Are Mass Shootings Really A Mental Health Issue or Is It Just a Deflection w/ Mike Sodini | CNP #4

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outreach and promotion of mental health to reduce the misconceptions and Prejudice that exists when it comes to mental illness and firearms they believe they can be a catalyst for change by working with experts in a mental health industry so with no further ado Mike CD just for people who don't know you Mike what tell us a little bit about yourself alright so I'm third generation firearms industry professional basically grew up around it not necessarily in it my whole life but always around it and went to work for my family business which was not you know nepotism did me right work for my family business and 98 after I graduated college but left but then came back in 2006 and basically ran one of the largest importers in the United States a firearm so I've been on your show before everyone knows that I have a short attention span when I talk about my firearms or what what was then but we imported firearms from Argentina Spain Salah Kia the Philippines and we brought them and sold them in the US had a really big tragedy happen in 2009 and it's the reason why I became president of my own company is because our acting president took his own life with a firearm mm-hmm something that always stuck with me and the team at Eagle imports and then you know in 2018 had the opportunity to create my nonprofit organization called walk the talk America which we'll get into which you were part of and you were part of there you were there when the idea kind of you know it was created and you know 2019 I sold my company to do this full-time and so now I'm officially a hundred percent devoted to walk to talk America sure so let's just was not even mince words let's jump right into walk to talk America so when you decided to start walk to talk America what were some of your apprehension cuz and I'm asking this is kind of a loaded question because I kind of know because like you said I was there all the time what what was your experience like initially cuz I mean you know the gun thing you know with us Pro Gunners and the gun industry I mean you have the mental health side of things I always felt like B sometimes we never and I could be wrong now we never really want to talk about the mental health component and Firearms in depth or at least we just never really had that conversation play out in our part of the world and so you starting this organization what was the initial initial e what would that like how are people responding to the idea you know surprisingly I don't really have the horror stories that most people think I would walking into the mental health side of things for me and I think we are similar the way that we are we're able to play with other people's ideas in a nice manner most of the time right and we try to see where people are coming from I mean you have a lawyer mind you know I've always thought that you could always you know when you look at both sides of the aisle on subjects there's that I use that both sides offer that are important to consider right so I I walked in saying I have to understand that the mental health side might look at me sideways right it's just something that that I expected but I also looked at the mental health side saying they might have some answers and I need to to talk to them about it now on the flip side of that the reason why I wanted to do this is because as gun community the to a community as gun enthusiasts collectors just you know over all believers in freedom and our two-way rights we we tend to get called a lot of bad things which puts us on the defensive and I I was welcomed into this community through my family but I am not the stereotypical what people would think of as the gun guy I mean that's one of the reasons why people call me the on gun gun guy is because I grew up in cities yeah I didn't get the chance to go hunting but what I did understand about the firearms community is how accepting they were of me and how they care so when a mass shooting would happen I would watch the reactions that other because sometimes it would happen like when we're at shows like gun shows like industry shows and I would watch the reactions of the people and you just saw the disappointment and and how sad they were and you know then I'm out and I'm with people that are you know tend to take an anti-gun stands like that kind of she doesn't care all they care about is profits and I'm like well wait a second we nobodies celebrate every anybody celebrate I've never seen anybody even make a joking comment like well we store money's gonna go up like I've never eaten I mean that's the God's honest truth so you know for me just like with any subject in life I think it's it's you know you have to walk here you have to understand that you might get judged but I was there to say that this is not true and that's kind of one of the reasons why I started the organization because it's like we can do something about this yeah we just need your help yeah no it's it's I in doing what I do from an advocacy standpoint I you know I've always had to combat that notion that somehow we're less affected by these tragic shootings because we are pro-gun you know it's it's weird how easily they Mars with the blood of the Dead as if we somehow don't care and you know I've always said no it's not that we don't care it's we we care so much that we want to do everything possible to either prevent or fight against those things we can't prevent and so I think it's a exceedingly unfair for the way that we tend to get typecasted in the gun industry at the same time I do I do feel sometimes that because we're we are always on the defensive and rightly so in a lot of ways because we're constantly you know we're we're always in a position of having to defend things being taken from us versus the other side where it's more so they're trying to take things away from us where since we do become defensive we don't ever really have those conversations and with the other side on the issue especially with the issue of mental health where we could discover those nuances which would allow us to then start the very hard work of trying to figure out how to deal with the mental health and the firearm relationship component of what we all do yeah because it's hard and that's that that's the best of thing the simple talking point is well it's a mental health issue right good cool the hard part is alright now what do we do about that right one of the one of the things that I've what what I really am kind of proud of what we've accomplished and you know it's this is a lot to unravel