Artificial Intelligence and Its Impacts on Humanity (Prof. John Lennox)

[Music] hello i'm joel woodruff president of the cs lewis institute and it's my pleasure to welcome you to this csli event with dr john lennox titled artificial intelligence or a.i and his impact on humanity due to a five-hour time difference between the u.s and the uk we pre-recorded our interview with dr lennox thus i can tell you with confidence that you were in for a wonderful evening as dr lennox provides a helpful introduction to the world of a.i how it impacts our lives today and what we need to be aware of in the future he also does an excellent job of helping those of us who are followers of jesus christ thoughtfully think and pray through our response to some of the challenges of artificial general intelligence or agi he also will deal with some of the foundational philosophical and theological issues that need to be addressed as it pertains to a biblical definition of human nature the sanctity and dignity of human life and some of the possible dangers of agi as it relates to 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name amen now let's go to our pre-recorded interview with dr john lennox hello i'm joel woodruff president of the cs lewis institute and i'd like to welcome you to this csli virtual event titled artificial intelligence or a.i and its impact on humanity with dr john lennox dr lennox is a professor of mathematics emeritus at the university of oxford he's also a fellow in mathematics in the philosophy of science he's also a pastoral advisor at green templeton college in oxford it's a prolific author writing such a claim book says cosmic chemistry do god in science mix and he has a recent book 2084 artificial intelligence and the future of humanity john has lectured extensively in north america and in eastern and western europe on mathematics and the philosophy of science and is known for some of his public debates with some of the new atheists like richard dawkins and christopher hitchens john's married to sally they have three grown children and 10 grandchildren and we're just thrilled again to have uh dr john lennox with us here at the cs lewis institute it's always a pleasure uh having time with him and we're looking forward uh to our discussion today so i'd like to welcome you john to our our time together thanks so much joel it's always a pleasure to do anything for the cs lewis institute and particularly for you ah well thanks john appreciate that we really uh appreciate your friendship and just the blessing you've been to all of us here uh during our time together i know that uh we're going to be looking at a complex topic of artificial intelligence we might not be able to obviously cover it exhaustively but our hope is that as we have a discussion today that'll kind of wake in a all of our interests and help us to go more deeply into this topic because it's certainly something that impacts our future so let me just begin our time when i think of the term artificial intelligence i'm tempted to think about opposites something like true or natural intelligence being someone like c.s lewis and me being artificial intelligence but i know that's not exactly what we're we're talking about here today uh john can you maybe define for us give us a definition for artificial intelligence or ai artificial intelligence essentially comes in two forms and it's very important to distinguishing the first one is usually called narrow and then there's artificial general intelligence or agi now narrow ai is the stuff of which we're really familiar it's the stuff that's working today and agi is much more speculative so let's think a bit about narrow ai the word narrow refers the fact that a narrow ai system does typically one single thing that normally requires human intelligence to do so let me give you an example of that let's take x-rays in this age of covered a lot of x-rays of people's lungs are being taken so we have a huge database consisting of say a million pictures of x-rays of lungs and they've been labeled by top doctors with the diseases the pictures represent and then we have a computer a powerful computer and suppose an x-ray is taken of my lungs and what happens is this ai system compares it's got an algorithm a procedure that automatically compares the picture of my lungs with the million pictures in the database and does that very quickly and it comes out with the diagnosis that i've got this or that disease and these days that kind of system is proving very effective indeed and generally speaking the result is better than you will get from your local doctor so that's a typical ai system now the word artificial needs to be taken seriously the machine is not intelligent it simply does what is programmed to do it simulates intelligence and that's the important thing it doesn't think it simply does what is built into its program but the result is what you'd normally get by using human intelligence so as one um famous early scientist in this field said the word artificial in artificial intelligence is real it's really artificial so that's the first kind and we're familiar with it by the way in our smartphones are constantly suggesting to us that we bought this book and we might be interested in that book and amazon search engine is guided by ai which is picking up a trail of all our purchases and then picking through all its catalog and the algorithm then spits out what we might be interested in so we're all extremely familiar with this kind of thing and we cooperate with it even though it's tracing our position and so on and so forth facial recognition is another example of the type of technology i'm talking about and we'll come to that in a moment because it very rapidly raises massive ethical problems i often say that artificial intelligence is like old technology it's like a knife a really sharp knife you can use it for surgery or you can use it for murder and there's a downside to ai that you might want to investigate but before we leave the generality let's let's think a bit about artificial general intelligence and as the name suggests the idea here is to