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ways of supporting it if you don't like to use PayPal. My guest today is Asil Toksal.
Welcome, Asil. >>Asil: Hi Rick, nice to meet you.
>>Rick: Nice to meet you. Actually, we've met. Asil and I have been chatting for twenty
minutes getting things set up here, and I immediately felt a nice affinity or a familiarity
with him. You know, you feel that with some people. You meet them and you feel like, okay,
I know this guy. Asil is an Austrian-born channel. He's much more than a channel, but
he channels, as you'll see. His work includes group energy alignment sessions and the channeling
of celestial guides, as well as working on the energetic alignment of sacred sites around
the world. We're going to talk about that. The goal of this work is to assist in the
evolution of consciousness in humanity. He has traveled widely to do this throughout
the U.S., Europe, Asia, and the Middle East. For the past eighteen years, Asil has been
deeply committed to a spiritual path, while also training in a variety of different energy
healing modalities. He has worked with many masters and lineage holders of various traditions
in South America, North America, and China. In his earlier years, he also served as a
CEO and corporate executive in software marketing communications. All right. I could read the
rest of this bio, but I think I'll just switch to having Asil tell us this in his own words.
So, I've read most of your book, Asil. I would have read all of it, but I ran out of time,
but I read at least three-quarters of it, and I particularly enjoyed the beginning part
where you told your personal story of how you had been a good student and all that,
and become quite a successful businessman, but then felt dissatisfaction and started
looking for something deeper. So I think it would be nice if you were to tell us that
story in as much detail as you like, and we'll take it from there.
>>Asil: Great. Well, thanks for reading the book.
>>Rick: Well yeah, it was good. >>Asil: It is always an interesting journey
to be vulnerable and transparent about one's life or journey, to the general public. So
just to give you a little bit of a background, I was born in Austria to a family of immigrants
from Turkey. My parents had moved in their early twenties, and so me and my sister were
born into a family that was looking for a better future in a more developed country,
in [a] bigger economic outlook. So my parents' focus was very much what they couldn't have,
their unfulfilled dreams. And that was an excellent academic education and economic
career that would allow for stability and a great outlook for the future. So me and
my sister became these academic monsters. So we studied multiple different majors at
different universities. My sister speaks eight languages and so on. I went the engineer and
scientist route. I became a chemical engineer and computer scientist. And we were doing
everything right by the book. We were excelling in what the unfulfilled dreams of our parents
were. And I was following a path that I was attracted to but didn't really know until
much later what I was really wanting from life, so I thought this is what I want from
life because my parents want this for me, or society wants this for me. Does that make
sense? >>Rick: Yeah, sure. A lot of people do that.
>>Asil: So, early on, even before I finished my studies, I had this idea that wow, that
was twenty years ago the world is crumbling the way the earth is being treated. The way
we use energy is so inefficient and is so unsustainable, I'm going to look into what
are other energy methods to get into that. So I started a biofuels investigation, search,
research, and then eventually a biofuels company, to create fuels out of waste, waste oils.
And that worked. I was an early-twenty-year-old and raised money and built that company. It
was almost like a dream was manifesting itself in front of me. My dream of making the world
a better place, with engineering, and with science, and with entrepreneurship. And I
followed that dream for a while, and I started to see that a dream and its manifestation
is not enough. There was something intrinsically embedded in the fabric of society that prevented
the creations of this kind to fully have an impact on society and the world. That was
competition from industry peers that have the same vision of making the world a better
place, but there was like this gnarly old tycoon-like competition.
>>Rick: And then competition from companies that don't give a damn about making the world
a better place, they just want to make a lot of money, that are pushing the old technologies.
>>Asil: Yes. And they are pushed by the financial-economic systems as well. Right? Extraction and so
on and so forth optimization and stock markets and shareholders so there's a whole other
system that's pushing them, so it trickles down all the way to the consumer. So we are
in this giant system. Good luck trying to break it from all the way down, right?
>>Rick: Yeah. >>Asil: You need multiple entry points. So,
as a blue-eyed twenty-one, twenty-two-year-old, I decided to sell my shares in the company
and leave the company, even though it was a working creation. And I thought, this is
interesting, I have now exited a company that I've created, and I have achieved quote unquote
what my parents wanted me to achieve. It was some level of success. It was a recognition
from my peers, it was recognition, some form of fame, fifteen minutes of fame, or whatever
you want to call it, >>Rick: Right, emotional fluid.
>>Asil: And here I am sitting in my room, in my living room, in my nice apartment in
Vienna, after a party that I had hosted, and I felt so empty, there was a part of me that
just felt like, this is not it, whatever this is, it's not it. And this emptiness was so
strong, and I didn't have any more twelve- and fourteen-hour days of working, so I didn't
have the distractions to distract me from this big gaping hole in my heart. And I thought
this is what I need to find. This is what I need to look for. It's no longer doing,
doing, doing, action, action, action, no matter how well-intended it is. It is more like looking,
something inside of me needs to be observed, and to be discovered more closely. That started
the whole journey. >>Rick: Yeah, that's great. I kind of came
to a similar realization when I was that age, but my life was a shambles. I didn't have
anything to really renounce in order to devote myself to consciousness, but I did realize
that consciousness is the ultimate sort of fulcrum, or lever, which is the most influential
level. If we can somehow function at that level, we can change all the more manifest
levels that are built upon it. And I still feel that. I mean everything we see going
on in the world with climate change and everything else, is really just symptomatic of some deeper
dynamic in human consciousness or human psychology. And if we really want to change all these
symptoms, we've got to get to the underlying cause. And so I commend you for coming to
that realization as young as you did, and for doing something about it.
>>Asil: Let's say I had a trigger to look deeper. The actual realization that consciousness
evolution is really the key to all of our evolution, as a species, as a society, as
a civilization, came much later. When I started to find liberation, some form of growth, and
freedom from continuously doing my internal work, so to say, Internal work, as in healing,
realignment, relationships, and all of that, really finding what had been disconnected
within me, I started to realize, wow, if everyone would operate from a more liberated and more
aligned place inside, we would have a completely different world.
>>Rick: Yeah. I interviewed a school teacher about a month ago and she had had a near death
experience and some very profound insights, but she was describing what she encounters
as a school teacher. And where she lived anyway, in a rather poorer section of Dallas, all
the kids are strung out on drugs, many of them during class, they're totally stoned.
The girls are getting pregnant, the guys are getting in trouble with the law, and it's
kind of like, multiply that times all the cities around the country and, wow! If this
is the foundation, if this is the next generation coming up, and obviously not all the kids
are this way, but it's really kind of a hidden pandemic of confused, unhappy, lost people.
How can we expect society to flourish if that's the foundation? It's possible to have it so
different than that, but we are not there yet, by a long shot, in terms of creating
the kind of education where kids could really start on the path to spiritual awakening at
a young age and reach their full potential as adults.
>>Asil: Yeah, it's an excellent point that you make. And an additional thing that I'm
observing is that also the newest generations, aside from the generations that are already
being indoctrinated with existing educational systems, indoctrinated with old beliefs and
old mechanisms, infrastructures, mental infrastructures, emotional infrastructures of the past generations,
including the wounds that haven't been healed yet and processed, there is an entirely new
generation that's coming, that feels, I don't know, like I have conversations with a four-year-old,
or a five-year-old, [and] I'm just mind blown, thinking I'm talking to an ancient Taoist
master here. It is mind-blowing the type of souls that are entering this plane.
>>Rick: Yeah. I'm glad you said that because you needed to counterbalance the point I just
made, which seemed rather depressing. So, what do you think? There's two questions here.
What is it? On the one hand, there's this tremendous confusion and suffering, and people
going through all kinds of messed-up stuff. And on the other hand, there are some really
bright souls coming in, so what do you make of that dichotomy?
>>Asil: Well, I call it the great polarity. And in this incredible time of awakening,
incredible time of transition or transformation, we have to go through a really intense polarity.
A polarity within us, as well as a polarity within society. And this polarity pulls to
the extremes of our consciousness, to the extremes of our emotions, and that is represented
as well in the people, as well as the perspectives that we hold. The full spectrum, right? On
its edges. And I think this intense polarity is required, to come to a place of unification,
eventually. It's almost like consciousness is stretching itself to really see all perspectives
from all angles, as wide as possible before it can unify in a grander perspective, That's
the way I've been envisioning it. >>Rick: I think you have something there.
I think there are historical precedents for this too, going back even thousands of years.
The Bhagavad Gita, the Mahabharata starts with this whole huge polarity that had built
up in that society and then it culminated in this great war. But, I think it's interesting.
I actually took some notes here yesterday that I wanted to ask you about in terms of
this polarity point. There's political polarities that are really extreme now and social unrest
that's very polarized, and there's even polarization with regard to the COVID pandemic. One whole
segment of the population thinks it's a hoax or nothing to worry about, another is taking
it seriously. Or climate change, again. And it tends to be along political lines, but
one whole section of society thinks it's again, a hoax, and another is it's a dire problem.
And then there are all these conspiracy theories flying around that confuse the heck out of
everybody because you can't tell what's true these days. Anybody can say anything on the
internet and people tend to be very impressionable or gullible. When they hear something [that]
seems to ring true then they adapt their way of thinking to that thing, even though it
might be completely untethered from any kind of reality. So again, I'll have you comment
on that a little bit. >>Asil: Well, coming from the background that
I am coming from, as an Austrian with an engineering and scientific background, I held a very tight
and narrow perspective of what truth and what reality is. Right? And just having gone the
spiritual journey, I had to hold both, a really wide spectrum of perspectives that are possible,
and that are true to the person that is experiencing that reality and seeing it from their perspective,
as well as my perspective also being true, almost like holding a paradox in your hand
by truly being present, not just as an individual, but as a consciousness. Does that make sense?
>>Rick: It does. And actually, it reminds me of a quote from a Nisargadatta Maharaj,
if you've heard of him, an Indian Sage. He said that "the ability to appreciate paradox
and ambiguity is an indicator of one's level of spiritual maturity."