and in a short period of time but one of the one of my motives was to come to the table and be able to shut people up it was okay you know they say we don't care let's let's find a way to change the narrative of the firearm and the the narrative of the industry and show the rest of the world that we do care and you know there's been instances where I've been able to show people what we do and they have a very anti-god stance and even they were like this is pretty cool like what you're doing is pretty cool so I had that chip on my shoulder you know it's like hey let's find solutions and then you can get really you know the with virtru signaling and all this stuff and everybody says that they care I try to always focus on when someone who's anti-gun I try to give them the benefit of the doubt of saying okay they just don't want people to die and I don't want people to die either right like that's one thing we could have in common ground but then when we get down to it when we get in the weeds of it do you really care about saving lives or are you just you know saying yeah you me doing that from the other side or you mean for the other side well you know it's funny now it's become both right now now there's this level of expectation I always say like we could defend our to a rights how we've always done just be fierce about it not come off you know stand your ground but we can also you know make earth better we can help people we can save lives we can you know we can actually say here's what we're doing and show them our programs our policies the things we do that that helps and I don't think anybody that I've yet to have somebody on either side say what I'm doing doesn't help now I've had people on on our side a don't trust them right like it's all gun grab and everything like that it's the same you know kind of the rhetoric and the narrative that was you know you you're familiar with the organization that that stands for many years right you know but I haven't had anybody say that what we do doesn't help and I mean the manufacturers that have stepped up one of the things we do you know for the listening audience is and you know about this right so I'm preaching the choir but you know we have a flyer that leads to free and anonymous mental health screenings there's like 13 of them there's you know they're in there's a couple that are in different languages and they're they're free and anonymous which is important for people especially the to a community yeah and it it walks through there's one for depression PTSD alcoholism or substance abuse anxiety you know you know we people would have never thought that I could walk over to you know a firearms manufacturer see I need you to put this in the box and you know you have all these manufacturer stepping up there's like 14 now that it looked at that thing and they're like this is awesome on put in the box right and then that's the thing that I think people you know had trouble wrapping their arms around at first it's like all you had to do is ask like it's it's you know it's funny it's almost like uh like remember the movie oblivion Tom Cruise yes yeah you remember how you know they had him thinking that you they're fighting like these what do they call them the scavengers or something like that like they're these scavengers are these alien creatures that we're trying to destroy the earth and then who actually interacts with them I realize ISM no they're actually real people yeah I feel like that's the same type of dynamic we have in the gun debate where you have one side that tries to vilify them in must monster eyes one side and the other side which would be us is we don't say we try to vilify them but we you know like you say we can't really trust you all and I what I've learned on the opposite side is whenever I interact with people who are a generally anti-gun and we start talking about the issues and an extended standpoint you can almost see them you can kind of see the change in their or in the in their eyes where they like oh so they're not all monsters right because the meetings done a great job of propagandizing the idea that you know gun owners are unless you're a hunter of course unless you're a hunter but even then they vilify them too if you're a gun owner you know you're just a bloodthirsty psychopath waiting to take take your first life and people fall for that they do and it's unfortunate but it is the times that we live in and so I think with Walter walk talk America the beautiful thing about it and the reason why you know I wanted to be a part of it is I know a lot of people who deal with mental health issues I've had I've had my own emotional issues I've had to deal with in the past but that same time the most important thing to like he stated was putting in like shutting them up because it's like you can't continue to vilify someone who's actually taking the initiative in the steps to actually fix the problem or try to fix the problem and you know for us you know we know at least I know guns aren't the problem there are other problems and bigger problems that are and a gun is just a symptom of those problems in terms of them being used inappropriately in some respect and for the longest time we've been kind of in our own little corners and so I see walk the talk America it's kind of like this this bridge of sorts where we can have this conversation where it doesn't automatically divulge into this to the the typical rhetoric of all we need to ban this or we need to have we need to have discipline so people don't get this gun and so forth and so on things that don't really necessarily actually apply to fixing in situations or dealing with the issue of mental health one of the biggest things is the issue of for instance the red flag laws right right I'd be the first one to admit it's a very complex complex issue and overtly for me I know I don't I'm not a fan of him yeah it's on a surface level right but at the same time I can't say I can understand other people's perspectives and why they see it as a really good thing right you know I don't agree with it but I can I can see and you know I I want to be able to have a conversation with with someone who sees that and feels that way so that we can get to a point where we're saying okay we've we've we've engaged in exploring this idea of taking guns away from people who we suspect to be a problem and being able to have that conversation and into to show them the dangers of usurping or undermining constitutional rights that we have in this country how easily that can be done by way of red flag laws a lot of people don't even think about those things to that point but again you know they're how do you