create a machine which can do everything that normally requires human intelligence and do it better and do it faster and so here we're in the realm of the attempt to create a super intelligence now there are various directions in research two main ones the first one is to try to enhance existing humans to make them super intelligent by blending them with technology and turning them into a kind of cyborg which a lot of people favor and some folks speculate that one day we will merge with the machines the other way is to try to start from scratch and remove the dependence on biological material and try to as people say upload the contents of our minds onto some durable material like silicon and something like that there's huge amount of hype and so this is the kind of speculative stuff that is loved by the makers of science fiction films and the authors of sci-fi books but i take it seriously in my book because many leading scientists are taking it seriously just to give one particular example our astronomer royal one of our very top scientists lord reece says that we can have zero confidence that the dominant intelligences a few centuries hence will have any emotional resonance with us even though they may have an algorithmic understanding of how we behaved and he's suggesting in the far future it won't be the minds of humans but those are machines that will most fully understand the cosmos and because leading scientists like lord reece are talking like this i think it's very important for us to think about the implications of this kind of thing although it may be many years away it often amuses me that whenever i ask people or read how long it will be until the so-called singularity occurs that is when the machines will take over it's always about 30 to 50 years hence and that's been true for quite some time so we've got these two kinds joel nano ai which is up and working at the moment with great benefits in the one hand and negatives on the other which you can ask about if you wish and then agi which is largely speculative but towards which quite a number of people are going because they see mega dollars in it for in the first place so it does it's it this is a good way i think of of understanding the the differences this this narrow ai it does seem like something we all encounter in everyday life and and i don't always like it when uh amazon's telling me what i should buy next but it is amazing how they can see my interests just from those algorithms and things of that nature so we obviously are being impacted by that um maybe a way angle would like to look at it because you mentioned the um science fiction world in the 20th century their authors like aldous huxley wrote a brave new world george orwell wrote 1984 which i think yearbook 2084 is kind of taking a spin off of that title but it seems like in the 20th century they were while dreaming up of some of the technology they were also addressing some of the ethical possible ethical issues that could be harmful these worlds they created some dystopian rather than utopian what impact do you think these kinds of novels in the 20th century had on just where we are today and they're getting us to where we are in the world today did they have an impact i think they they had a pretty considerable impact really and it's very interesting that you you would raise those novels um george orwell and aldous huxley took a very different attack on these things and one of the things is that the idea of big data that george orwell envisaged in 1984 the idea that big brother is watching you and surveillance technology and it's very important to realize that he saw this kind of stuff and so it's it's extreme danger and incidentally i should make the record straight the title 2084 does indeed come from spinning off orwell's book but it wasn't my idea it was the idea of a colleague of pride who's a very well-known atheist who's debated b on several occasions the oxford chemistry professor peter atkinson he when he heard i was writing this he said i've got a title for you so i do acknowledge him in the in the beginning of that book so it's very important that ethical issue that's raised of course is the invasion of privacy and i noticed that when you referred to amazon you said you didn't quite like them doing that now this is actually a doorway into a huge problem it's a huge problem in several directions let me first of all talk about it more in terms of western economies where there's vast money to be made in the following way and i call it surveillance capitalism which is the title of a book by a brilliant uh emerita professor susannah zhubov at mit and she points out that what is happening with these powerful search engines is they're harvesting data about you and me and what we don't often realize is they're selling it off to third parties without our permission and so it is a real invasion of privacy and her book is being taken extremely seriously by major players in the world economy and of course the interesting thing is here we are we have our smartphones and they are tracking us they're harvesting information where we go how we make they might even be listening to our conversations who knows and yet we do this voluntarily and someone has made the point isn't it odd that we invite a spy into our houses because our so-called digital assistants like alexa and siri and all these kind of things again who knows what's going on behind the scenes so that presents a real problem but then going back to orwell and his big brother is watching you idea there we have surveillance and surveillance i often call it communism but it's not only in communist countries but it's well known in china that surveillance technology is being used for purposes that i find frankly very disturbing now let's step back from this for a moment you can immediately see that facial recognition is very useful for a police force who can pick out criminals from a football crowd or can recognize people in the street or coming into a country and so on and arrest them but unfortunately what can be used for surveillance in a good way can also be used to control