spacious and um fluid how beautiful yes our knowledge can also be dogmatic in a sense or become dogmatic if it doesn't have some kind of connection with experience by itself because this is how science actually started to reject uh even ancient wisdom and knowledge to some extent at the beginning because there were so many philosophies ways of thinking uh as you said you know guidelines and dogmas and and all of that and ultimately uh science said okay let's examine what works what doesn't work but there are many contradictory ideas about the sense of what Ultimate Reality is because this is what we're talking about really here is what is the Ultimate Reality that is the foundation of all the differences because differences exist on the surface level but there is something that binds them that glues them or actually something that makes them uh because if we think they are bound at me as if it's parts that then can appear as a whole but here what we're talking about is the wholeness appearing as parts and different different ways and so this is quite a complex thing to accept because people's identities are so entrenched in in their nationality and their beliefs and their looks and their habits and their job and their relations with others and so we form a sense of self that is based on specific values and if you try to tell somebody that there is more than that that you are not that you are something else at the basis of all of that they first will not really fully fully grasp spit and then this is where experience is primary and it's beautiful that you highlighted this way also of course that let's leave knowledge apart let's not feel you know Bound by specifics either specific sense of self and or not and try to see what uh what there is deeper than that and then when the experience dawns then the reality Norms that I am more than just that we had beautiful people even in our teaching of transcending of Transcendental Meditation that many like for example even if we want to take in extreme cases of criminal situations in prisons or for rehabilitation where people have a sense of themselves as being a criminal as being somebody who is wrong who and they identify with this and they say this is who I am what can I do it's and they do the things which is mind-boggling because we think everybody wants to assume they are good people and nice people but there are actually these people who find themselves in situation where they and they they identify with something that is in a sense not good not good at all even and then when they transcend they discover something and and I remember some of them and particularly one that comes to mind who said I could never believe that there is something in me that is so deep and so quiet and so silent and so peaceful I was identifying myself with something that is violent that is outwardly trying to do things and now I discovered there is something in me that is so profound and this person's life changed and you know they got released they never had uh to go back to prison and so what we're talking about is very practical it's very practical at the same time it needs a way to let go and I really feel Angelo's awake book helps in opening the awareness to that and this is why we we teach this technology of Consciousness we call it that helps to transcend and is very systematic way because experience is primary and then later we can ask and understand so just to go into some words here uh because we have in a way structured it and we need some words to understand it there is something which is transcending and now we're talking to an anesthesiologist so who deals with putting people to sleep and now wants to awaken people and in States Of Consciousness we have sleep dream and waking as States Of Consciousness but we have a new State of Consciousness which we're talking about right now and that is a transcendental State of Consciousness we call it and that is a state that has like sleep dream and waking its own physiology its own Electro chemistry and electrophysiology of the brain can be studied physically physiologically and by EEG and different structures that are showing that there is a different state of restful alertness or wakeful restfulness if you like and that we call transcendental Consciousness a state of transcending now if this state remains with you this is when we hear Angelo describing how his experience progressed into a sense of inner peace a quiet continuity of experience of being and you know there are and he says it's there sometimes not there it comes back but the reference is there the the connection is there and when actually it is always there we even call it Cosmic Consciousness I'm saying this because many of our listeners are already experiencing and know this kind of uh aspect of their life and just putting it in a terminology Cosmic Consciousness sounds like a big thing but it is the sense of that inner self always being there never lost so the sense of who I am is infinite and bounded pure call it pure Consciousness at the same time we are still active and productive and the outside and this is one thing I want wanted to ask you and that is the importance of relating to others working in the world and being dynamic in the world and you alluded to this and and what we're discussing that it's not a state of becoming lethargic or withdrawing from the world but just a state of Awakening do you do you want to elaborate a little more on that on the outer and yeah so what you're describing is Cosmic Consciousness is the background it's always here and so the experience of Unbound I just call it Unbound Consciousness there's there's no structuring and consciousness of a personal narrative or of a world separate from anything