>>Asil: I'll say thank you to him. >>Rick: Yeah. And indeed, many of the things
that you experienced and that we're going to talk about today would seem completely
outlandish to the average person. They'd think, well this guy's nuts. He can't be experiencing
all that stuff. And yet I believe you are, and you believe you are, and I believe in
all kinds of things that are pretty far out by ordinary standards that the general public
wouldn't accept, and yet the general public is also accepting all kinds of things that
I think are pretty outlandish and that are mistaken and that aren't based on a scientific
approach. >>Asil: Right. So there is all these different
perspectives, and I don't necessarily - I do appreciate science, coming from that background,
and I also believe that science fifty years ago, a hundred years ago, five hundred years
ago looked very, very different. The things that were not accepted to be true and the
things that were accepted to be true is wide from, like far away from where we are today.
And it will be very, very different in ten years from now what we perceive to be true
and not to be true. And, dwelling a little bit into some of the scientists that have
been on the edge of consciousness, they come to a place where okay, at this point there's
no answers really. I think this is kind of going into the belief realm, or into the God
realm, and there is a fascination that I have when a scientist reaches that part, that level,
that edge. >>Rick: Good point. I mean, modern science
predominantly has a materialist, reductionist emphasis these days. That's their paradigm,
and anybody talking about consciousness, or near-death experiences, or channeling, or
angels, or any of that stuff, doesn't fit into that paradigm and is rejected as being
preposterous or hallucinatory or something. But the materials paradigm has been woefully
inadequate. It's built us rockets to get to the moon, and bridges, and skyscrapers, but
then, we're on the verge of climate extinction and all kinds of other problems, so obviously
it's a very mixed blessing. And I think you would agree that perhaps we don't need to
dismantle it, we need to supplement it with an understanding of its foundation in consciousness.
We need to flip the whole thing on its head rather than consciousness being a product
of the brain, the brain and everything else is a manifestation of consciousness and then
it'll all kind of start to work out. >>Asil: I whole-heartedly agree, I think it's
complimentary, it's almost like infusing the edges of consciousness with outrageous ideas,
with the imagination with which humanity has started science in the first place.
>>Rick: Yeah. A good point. And it's actually by outrageous ideas that science has ever
advanced. When Einstein first came up with his theories of relativity, people were saying,
how did he come up with that? That is so out of the box, and yet the equation supported
it. >>Asil: Exactly.
>>Rick: Well, let's get back to your story. We've gone off on a little bit of a tangent
and people want to know who you are and how you got to thinking the way you think. So
we last left you at some kind of party and you hadn't really started out on your spiritual
journey. Let's talk about how that proceeded. >>Asil: So the spiritual journey was a parallel
track to continuing my worldly journey. I continued to build companies and run companies,
software, and marketing, and I moved to the United States. I saw a great division for
myself in the United States. And in the United States, I became much more acquainted with
the native American traditions. Anything from sweat lodges to rituals that I could join,
participate [in], come closer to spirit because I felt there was something there that I couldn't
understand, and society didn't really have answers for me. So I wanted to meet the people
that were really close to spirit. They were close to something mystical. The mystery of
life, the mystery of existence, that I hadn't found answers yet from science, in my regard,
or from society. And so that was a first step in and eventually, I started to delve into
Chinese mysticism, Taoist mysticism, and started to study with a Taoist master in China. And
that took me on an entire new understanding of, wow! The Taoist approach to spiritual
development is actually incredibly scientific. And the ancient Taoists were mathematicians,
astronomers. They were healers, like the way traditional Chinese medicine had been developed,
or the I-Ching had been developed. It's so incredibly precise and detailed, right? It's
not like super mystical. They took the mystical and tried to make it into a tangible, reproducible,
and sustainable method of understanding reality. So I was super fascinated by that, of course,
the scientist and the engineer in me, right? and learning different methods of meditation,
as well as internal energy management and understanding the way energy moves in nature,
and the way energy moves inside of the body, and if you do certain practices in a certain
way, for a certain amount of time, you will get results. That was their promise. They
would say, if you do A, B, and C, you will get to D. Okay, this sounds great! Let me
do it! So I followed that path for a while and then I got a little impatient because
the master would say, "Here, you need to do this particular meditation for seven years.
Come back to me when you're done with it." I was like, "What? Seven years? We don't have
that time. We don't have that time." And so the curious, the impatient and the researcher
in me continued the journey. I spent some time in India, I spent some time in South
America, really finding more people that are close to spirit. How do they get to spirit?
And what do they do when they get to spirit? How does it shape their perspectives of the
world? And are they truly better people and human beings as a result of that? That was
for me an important indicator. I didn't care how spiritually evolved someone was if they
couldn't be a good and decent human being that delivered a positive outcome on their
lives and on the lives of others. >>Rick: You should know them by their fruits.
>>Asil: That's exactly right. And so I spent a good amount of time with shamans of South
America, and different tribes, and also in the jungle, in the mountains of Peru, as well
as in the mountains of India. >>Rick: And doing some Ayahuasca in there
it sounds like, Peru? >>Asil: Literally, all medicines you can imagine.
Various types of 'dietas' and various types of rituals. And similarly as well in India,
and other parts of Southeast Asia. For me, what was important is, there is an access
into the non-material world. There is an access to consciousness, as well as altered states
of consciousness that each civilization or different versions of civilizations on societies
have developed entry points into. Right? Imagine it to be like a mountain where there's many,
many different paths up the mountain. >>Rick: Right.
>>Asil: And in some ways, they're all right. You can't say one is right and the other one
isn't. They all have different pathways. Some pathways are a little bit more scenic, and
some pathways are more direct and super intense, and some pathways are sustainable, some pathways
you make three steps forward, two steps back. So I was just mesmerized by the idea how humanity
has established itself, or the consciousness of humanity, is desiring to go up a mountain
[and] they don't really fully understand why, but it's like intrinsically in us.
>>Rick: Yeah. You know, as you were saying that I kept thinking, isn't it cool, isn't
it interesting, how we all have this kind of innate knowing that there is some higher
dimension, something to be realized, and we may not know what it is, but there's this
sort of natural human craving to find it out. I'm reminded of the movie Close Encounters
of The Third Kind, where Richard Dreyfus kept looking for he knows there's something you've
seen that movie? >>Asil: Yeah.
>>Rick: Yeah. He's building a mountain of mashed potatoes on his plate at the dinner
table, and he says, "This means something. I know this means something!" And his family's
looking at him like he's crazy, and he couldn't stop. You know, that movie is a beautiful
metaphor for the spiritual path. Everyone was trying to tell him he was crazy, and he
should give it up and just keep working for the telephone company, and he kept thinking,
"No, I've got to find this thing. I know it's there. I don't know what it is." And you know,
he eventually finds it. But you know, I think all of humanity is driven by an urge like
that. >>Asil: Yeah. And that was the urge that was
driving me. I knew there's something there, there's something deeper, it's a deeper calling
inside, and I really needed to find out what it was. So basically all the different healing
methodologies that I had experienced on myself that delivered some form of opening, some
form of expansion, I thought, "Wow, this is really good." And I started to tell people
about it. I said like, "Hey, try this. It will make you better." I could see how some
people were just stuck in their lives, running the hamster wheel the way I had been doing
it. So I said, "Hey, just at least try a couple of different things. Here's like fifteen different
things you could try." And so I would start to infuse that in the communities around me
and the people in my relationships. And eventually, I started to see, oh, wow, I could actually
learn to do some of these things myself, given time and practice and training. And I started
to do that. I started to hold retreats that would allow individuals to come to a deeper
level of sense, to some of the pains that had been suppressed, some of the wounds that
had not been processed properly, where the space wasn't there to process it. Because
in society we keep on running and the symptoms are treated, but then you treat it enough
you can go back into the machine to continue running in the machine. Right? So I was like,
okay, a lot of people just don't have the space for the healing that is required to
happen. And I was given that space by some of the people that I went to, but not everyone
can go that extreme. So that was somehow my process. I left the companies that I had created
and went back into that space and said, okay, you know what? I will dedicate my entire life
to this journey. To the journey of healing and evolution and growth, whatever that looks
like. And so once I was in that journey, I was doing retreats all around the world and
there was particularly one retreat that I had held interestingly enough, in Northern
California, in the Redwood forest, and it was a full moon night with the misty fog going
through the Redwood forest. We're sitting outside by the fire and the retreat has just
finished, and I told everyone they can just go to bed. And I'm there sitting in the forest
still in deep meditation. And all I could hear was suddenly the silencing of the birds
and the insects, everything turned really quiet, almost like a soundproof dome of energy
just was like covering me and the entire space. And I could feel the presence of something
else. Like there was a reverence to the energy that had just shifted. And I thought, wow,
this is either jackpot or I'm in trouble. One of the two. And so, and these lights that
were around me, these light beings I felt some sort of intelligence, some sort of consciousness
that was with me and they started to speak to me in a way that I thought it's just like
you and I speaking. I thought maybe it's a part of my consciousness that's speaking to
me. It's a higher part of me. And the voice said, "You're finally ready and we can now
work with you." And I thought. Okay. Tell me more.
>>Rick: And just to clarify a little bit, so, was that like just a subtle thought in
your mind? Or was it kind of like, clear as a bell, as if someone were there with you
in the forest, speaking this to you? I mean, how concrete was that voice?
