Article: Russia Vs. Ukraine Or Civil War In The West?

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Can I get a QRD? I can't be bothered to watch 50 minutes of post toxic crisis kermit the frog whine about how russia is actually based

👍︎︎ 9 👤︎︎ u/PaskaHiisi 📅︎︎ Jul 11 2022 🗫︎ replies

When your eyeballs are this submerged in culture war bullshit, it becomes like an extended Dunning-Kruger effect for every conceivable political issue. It's really strange to see how far he's going with it.

👍︎︎ 2 👤︎︎ u/JixieXue 📅︎︎ Jul 11 2022 🗫︎ replies

Ukrain and Russia is 2 different countries. Boomer don’t even get this part.

👍︎︎ 1 👤︎︎ u/Accomplished_Elk_114 📅︎︎ Jul 11 2022 🗫︎ replies
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hi everyone i want to read a piece for you today that i wrote recently over about a month carefully assessing it with a number of experts on foreign policy it's called russia versus ukraine or civil war in the west we are now several months into the conflict with russia i say we because we are all pretending here in the west that the real war is between russia and ukraine but not nod wink wink if we clandestinely in some sense provide full support to ukraine maybe the russians foolish and backward as they are won't notice and we can simultaneously pretend that we aren't flirting with the prospect of a long arduous and inconceivably destructive war i want to say at the outset that i think what putin has done is unconscionable god only knows what the impact will be as all four of the horsemen of the apocalypse are on the march again i also think that the collusion of the leadership of the russian orthodox church is even more unforgivable be that as it may i also believe that the attempt to deeply understand the motive forces for this war as it is very difficult to set things right let alone avoid a similar future catastrophe or even to stop this conflict from spreading in the absence of such understanding i have spoken publicly on my youtube channel and podcast with american foreign policy expert frederick kagan who was recommended to me by some of my conservative associates in the u.s people with extensive political experience and simultaneously knowledge about foreign policy kagan is rather hawkish in his outlook and reputation and was criticized for this as i was for hosting him in the social media comments section accompanying my youtube channel our joint episodes by the way have been viewed or listened to by at least three million people i'm saying this just to provide evidence that these discussions have had some impact in the broad public sphere dr kagan essentially put forward the thesis that vladimir putin is a prototypical authoritarian and that russia's foray into ukraine might be properly viewed as an expression of the imperial expansionism that characterized the soviet union so this is cold war round two accompanying this view is the interpretation of putin as a thug in the hitlerian mold carrying a chip on his shoulder interested primarily in self-aggrandizement and capitalizing on russian patriotism and an associated populist appeal to fortify his pretensions to empire and desire for an unlimited extension of personal power this perspective which appears to characterize what might be called the western patriotic response to the russian incursion has its very real justifications it appears part of uniting in response to an enemy part of justifying what is necessarily a binary decision process are we at war or not if yes then the question arises is the enemy bad by definition otherwise the war is unpardonable and if we believe that to be the case we will enter the fray demoralized and compromise our chances of victory but one of the primary justifications for a war perhaps is that we have something to gain i see that we have little to gain in the current situation and certainly much we could lose russia is a nuclear power and we run the very real risk of backing them into a corner and that bad as it is is only one of many of the options for disaster that currently face us many people watching my exchange with dr kagan suggested that i broaden my understanding by reviewing the work of dr john mearsheimer of the university of chicago who offers an alternative interpretation one that more specifically highlights the faults of the west dr mearsheimer's remarkably prescient 2015 university of chicago lecture why is ukraine the west's fault available on youtube and now watched by 30 million people an unheard of number for an academic lecture i was concerned that mirsheimer might be a russian apologist in some relatively simple manner although that does not seem to be the case in a singularly lucid one-hour presentation mirsheimer explained that nato and european union expansionism into ukraine the invitation proffered to ukraine to join the eu the formal statement of the desirability of nato's extension into ukraine has already and will continue to pose an intolerable threat to the russians who view ukraine both as an integral part of the broader russian sphere of interest and as a necessary buffer between the europe that has invaded russia to terrible effect in 1812 and 1941 and that is no more trustworthy to russianize now than previously mersheimer compared the former element of that view to the u.s monroe doctrine which makes the western hemisphere sacrosanct with regards to say the movement of soviet missiles to cuba and the latter to the stark realities of the difference in the importance of ukraine to russia crucial and to the west irrelevant except for the transmission of russian natural gas and any and all current exploitation for the purposes of shallow moral posturing mirsheimer states starkly and this explains a fair bit of putin's potential motivation that russia would rather see ukraine destroyed raised to the ground than comfortably ensconced in the western sphere of