♪ ♪ >> IT'S NOT JUST THAT DONALD TRUMP IS SAYING AND DOING RACIST THINGS, HE IS ALSO IMPLEMENTING POLICIES THAT ARE HURTING AND IMPACTING NEGATIVELY COMMUNITIES OF COLOR. >> I DON'T THINK DONALD TRUMP IS DOING AN AWFUL LOT TO APPEAL TO AFRICAN-AMERICAN VOTERS. SPEAK ALL OF THE POLICIES PUT FORWARD HAVE BEEN ANTI-PEOPLE OF COLOR. >> Laura: WE HEAR THOSE LINES ALL THE TIME, BUT HERE ARE THE FACTS. SINCE PRESIDENT TRUMP TOOK OFFICE, BLACK UNEMPLOYMENT HAS HIT AN HISTORIC LOW, AND CURRENTLY SITS AT 6.7%. BY THE WAY, HE IS NOT SATISFIED WITH THAT. HE WANTED A LOT LOWER. BUT STILL PRETTY GREAT. THE NUMBER OF AFRICAN-AMERICAN EMPLOYEES OF MORE THAN 4%, AND THE MOST STUNNING OF ALL, AFRICAN-AMERICAN WAGES, THIS IS MY FAVORITE, ARE UP MORE THAN 9%. HERE NOW, IN A TRULY SPECIAL DEBATE, I'M SO HAPPY ABOUT THIS. CANDACE OWENS, BLEXIT MOVEMENT FOUNDER, AND CORNELL WEST, PROFESSOR OF PHILOSOPHY AT HARVARD UNIVERSITY AND PROFESSOR EMERITUS AT PRINCETON PAIRED I WANT TO TELL YOU, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR COMING ON THE SHOW. YOU ARE AN OLD-STYLE LIBERAL. I DON'T MEAN OLD AS AN OLDER, I MEAN YOU LIKE DEBATE AND CONVERSATION, AND I THINK THAT IS AWESOME. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US TONIGHT. >> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME ON. >> Laura: ABSOLUTELY. I WANT TO BEGIN WITH A SIMPLE QUESTION, DR. WEST. ARE THE PRESIDENT'S POLICIES, LET'S JUST FOCUS NOW, ON HIS ECONOMIC POLICIES, ARE THEY HELPING THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY, IN YOUR VIEW? >> I THINK THAT THE STATISTICS CERTAINLY LOOK GOOD THROUGH A NARROW LENS. SO I GIVE HIM CREDIT IN THAT REGARD. BUT WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THAT ON THE ONE HAND, YOU STILL HAVE GROTESQUE WEALTH INEQUALITY, YOU HAVE JOB INSECURITY, SO MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING ON WORKING MORE THAN ONE JOB. WE KNOW MANY PEOPLE WHO HAVE WITHDRAWN FROM THE LABOR FORCE ARE NOT COUNTED AT ALL, BUT I THINK THE PROBLEM IS, THE PRESIDENT HAS A LANGUAGE THAT CREATES AN ATMOSPHERE THAT IS SO XENOPHOBIC AGAINST BLACK FOLKS, MEXICANS, MUSLIMS, HE RARELY WANTS TO STAY IN CONTACT. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE STATISTICS, THAT IS ONE THING, BUT WHEN YOU CREATE AN ATMOSPHERE AND AN AMBIENCE OF XENOPHOBIA, IT REINFORCES THE POLARIZATION, AND THEREFORE MANY BLACK FOLKS WOULDN'T EVEN BE ABLE TO CONNECT THE STATISTICS THAT LOOK GOOD WITH THE LANGUAGE, THE ATMOSPHERE, THAT FEELS SO BAD. AND THAT COLDHEARTED, MEAN-SPIRITED NEST, IS SOMETHING THAT CUTS VERY, VERY DEEP. >> Laura: HAVE YOU MET HIM, DR. WEST? EVER MET THE PRESIDENT? >> NO, I HAVE NEVER HAD A CONVERSATION WITH MY RIGHT-WING BROTHER. YOU KNOW I'VE CALLED HIM A GANGSTER, SEPARATION OF POWERS, BUT HE IS A HUMAN BEING. >> Laura: I'M JUST SAYING THIS BECAUSE, LOOK, YOU DON'T Y BECAUSE, LOOK, YOU DON'T U BECAUSE, LOOK, YOU DON'T A BECAUSE, LOOK, YOU DON'T D BECAUSE, LOOK, YOU DON'T I BECAUSE, LOOK, YOU DON'T