people and this is what sadly is happening particularly in xinjiang in china where the weaker population are really being surveilled to such an extent it's almost unbelievable and a couple of years ago there was a major article on this in one of the time or newsweek and the chinese author said look in the west you've got all this technology too and the only thing is it it's not yet in the hands of a strong central government but it may be one day and of course i i read that even in this country the police force would like to have that kind of technology and the difficulty is that you can see a benign and positive use but you can see the extreme danger of it and the invasion of privacy in some parts of the world is utterly extreme there's a famous social credit system again being ruled out across china where you are monitored all the time and if you do anything that doesn't fit in with the current system you get penalized and you suddenly find you can't use your credit card or you can't get a seat on a plane or you can't get an upgrade in your job etc etc this is actually working now this is not futuristic speculation this is stuff that's being rolled out all over the place so there's an area and this is still narrow ai there's this isn't artificial general intelligence and then there's another huge area here the whole question of artificial intelligence used in the direction of automatic weapons and that kind of thing so you're raising very big issues and and the ethical issues would um will be absolutely to the they're a wake-up call for us to to take this kind of thing absolutely uh seriously yes aldous huxley i think by contrast he tended to feel that we'd be overcome we'd fall in love with our technology whereas orwell thought it would oppress us but we seem to be having both things happening in our society together we fall in love with it and it eventually takes us prisoner yes no i think that's a that's probably reality for for many in the world today uh i i know people certainly like their smartphones and all the things it can do however you raise some pretty um i guess scary topics in a sense about what can happen you know it makes me think theologically about you we talk about god as being omniscient omnipresent omnipotent in a sense i wonder if in a certain way this kind of technology is almost like going back to the tower of bible where mankind is trying to become like god so we're all knowing uh ever present in an in a strange kind of way uh with china and taking control it seems to be doing some of that do you do you see um yeah i know that we're talking kind of science basis but as a believer it's kind of a spiritual dynamic going on in all of this oh absolutely certainly i do indeed and the tar of babel in scripture is really an attempt to reach for the sky by using high human intelligence and and build a colossal skyscraper one of the first we ever uh think of and someone is well written behind every skyscraper there is an even bigger ego and it's human beings trying to reach god through their technology and that's exactly what some people say we are doing and one of the major reasons i wrote my book joe was the fact that we have a very well-read best-selling israeli intellectual uh you yuval noah harari who has written a couple of million selling books sapiens and homo dias and the second one of those hamadius which is latin for the god man or the man who is god is exactly about this kind of thing talking about using technology to fulfill what's called the transhumanist dream and that's another word that is cropping up large in the area of artificial general intelligence in other words moving beyond humans 101 like we are to something that combines the power of the machines with advanced human intelligence by implants by drugs and by genetic engineering and his basic idea is that in the 21st century two things he said are on the agenda the first one is to solve the problem of physical death and he regards physical death simply as a technical problem with a technical solution the second problem on the agenda to solve is to enhance human happiness now those two things that harare talks about are really in the hearts of many people and they're very ancient the idea of wanting immoral immortality leads you back to concepts like the tree of life in genesis the elixir of life in many mythologies and the idea of constant happiness in in living forever of course is in every human heart and you asked me what i thought of all of this as a christian believer and i've written a great deal about it in my book because it seems to me that what agi and what many people desire for it is actually something that will never be fulfilled by technology but it's a parody of what is held out to us in the bible now i think i ought to explain what i mean by that let's take the people like harari who suggests they're going to solve the problem of physical death they're going to enhance uh human happiness so that we'll be like gods and that's what he says and i say to them you're too late and they look at me with a great puzzlement say what do you mean we're too late well i said first of all the problem of physical death has already been solved incredibly so 20 centuries ago and we're talking about this at easter time the resurrection of jesus christ is the evidence that god through christ has the power to raise the dead so that's a solution to the problem of physical death and i would just like to add there's a lot more evidence for its truth and credibility than there is for the agi solution but the second thing is this idea of immortality and the enhancement of happiness the wonderful thing about the christian message and when this hit me this is when i got the trigger the aha moment for writing my book i suddenly realized that what harare and others are holding out in the transhumanist vision is already there in a real sense in the christian message because you see what scripture tells me is that the person that trusts christ as lord for salvation or repents of the mass they've made of their lives and maybe of other people's lives receives in that moment a new life that