it's it's just basically pure Consciousness so that's here 24 7 and it doesn't come and go at all um but that's one it's hard to talk about this because it goes deeper than this there that's one aspect of experience um but from that you there's there's a there's a beautiful unbinding that happens all the time meaning unbinding from any uh history or personal narrative such that the availability of um of you of of response of Love of interconnection with others is always pretty much always there it's it's it's um reasonably seamless so there's not a sense of hesitating holding back from life there's not a sense of wanting not to be here or feeling numb or out of it or wanting to just run away and meditate that's not the case at all because the meditation is always happening you could say at some point meditation doesn't doesn't end there's something here that's always meditating and so that from that experience for me uh that makes it feel as if there's a sort of infinite availability of freedom of um creativity if that makes sense now there's there's always relative constraints that no person becomes a God or anything like that it's it's not you know that that would be a misperception but based on the conditions that this body mind exists in the the blockages of debt self-doubt and mind identification and being lost in thought those blockages can can completely clear and there's just this background of that Consciousness you're describing and it's there all the time and so it's it's a it's a very simple direct innocent and enjoyable way to live and there's no pretense to it that's the other beautiful thing about it it's just simple beautiful it's the simplest thing actually everything else is very tense because if the reality is one then pretending to be something else is actually the mistake and so by surrendering you also use that term to the self and a very systematic way and establishing that self and the and the reality of unbounded Consciousness or Cosmic Consciousness that reality is a Continuum that allows you to be active and dynamic and creative uh on the outside also it's not a separation or a withdrawal from from life and living and enjoying actually life the the teacher who brought this technology of Consciousness used to take an example and that is you know why would one want to act why should one be acting if one is established in that fulfillment and he takes a very simple example he says if you are sitting in a warm bath and there is warms around you but you don't move at one point the equilibrium of that makes you feel like it's just a continuous state which is great but if you start moving then the waves of worms create a Greater Joy and greater bubbles of fulfillment which give a different experience so established in that self acting within the outside is going to create all kinds of waves of happiness and joy so this this sense of you know having to do a life which is withdrawn and people have misunderstood even the knowledge and importance of transcending as being something which withdraws and goes away although we do it just during moments at the beginning when we are meditating but then when this is established it's the outward that is uh that is happening so few minutes of Inward and a lot of minutes outward makes the outward more fulfilling and then when one comes to that unbounded Consciousness or Cosmic Consciousness then there is further realization and that is where we can take it to another level and that is how do you see others say first we see yourself as unbounded consciousness and then now it transcends even just the self of being unbounded I am everything to realize that everyone is everything so there is that first self-realization and then it grows to spontaneously because you know this is the one thing grow spontaneously to embrace others as also being myself and this is a higher if you like layer although they can grow of course together a higher layer of what we can call Unity Consciousness Unity awareness um you have you'd like to say anything about that in your experience and your thoughts yeah so it's um I wouldn't necessarily use the same terminology but that that that is very clear so the experience of another the experience of otherness um The Experience even of physical objects [Music] um there's there's not a way to say that that's over there and I'm over here so this is when um realization moves Beyond as you said a personal experience of of just say Unbound Consciousness that's continuous to this experience where the physical world actually change it this doesn't change you see it in a more fundamental way such that the the the the knowingness that I am this or this Consciousness or this anything and the knowingness that that is that over there um drops away and it's it's as if you experience yourself in more than one place at once so I if I look at an object I can see that the mind is making that into an object over there for practical means and yet the identity at the identity level it's it's a perception of radical intimacy I'm here and there at the same time that's that's the best way I can say it so so myself and otherness don't make sense anymore and again the language doesn't work for this so it's not like I walk around talking about this but when that shifts it's very obvious beautiful we can call it I mean just as uh the sense of course of categorizing we can call it unity in the sense that there is no more separation that even though you see the Apple you see the flower uh you know that they are they are ultimately the one unbounded consciousness of pure being pure Consciousness appearing and uh manifesting in a phenomenal way as different values as as some other aspect of reality what is interesting is in