>>Asil: It was, with closed eyes, it was feeling like an incredibly vivid vision. While in
half-asleep, half-awake state. I was awake. I was sitting, and I was overwhelmed by the
energy of that vision. It didn't come just as a vision and words, but there was an energy
about it as well. And it was not subtle, it was visceral. So, I thought okay, something's
going on here. And a part of me was terrified, a part of me was excited, and I said, "Who
is this? And who is speaking?" And the first voice said, "My name is Emmanuel, and I will
be guiding you through this process." And I thought, "Who is Emmanuel?" I didn't even
know who or what Emmanuel is. I thought maybe it sounds like maybe a Saint, you know, like,
maybe it's the passed-on ghost spirit of a Saint. The next day I Googled 'Emmanuel,'
and it turns out it's an angelic being. And I thought, okay, now I must be at least really
losing my mind. I can't talk to anyone about this. This is just way too out there. Like
angels are talking to me. Kind of, you know, angels to me are, were, creations of myths
and legends. Stories that people could hold on to in difficult times. That's what I believed
it to be. A creation, to help humans or humanity through difficult times. Right? It's a beautiful
purpose. that's what I thought it to be. And here it is, a light being announcing itself
with its name, and talking to me. Maybe angels were a real thing. But I kept silent. I didn't
talk to anyone about it. I kept it for myself. And the thing is they kept on coming back.
There was a consistency that built trust, that built confidence, you know in science,
things start to make sense when they're repeatable, when they're consistent, like, okay, something
is here, something's going on. I don't necessarily fully understand what it is, but something
is going on that is reproducible. And they said, we will make adjustments to your physical
body, to your energetic body, to your emotional body, and to your mental body. And these adjustments
will eventually make you a vessel through which we can work. And the work that you will
do, if you choose so, is working with people, humanity, working with the individuals that
have a proportionate amount of leverage and influence on society, as well as with specific
places around the world that carry important, energetic signature, energetic relevance to
humanity's consciousness, sacred sites, places of importance, or places of trauma. So I said,
okay, let's explore what that looks like. So I put my entire life on pause for about
a year and a half, where I was being worked on every day for multiple hours. And being
worked on looked fairly intense. It was a change in diet. It was a change in exercise.
It was a change in sleeping patterns. It was hours and hours of meditation and really energy
surges moving through my body, and I was flapping on the ground. You know, like, I don't know
what's going on, is this really progress? Is this what progress looks like?
>>Rick: Am I becoming a beached whale? >>Asil: Exactly. And it looked a bit like
I was having epileptic seizures. And I was, at times, I was really concerned as well for
myself. I thought, well, what if this is some sort of mental illness that I'm trying to
make sense of? And therefore I've created a whole story in my mind of what this mental
illness is. Right? And so I went through that route a little bit. I talked to a couple people
that were actually professionals, you know, psychologists and psychiatrists. And they
asked me a couple of evaluating questions and they said, it doesn't look like you are
mentally ill, like there's something happening to you, and you're grounded. You're still
rational. You're functional. And it doesn't seem to be negatively impacting your life.
So we can't really help you. >>Rick: You must've done a little Googling
and seen that people do have these movements when there's some Kundalini awakening.
>>Asil: Exactly. So I started to see parallels in Kundalini. I started to see that my body
would go into specific spontaneous mudras, and I would be stuck in these mudras. And
these electric surges would go through my body. I was like in catharsis in a mudra.
And I thought I'd never learned mudras really, and I didn't really know what they meant.
I thought you do the mudra and then you get something, but this was more intrinsic, the
mudra was doing itself. And so it kept on going until I had another, a new being that
came in, and I have to tell you what it felt like when they enter my body or they connect
with me, it's like that scene in The Matrix when Neo is plugged into the matrix, and he
feels the surge and suddenly it's this really intense experience for him, and then suddenly
he's in the matrix. That's the way it would feel like. So I was entering a different matrix,
almost like I was entering a different space of consciousness. And in that space of consciousness,
I would have communication with these beings that humanity has categorized as angelic or
archangelic beings. They don't call themselves angels or archangels. They just are. And they
say, we're choosing the names that humanity has given us. And in the context and frame
that you come from, these are the names that you will understand. They've had different
names in other civilizations, which is really fascinating to me. There's like a recurring
pattern of their involvement and their interventions in society. So I thought, okay, this is getting
really interesting. This is getting super fascinating. And it was Raphael that connected
with me about six months into this process and said, "I will continue the work and then
eventually we will tell you when you are ready to serve individuals and other beings, other
humans." And that was about a year and a half in, when I started to do sessions with people
where I would be embodied. And you will see that when we start to do the channeling. My
body will go through an energy buildup until my vessel is ready. They will then embody,
it's almost like my body falls, like flattens down, and then suddenly it's erected because
there is this connection that happens. And then this outside consciousness is then suddenly
embodying and using my arms to do what it needs to do and speaking through me. My consciousness
is here, , I'm a bit further distanced, I'm observing what is happening through me. And
it is a strange experience because I'm a very cerebral person and so it took me a long time
to give up control over this vessel because I identified so strongly with this mind and
with this body. I'm like, "Oh my God, something else is going to be using this, steering this.
Who am I, am I going to get lost in the process?" and so on.
>>Rick: Do you feel like while it's going on if you really wanted to, you could just
say, "All right. I've had enough," [and] get up and do something else? You're not completely
under [outside control]. >>Asil: Correct. So this is what in terminology,
we differentiate between an embodiment and a possession. An embodiment is an agreement
where the host they call me the host the host can say, "Okay, thank you very much, I've
had enough." Or, "Today I'm not going to work," or whatever it is, I can interrupt the connection
and they will leave voluntarily. A possession is different.
>>Rick: Right. You don't even know you're possessed, right? You're just gone.
>>Asil: Yeah. Or you don't have any control over it. You haven't the ability to interfere
or break it. >>Rick: Would it be safe to say that higher
beings wouldn't do a possession like that? That would be some lower being. Higher beings
have more respect for your autonomy? >>Asil: Absolutely. So there is something
that I consider the spiritual autonomy and the spiritual sovereignty of an individual
human being. There is a tremendous respect. And this is one of the first laws of human
existence, is the free will and autonomy of a human being. That is not violated by beings
a higher consciousness. They have respect for that because it is part of the human construct.
>>Rick: Yeah. And they have higher consciousness, which would mean that they're serving a higher
purpose, they're serving the good, you know, they're not some kind of nefarious character
that's just out for some kind of entertainment or some sort of lower gratification.
>>Asil: Yeah. And I will say that in this spectrum of higher beings and really what
we consider bad or evil or whatever it is, there is a spectrum, a really, really wide
spectrum of fifty thousand shades of gray. So there is so much in the middle that we
don't fully understand. We try to judge it, we try to evaluate it, and this is where a
lot of mystical people dwell, in the many, many shades that are between the very, very
high consciousness and the very, very low consciousness.
>>Rick: Yeah. And there's a lesson in that. I mean, we know that certain truths are hidden
and all of spirituality is about discovering something that's ordinarily hidden, but that
is not to say that all hidden things are worth discovering or contain truth or goodness.
>>Asil: I'll say that is to be determined. And there is a curiosity about human nature
that will just drive us to look for these things, no matter what. You can tell a child
not to touch the fire, but eventually, possibly, it will start, it will touch it, you know.
It will get burned, and it will have to learn sometimes by personal visceral experience.
>>Rick: Yeah. There's a good guiding principle though, which we could say is, highest first.
I mean, we have only so much time in life and there are so many things potentially to
be explored. So why not, you know, put in your bucket list, start it with the things
that are really worthwhile. >>Asil: So this journey has been taking me
on an incredible ride from healings, to sacred sites, to events like mass gatherings where
spiritual transformation was in the air with hundreds of thousands of people, and the transformation
that I've been a witness to. I don't take credit for it. Well, I take credit for the
work that I've done to be a vessel, but the work is definitely being done by something,
a much higher intelligence, which is incredibly generous, and incredibly loving, and incredibly
unconditionally giving, at a time where we need support.
>>Rick: There's an interesting point there. In your book, I quoted the following line
"Following our agreement we have returned to intervene in human evolution once more
and for the last time." And so the first part of that implies that there are some ascended
masters or higher beings or whatever you want to call them that are concerned with humanity
and that have our best interests in mind, and that are doing what they can to help us
along. >>Asil: Yes.
>>Rick: And I think a lot of traditions allude to that kind of thing. But it's interesting
to really consider it and take it seriously. And then this thing about "...once more, and
for the last time." What are they saying there? I mean, it, hasn't this been going on for
hundreds of thousands of years, perhaps. >>Asil: Yeah. So, okay, a couple of the things
that I'm going to say now might be a little controversial and, just, everyone take it
and leave what you can't take. >>Rick: Take what you need and you leave the
rest. >>Asil: The guides that I've been in communication
with and the information that I've been getting, suggests that humanity was established by
creation, by design, by higher consciousness. That humanity itself was an experiment of
multiple cycles of multiple iterations, and we are currently the iteration that has come
the furthest in its consciousness evolution. >>Rick: Were the other iterations here on
Earth, or you mean on other planets or something? Or both?
>>Asil: Yes. Here on Earth, and possibly on other planets as well.
>>Rick: And so other ones maybe fizzled out or self-destructed or something, but we've
made it a little farther than those. >>Asil: Correct. And we're coming to a place
of spiritual ripening, whatever that means. So the way I understand this, is this Earth
is the home that we know. And we believe this is the only home that we can have. And there
is the perspective that is being shared, which is Earth is a learning process, it's a learning
stage. It's a type of school, if you want to say so, for consciousness to come to a
certain level of understanding, to a certain level of realization, that's the word that
they use. And the realization that consciousness gets to is connected to the realizations that
the individuals get to. So every single individual is going through a self-realization process
and through that, all of human consciousness grows. And they're saying that there is indeed
something like an expiration date on humanity's existence on this planet which is independent
of our inability to live sustainably on this planet so that's a separate path, right? Our
self-destructive nature is due to our experimentations and our unconscious behaviors, et cetera,
et cetera. >>Rick: So you're saying that even if we learn
to live sustainably, there will still be an expiration date?
>>Asil: That is what I'm saying. >>Rick: Okay. Please elaborate.
>>Asil: So it's interesting. I had a long time of resistance to it and a long time of
not speaking about it publicly because I don't want to be a doomsday proponent, you know?