actually is going to exist forever they receive peace they receive forgiveness they receive a new power to live and also they're assured of the fact that their very bodies will be raised from the dead talk about an uploading that'll be the best one that ever happens now what is strikes me powerfully joel is the agi vision the transhumanist vision bypasses the fundamental problem of human brokenness human sin human rebellion against god and so therefore it won't solve anything it may as we've seen in certain instances aspects of a i may imprison people and control them but god's solution to give people forgiveness and freedom is utterly unique that's why i say they're too late and that's why i'm very interested in the fact that millions of people around the world are fascinated by this stuff of course they are because of speaking to a deep down desire to get rid of death and to have real hope and real life so i believe that christians are very well placed in the best place to speak into this situation and to point out and i often do it this way and i do it in my book i say look there are many sci-fi speculative scenarios about the future and people there are dozens of them and and people will believe them so i say look if you're going to believe that why don't you have a look before you reject it at the scenario presented to us in the new testament because actually there's more evidence for it and it will bring you much more peace and happiness and the solution to these problems than agi is going to do now that's that's a wonderful way of looking at i think this idea of looking at the core longings of the human heart for everlasting life for for youth for happiness and and to see that a lot of this agi is coming out of that longing to address those issues but as you've mentioned uh it's already been addressed through jesus christ and his resurrection and but i think it's a great way for us to think about approaching our friends and colleagues around this topic is getting to the core you know why are you pursuing these these uh ideas so i think that that's really helpful uh to us in that regard uh when we think about uh agi which is kind of this blending of uh artificial intelligence and trying to create these uh trans humans uh how does that impact i guess the view of human beings obviously there's a judeo-christian view of that but how do you see that impacting just the view of human beings human life the value and worth and dignity of human beings that's another key issue that was another driver for me in writing this book what who am i as a human being because for the transhumanists we are only one staging post in a possibly endless evolution of human beings into something higher greater cleverer and all the rest of it and i say i'm not very convinced about that because we haven't shown a great deal of change in many centuries that's first but much more important than that it seems to me that we're faced with a worldview question and we've too in this area really two main world views and contention there's the atheist worldview it is the fact that atheism has a great influence in this whole arena and then there's the theistic worldview in my case the christian worldview and that tells me and this is believed of course by our jewish and muslim friends as well that human beings are made in the image of god and that gives them infinite value and worth and therefore i am concerned with artificial enhancements of existing human beings that begin to meddle in the very definition of what it is to be a human being now as i'm talking to you i have an enhancement sitting on my nose it's my pair of glasses and i might have a contact lenses and one can imagine all kinds of enhancements hearing aids and so on and so forth speaking aids etc but that's one thing and those are very positive things and i do believe that christians ought to be involved in their development and certainly in many aspects of ai and that's an important thing to say i'm not against research in this i'm very much for it and if you want a brilliant example if i may just make an aside at the moment the work of rosalind pickard a brilliant scientist at mit she's a christian believer and she has a lab that is called affective computing she's developed the whole theory herself and she's using artificial intelligence to develop smart watches that predict if a child for example is about to have some kind of seizure or fit and it's saving kids lives this is marvelous stuff to be involved in so let none of our viewers think that i'm against involvement i think we need christians in there not only doing the technology but also able to relate to the ethical aspects of it but my final point on this although it's a very big topic not only are humans created in the image of god but they're utterly special for another reason and the central claim of christianity amazing though it is i believe it is absolutely true is that god became human so humans if i might put it this way are the kind of being that god can become that makes them utterly unique and that's why i think jesus christ is utterly unique in history he was a man but never a mere man never only a man he was god become human and therefore once more starting to play around and play god so to speak particularly with the genetic construction of human beings c.s lewis saw it a long time ago when he predicted and he wrote brilliant a couple of brilliant books one that hideous strength which is a science fiction book interestingly and another called the abolition of man and he pointed out that if in the end we leave it to a group of scientists to specify the blueprint for all future human beings they won't be human beings they'd be artifacts and he ends it with this chilling statement the final triumph will be the abolition of man and that's what i fear that with all this hype actually in the end it could destroy humanity when all the time we're being offered this wonderful message that can bring peace to our hearts can bring certainty of the future and a guarantee of being if i might put it that way uploaded into a future world to enjoy an eternal relationship with