influence and mirsheimer said that not last month or last week in response to the ukraine incursion but seven years ago in 2015. merchamer also claims that the ukraine president yanukovych deposed in 2014 in the aftermath of widespread pro-eu protests was the clear favorite and choice of the russian-speaking ukrainians who overwhelmingly occupy the southeastern section of the country well zielinski the current president and supporter of all things western was and is supported by the ukrainian speakers who live in the northeast add to that as well the fact that the ukrainian-speaking supported government has placed increasingly draconian restrictions on the language rights of the russian speakers in the northwest a fact all westerners balancing the complexities of multiple languages in their own countries should be particularly sensitive to an understanding of all this to say that putin and the russians have their reasons for concern over the situation in ukraine we could reasonably add to these two theories of the conflict some observations about the energy front russia is a petro giant providing almost 15 percent of the world's supply of oil and natural gas and is extremely dependent on that single resource whose revenues make up almost 50 percent of the state budget and perhaps 30 percent of total gdp almost half of the russian fossil fuels exported make their way to europe which has allowed itself to become dangerously dependent on such outside sources for one of its primary necessities not least because of its faux moral stance on issues of the environment it's not so easy for the russians to get their oil and gas to market partly because the baomoth country is remarkably landlocked in a practical sense they've had to build extensive pipelines to do so the two of those that serve the european market upon which the economy of russia is fundamentally dependent pass through what are now other countries this is not convenient to say the least for the russians has caused no shortage of conflict between them and ukraine specifically and has certainly encouraged constant russian interference in belarus which is in some real sense a puppet state of its larger partner when the soviet empire collapsed the huge oil fields around the caspian sea suddenly found themselves in the hands of the new countries of kazakhstan azerbaijan uzbekistan and turkmenistan after 1989 these resources attracted major attention from western energy companies and untrammeled production from the new countries posed a threat to russian domination of the european energy market this has produced unending tension in the region not least around azerbaijan which has run its own pipelines to thirsty western markets through georgia invaded non-coincidentally by russia in 2008 turkey and albania thus partially circumventing russian control over petro export the fact of this relative emerging independence has also allowed azerbaijan to move further away from the moscow's centered sphere of influence and sets a worrying example in the russian view to other developing post-soviet countries in the area add to that the fact that 80 of russia's oil and gas exports once had to pass through ukraine although this problem has been remediated somewhat and the stage was and is set for trouble this became particularly evident in 2005 with the orange revolution and the rise of victor yushenko's overtly pro-western ukrainian regime shortly thereafter the russians demanded that ukraine turn over ownership of the pipeline system traversing that country to them this request was refused in response and during the winter the russians briefly turned off the taps supplying ukraine with the petro resources upon which that country was also acutely dependent it is also the case that ukraine has immense and relatively recently discovered circa 2010 petrol resources of its own particularly around the caspian sea and in the northeast enough natural gas for example so that it could have become a major supplier of that resource to europe and thereby pose a threat to european reliance on russian resources ukraine also possesses although perhaps not after the current war immense storage capacity for petrol resources another asset that could limit the influence that russia can exert over its european customers by providing a buffer against any suddenly imposed limitation of supply in the last decade ukraine has been actively pursuing agreements with exxonmobil shell and chevron to develop and export their new resources the 2014 pro-western revolution in ukraine toppling what was then the pro-russian government there did little to set russian mines at ease the consequent invasion of crimea placed a substantial proportion of the new ukraine petra reserves in russian hands the later invasion of the donbass region in the aforementioned northeast punitively to support pro-russian separatists there was perhaps motivated by analogous reasons so that's three hypothetical reasons for russia and ukraine first putin the imperialist soviet-era hitlerian thug second russia threatened by careless and provocative western expansionism into a country we really don't care about except when our unearned moral virtue is challenged but which is key to russian identity and security third russian concern about maintaining its primarily petrol-funded economy particularly in relation to the european market but even three reasons are not enough to account for the fact of this war and its emergence here and now there's a fourth precisely germane to why i entitled this essay civil war in the west in the west no not in the russian empire a few weeks ago one of my viewers or readers or listeners sent me a copy of the great russian novelist dostoevsky's a writer's diary dostoevsky regarded a writer's diary twice the length in its entirety of his longer works of fiction as his preeminent achievement it's a hybrid work