It's not necessarily as a scientist, what I believe in and it was really hard for me
to fully embrace until I started to get the bigger picture the bigger picture is that
we as a consciousness, there is a next step. There's a next evolution. We're moving from
high school to university. That is a different place, that is a different form and shape
of existence, a different format of learning, a different format of experiencing, and that
is not in material form. So there's non-material forms of existence that have moved from the
material form to non-material forms of existence and we are in this process of moving in that
direction. >>Rick: Yeah. But there's always a spectrum,
as you say. And even the beings that you've been communicating with were once humans,
at least for some of their lifetimes, and yet now they don't need to be, or they can
serve a better purpose not being in human form. But even if let's say, ten or twenty
or fifty percent of humanity reaches that stage at which they no longer need to be materially
embodied, wouldn't there still be many other souls that haven't reached that stage that
would find it rather convenient to have a planet to live on in order to continue to
evolve? >>Asil: So that's the fascinating part about
the human experience. The human experience is a combination of, there is a human consciousness
itself, which is a collective consciousness, and then there is soul-containers that derive
from different parts of consciousness, different parts of existence, different civilizations
almost. They're having a human experience, embodying human consciousness and the human
body. In this embodiment, the soul container, the human consciousness as a collective, as
well as all of consciousness is having a learning experience. It's a win-win-win situation,
right? So everyone is evolving through this human experience.
>>Rick: Individually and collectively. >>Asil: Correct. Individually and collectively.
So once this iteration of human consciousness finalizes, there will be other iterations
of either humanoid type or of a different type, where soul containers can still have
an experience, an embodied experience, a material experience, so the evolution will continue.
>>Rick: Right. So here's a quote from your book that relates to that container thing.
"Beyond all those parts of yourself that you can observe, feel, and understand, there is
a part of you that is beyond comprehension. That is the majority of your being." So in
other words, what we think we are is just one tiny little tip, like a fingertip of a
much greater body. >>Asil: I think the Dalai Lama did a quote
about that! "What you perceive about yourself is the size of your small pinky."
>>Rick: Yeah, that's very true. But I'm still uncertain what you're saying here, so let's
try to nail it down. So are you saying that if visitors from outer space were to come
to our planet in two hundred years or something, they would find the whole place deserted,
they wouldn't find any physical life here anymore, and that everyone, all the souls
here now would have moved on to some other realm?
>>Asil: Yes and no. Let me clarify. This current iteration of human existence required a certain
type of ecosystem to be in place to provide the human experience to flourish and to have
the human body, as well as the nature that we need in order to have everything that we
need provided for us. The perfect conditions. It's almost like unimaginable. "It's random"
that's also what a lot of scientists say. It's like it's too good to be true.
>>Rick: I don't know if it's random, but then we'll leave that point, but I think there's
an intelligence running the universe that doesn't do anything randomly but go on.
>>Asil: So thank you for that. So, there's that part where these conditions were established
for a specific moment in time, for a specific period in time for human consciousness to
come to some level of ripening so it can move to another plane of existence. Now, what will
happen to Earth afterwards? Earth will become home to a new form of consciousness. An entire
new ecosystem will develop itself and a new consciousness will develop from that. That
is the perspective that is shared with me. Now, how much does it matter, and how much
of it is information for entertainment? I don't know.
>>Rick: All right. Well, let me press you a little bit more. I mean, we're in the "sixth
mass extinction" they say, there've been five others. I think the previous one was the "Permian
Mass Extinction." And I saw an article, just yesterday I think, that said that the methane
release in the Arctic is now accelerating so fast that some scientists feel there may
be no significant life forms left on Earth within half a decade, because methane is eighty
times more potent than CO, and there's just going to be so much of it that the Earth will
... I mean if the Earth were heated six degrees we're all toast. So are you sort of saying
that maybe we're in for some kind of mass extinction like that and that over a long
lapse of time everything will regrow, and the planet will become hospitable again for
a new proliferation of life? >>Asil: If I were to answer this in a short
way, I would say, yes, that is what I'm being shared. Now, is this dire, or depressing?
Not necessarily. Not necessarily. Like if I look at it from, yes, I love this Earth,
and I love this human experience, and we all love it and all the things that it provides
for us, will it be forever? No, it will not be forever because nothing is really forever,
so far as we have seen. So there will be some sort of completion. Completion of this human
material experience. And after that completion, the Earth will provide, to be the home for
a new form of consciousness that can go through a similar experience as we have.
>>Rick: Well, as Woody Allen said, "I don't mind dying. I just don't want to be there
when it happens." >>Asil: Well, he will be there when he dies.
>>Rick: Yeah. So, I mean, have they given you any kind of timeline?
>>Asil: Between fifty to a hundred years. So some of us will probably be there.
>>Rick: Yeah. All right. Well... >>Asil: It's really hard to imagine, considering
what has transpired this year, that we couldn't have even imagined in our wildest dreams.
What is possible within five, ten, fifteen, twenty years?
>>Rick: Oh yeah. Yeah. You can never, I mean, back in the nineties, there was hardly any
internet. It was just this real fledgling thing and look at how it's changed the world.
>>Asil: Yeah. Totally. We are an ever-changing in incredibly fast-paced change that we're
experiencing. So what I'm being, what I'm being shared with is that now the evolution
of our consciousness is even more important than ever. The evolution as individuals, the
spiritual evolution, but in a now more, maybe more understandable way, the self-realization
of the individual is more important than ever. >>Rick: Here's a quote from your book. You
say, "You will see that the journey to self-realization will be accelerated almost to the detriment
of those who are not yet on this journey. It will be difficult for those to experience
the higher levels of energies coming through this plane. When utilized correctly, it can
lift you up towards the self-realization point. When resisted, it will bring pain and potentially
suffering." >>Asil: Yeah. That's a really good quote.
It's like, if there is a lot of fuel, let's say everything that is energy is a form of
fuel, right? If we learn and understand to ride these waves of energy that can uplift
us, then we are propelled to higher states of consciousness. If we resist it then the
energy becomes almost like you're resisting a big wave that's coming. You can't resist
the wave, ask any surfer. Right? >>Rick: Yeah. I was just thinking of surfing,
you know, and if I go to the beach in Hawaii and I see thirty-foot waves, I'm going to
say, "Uh, I'm not going in the water." But a skilled surfer will say, "Oh, this is a
great day. I'm going out there." >>Asil: Exactly. But you'll also see how they
interact and how they relate to the waves because they have learned to ride them, to
go underneath them. It's also about timing, they're utilizing the energy of the wave to
ride the wave. >>Rick: Yeah. So what you're saying is that
there's an evolutionary wave sweeping the planet, and that we can ride it if we want
to, and perhaps you can elaborate. I mean, obviously all the different types of spiritual
practices that one can do, and putting one's attention on this kind of stuff, those are
ways of riding it. Why don't you elaborate on that, and also elaborate a little bit on
how it is one would resist riding it, and the consequences that might accrue from that.
>>Asil: When this year the pandemic started, a lot of our existing comforts were taken
away, or are being taken away. What we used to rely on to feel safe, is potentially no
longer there, or is being reduced. When our environment changes, our comforts are being
taken away, there's something that comes up, it's a survivalistic need. Right? So how do
we deal with challenges that are indeed threatening our comfort, are threatening our survival?
How are we present in the moment of the challenge? How do we react as a human being? Do we take
it? Do we observe it? Do we learn from it? Are we present? Fully present, with what is
in front of us? Or are we resisting, running, screaming, breaking things, or blaming other
people? How do we deal with this? Because the challenge is just the challenge. Right?
And so what the guides that I work with, they're saying is, you will learn to ride the waves
by facing the challenges with a deeper sense of presence, and a deeper sense of peace.
And that deeper sense of peace comes from inside. No one can give it to you from outside.
And that to me has been the biggest one to embody as well as to deliver. Right? Let's
work on what is inside of you that is not holding you in a place of peace, where you
can face any challenge that is coming your way. If it's a pandemic today, if it's an
earthquake tomorrow, if it's a fire the other day.
>>Rick: Yeah. One other point to throw in here is that my feeling is that, [and] I don't
know if it coincided perfectly with the arrival of the pandemic, but maybe it did, is that,
it was as if a rheostat was being turned up in terms of the amount of voltage or the amount
of energy in the field. And I noticed I started dreaming much more vividly and meditations
became kind of more profound, and also it was something I [and] many people have felt
was going to happen for decades. We've been thinking that something like this might come,
so I'm just using myself as a case in point. Many, many people listening to this can probably
agree that it wasn't a big surprise, and it almost was like, "Oh boy. Finally, this thing
is starting to happen." >>Asil: And it's kind of an opportunity. Now
obviously there are lots of disruptions to various lifestyles. Mine didn't change much
just because of the way I live my life, but it can be very disruptive for many people
with jobs in jeopardy and kids unable to go to school and all that. I don't mean to trivialize
that, but there's definitely something happening in terms of world consciousness or collective
consciousness that is exciting if you sort of see it in the right perspective. And as
a great opportunity for advancement. I'm sorry to talk so long, but I just want to get that
thought out. I absolutely agree with you. And we've faced different forms of challenges
as the human society, and as individuals, continuously we face challenges. That's almost
like it's part of the human experience. Without the challenge, there is very little growth,
and in nature, everything is being challenged, right? Life in nature is continuously being
challenged, which pushes for evolution. It pushes for growth. And here is where the message
is, is rather than suffering in front of the challenge, learn to evolve, learn to be present
to what is happening. >>Rick: Yeah. I think we can't emphasize that
point too often, too many times. I wonder if people listening to this have a question
about this. I'd be interested in hearing what people are thinking. Do you do concur with
what we're saying? Can you relate to it, or do you feel like we're being a little bit
insensitive to people's circumstances? Have you had experiences in your own lives that
kind of help to verify what we're saying in terms of the quickening of your evolution?
It would be interesting to hear what people might say. Okay. So I have a lot of points
in front of me that we can go into, but is there anything on your mind right now that
you feel like would be a good segue that we should shift into in our discussion?
>>Asil: I think we can just continue with your points.
>>Rick: Okay, good. >>Asil: I'm enjoying this. Thanks, Rick.