the god who created us but in order to be involved in that we must face what is wrong with our human nature our sin and rebellion against god and we must face it and repent of it and trust christ that's a radical solution to a radical diagnosis ai knows nothing of it and therefore i fear is doomed to fail at that deeper level that's i think a great thing to consider uh especially when you think about you mentioned if scientists were to control all of this without ethics ethical thinking philosophy and as a believer you know theological uh underpinnings just shows the i think the importance of of the uh these humanities and and the liberal arts in the sense of bringing together uh you can't just do cold science and we need to have integration of those things how would you recommend believers be involved in the development of you might say i guess the positive use of the narrow ai and as well maybe speaking into some of the dangers of agi well you're absolutely right in our need for something more than science the late jonathan sachs lord sachs who was our chief rabbi and a brilliant philosopher and thinker said something like science takes things apart to understand how they work whereas religion puts them together to understand what they mean and science does not give us meaning and faith in god and christ the biblical worldview fills our world with meaning and therefore i believe that those particularly younger people who are scientifically gifted it's an important world to be in to develop technology that's going to be beneficial to human beings and the the list of beneficial uses of narrow ai is growing day by day and it's those people if they spend also time thinking through the implications philosophically and christian ways of the speculative side they will be in a position a very strong position to help the rest of us who may not be trained in these topics how to navigate them because it's quite clear that a lot of this stuff has got a seductive effect on people and therefore we are moving towards and this is another topic altogether but having ai linked with virtual and augmented reality into immersing ourselves in alternate worlds and they raise immense ethical problems because they can allow people to do things that they wouldn't want to be seen to do in their real lives so it's immensely important that we have christian thinking on the score well and i know in your book you address kind of the future of ai where we're going i like the yogi bear quote that you have there where where he states when it comes to predicting that uh you know it's tough to make predictions especially about the future and i think that's uh but uh but i suppose you know where do you see us going in this world as with nero ai and and then a uh agi as well i find it very hard to to say but as a christian believer and observing the trends in our world today i fear that there is a development towards central authorities or even ultimately a world government where the economy will be controlled in the kind of way we're being seen today a social credit system and the book of revelation it's full of metaphors but metaphors stand for realities and it talks off under the figure of an animal a wild animal a future world leader who fascinatingly controls the economy by insisting that everybody has a special mark on their forehead now that used to be inconceivable but now we are getting near near to it i use fingerprint identification on my computer there's retinal identification there's all kinds of stuff so that's what i was saying earlier the biblical scenario is quite scary but it cogs in with reality as we see it going outside we see these trends in our society so it's no longer wild speculation and it's because of the accuracy of that kind of thing and of course we cannot necessarily identify or pin down all that scripture says because what it wants to do is to show us roughly speaking where things are leading but for the christian there is an additional central hope and that is not only that we can enjoy the fruit of eternal life now by trusting christ and receiving him and knowing the reality of the power of his indwelling life but we are promised that one day he will return and this world hasn't heard the last of him how can it have if he's the son of god ultimately the word who is the creator you cannot crucify that person and think that the world has heard the last of him so here am i with my feet on the ground a mathematics professor emeritus who believes very strongly that one day jesus christ will physically return as he was seen physically and literally to go of course that depends entirely on who he is but that's the question that each of us have to decide what we believe about yes what i think it is interesting the scriptures do give us insight into the future uh and it is amazing how some of these um apocalyptic genres in the book of revelation are there they do seem to be coming to pass as far as what is possible uh and uh yeah but there is this good hope i think you know jesus talks about like there will be more there are rumors of war and earthquakes and there's going to be uh all kinds of evil may may be on the move but we know that the gates of hell shall not prevail against god's kingdom and so there's a great hope as believers in the midst of all all the possible negatives in the world that we do have a great hope i suppose uh as as a follower of jesus christ you know how how do you would you encourage each one of us uh just to live into this world uh which ai agi are part of it how do we uh witness uh to christ and share the gospel in this world in which these are some of the dangers we're we're living in well we can only do what we can do and i think the level to start at is with uh in conversations with our friends and raise these things and that actually is one of the practical reasons i wrote this book because i think you'll agree it's it's pretty accessible and the idea was to give a total to thinking christians so that they could use some of these notions to engage their friends and colleagues on these issues and i think the main way to engage people is not