which he began publishing as a series of columns in a conservative weekly journal called the citizen it is the work of the accomplished journalist the great russian author was in daring combination with the works of fiction which he employed parable-like to buttress his intellectual and more political points in it dostoevsky outlined his view of his homeland's destiny which he saw as crucially inseparable from russia's role in christendom that archaic notion russia is neither catholic nor protestant but orthodox in its religious matters and that fact remains of serious importance in my opinion to a proper understanding of the terrible situation we in the west including russia now find ourselves in dostoevsky concerned himself with a philosophical or more profoundly theological issue the crisis of meaning in the west addressing an issue that has become of key psychological and social importance again today his crime and punishment is a psychological investigation focusing on questions of right and wrong or good and evil are human beings devoid of religious presuppositions now free to make their own choices even matters of murder in the brothers karamazov dostoevsky asks is everything permitted now that god is dead in the devils also known as the possessed he asks what forms might belief take and and to what end when the strictures of traditional belief are burst asunder what dread demons might take the place of the displaced yahwah dostoevsky fervently believed in the necessity of a revival of christianity in the more psychological sense central to the orthodox doctrine of theosis the transformative process whose aim is individual likeness to our union with god and he believed that the russians would and would need to play a central role in that revival everyone listening to or watching or reading this might be thinking what could such arcane things possibly have to do with the practicalities of the current war but that is an indication of our superficiality and ignorance here in the west and not with the relevance of such things to the state of the world when alexander solzhenitsyn wrote the gulag archipelago the book that shook the foundations of the cold war era world he suggested like dostoyevsky that it would be necessary for the russians to return to the path of incremental organic development that had been manifesting itself prior to the revolutionary disruptions of the communist catastrophe that meant a return to orthodox belief there's every sign of a revival of christianity in russia including a veritable storm of church building and cathedral construction putin himself is in principle a practicing christian and it appears that he has been strongly influenced by such ideas the degree to which putin's worldview and actions are shaped by his professed christianity is a topic subject to appropriate debate but the same can be said about the views and actions of all who adopt or claim to adopt a faith i certainly feel somewhat more comfortable knowing that putin regards himself however indeterminately as subordinate to something beyond himself as the alternative is dreadful to contemplate that would be the absolute moral presumption of someone such as stalin regardless of the depth or genuineness of his belief however it is beyond dispute that the russian leader frequently speaks of his country's role as a bulwark against the moral decadence of the west and that he speaks in philosophical and theological terms to a degree unthinkable in a western leader all of whom tend towards a condescension in such matters that has reached its apotheosis in canada's justin trudeau new zealand's jacinda arden and u.s vice president kamala harris he also collaborates in his thinking with a genuine philosopher alexander dugan you can say or think what you want about dugan as a philosopher but the fact remains that such thinking has exercised a deep influence on putin and russia putin regards the current west as decadent to the point of absolute untrustworthiness particularly on the cultural and religious front he is driven by economic and political necessity to trade with us and us with him so that russia can be supplied by much needed hard western currency and europe in particular with fossil fuel but putin constantly tells his people that he sees us falling far too far under the sway of ideas very similar to those that produce the revolutionary frenzy of the communist movement and detailed so presciently by dostoevsky in the devils and analyzed for their catastrophic consequence so carefully by solzhenitsyn and whether he believes this or not and i believe he does he is certainly able and willing to use the story of our degeneration to make his people wary of us and to convince them of the necessity of his leadership and to unite them in supporting his actions in ukraine and something akin to this can be said of the attraction that hungarian prime minister victor orban holds for the hungarians and the polish president for the polls le pen makes a similar appeal in france and are we degenerate in a profoundly threatening manner i think the answer to that may well be yes the idea that we are ensconced in a culture war has become a rhetorical commonplace how serious is that war is it serious enough to increase the probability that russia say will be motivated to invade and potentially incapacitate ukraine merely to keep the pathological west out of that country which is a key part of the historically russian sphere of influence to answer that question i'll turn to the analysis of a recent sequence of significant events in the u.s with broader ramifications for the development of political thought in the west as such when the biden administration began the process of identifying a new supreme court justice a singular message was initially trumpeted it is time for a black woman to take her place in the highest tribunal in the land i