>>Rick: Yeah, me too. Thank you. So we understand pretty much what you do in terms of towards
the end of this interview, we're going to have you do a channeling thing, and just kind
of demonstrate it. And before we do that, you can tell us whether you want people to
ask questions or how it's going to work. All right. So one major phase of your activity,
and feel free to explain other phases, but you go around to different sacred sites in
the world, and you serve as some kind of a catalyst or something at those sacred sites.
And you have YouTube videos on your channel of yourself going to Jerusalem, or Turkey,
or it looks like Thailand or something. So explain how that works and what the guides
task you with doing, what they ask you to do in that regard.
>>Asil: So there are certain places around the world that are almost like 'nodes,' or
'acupuncture points' of the world. If we would consider that the Earth is a living organism,
has its own energy lines, almost like veins of energy that are moving through the Earth,
[and] at some places these energy lines cross and these nodes are very potent places. Humanity
has recognized that and has built sacred places, temples and churches, and mosques on top of
these spots. And they serve almost like pillars that hold a certain energy, that hold a certain
frequency in that region. Now, some of these places are very well known to humanity, like
the sacred sites places of pilgrimage, and places where important spiritual events have
happened. And other places are known to humanity as places where big trauma has happened.
>>Rick: You mean like Auschwitz or someplace like that?
>>Asil: Exactly. Exactly. Like war zones or concentration camps and things like that.
And sometimes when trauma happens, the energy that is released that doesn't necessarily
automatically or easily move. It requires time to digest and to be processed. It requires
sometimes an acupuncturist to do its work, to move that energy. And it seems that the
guides that I work with can do that work through me when I'm at these places. So they will
tell me, we need you to go to specific places around the world, and we will tell you which
specific sites in these countries you need to go to. So last year I spent most of my
time traveling in the Middle East. And so I went to some of the most sacred places in
the Middle East, sacred to humanity or sacred to the locals that are living there, as well
as to places where I inquired [as to] what was a disruption of energy, a disruption of
the field. And those are places where tragedies happened and where a lot of people died, or
where there was chaos and destruction, and that destructive energy hadn't fully cleared.
And it seems like that's an important part of our collective evolution, to take care
of these places. >>Rick: I had a teacher who used to say that
prisons were very tough knots of stress, like that, in the collective consciousness and
here in the US we have over two million people incarcerated. And if you've ever gone into
a prison, the feeling in there is a really intense, heavy feeling.
>>Asil: It's interesting you bring that up. I have been imprisoned in the Middle East
because of the work that I do. >>Rick: You mean you were thrown in prison
yourself? >>Asil: Yes. And it was at the end of last
year, and it was quite a traumatic experience. Here am I thinking I'm doing good work, helping
humanity and some people don't think that way. They think I'm some sorcerer, doing some
evil work and it was perceived to be a threat, and I was perceived to be a threat to society
and its values, or their values particularly. And I was lucky to get out within ten days,
but it's a timeframe that could have been years.
>>Rick: Well, two questions. One is, do you feel that as you went to these sacred sites
you made a significant difference, and how did you perceive or measure that difference?
I'll just ask that first. And then I have another question after that.
>>Asil: So I perceive that when I go to some of these places, there is a shift in energy
that happens once the work is complete. And the work that happens in those places is almost
like a realignment. It's almost like a cleansing. It's almost like a reconnection to other places
in the world, as well as to higher dimensions, it's almost like, "Oh, we are reactivating
this place. It's been dormant for too long. It was once active and people took care of
it, but now it wasn't anymore. And now it needs to be reactivated." And I do feel the
shift in the energy when I'm at these places. Sometimes there's even maybe coincidental,
but too many times too coincidental there's interesting weather phenomena that happened
when the work completes that would be torrential rain or even hail. There could be interesting
political events that happen once I leave, like shortly after I leave, and it could be
just divine timing, but it could be related to the work that I do. I'm not a hundred percent
sure. The people that come with me to some of these sacred sites, they also feel deeply
tuned in to what is happening there, and they could feel when we start the work that potentially
there is a heaviness about the place, a heaviness that is visceral, that can be described and
felt. And once we finish it there is more lightness to the place that they can also
feel. And that's when we feel complete, and we move on to the next place. Continuous one
thing after another thing. And at times, I think I mentioned to you earlier, I did eleven
countries last year with a hundred and forty sacred sites. And there was a lot of places
to be visited. What the guides say, is when this work is done, that entire region gets
almost an uplift in its frequency, an uplift that provides the fertile soil for spiritual
transformation. Now, the individuals that are receiving the benefit, they don't really
have to know what is causing the benefit itself, but there is a benefit to it when people go
to a mass grave or a place of genocide to clear those energies. It is a work and task
that used to be a lot more valued in the past, and that there is a handful of people that
are still doing this. >>Rick: Yeah, that's interesting. I've interviewed
a couple of people who do that kind of thing. Cynthia Jurs, I don't know if you know her,
but she was given this task by these Tibetan masters of taking these sacred jars and kind
of doing all kinds of blessings on them and stuff and then burying them in certain sacred
sites around the world, and she's been doing that. And another fellow, I forget his name.
What's that guy's name? Who...nah, it will come to me. Maybe Dan can look it up. It's
that fellow who works between Germany and Israel to minimize tensions in the collective
consciousness. I've interviewed him a couple of times. But there are a number of people
who sort of recognize this principle of collective consciousness being like a sponge of some
kind that soaks up stress or tension, and that it has to be relieved. Otherwise, the
whole [of] humanity is dragged down. And also, I think we could say that if this, well, let's
switch metaphors to clouds with static electricity, and then if it builds up to a sufficient degree,
then lightning strikes out. And correspondingly if the stress in collective consciousness
becomes sufficiently saturated, wars can break out, and other extreme things that are much
less a humane way of resolving that stress than the kind of thing you're doing, obviously,
which is to just really dissolve it from a deep level.
>>Asil: I think no one has ever described it as well as you just did.
>>Rick: I'm sure they have. I stand on the shoulders of giants. But another thought that
came to me as you were speaking was, again, this is sort of related, but think how much
stress there is in prisons for instance. We use that example, or in the inner cities of
someplace, or in countries that are like Syria, where they're going through all this terrible
strife, and you go into an atmosphere like that, and it hits you like a ton of bricks.
You can just really feel it. And, you know, one could despair of being able to make a
significant difference in that, just because it's so big, it's so heavy, and who are you
know, little old us to actually make a big difference. But what you're doing I believe,
is like, well, I mentioned, referred to you as a catalyst. A catalyst is something that,
it's a small thing that changes the chemical reaction without it's - you could probably
explain it better, you're the scientist. But it can make a big difference. It's like it
has a leverage on the outcome of a chemical reaction. And so if you can work at a deeper
level, you can have influences at all the more superficial levels, much more effectively
than if you try to work at the superficial levels.
>>Asil: Yes. And both access points are valid, on a superficial level, as well as on the
deeper levels. Which is I believe, why the guides want me to do both, working on individuals
directly, as well as on the land. So different access points. What's interesting is you mentioned
Syria. I went last year to Syria, as well as to Iraq. And it's very difficult to get
into a war zone if you're a civilian, an active war, you know, a still-active place. And I
went there, and I did meet with some healers as well as people that have been consciously
choosing to stay in those places to provide a certain level of light, to provide hope,
to provide healing. And when I arrived and they found out about the fact that I was there
to help, to support, they traveled for hours and hours through a war-torn country to see
me and to receive support. It was the most touching thing I've ever experienced, being
in a country where individuals have consciously chosen to stay because they knew they were
needed there more than ever. >>Rick: Yeah. I did a kind of a similar thing
back in the seventies. I was in the TM transcendental meditation movement, and we had this project
where we went to the most trouble-ridden places in the world. I spent three months in Iran,
meditating most of the day in a large group of people. And other groups went to the Middle
East, and South Africa, where the apartheid situation was really intense, and Central
America and Nicaragua [where] things were stirring up. And, you know, some sociologists
did a lot of research on various measurable trends, such as war deaths and crime rate
and other things and economic indicators. And they did find that there was a correlation
between our presence there and these indicators. >>Asil: I'm familiar with that study. It's
incredible to see that that's possible and it's measurable and it does have an impact
on people that live there. >>Rick: Incidentally, the person whose name
I was trying to remember a few minutes ago, Thomas H bl, he does this thing. Slipping
my mind. And what you said just now, about you're not only working on the specific sacred
sites and the different physical geographic spots, but you also work on individuals, and
obviously that is just as important if not more so, because these individuals are, all
of us are like nodes in a big network and each little node is having a ripple effect
throughout the entire network. So you have to enliven as many nodes as possible, too.
>>Asil: That's exactly right. And initially, I thought, well, what can a single person
like me do in this grand world of billions of people, and how long is it going to take
for me to complete that work? How is that going to work? And eventually, the guides
started to share that more people, more individuals will have to be developed to become pillars
of light. That's literally the term that they used. "Pillars of light." And they've delivered
a form of training course to get people through the processes that I have gone through. Not
exactly the same thing, because not everyone has to do what I'm doing, but to get them
to a place where they become pillars of light, and whatever they choose to do is delivered
with a particular energy, is delivered with a particular frequency in the light.
>>Rick: There's a couple of principles that are interesting here. One is, in the heart,
one percent of the cells are called pacemaker cells, and they have to fire coherently. And
when they do so, the other ninety-nine percent of the cells entrain with them and the whole
heart beats with a proper rhythm. And in a laser, the square root of one percent of the
photons in the laser have to align with one another coherently. And when they do, the
rest of the photons entrain with them, and you get one coherent beam of light. A laser.
So this obviously has a relevance to what we're talking about with individuals and the
rest of humanity. >>Asil: Absolutely. I do see an incredible
ripple effect. I do see a multiplier effect through impacting one individual that is touching
many other individuals, as well as the way it is unconsciously delivered, the way you
just mentioned. Like, "Oh, you are doing the work, but it has a lot more effect than we
can fathom, we can measure. We can't fully understand, but there is an effect, right?"