by telling them what we think but by asking them questions about what they think and i would want to ask people look what do you think of artificial intelligence where do you think it's going have you any defense against the negative side or what helps you and so on and in the end they may ask you as one would hope as the apostle peter says they may ask you have you got any hope and a reason for the hope that is within you and then you can explain your hope in christ and trust that they will take it seriously but i i think there are ways in and indeed most of my writing joel as you know i have designed not for the top end of the scientific community but for thoughtful people who may or may not be trained in science but know something about thinking and want to think logically about these things and i want to put in their hands some weapons so to speak that they can use to engage society and not simply remain silent because the danger is that we'd be broadband into silence and that must not happen because we have a credible message to get out there into the public space that deserves to be there as much as any other message yes i would certainly recommend your book 2084 is very helpful to me in in thinking about this area an area that i knew very little about of it's living in the washington dc area we have a lot of people in there who i know use artificial intelligence for a lot of various uh reasons but it's good to have your your your book to help in understanding that uh also interesting enough um what role do you think books uh the uh some of these sources books might play in today's world like the abolition of man or the space trilogy it seems like this some of those books are being renewed and talked about again do you think lewis has something to say to this oh i do enormously and indeed i'm glad you asked that particularly as we're coming to the end of a discussion with the c s lewis institute above all things i think lewis is more important than ever because that book the abolition of man was really prescient he could see what was going to happen and it would be a healthy a dose of healthy realism to get people in general but christians in particular to read that hideous strength they may never have read a science fiction book before but i would strongly recommend if you've never done so to read that book but read it in order there are three books there's a trilogy and if you read those three books you will gain enormous insights and benefit from one of the most imaginative christian thinkers that ever has existed i owe a great deal to lewis's thinking and anybody that reads 2084 this book that joel is mentioning will see just how indebted i am so if in the 21st century i can be helped and stimulated by cs lewis so can you that's great let me just a final question because as i know uh you have uh grandchildren and and we're thinking about next generations perhaps what would be your advice to to the next generation about how to deal with uh this changing world in which ai agi and just all kinds of technological issues may come about and how do we deal that with as a follower of jesus christ i think the most important thing joel there is for parents to talk to their children about these things there's a huge danger at the moment i've been reading about it just today of children who've been interviewed and they feel desperately lonely because when they come home from school their parents do nothing but sit at the table fiddling with their smartphones or tablets or watching television and so on and the children are crying out for um friendship for companionship for for family love and they're not getting it so what is happening is they're turning to the connected world the internet of things and they're going on the net and they're friending people but these aren't genuine friends and it's an absolute tragedy and parents need to wake up and start to learn to leave their smartphones if they can at work but certainly away from the family to make sure they have family meal times to talk to their children about these issues and get their children interested in critiquing these things especially as they get into early teenage and there's a vast lack of that and some years ago another mit expert sherry turkle i think she's still working at mit wrote a book called alone together and its subtitle is we why we expect more from technology and less from one another it's a devastating indictment of our contemporary way of life and we need to face this as christian believers very seriously and it's in the hands of parents first of all to set the example if the parents are wired to smartphones and so on all the time they will lose their any influence on their children in the end well john thank you so much uh for being with us today you've given us so much to think about and to pray about and uh we're just grateful for uh your uh writing your speaking your your thinking and we pray for the lord to continue to to give you many more years of of uh thinking and writing and reading for all of us because we we've certainly been given a lot to think about in regards to ai and many other things so thank you so much for helping equip us uh to share the good news of jesus with those in our world today well thanks to you all at the c.s lewis institute for doing this kind of thing and you're with various interviews and the programs you produce and you are helping to sow good seed into the world of thinking people so thank you too for your contribution it's certainly our our pleasure well god bless you john and your family in the days to come and we'll look forward to hopefully a future conversations down the road here i'd be delighted goodbye bye-bye i hope that you found this pre-recorded interview with author and speaker dr john lennox to be of help and an encouragement to you and i'd like to ask those of you listening to pick up a copy of john's book 2084 artificial intelligence and the future of humanity if you'd like a more in-depth look into the subject the csos institute can broadcast livestream events like this and others 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