D BECAUSE, LOOK, YOU DON'T N BECAUSE, LOOK, YOU DON'T T AGREE ON A LOT, BUT I LIKE THE FACT YOU ARE OUT THERE AND ADVOCATING -- I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT. I WOULDN'T CALL YOU MEAN-SPIRITED. WE DISAGREE. BUT I THINK IF YOU ARE ACTUALLY WITH THE PRESIDENT, YOU MIGHT FIND THAT YOU CAN ACCOMPLISH A LOT TOGETHER, AND YOU CAN DO A LOT TOGETHER. I REALLY BELIEVE THAT. HE WILL WORK WITH PRETTY MUCH ANYBODY, AND THAT IS WHAT I HAVE FOUND, IN MY EXPERIENCE, SO I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE. CANDACE, BUT THERE IS THIS TONALITY ISSUE THAT PEOPLE SNEEZE ON WITH THE PRESIDENT. THEY ALWAYS GO BACK TO CHARLOTTESVILLE, THEY ALWAYS GO BACK TO EX-WHOLE COUNTRIES, BASES ON THE TRAVEL BAN, THOSE THREE THINGS, PROBABLY, FOR SOME, JUST WIPE OUT ANY OTHER ACCOMPLISHMENTS. YOUR REACTION? >> I THINK THE PRESIDENT IS DOING SOMETHING, HIS TONE IS DIFFERENT. HE TELLS THE TRUTH AND DOESN'T PANDER TO BLACK AMERICA. HE DOESN'T OFFER US A HOT SAUCE, HE OFFERS JOBS. THAT MAKES PEOPLE UNCOMFORTABLE BECAUSE THEY ARE FROM AN ERA WHERE RACE-HUSTLING AS A BUSINESS. THEY ARE USED TO TELLING AFRICAN-AMERICANS THEY ARE VICTIMS, AND THAT IS NO LONGER SELLING IN AMERICA. I WANT TO COMMENT BACK ON SAYING THAT XENOPHOBIA IS SOMETHING BLACK AMERICANS ARE AFRAID OF. XENOPHOBIA MEANS YOU HAVE A FEAR, MR. WEST, OR FOREIGNERS. BLACK AMERICANS ARE NOT FOREIGNERS IN THIS COUNTRY. WE ARE A PIECE OF THE AMERICAN DREAM, WE HAVE EARNED A PIECE OF THE AMERICAN DREAM, AND WE ARE TIRED OF BEING TOLD WE ARE SOMEHOW SEPARATE OF IT. THAT IS REALLY WHAT I HAVE TO SAY. WE ARE DOING TREMENDOUS UNDER THIS PRESIDENCY. THERE IS NO CANDIDATE OFFERING ANYTHING ON THE LEFT TO COUNTER WHAT TRUMP HAS OFFERED, JUST OFFERING MORE RHETORIC, FEARMONGERING, AND TIME IS UP ON THIS NARRATIVE. WE ARE READY TO MOVE ON AND EMBRACE OUR FUTURE. >> FIRST, XENOPHOBIA IN THE GENERIC SENSE MEANS A FEAR OF OTHER. AND BLACK FOLK HAVE BEEN OTHERRED, ENSLAVED, JIM CROW, SO OTHERRED, ENSLAVED, JIM CROW, SS OTHERRED, ENSLAVED, JIM CROW, SO FORTH. THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN OTHER-IZED. MY DEAR SISTER, MAXINE WATER, LOW IQ. >> SHE DOES HAVE A LOW IQ. THAT IS A FACT. SHE TOOK AN IQ EXAM, YOU'D FIND OUT THAT MAXINE WATERS HAD A VERY LOW IQ. IT MAY NOT BE -- >> A GREAT HUMAN BEING. CALLING -- THIS KIND OF LANGUAGE IS RIDICULOUS. >> I DID NOT USE THAT LANGUAGE PAIRED >> SPEAK ON TALKING AO PAIRED >> SPEAK ON TALKING AT THE PRESIDENT. THE PRESIDENT CALLING -- >> Laura: I THINK THE NASTY LANGUAGE, IT IS ON BOTH SIDES. >> USE THAT LANGUAGE -- >> Laura: THE PREVAILING WISDOM, DR. WEST HIGHLIGHTED IT, IS THAT RACE RELATIONS HAVE BEEN DETERIORATED, ALMOST, UNDER THIS PRESIDENT. THAT IS THE THOUGHT. THAT OBAMA WAS THE GREAT RACIAL HEALER. BUT A NEW STUDY FROM YOU PENN, NOT CONSERVATIVES, FOUND THAT ANTIBLACK PREJUDICE DECLINED BETWEEN 2012 AND 2016, BUT AFTER 2016, IT TOOK A SHARP DIVE, THERE WAS ALSO A GENERAL FALL IN ANTI-HISPANIC PREJUDICE, TOO