The way you have described the transcendental meditations.
>>Rick: Well like you were saying in quoting the Dalai Lama, "What we know of ourselves
is just the tip of our pinkie." There's so much more and by doing this deeper work, it's
that so much more that is actually fanning out and permeating the collective consciousness
and creating a shift at a deep level. >>Asil: Yeah, absolutely.
>>Rick: Irene says I'm talking too much. >>Asil: I like you talking, Rick. Irene That's
your job. One of them. >>Rick: One of them. All right. I think we've
covered that point pretty well. So let's cover some of the, kind of more human stuff. I mean,
people are concerned about health, both mental and physical, and facing various challenges
and difficulties in life and relationships and that kind of stuff. And so I know that
a large portion of your book is dedicated to addressing those concerns, and it consists
primarily of transcripts of actual channeled sessions that you've done on various topics,
usually in response to questions people have asked. But what comes to mind when I mention
those topics, what would you like to tell people about some of those things?
>>Asil: I'd say that we are in this human experience and we have various forms of misalignments.
And I find perfection in the imperfection of the human experience. So there is some
beauty to it. And if we dedicate ourselves to finding more alignment in our mental constructs,
finding more alignment in our emotional, as well as our physical constructs, then we're
able to reach even higher states of consciousness. We're able to reach altered states of consciousness
where we can tap into the innate power of this human form, and a deeper connection to
Earth. So in both directions, right? And as we are more aligned, we can receive more.
And the energy that flows between, let's say the universe through the Earth, can flow through
us, because we are conduits in the midst of that, right? So the more we are aligned, the
better that energy flows, and that increases our quality of life, that increases our peace
within, that increases our presence within. And that allows for self-healing capabilities
to arise, and that allows for better relationships, and that allows for better conscious decisions
to be made. >>Rick: Yeah. That's a good answer. Before
we started, I asked you if you were married and you said, no, but you were just sort of
coming out of a relationship and that the breakup has been kind of difficult for you.
And you said I could ask you about this. >>Asil: Sure.
>>Rick: People might wonder, well, gee, if this guy is having such profound experiences
and he's talking to the ascended masters and all if he can't manage to get a relationship
right, what hope is there for the rest of us?
>>Asil: Oh my gosh. Um, let's see. >>Rick: And I should let you off the hook
a little bit in saying that maybe not all relationships are meant to last, just as not
all relationships with a guru are meant to last. Some gurus are like transitional teachers,
and we might move on to a different one and then we've learned what we need to learn with
this one. And maybe now it's time to learn something new with somebody else.
>>Asil: Thank you for that. Thank you. It's really interesting, in this human experience
we do a lot of things in order to develop, in order to grow. So it could be like we grow
our mental capacity, or we grow our physical body by exercising and some individuals have
done a lot of relational work in order to grow the emotional capacity. And in my personal
journey, I've done a lot of the spiritual work. I've done a lot of the mental work and
the emotional part has been a bit, let's say lagging behind, right? So in this relationship,
I've discovered in all the ways that I had parts of me that weren't fully taken care
of yet. I think a relationship is an incredibly strong mirror to look at those parts within,
and you may have the most perfect and the most amazing partner, and most likely that
partner is the one that triggers you the most. That just gets to the places that are still
slightly out of alignment. Right? And so this has been a bit of my journey, where I thought,
okay, spiritual development alone cannot be done in a silo, it cannot be done in isolation.
There is a holistic way of growth that we, as a human being have to go through, that
includes the human heart, that includes the emotional heart, and that is How do I relate
to myself? How do I relate to others? And in which ways have I carried the wounds of
many, many generations before me into this very moment? And how do I carry, to some degree,
a responsibility to transform the wounds of the many generations before me? Right? So
that is a bit like the journey that I've been going through. LIke, "What am I resisting
in this relationship, and where do I need to take responsibility? And where can I learn?
Where can I grow?" And as you said, some relationships are meant to last for a period of time or
to bring a specific knowledge to us, a specific piece of wisdom and then we continue.
>>Rick: Yeah. And that of course is not to say that as soon as the going gets rough,
that one should say, "All right, well, this one isn't meant to last. I'm moving on," because
then you become the dilettante. You know, you never go deep. You're just always hopping
from one thing to another chasing the, chasing the romance phase, and the rush of that.
>>Asil: That's really fascinating because a couple of times in this relationship particularly,
I have tried to, I was like, okay, I'm done. This is just, this is too much, I have more
important things to do, you know, more important things. And I'll just do something else. And
luckily, I'm very lucky that I have the guides, and in that sense, and they would say, "No,
you're not finished yet with this relationship. You have to go deeper in. There is an important
learning for you to get, and you can only get this in the full surrender to another
human being, in the full surrendering of your heart, not even to them," which is really
interesting because they say there is a specific design between two human beings that is almost
greater, greater than our connection to the universe.
>>Rick: Interesting. Did they elaborate on that point?
>>Asil: There is a part that we can truly only fully explore and learn from, in relationship
to another human being. A type of love that will be displayed in this human experience
with another human being. And it cannot be replaced or compensated by a spiritual connection
that we have. >>Rick: Yeah. I think that's true. I mean,
just as your spiritual connection isn't going to take the place of food or exercise or anything
else. There are certain things you can only get through the human experience. One point
that I often mentioned in interviews is that I'm always very reluctant to use the word
enlightenment because it has this sort of static, superlative connotation. But if I
were to use it at all, I would want to reserve it for a state which was very holistically
developed. In other words, not that you had this super consciousness, but you were sort
of a schmuck in terms of your behavior, but rather that consciousness fully developed,
senses fully refined, emotions fully blossomed. Just sort of ethical behavior, very ethically
clean, just all the various facets of intellect, very sharp, just all the different facets
of our being fully enriched. And I think that that term if we're going to use it at all,
ought to be reserved for a state like that, which is very rare compared with just this
awakening or that awakening that people say they have.
>>Asil: It's very well said. I do truly believe in the holistic way of being. And I also believe
in the level and the depth of presence that one can display in the moment. Right? In whichever
way I'm not present, there is still a bit of work to do.
>>Rick: Absolutely. Yeah. >>Asil: There is still a bit more alignment
to do. >>Rick: Yeah. And if you're still breathing,
chances are there's still work to do. >>Asil: I agree.
>>Rick: We're all works in progress. One thought that occurred to me as you were speaking a
minute ago is that I bet you that just about everybody is channeling some guide at times,
but most people don't realize it. I feel that way in my own life. I don't have any conscious
communication with guides the way you do, but I often feel guided, and I feel like it's
bigger than my intelligence that's nudging me this way and that. And I have friends who
claim to be able to see these subtle guides and all, just hovering around people, sort
of influencing them in some way. So I don't know. You want to comment on that point.
>>Asil: So in this term of "trance channeling," there are a lot of ways we can channel intelligence
that's beyond the conscious aware mind. And one of the first steps is actually channeling
one's own intuition. Channeling one's innate higher self. Channeling maybe an innate intelligence
or guidance of the universe, or of the Earth, right? There's multiple layers of non-material
consciousness that we can actually channel more into our being existence. That doesn't
have to be a guide and guides that we work with, speak with, just the way I do, but there
is multiple different ways of doing that. And they're all equally powerful, and equally
valid. So, that's why say I say I have a specific role to play, but not everyone is going to
have to play that role. There's many ways of guidance.
>>Rick: You know, another point that would be good to bring in is that if we look at
Vedanta and some of the more ultimate teachings of spirituality, they say that we are the
totality, we are Brahman, that's what we are. And so we are the vast wholeness that contains
everything, and therefore contains universes, and therefore contains guides and archangels
and whomsoever they may be. And so in a sense, you're not interacting with something external
to yourself. In the highest sense, this whole everything that everybody experiences, you
included, with your channeling procedure, is something that's happening within yourself.
Self with a capital 'S.' >>Asil: It's well said. And I can totally
see that perspective. I don't know how much of a difference it makes in the work that
I do. It may be that the work that I do will change and will transform. And I can see that
there is a greater intelligence that could very well be part of who I am and what I am.
There's one thing that the guides have shared, which is that we are all part of the same
fabric, which they consider to be "grand consciousness." And grand consciousness itself does not carry
consciousness. It's the dissolution of consciousness. >>Rick: I'm not sure what you mean by that.
>>Asil: In the sense of, that grand consciousness itself is not aware of its own existence.
It's dissolution of existence. It is the dissolution of self-awareness. You're able to be holding
all of consciousness, including our specialized human experience and the angels and the archangels
and so on. >>Rick: So to become aware of its own existence,
it needs to diversify. Right? >>Asil: Correct. Exactly.
>>Rick: And so we are 'it,' being aware of its own existence?
>>Asil: Exactly. That's exactly right. >>Rick: Yeah. In fact, some people sort of
go through this cosmology of how the universe emerges in the first place, that the sort
of primordial field of being is consciousness, but it's not conscious, but then it becomes
conscious and then the only thing for it to be conscious of is itself because it's the
only thing down there. And so then when it becomes conscious of itself, then this sort
of whole diversity begins to spring up and get more and more and more elaborate and the
whole universe unfolds. It's interesting. >>Asil: Yeah. Yeah. It's really a fascinating
place to be going to and it becomes harder and harder to put into words the further out
you go, as you know. It becomes incomprehensible, inexpressible, and language almost doesn't
do it justice. >>Rick: Yeah, that's true, but it's fun to
play around with. >>Asil: It totally is fun to play around
>>Rick: And kind of stretches you to try. >>Asil: I love people to have personal, direct,
spiritual experiences. >>Rick: Yeah. I mean, that's what it's ultimately
all about. You can starve to death reading a restaurant menu. You have to eat the food.
>>Asil: Well said. >>Rick: Here's a question that came in from
Dan in London. We were sort of a little apocalyptic earlier in our conversation like we're all
gonna be leaving this planet, and Dan asks, "Will spiritual truths ever be known and accepted
in the mainstream, by the majority of people on the planet? Will this ever happen while
we are still here?" >>Asil: I think it will inevitably be happening.