thought this was a terrible strategic error speaking as someone who would rather see the democrat sane then deluded why not first announce the search for the most credible candidate and then report the discovery of the candidate with ethically fortuitous sex and genetic structure why wouldn't that sequence make the most sense from within the democrat fortress itself the fact of qualification made primary and the secondary providence that such qualification could be provided by someone who would also simultaneously serve as a beacon to the striving minorities and underprivileged but no sex and race were first this begs the question does qualification even matter now technically speaking announcing a priory restriction of the candidacy to women and black means the restriction of the potential pool of candidates by 50 percent the approximate relative prevalence of women versus men and then that half by initial 87 percent as black citizens of the us constitute 13 of the population so that is an a priori restriction of the probability of picking the most competent candidate by 100 minus 0.5 times 0.13 equals 93.5 percent that's a tremendous restriction that means that it is so important to pick a black woman not my words that 18 out of 20 potentially qualified contenders will be dismissed out of the gate and that restriction which is unwarranted except for the direst of reasons in my estimation given the crucial importance of the position is an error in addition to the error of putting the cart before the horse in the first place this is particularly true because the relationship between competence and performance is non-linear an excellent candidate for a given job is not merely slightly better than a very good candidate but often incomparably better the difference between someone at the 99th percentile and the 99.9 percentile in terms of competence is the difference between the best person out of a hundred and the best person out of a thousand this is a difference so big that the consequences can be and have been world changing a difference that is particularly important when the position in question is of crucial significance i tweeted out something in this regard and was immediately uprated by some of my intelligent capable and admirable democrat friends people with no small influence in washington they said you are correct in a technical sense but you radically underestimate the degree to which such appointments have been made for political reasons in the past reasons that also reduce the pool of potential candidates to an arguably equal degree a priori but which weren't linked so obviously to race and sex you are inflaming racial tensions by objecting and that's not helpful etc furthermore the candidate in question does meet or exceed threshold for acceptability on grounds of pure qualification and the advantage of her minority status is a genuine and defensible mark in her favor given the historical context now i take the people who told me this seriously and i backed off in some sense i thought okay i'll give you all that i still think it was utterly foolish and pandering of the worst and most unforgivable sort to announce the necessity of a black woman first but your criticisms of previous appointments may be on point i also think that the probability that she was the most qualified candidate is close to nil but she did seem arguably acceptably credible given the unreliability of previous nominations and i think that most people who think like me including those directly involved in the hearings which led to her eventual qualification felt the same way she was certainly not subject to the same roasting over a slow fire that characterized the hearings for the previous republican nominee kavanaugh but it remains true that sex and race trumped qualification and a moral case was made for that decision and that in and of itself does not provide indication of western derangement but but when the self-same candidate was asked directly in an interview during the confirmation process the very straightforward question what is a woman which granted was a gotcha question which only goes to show the severity of our current level of derangement and so is no excuse for failure to answer she said i'm not a biologist that is not a good answer now she well knew that the question was a setup as did the interview who posed it she knew as did the interviewer that she would be pilloried no matter how she answered it in consequence she evaded the issue entirely but in a manner specifically designed not to antagonize the appalling radical left and i'm even willing to grant her the moral right to do that given that no one wants to be pilloried and that no one should be subject to mobbing merely because they give an answer to a question the answer to which is evident to anyone who maintains an iota of sanity and integrity but here's where i'm not willing to go even given that as the confirmation process reached its conclusion we were enjoined by the biden administration and the woke allies it panders too shamefully and unceasingly to celebrate the positioning of the desired nominee on the basis of the initial call for her nomination that is on the basis of her sex and race at precisely the same time that we were also enjoined to remain entirely dubious again on moral grounds that any such category as sex even validly existed there is a principle the principle of non-contradiction acceptance of which in principle serves as one of the foundations for the practice of discourse itself that principle is the assertion that it is fundamentally unreasonable irredeemably irrational to claim that a and not a are identical why well because if you can claim that a thing is what it is and what it is not simultaneously then you can claim anything whatsoever and if you can claim anything whatsoever as true then it is impossible to talk with you you have