physics also going deeper into the nature of Ultimate Reality they have come to different fields uh rather than just objects but actually electromagnetic field gravitational field and most scientists believe that there is ultimately one field a unified field which is this source of all the other fields it's like we used to think that electricity and magnetism are two things and now we of course know very clearly and Nobel prices have been given for unification that it's in one field it's the electromagnetic field that appears if it's in a rotational way or something magnetic if it's a linear way or other ways it's electric and we have now more unification with the weak force and trying to unify the strong force and even the gravitational force and the r series about that so what is being discussed is not just some fanciful feeling that Angelo experience I experience or other who practice Transcendental Meditation other ways also experience it but it's something that also connects with how the physical understanding of reality uh takes us into a unified field that for all practical purposes is actually a field of Consciousness a field of awareness and therefore we are we are not creating another belief system that has no connection to empiricism or experience and reality but it is truly also how ultimate objectivity which means the ultimate way to study the object finds ultimate subjectivity which is the subject finding themselves uh in a unified State and then even from the objective level they have matched and they match and also the effects on this The Disappearance of anxiety disappearance of fear this appearance of sense of separation so it has many practical benefits even for health for well-being and for society as a whole so there are so many converging Logics and factors and understandings and experiments that actually say that this is the true uh reality not just a one person's Awakening but that Awakening is significant and can be have can be had by by everyone because that is the Ultimate Reality yeah it correlates very well I love reading about Quantum field Theory relativity it's fascinating and it jives very clearly with my direct experience did it at all help you in your kind of uh coming to a conclusion or it's just an additional value I think it's just additional it's it's it feels so intimate to read about light for instance and the special Theory relativity essentially saying a beam of light does not experience time or space because it's length contracted and time dilated to Infinity so a beam of light exists the beginning experiences the beginning and end of the universe at the same time one one particle of light and then you start to understand what the word Enlightenment actually means that it's it's a it's an experience of of that infinite nature of light directly um and the field Quantum field Theory very very much so and quantum entanglement um all of it it just really Vibes with my experience beautiful beautiful and uh what do you want to do about it now that you have a book and you're inspiring people and guiding them uh you're still uh in anesthesia as a medical doctor yeah yeah I still work full-time as an anesthesiologist um I do make videos um I just try to facilitate this for anyone who's interested and just offer different resources and you know just encourage people ultimately that you know there are so many ways now there's there are you know Transcendental Meditation there there are different forms of inquiry there's body based practices and combinations of these really help people um with their if they're interested in really turning toward the the inner truth of who and what they are and going very deep so I really just try to encourage that and now in any way I can and talk to whoever wants to to have a discussion about it it's wonderful because it brings a profoundly the in touch the understanding of the self from this little body that is limited by the skin to Growing not only to one's family to one's uh Society even to one's Nation but also to one's world and once universe and including the environment and today we have many many big questions that we ask about a resolution of big problems about the environment about war that we are facing because we're speaking here about some experience and people are saying but what about all these issues that we are encountering environment about war and all of that and this experience even though apparently a personal intimate experience actually can give a solution to our problems because if you consider the environment as yourself and you're a responsible person in society then you will behave towards it in a different way if you consider this world as yourself also then you will not be inclined to start a war or a conflict but to actually embrace and uh be together and be in in unity with yourself and so this has huge implications in our world view which is very important for how we will solve problems environment for example we know exactly what needs to be done we know exactly what needs to be done why is it not done why because there is me and there is you and there are this and that and if you progress maybe economically while I am saving the environment then it's a threat on my survival and a threat on me and so therefore I can't do these things that help the environment when you are doing something else or or you know profiting from so many things and this is a source of conflict the source of problems the source of uh this content and fear from the other and if one is starting to realize this Oneness in a profound way and a real way not only on the individual level but also on the collective level which means many individuals rising to that understanding then the society itself Rises to