The reason I say that is, if we are challenged strong enough, we will look for answers in
places that we haven't looked before. We will try to consider other perspectives. We will
try to consider the totality of humanity's perspectives, not just a single direction
that we have been following. And that will include the spiritual perspective as an important
element of making sense of what we are experiencing, of making sense of our reality. So I do perceive
that part of what Dan is asking about will come.
>>Rick: Yeah, it's a good point. As long as you think you have it all figured out, you
don't look for answers, but you know, when the things you think you knew fall short of
satisfactory, when they just don't provide the solutions you'd hope for, then you have
to dig deeper. And I think we're experiencing that in a collective way right now.
>>Asil: Absolutely. >>Rick: Yeah. So you wanted to do a kind of
a channeling thing during this interview, and I don't know exactly how you're going
to do that, but let's do it. One thing to note, if people haven't seen you do this before
is that you do a lot of mudras and movements and stuff while you're doing it. And so just
so people understand, maybe you should explain exactly what you're going to do and what people
will see. >>Asil: I can. So basically, in the beginning,
there is some shaking in my body that happens to convulsions in my lower belly. And there
are some important energy centers that are basically building up energy, it's almost
like an engine that's starting. I'm not having an epileptic seizure. It's just the warmup
of my body, building up, building up, building up for this energy to circulate in my system.
My body will just make these almost circular movements and eventually, the energy will
build up enough and strong enough for the embodiment to happen. It's almost like they
require my vessel to be in a certain state before they embody. Right? It's like the race
car driver will only get in the car if it's perfectly warmed up and if it's perfectly
maintained and so on. So in some ways, I perceive myself like a race car, as odd as it sounds.
So I have to do a lot for maintenance, I have to do a lot for warmup and so on and so forth.
And when it's well-tuned, it'll go very well. And that's what I've been witnessing. So there
is some shaking, there is some mudras, and eventually, my body will sink down, and then
it will be coming back up. That's when the embodiment has happened, and that's when the
embodied being will speak. >>Rick: Good. All right. So you don't need
any questions or anything. You'll just come out with whatever you come out with.
>>Asil: Yeah. Let's do that. And at times, sometimes, they will offer for questions.
So if you have something that you'd like to know...
>>Rick: Maybe I'll have something based on what you say. Otherwise, maybe people will
send in a question, but if they're going to send in a question, they should send it in
quickly, because otherwise, if there's a big delay, you might be finished by the time we
get their question. >>Asil: Yeah, possibly. Or you'll just come
up with whatever comes to you. Right? So I'll say also that this spoken channeling is one
part of it. The other part is which we're not going to do here today but that we do
in my transmissions on a regular basis is an energetic transfer. It's an alignment that
they provide for the mental, the emotional, the physical, as well as the energetic body.
And that is delivered to, sometimes hundreds or thousands of people at a time, when this
work is being done. >>Rick: Do you do those online as well as
in person? >>Asil: In person, not so much anymore lately.
We used to. Now everything has moved online, and it is, according to the reports, as effective
as the in-person sessions. And it allows people to do it from their meditation room, right?
The comfort of their meditation rooms. So we'll do the spoken channeling part, but even
in that place, people will feel some sort of energetic shift, or at least I invite you
to observe if that is arising for you. >>Rick: Should people keep their eyes open,
close their eyes, or what? >>Asil: Whichever you like. For some people,
it is easier to go into a meditative state when they close their eyes. And for some people,
it is more interesting to watch. Which I can totally relate to. Emmanuel Greetings. My
name is Emmanuel. If you have come to this gathering, you seek answers that are within
you. Your existence in human form has separated you from all of existence for a moment, to
have this temporary experience, to witness separation, to witness individuality, to witness
the spectrum of human experience, the spectrum of this material reality, the spectrum of
emotions individualized through you. In your human experience, you become the extension
of the human collective An experiment conducted through you. Learnings derived through your
experiences. Realizations driven by your search for truth. The separation and reconnection
to all of existence will happen in continuous cycles. The immediate cycle that you experience
is the entirety of a lifetime. Bigger cycles are the creation of entire forms of consciousness
and the dissolution and integration of this formed consciousness into other levels, other
forms of consciousness of greater kind. All of consciousness lives and exists within what
we consider the grand consciousness of existence. You are part of this, and your existence in
itself is unique. Your experience in this totality of existence is unique. Your learnings
and realizations are unique. Therefore, all of your experiences are valid and true. Your
perspectives, your judgments, and your emotions are equally valid and true. Your unique perspective
cannot be recreated. It is momentary only through you. Yet in this formulation of your
perspective, in this formulation of your reality, you learn, you grow, and you evolve, as well
as all of human consciousness does. Everything that you perceive, everything that you realize,
returns to the collective, and it becomes your service to the collective. It becomes
your service to your self. Your dedication for growth, your request for answers, your
continuous search and innate desire to self-realize is intrinsic to you, intrinsic to the human
experience. And in this growth process, you move closer to self-realization, one of the
primary objectives in the human experience. The self-realization of the individual, your
journey, unique to you yet innately driving your evolution, innately driving the evolution
and expansion of consciousness. Thank you for choosing to be on this journey. Thank
you for receiving the support that is provided to you by other human beings, by other beings
of non-material kind, by forms of consciousness that are in support of your existence, creative,
as well as destructive forces, all of which serve this existence that you're currently
in. Learn from everything that is within your reality. Even the experiences that you judge
to be difficult, to be bad, to be challenging to your core, are experiences to be cherished,
are experiences to learn from. The beauty of human experience, the beauty of the human
form is a gift to you. It is a gift to your soul, that has chosen the human experience
as a valid form of learning, growth, and evolution. While the human collective will learn, your
soul will learn as well, in the process of your human experience. Thank you for listening
to my words. I will now answer some of your questions.
>>Rick: There's a machine operating outside, so we're going to hear a little background
noise. First, an individual question from Risa in Portland, Oregon. She asks, "I'm wondering
what the guides counsel, in terms of health. I have been having a challenge for several
months and have tried various practitioners. Now I am focusing on meditation and prayer
for guidance." Emmanuel In the human form, every single human being will experience misalignments
of sorts. These misalignments are part of the journey of learning to understand this
vessel that you have been gifted. Some of these misalignments are part of the experiments
of evolution conducted through each individual, every new being that is entering this plane.
These misalignments of the physical form have answers. To be realigned some of the answers
are within your conscious awareness as a human collective. Some of these answers can be delivered
in support of realignment and healing. Some of the answers require deeper contemplation,
deeper reflection, and an alignment of the other parts of your being. The mental, the
emotional, as well as the energetic body have an immediate and direct impact on the physical
manifestation of your form. Healing, therefore, happens on multiple layers of your existence.
A holistic approach is therefore more likely to bring the answers that you seek for the
alignment that is required. >>Emmanuel: It is not "either/or," but it
is all of the approaches that are provided to you. A combination, a complimentary experience
to feed and to provide everything that this vessel of yours requires, desires, and innately
knows to need. In moments of silence of your mind and of your heart, you will hear the
innate needs of this body, you will hear the innate needs of the heart, and of this energetic
spiritual construct that is within you. And you will follow that which arises within you.
Put aside the doubts and the fears, the worries, and the concerns that you hold about the directions
that are provided to you. Embrace and try. Let the methods that you try impact you fully
and receive as you deserve to receive. Thank you for your question. What else can I answer
for you? >>Rick: This is from me. You spoke of the
individual and the collective, and I get the sense you're saying that the individual is
like a sense-organ of the collective, like a sense-organ of the infinite. Saint Teresa
of Avila said that it appears that God himself is on the journey. And a friend of mine, Tim
Friedkin, the UK, is always saying these days that God is growing, or God is evolving and
that's what the universe is, is the entirety of God becoming more than he was at the outset
of creation. So, I know it's a bit of a philosophical question, but I'm wondering if you concur
with those perspectives and that we are just participants in the evolution of God himself,
in this whole process of creation? >>Emmanuel: You are indeed the participant,
and yet you're also the centerpiece of this evolution, of this experience of realization.
Your realization truly carries the highest priority, the highest importance to the realization
of the collective. The collective cannot realize without you; therefore you are more than just
a participant. You are the one to drive the realization of the collective. You are the
one that truly can make the difference. While not every single individual requires to realize,
as many individuals that seek this journey and follow the self-realization path, the
entire human collective will be impacted in a way that all individuals will receive the
benefit of the realizations of everyone. As a soul container that has chosen the human
experience, your soul as well improves and evolves in the human experience that you have
chosen to have. Through the evolution and the realization of the human collective, all
forms of consciousness evolve. Evolution on an individual level has a ripple effect and
a connected nature to all of consciousness. You are the representation of all of consciousness
in this very moment. Thank you for your question. >>Rick: Asil mentioned earlier in this conversation
that humanity's days seem to be numbered. That maybe in fifty or a hundred years there
won't be human life on this planet anymore. And some scientists would concur with that
climatologists in particular. And I always think a lot about the world as a whole and
humanity as a whole and feel a concern for it and try to do what I can to contribute
to its betterment. I'm wondering if what Asil said is a done deal? If that's really the
way it has to go, or whether there's some wiggle room, and if we play our cards right
as a species, human life won't be exterminated from the planet.
>>Emmanuel: Life on this planet has a timeline. The existence on this plane has a time for
completion. A cycle that requires to be completed cannot be avoided. Yet the process for evolution
will continue in this form as well as other forms after the completion of this human form.
The learnings until the completion of this human experience are still valid and important.