departed from the sphere of reason and reasonable discourse you have departed from the realm of the rational this means that you have become deranged this means that you have become degenerate this means that all who fail to call you on your deranged degeneration have become rowers on the same doomed boat this means that you and all those who do not call you out have become insane this is against a well-established background of such insistence upon the mandatory acceptance of contradiction in our society all sexual proclivities and desires no matter how rare dangerous or socially disruptive are not to be merely tolerated but must be celebrated pride month outright or else and regarded as hedonically desirable and absolutely harmless but sex is simultaneously so dangerous that every such interaction to take a single example between young men and women on campus is to be regarded as deeply and patriarchally exploitative in its intrinsic nature tantamount even if voluntary to rape as andrea dworkin and catherine mckinnon have insisted and therefore necessarily preceded by the establishment of explicit consent formulated to a degree of precision that would hold in court under adversarial challenge in our society furthermore the difference between men and women is held to be purely cultural even at the level of physiology there are no markers even genital that allow for the reliable discrimination of infant boys from girls while whatever differences may still be held to remain are trivial biologically negligible in the impact of their existence on destiny and easily properly and necessarily modifiable culturally but so vitally and singly and crucially important to identity and mental health alike that misgendering is a crime and that surgical intervention on minors is a positive good not to be questioned under punishment by law as an intervention in the increasingly common case of childhood gender dysphoria such contradictions do not bother the radicals and they are far more radical than they even know who wish fervently to destabilize our society to end capitalism to destroy the free market to bring down the oppression of the enlightenment to undermine and destroy the judeo-christian or even abrahamic axioms that undergird our culture and to dance in the resultant flames with glee while doing so and if you don't think these ideas are under assault in some serious way you are blind and willfully so and heading for a pit truly and are not the russians and the hungarians and the poles and the indians to a lesser degree watching and thinking those people have gone out of their minds and we have to say it again clearly the culture war in the west is real and culture is losing and russia is part of the west and the culture war is now truly part of why we have a war and it's a real war and it is certainly the case that we do not therefore have all the moral high ground for some part of the reasons that mirsheimer details and for these reasons of insanity in fact how much of it we have at all is something rightly subject to the most serious debate and i'm saying this as someone who also takes the advice of someone like frederick kagan seriously thus the russians think in some combination of convenient for them and accuracy in relationship to us on top of their imperialist ambitions and their nationalistic populism and the potential thuggery of their leader all that taken into account those westerners are so out of their mind possessed by the very ideas that destroyed us for a century and didn't they that we simply cannot trust them those westerners are so out of their mind that a devastated but neutral ukraine is preferable to a functional bordering state aligned with the us and europe those westerners are so out of their mind it will push the world to the brink of a nuclear war and potentially beyond to keep them off our doorstep because we've been there before and we're not going back and that is exactly what putin tells his people and they believe it and in some sense therefore it doesn't even matter if putin believes it although i believe he does along with whatever else he might believe in relationship to personal ambition and self-aggrandizement and the willingness to aggress and the desirability of resurgent russian empire and so the russians believe that they have a moral duty and that they have the highest moral duty to oppose the degenerate ideas philosophy theology of the west and there's something about that that is not wrong and that is why the incursion of russia into ukraine is more truly a civil war in the west i should also point out it is not only the russians who object to the nightmare of compassionate authoritarianism that increasingly possesses the west all the eastern european countries whose populations groaned under the stalinist burden are watching the resurgence of these demented ideas among their erstwhile enlightened allies with stunned disbelief romanians estonians hungarians albanians all those countries characterized by a traumatic wisdom all extremely unhappy that those who should know better and who have built their economic strength and base their freedom on ideas that promote equality of opportunity but denounce enforced equity or equality of outcome kowtow to the resentful full moralistic opportunistic anarchic narcissists of the radical left if our g7 leaders had one iota sense in my opinion they would be doing nothing right now but dispensing with the too convenient identification of putin with hitler or stellan and focusing with single-minded intensity on determining exactly what the russians would accept as a minimum precondition for peace have we been paying attention to what putin's men have been saying about the uk to take a single example a russian tv host recently boasted that a single ceremony missile would be sufficient to destroy britain once and for all perhaps the declaration of