APPEARED SO PROFESSOR WEST, TO WHAT DO YOU ATTRIBUTE THESE FINI WHAT DO YOU ATTRIBUTE THESE FING WHAT DO YOU ATTRIBUTE THESE FIN? PREJUDICE IS ON THE DOWNSWING, NOT ON THE UPSWING. AT LEAST IN THE FIRST FEW YEARS OF TRUMP. >> BASED ON THIS PARTICULAR STUDY, I WOULD HAVE TO EXAMINE HOW THEY GATHER THEIR EVIDENCE AND SO FORTH, BUT ANTI-JEWISH ATTACKS, ANTI-MEXICAN ATTACKS, AND NOT JUST ANTIBLACK ATTACKS, BUT ALSO THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS, THE MILITARIZING POLICE DEPARTMENTS, WITHDRAWAL OF THE INVESTIGATIONS, WHEN POLICE DO IN FACT SHOOT FELLOW CITIZENS, WHATEVER THEY COLOR THEY AE WHATEVER THEY COLOR THEY A- >> Laura: BUT THAT WAS HAPPENING UNDER OBAMA -- >> ABSOLUTELY, THAT'S TRUE. I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT CONTINUITY. >> Laura: I DO WANT TO SHARE THIS, A MOMENT THAT, GOING BACK TO IT CANDACE WORKED ON AND SPOKEN ABOUT, AND WHAT DR. WEST, I THINK YOU TWO COULD BE HAPPY ABOUT TOGETHER, HAPPENED AT THE WHITE HOUSE, I THINK IT WAS LAST MONTH. AN EVENT COMMEMORATING THE FIRST DEATH ACT. LET'S WATCH. >> AND I REALLY THANK YOU FOR SIGNING. Y'ALL PASS THIS, I'M AN EXAMPLE OF A WOMAN WHO HAS BEEN GIVEN A SECOND CHANCE. AN EXPENSE I WILL NEVER FORGET. TWO MONTHS AGO I WAS IN A PRISON CELL. THAT IS CONTINUING TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN. >> Laura: DR. WEST, I DON'T THINK THEY WERE FEELING XENOPHOBIA OR MEAN-SPIRITEDNESS. I THINK THEY FOUND A PRESIDENT WHO IS WILLING TO WORK WITH PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T EVEN LIKE HIM I DIDN'T THINK HE WAS GOING TO ACCOMPLISH MUCH. AND IT GOT ALMOST NO COVERAGE. WE PLAYED IT ON OUR SHOW, MAYBE A FEW OTHER PLACES, BUT DIDN'T GET ANY COVERAGE BUT WHAT IS YOUR REACTION TO SEEING THAT? >> NO, I THINK THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT ATTEMPT TO ZERO IN ON THIS VICIOUS POLICY IN THE LAST 40 YEARS OF MASS INCARCERATION, TOWARD THOSE ENGAGED IN VARIOUS TYPES OF CRIMES. I'VE BEEN BLESSED TO TEACH IN PRISONS FOR 37 YEARS. SOMETHING THAT HAS AN IMPACT, AND I GIVE THE PRESIDENT CREDIT FOR THAT. IT IS NOT AS IF HE HAS NOTHING TO OFFER, IT IS JUST THAT THE DOMINANT ORIENTATION IS STILL TIED TO WHAT I AM CRITICAL OF WITH BOTH PARTIES, IDENTITY POLITICS FOR ME IS MILQUETOAST, NEOLIBERAL POLITICS, DON'T TALK OF -- THE REPUBLICAN STILL STRIKE ME AS COLDHEARTED AND MEAN-SPIRITED, THEY ARE STILL TIED FOR TIED TO WALL STREET. I GIVE THE PRESIDENT CREDIT, BUT STILL SMALL RELATIVE TO WHAT I AM LOOKING FOR. I'VE SEEN IT IN BOTH PARTIES, EXCEPT FOR BROTHER BERNIE SANDERS, BUT THAT IS ANOTHER CONVERSATION. >> Laura: I HAVE TO GO BACK TO THIS IDEA OF RACE RELATIONS UNDER OBAMA, WHICH I ALMOST FELL OUT OF MY CHAIR ON THE CNN STORY THAT CAME OUT IN OCTOBER 2016, THEY GOT WORSE. 