Your realizations, your awakening to understanding, the part and responsibility that you play
in conjunction and in collaboration with this planet, with the ecosystem, the connection,
the love, and the compassion with other human beings, are a still a relevant aspect of your
evolution. All efforts towards a balanced, harmonious, peaceful life within yourself
and with this planet, with all beings alive on this plane, are efforts worthwhile and
critical for the evolution of your consciousness. The survival of the species is an important
driving force that is innately embedded within your existence yet it is not the outcome of
the highest benefit. The benefit itself will be the evolution and the maturation of your
consciousness, the continuation of your existence. Even if it is perceived as unknown and uncertain
at this point for you, you will find comfort in knowing and understanding that you as an
individualized consciousness will continue to exist and new opportunities, new forms
of experiences will be opened up for you. New opportunities to learn, other forms of
connection, other forms of interaction, and relation will be formed in this new form of
existence beyond this material form that you have inhabited for many generations. It will
have served and completed its purpose to bring you to where you are. Thank you for your question.
What else can I answer for you? >>Rick: Perhaps one more question. You mentioned
individualized consciousness. When some enlightened beings describe their experience, they can
almost hardly be said to have individualized consciousness. Someone like Ramana Maharshi,
and some schools of thought say that when an enlightened being drops the body, they
just blend into the ocean of consciousness like a drop into the actual ocean, and they
no longer exist in any way, shape, or form. And yet, guides such as yourself seem to be
enlightened beings, and I know actually many people who have had encounters with Ramana
Maharshi since he died, and others with Jesus or Buddha, and so on. So my question is, do
enlightened beings continue to exist on higher planes or maybe some do and some actually
do merge into the absolute and cease to exist in any functional way?
>>Emmanuel: An individual human being experiencing enlightenment as a stage of their evolution
will continue to exist in all the forms they have experienced individuality in human form,
yet the increased frequency of their being truly is submerged in all of human consciousness.
Their existence, and the purpose that they have fulfilled to increase the realization,
as well as the frequency level of human consciousness is fulfilled. They can choose to continue
to exist in non-material form as the individual that they have lived, as any of the individuals
that they have lived. They may choose to represent themselves in certain occasions to provide
assistance and support, interventions, and divine presence. It is not a requirement,
yet it is a form of service, a continued service of an enlightened being to humanity. The submersion
into all of human consciousness in itself is the dissolution of the individualized experiences
into all of experiences ever had. The beauty of the individual itself can and will continue,
even within the context of the human collective, as you will continue after the completion
of this lifetime, all experiences ever had, all emotions and memories ever arisen will
be there for you, as well as for all of human collective to refer to, to re-experience and
to witness again. You continue to exist beyond this lifetime. Thank you for your question.
>>Rick: Thank you. I think no further questions at this time. That's really sweet. We really
appreciated hearing what you had to say. Emmanuel Thank you for listening to our words.
>>Rick: Thanks Asil. >>Asil: Thank you, Rick.
>>Rick: Do you feel drained, or energized, after you do that?
>>Asil: There's definitely a level of energy that's moving through me. I definitely feel
altered. So I'm in a half-asleep, half-awake state, trying to come back into my own body.
So it's a really interesting experience. It used to be a lot more difficult to return.
It was a lot more draining in the past. Sometimes I would channel for ten, fifteen minutes and
be knocked out for three days. And it changed. As the vessel developed more and more it became
more adept to this switch of, on and on. >>Rick: I just want to say that that seems
typical of all kinds of spiritual development where initially it's like on or off, and then
eventually it gets integrated where you can be running through a busy airport and yet
in a very profound state of consciousness that originally you can only access in deep
meditation or something. >>Asil: Absolutely correct. And in the beginning,
it used to take me forty-five minutes or so to just get into that state.
>>Rick: I'm glad you moved beyond that stage. >>Asil: It was like, yeah, totally. It was
like there was a group of people waiting for me to get into state and now it goes really
quickly. And in fact, I feel like I have this continuous connection in which I can inquire,
even when I'm in the supermarket. Should I eat this or not?
>>Rick: That's great. >>Asil: But in the sense of these deeper conversations,
they want to make sure that the totality of my consciousness isn't flavoring that which
is being delivered. So there's a bit of a distinction, when I go into the state, when
I deliver the work publicly or in a group setting, then I take the time to really get
into that deep state. >>Rick: Yeah. That's why you went through
so much preparation, even in the early days when this first began to happen it was several
years before you were able to do anything publicly.
>>Asil: Exactly. >>Rick: Yeah. And I wonder what you think.
I've interviewed a bunch of channelers and there's a bunch I wouldn't want to interview
exactly. But, it's a kind of a mixed field in terms of how genuine and prepared a lot
of people are I think. I think there's some genuine ones, but then there's a lot of people
who just get into it and who knows exactly what they're saying or on whose behalf.
>>Asil: That is absolutely true. And I have to say before this started on me, I had never
read a book of a channeling in my life. I knew they existed, but it was not relevant
to me. And I can relate to the idea, especially for example, if I'm mentally too busy, or
if I'm emotionally stirred up, then the guides will not embody, and they will not talk. They
say, you have to deal with your human side first before we can work through you. Wow.
This is how much effort it takes to actually be in a good state in order to be able to
deliver the work. And you are absolutely right, that in the different states of trans-channeling,
which goes all the way from intuition to completely being unconscious of what's happening
as the person delivering, right? So you'll see some of these Mongolian shamans that don't
remember what happened after they have like embodied. So that's like the most extreme.
I'd say I'm a couple of ticks below that extreme, but there's many in the spectrum, right? And
so depending on where you deliver, sometimes there is flavoring of the ego. There is flavoring
of the personal individual that is speaking. >>Rick: Remember what Jesus said about "not
pouring new wine into old wineskins." >>Asil: That makes total sense.
>>Rick: Yeah. Got to prepare the vessel. And I think that's true, not only of channeling
but of the whole spiritual enterprise. I mean, all the thing is really about fine-tuning
this instrument so that it can be a fit body, embodier, or reflector of the divine.
>>Asil: And so in that sense, I try, or we try, as a group, as a not-for-profit organization,
to deliver this work and its most pure and its most authentic way. And for that, we have
to make sure that all the circumstances are as perfect as possible, right? It's almost
like you're conducting something so sacred that you want to make sure that everyone receives
it in its utmost purity. >>Rick: I really appreciate and respect that.
I was a meditation teacher for many years, and we had that point drilled into us also
in our training, that we really have to be a fit mouthpiece for the teaching and not
color it with our individualism. So that's great. Kind of a quality control thing. I
wish all teachers had that sort of work ethic, it would prevent a lot of heartbreak and confusion.
>>Asil: I agree. I agree, and even in the heartbreak and confusion is learnings to be
had, and we are continuously evolving as a species, as individuals as well. And what's
interesting is, it's putting a really high bar in terms of integrity for us. And we are
on top of that as an organization trying to put an even higher bar for ourselves in terms
of integrity, in terms of doing what we say and really meaning what we say and delivering
on what we promised and so on and so forth. And that's a hard walk to walk, you know,
or hard talk to walk. >>Rick: That's great. I helped to found an
organization a few years ago called the Association for Spiritual Integrity. I'll send you some
information about it afterwards. You might like to join. It's no big obligation or anything,
but you'd be a nice person to have involved. >>Asil: Thank you very much, Rick.
>>Rick: You're very welcome. For others who are curious, it's spiritualintegrity.org.
You can find it. Alrighty. So I'm going to just show your website on the screen here
asiltoksal.com Why don't you summarize for us how people listening to this can plug into
your work? >>Asil: So we have, on a regular basis, donation-based
transmissions that happen normally on Saturdays. Then we have all of the past transcripts and
all of the sessions that have ever happened, live and free available in archives on our
website and our YouTube and so on. And then we are doing various types of courses. For
example, a course that would go along with the book that allows people to reflect as
well as have some live channelings that allows them to go deeper with the book. And then
we have the course and the training, which is a three-level course. And the next one
starts in January. It is a deeper dive into internal, spiritual excavations, from emotional
to mental, physical, and on this journey a group of individuals will go through to become
a Pillar of Light. And while some of them already are Pillars of Light, some of them
already are in service, they will be even more fine-tuned and even more supported to
become even more aligned, more pure, more compassionate, more loving in the service
that they provide so that they don't feel they're alone in the service that they're
providing. >>Rick: Are they trained to do what you do,
like channeling? Or different things? >>Asil: Different things. They could be healers,
or they could be businessmen. They could be parents, but to their presence comes a new
level of depths, a new level of peace, right? So, I'll say that many people that go through
our courses develop what we call spiritual gifts that arise. When we come into a deeper
alignment, certain things will arise. You know that from meditation, right? The more
you do that, certain things will start to open up. And that is the same thing that happens
with a lot of the people that joined this journey.
>>Rick: That's great. Well, thanks so much for all you're doing. It's wonderful that
there are people like you doing this kind of thing. And of course, there are all kinds
of people around the world as this show attempts to highlight, and we're all one big team.
And I think the world would be in dire straits if there weren't people doing all this. So
I really appreciate the part you're playing. >>Asil: Thank you very much, Rick. And I'll
say the same to you, and I mean, you guys are doing amazing work and an amazing service
to humanity. >>Rick: Thanks. Well, I really appreciate
you coming on and hope to meet you in person one of these days when people start meeting
other people in person, again. Hopefully, that won't be too far off. I really enjoyed
my time with you. >>Asil: Thank you very much, Rick.
>>Rick: Yeah. And to those who have been listening or watching, this is, as you must know, part
of an ongoing series, so go to bat gap.com and check the menus, see what's there. And
also if you wish, subscribe on YouTube, we appreciate having more subscribers. So thanks
for listening and watching. Next week I don't have an interview, but I'll be actually playing
a recording of a talk that Swami Sarvapriyananda gave to that organization that I just mentioned,
the organization for the Association for Spiritual Integrity, about the importance of ethics
on the spiritual path. So we'll be playing that next week. The following week will be
Dean Radin of the Institute of Noetic Sciences, and many more to come. So stay tuned. Thanks,
Asil. >>Asil: Thank you, Rick!
>>Rick: Salk to you later. >>Asil: Talk to you, soon! Bye.
>>Rick: Bye-bye!