ukraine has a neutral state for a minimum period of 20 years perhaps a new election in ukraine subject to ratification by joint russian western observers perhaps a pledge on the part of the west to not offer to ukraine any membership in nato or the eu that is either not simultaneously offered to russia or moving forward on terms acceptable to russia and if not any of these offerings and i may be dreadfully naive for reasons i do not know about such matters and therefore wrong in my specific suggestions then something else that will bring peace and the sooner the better the russians are a nuclear power the russians have a sphere of influence the russians have already integrated into the world economy in a manner that cannot be compromised without devastating global consequences and all protestations to the contrary none of us give a damn about ukraine and never have remember the hallmador do you even know what it was well for the russians ukraine is akin in some important sense to russia itself even more so than the monroe doctrine western hemisphere is the us i'm not saying that ukraine is part of russia or that the ukrainians agree with the russians but our current concern is very self-aggrandizing and unreliable and this is particularly true given that we in the west that opposes russia have very much to lose in this battle we have not yet woken up fully to what that loss will look like allow me therefore to prognosticate both pessimistically and worse realistically i believe that all of the following consequences are already inevitable first skyrocketing energy prices i firmly expect oil prices to hit 300 a barrel or worse in the upcoming year or two perhaps i am wrong in such a prognostication but the russians still have control of some very important taps and will be hard-pressed not to employ that strategic advantage as their position in ukraine and on the world stage deteriorates as it inevitably must these higher energy prices will of course hurt the world's poor and developing countries hardest as well as those who in the west must rely on low wages or fixed incomes the idiot environmental policies that we insist on pursuing not least in justin trudeau's increasingly dysfunctional canada are exacerbating this problem unforgivably and it has become obvious in countries such as the uk and germany that the hypothetically compassionate and working class positive green types and their ilk are perfectly willing to sacrifice today's actual pour to the hypothetically thriving poor of their imaginary future utopia second severe food shortages or even famine for a minimum of 150 million people and substantial pressure on the price of basic necessities even in the developed countries as for example ukraine alone produces 20 percent of the world's high-grade wheat and will soon be unable to ship that food or to store what will be this year's much diminished crop these shortages and worse will hit hard as early as the fall of 2022. add to this problem a looming scarcity of fertilizer 30 percent produced by ukraine and russia which will affect harvests and prices worldwide and we have the makings of a humanitarian disaster on a scale not experienced since the 1960s third mass migration the country's most affected by the aforementioned food shortage will be precisely those north african and middle eastern nations from which the last mass migration that so stressed europe to say nothing of the immigrants themselves expect immense mass movements of desperate people by november of 2022 and all the exacerbation of religious and nationalist tension and internal polarization along political fracture lines that accompanies a sudden and uncontrollable influx of people fourth and most immediately if the build-up of nato forces continues and they are in fact then moved into battle position a real likelihood of the use of tactical nuclear weapons on the russian side to deal with that threat three hundred thousand have been very recently put on high readiness prepared for immediate deployment as opposed to the 40 000 currently available for rapid reaction all this appears to be based on the assumption that the russians will back down if threatened enough this didn't work for the germans with regards to britain in the days of the blitz why would we underestimate the determination of the russians they have seen hardships that those of us in the west can thankfully not even imagine we will not cow them into submission as they will not prove willing to lose and it's not as though the economic sanctions have been working or have been without major collateral damage on a scale yet to be seen the ruble is doing just fine and oil prices are not finished escalating all this is enabling putin to establish firm trading partners for his valuable commodities outside the direct western sphere of influence and the other opec partners are not going to just turn on the taps which are already putting forth at full volume and the west will have neither the will nor the ability to scale up domestic energy production given our current state of ideological paralysis we cannot do without the russians on our side here in the rest of the western world the chinese communists loom too remember them we haven't even discussed this side of the problem and the ccp system is antithetical to ours in every manner despite the admiration expressed for this system by some of the most short-sighted of the west's leaders that's you again canadian prime minister justin trudeau and the chinese are subtle and patient in a manner we no longer understand and we are shallow and foolish and short-sighted and narcissistic and ungrateful our wealth our unearned birthright to a great degree deludes us into believing in our competence and moral superiority but the fact that you're born into wealth does not indicate that you are able upright and responsible i cannot see how we can