that understanding and the leaders writing to that understanding and then the solutions truly come from that basis of unity whereas in separation there is always fear of the other and decision making that is not in tune with the reality of life which is Oneness do you want to say anything about this you said it very well I completely agree yeah you know I mean there are so many benefits um if you think of how conflicts start uh major conflicts what conflicts that cost many lives and wars and so forth that cost Financial cost personal cost they start with disagreements they start with a misperception in one person's mind because they feel divided on the inside they feel they feel attacked when they're not they feel separate from everything um it you know if that one person were to realize this this sort of unity Consciousness as you're describing maybe they wouldn't have done that or maybe in the next you know the next iteration of that conversation it wouldn't they wouldn't feel so triggered that they need to take some huge action and instead just say well maybe I'm misinterpreting maybe it's maybe it's just okay maybe it's okay um so I can think of so many ways that this this is hugely beneficial to people uh at all levels but as you mentioned at the beginning the personal uh someone quoted once many years ago to me that um Maharishi Mahesh Yogi use the use the phrase um a green forest is made up of individual green trees so you can be a green tree you can't force the forest to be green but you can be a green tree and if enough people become green trees enough people become Almer it connected with with truth with themselves with everything um it does have an effect I think it really does have a ripple effect and then certain people in key situations where a conflict could arise or not arise based on how clear they are how at peace they feel um that I can have huge implications so of course this is this is very important work the most important work and it's we need it to save us at this point as you said we know what to do we know it's what's needed in many many of the issues we're facing we know yeah it's about doing it but it's a lot of it's just about getting on the same page you know working together not thinking so in terms of you know nationalism and self and other and all that beautiful and actually we have done research on that it's again because people say well is it a nice idea or just something that is left to you know um to science or has it been checked and all of that and we have done there are 50 different scientific research studies that show that people when they transcend and they transcend particularly specifically in groups and together then there are changes in society and it has been documented repeatedly there is a wonderful new research which follows the number of people transcending so going back to the cells or doing what you are suggesting they should do in our case it's Transcendental Meditation which we find is the direct way but you know people can have their own ways whatever and they actually see that with the number of people practicing this program together there is change in Conflict accidents of the road and many many other factors violent crime you mention it you know robberies rape Etc they are actually systematically reduced in a very significant way an important way and with a big a big effect big group effect based on the numbers so as the numbers increase of those who practice these Technologies as the we can see the the very striking change and and all of these factors of violence of crime of conflict Etc and as the groups dismantle we can see unfortunately returning back uh to to the Baseline and and even continuing to rise as there were being projected from before these groups were practicing so uh again it's it's truly based on experience so we encourage everyone to experience the self as being unbounded to be guided by great wisdom that is presented to us in the awake book and the knowledge that is shared from personal experience plus all the scientific support of it the documented evidence-based research that has shown the effectiveness for individual and society as well as the understanding that we touched on from physics from uh you know understanding how the world is what is Ultimate Reality so it's a real thing and to wake up to what is real is important otherwise we are living and that which is not real and that is what we call Darkness or ignorance and to live in ignorance is bound to leads us to something which is not as Progressive as happy as evolutionary as growing allowing growth and transformation and the best direction for the benefit of every individual and Society thank you very much wonderful to have you please if you have something to add or to say before we close I'd like to welcome you to to say that well thank you for having me um I would just say to anyone watching uh if you feel that inclination to turn inward to to Really address the fundamental questions the question of identity the question of Consciousness the question of unity you have every right to do it and there are means there are all kinds of means but ultimately it's it's really on you to do that and it's very much worth it so I wish anyone who is interested in that fruition beautiful thank you so much great to have you looking forward to meeting you in person very nice nice to meet you foreign

Channel: Tony Nader MD, PhD

Views: 9,007

Keywords: DrTonyNader, TonyNader, ConsciousnessIsAllThereIs, Consciousness, Physiology, Science, Spirituality, Vedanta, Meditation, Transcendence, TranscendentalMeditation, Yoga, ConsciousnessPodcast, AngeloDiLullo, DrAngeloDiLullo

Id: ZqShUJXrFCE

Length: 55min 4sec (3304 seconds)

Published: Tue Mar 28 2023