64% OF AMERICANS SAID IT GOT WORSE, ONLY 16% SAID I GOT BETTER. THIS WAS THE END OF THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION. YOU HAVE ALL OF THE THINGS -- THE FIRST AFRICAN-AMERICAN PRESIDENT IN THE WHITE HOUSE, THAT HEALING DIDN'T SEEM TO TAKE PLACE. >> WHEN BARACK OBAMA FIRST WENT INTO OFFICE, I WAS A LIBERAL. I CHANGED MY MIND DUE TO EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE SAYING PRETTY DROVE THIS NATION APART, PRESIDENT TRUMP IS BRINGING THIS NATION TOGETHER. HE'S TALKING ABOUT PATRIOTISM. IT KNOWS NO COLOR OR CREED. THE LIBERAL MEDIA CAN IGNORE ALL OF THE WORK HE IS DOING IN BLACK AMERICA ALL DAY LONG. EVERY STATISTIC IN THE WORLD SHOWS YOU RIGHT NOW THAT BLACK SUPPORT FOR DONALD TRUMP HAS DOUBLED, AND THAT IS MEANINGFUL. I'M TELLING YOU, BY 2020, HE WILL BE THE FIRST PRESIDENT TO CRACK THE BLACK VOTE, TO THE DETRIMENT OF THE DEMOCRATS. >> Laura: PROFESSOR WEST, DO YOU STILL WORK IN PRISON? >> ABSOLUTELY. >> Laura: CAN I COME WITH YOU? >> YOU CAN COME EVERY TIME YOU LIKE. WE ARE GOING TO KEEP TRACK OF HUMANITY, IMAGINATION OF THE BROTHERS AND SISTERS INCARCERATED, MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN UNLEASH THEIR POTENTIAL. BUT I SAY THIS TO CANDACE, THAT I LIKE HER INDEPENDENCE OF MIND. I THINK SHE IS WRONG MOST OF THE TIME, BUT I FIGHT FOR HER RIGHT TO BE WRONG IN THAT REGARD. ABSOLUTELY, BUT I WOULD HAVE WISHED YOU WOULD HAVE MOVED FURTHER TO THE LEFT. WHEN YOU HAVE A BLACK LIVE MOVEMENTS UNDER A BLACK PRESIDENT, IT IS NOT GOING TO BE A MATTER OF THEN MOVING TO THE RIGHT -- >> SOCIALISM HAS ALREADY BEEN TRIED IN OUR COMMUNITY. IT HAS BEEN TRIED BY A WELFARE POLICIES THAT COMPLETELY CRIPPLED THE BLACK COMMUNITY. THE OTHER WELFARE POLICIES, YOU KNOW THAT. I HAD TO CREEP ALL THE WAY TO THE RIGHT. >> SOCIALISM IS POWER-SHARING. SOCIALISM IS NOT GIVING AND BECOMING DEPENDENT ON PROGRAMS. >> MR. WEST, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME, BUT YOU KNOW BLACK CONSERVATIVES NEVER GO LIBERAL, AND THERE'S A REASON FOR THAT. >> BLACK PEOPLE ARE COMPLICATED. BLACK PEOPLE ARE COMPLICATED. WE GO BACK AND FORTH, BUT I WISH
Canadace is such a fucking sociopath lmao, it’s appalling
Called Bernie "Brother Bernie Sanders." I expect the radlib crowd to call Bernie a racist again now that a black man called him "brother."
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You can tell how people kind of soften their stance after Dr. West calls them brother or sister.
The second greatest Mr. West for this one
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He hardly mentions idpol in this entire segment and it’s basically just an off-hand reference. He also didn’t argue well since all he countered the statistics with is that Trump says mean things and creates a mean-spirited atmosphere, effectively prioritizing symbolism over something more concrete.
If anyone was interested in the study that they mentioned here is the link: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3378076
And here is a WaPo article on it:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/05/24/racial-prejudice-trump-presidency-study/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.14be98123add