defeat the russians in any real sense because they will not allow themselves to lose because the consequences even of an overwhelming military victory for our side will be internationally disastrous and finally because the quarrel that lies at one part of the bottom of this war will not disappear at all and may even worsen if the russians somehow lose with regard to that final point the war of ideas that has given rise to the current real war will continue its destructive and nihilistic progress even if the russians capitulate and agree to the re-establishment of the pre-invasion boundaries it is not obvious that well that war of ideas continues that the russians will even allow a prosperous ukraine allied more closely with the west on their border and it's wishful thinking to imagine that this war will end with the ignominious departure of a putin in disgrace not only is he popular but he is arguably much less terrible than almost any leader that has preceded him for a century in russia that may be damning with faint praise but it's something necessary to understand in relationship to the promulgation of any naive and foolish optimism this is a war that cannot be run in the most fundamental sense by the mere defeat of russia the civil war in the west can only be won on the intellectual or even the spiritual front and the victory will be defeat of the radical ideas of marxist inheritance that are currently destabilizing our societies russia and ukraine included it is the job of classic liberals small c conservatives and more importantly adherence to the abrahamic traditions to bring about that defeat in the realm of ideas where the true battles most truly rage in the meantime instead we fight our petty battles in the west worrying about our privilege while enjoying it fully obsessing about the woke triumvirate of diversity inclusivity and equity wallowing in the immature narcissism of our solipsistic identity debates whiling the time away as something truly terrible comes for us down the pipes we are at great risk of destabilizing the amazing interdependent world prosperity that is so unlikely was so difficult to attain and which we have enjoyed for only a few short decades and we are taking that risk so blindly and willfully so so stupidly so childishly and so pridefully the hunger of millions will soon be upon us and that is not all can we not get our priorities right and step back from that precipice with the proper vision and aim all could have all that is needed perhaps even all that is wanted instead we could have hell just as we've had it before do we really need to go there again i might also point out if all of this has not been enough that this war may be in some real sense another one of the myriad unintended consequences of the idiot invasive and authoritarian covid lockdown when was the last time that a western leader spent some time face to face with putin not by zoom not by skype in the same room breathing the same air communicating directly with all available verbal and crucially important nonverbal channels fully functioning sharing a meal or an anecdote or a drink engaging in all of those social interactions of inarticulable complexity aimed at establishing a relationship overcoming inevitable distrust at a personal level has it been several years in any real sense has that simply been too long will this be another severe consequence of our rush to assume that we can virtualize the real without unforeseen loss perhaps i might end this litany of warnings and woe with a story and not one that i think will improve anyone's mood as has become somewhat widely known putin had an encounter with an angry and desperate rodent when he was young quote there on that stair landing i got a quick and lasting lesson in the meaning of the word cornered there were hordes of rats in the front entryway my friends and i used to chase them around with sticks once i spotted a huge rat and pursued it down the hall until i drove it into a corner it had nowhere to run suddenly it lashed around and threw itself at me i was surprised and frightened now the rat was chasing me it jumped across the landing and down the stairs luckily i was a little faster and i managed to slam the door on its nose now putin is not a rat and we are not children tormenting rats with sticks or at least we shouldn't be i spoke recently with the former albanian minister of foreign affairs and he told me that there are western leaders who hold the view that russia's president needs to be humiliated so that he will learn his lesson here's a lesson from the benighted vengeful versailles treaty designed to humiliate and the germans in the aftermath of the brutalities of world war one don't plant the seeds that will blossom into the next war putin will not be around in 10 years or so but russia will remain this isn't or shouldn't be personal although the relationships that might bring peace need to be and let's not corner the explosive bear that is russia no mere contemptible rat or aim at a high school like humiliation of its leader and therefore its people no matter how misguided we may believe they presently are we need to find a way out of this awful mess this terrible tar baby before it engulfs us all and it needs to be the top priority of those who purport to lead and guide us here in the west
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Channel: Jordan B Peterson
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Keywords: Jordan Peterson, Jordan B Peterson, psychology, psychoanalysis, existentialism, maps of meaning, free speech, freedom of speech, personality lectures, personality and transformations, Jordan perterson, Dr Peterson, civil war, war in the west, russia, ukraine
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Length: 51min 19sec (3079 seconds)
Published: Sun Jul 10 2022
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