how do you really drill that in and you like you take the kind of cost-benefit analysis of someone who's actually who may or may not have actually experienced somebody who's close to them who they they know Larry like this person should not have a gun and felt like if I had this in place to take that gun away from them you know that have been much better and it's just it's a it's a very difficult conversation having someone like that and and I don't purport to have all the answers I don't but I think being able to have that conversation to me right now is the most important the most important thing ever because right now we're really all doing is kind of just yelling at each other no absolutely to me some of the solutions that walk talk America is coming up with our alternatives to red flag laws right um there's another organization that they're called holding my gun or mmm they're great organizations all about safe storage in a time of crisis right a place where because everything is usually temporary most mental health is temporary right psychiatrists therapists they'd cease to exist if things weren't temporary crisis is the most important thing where people do damage to themselves or other people but it's looking for alternatives to get these people help and also looking for ways that their guns could be stored where the rights aren't violated until they're better right like that's that's really what we're looking for because you don't always have to take somebody's guns just on a hunch and that's the worst part about it is the due process piece you know let's face it there's all there's there have been examples I mean I David a nastasi his father the story of David Anastasi I have a podcast if anyone wants to go to the mic sedin podcasts and listen that I've had him as a guest he's a pro super Pro to a person that had to red flag his own father and you know I I know that the listeners without getting the full story are just critical you know but if you hear the whole story it's it's a it's a very interesting story because they're what they came to a point where they exhausted every avenue and the father you know basically acted out and and did something and they gave him every opportunity but the fear was you know he had a brain injury and they the concern even though that was never gonna happen right or you know till this day if he listened to his father and he tells his side of the story it was never gonna happen they they were worried about the children that you know because if you're seeing things your elucidating yeah right and that's in crisis like being a paranoid schizophrenic having a brain injury that's making you visualize the outside world differently mm-hm and you know those are those are times of crisis those those are dangerous times but let's face it red flag loss just to way more harm than they do good because it prevents people from from going to get help you know think about the stigma that's involved I you know that's why one of the things when I started working in the mental health side and I was working with Mental Health America and their gun neutral like I need that's that was the most important thing I need you to find somebody who has gun neutral st. I think a lot of people don't realize that though I think a lot of people don't realize that a lot of I don't know if it's a lot of them but there are mental health organizations and you know in programs they are cut neutral it isn't this notion cuz even I had that I had that idea and this was before you even told me about them and I'm thinking a lot of these mental health organizations and and programs they're all super lefty anti-gun people when necessarily that sound necessarily case I will say that there they are left-leaning for sure yeah right I mean and I mean super lefty has a pejorative it's right there is this usual Association would be far left along with being it's almost I don't say it's a natural Association cuz it's kind of busy but there is a natural kind of inclination to feel that anyone who's super lefty is probably gonna be Pro is it gonna be anti-gun Dan Saigon yeah it's really interesting though I'm a big believer so my mentor he he said to me one time I was working you know I worked for his company and he said don't don't ever come to me with a problem if you don't have a solution even if the solution you know it doesn't work out but if you point out a problem we have a problem and I've kind of taken that stance with the organization for walk talk America what what I believe we're doing is going into the mental health side of things and saying we have some solutions and I think that's what most I think that's what a lot of people were looking for for years like you know the gun industry recommend something besides just saying it's mental health yeah you know what I'm saying it's a cop it's a cop it's all easy it's an intellectually lazy argument and keep in mind this comes from somebody who's maybe who's made that argument but made that argument before you know it's it's it's a mental health issue I'm not saying not saying that it's not true it's it but it is intellectually lazy if you don't start diving deeper into what that actually means because I think sometimes what we do is it's like it said we're always in defensive mode and I think rightfully so in a lot of ways but we kind of use it as a shield to repel the attacks on our right mm-hmm you know something happens and then I burn the guns and it's like no like that this is a mental health issue this isn't this isn't a gun issue which is true but I think the responsibility we have as Americans not gun owners but as Americans because I don't think anybody I don't think anybody would deny that I mean I went on Joe Rogan he even mentioned and he even brought it up and Joe Rogan isn't known as the pillar of being pro-gun all right but I'm even talking to people on the side they will acknowledge yeah there it is a mental health issue but the problem is what they want to do is they want we always want to take the easy way out so whereas the gun owners would kind of use it as as a lazy intellectual shield to buffer people's attacks against our rights the other side will utilize it as a way to justify an overtly easy solution as they see fit in their minds so we're all engaging in a level of intellectual laziness so they want to just ban guns they don't want actually deal with the problem they just want to ban the guns because if they don't have the access to the guns and we don't have to deal with their mental health issues and I don't think that is right I don't I don't think that's the way we should be approaching this I think we should be rolling up our sleeves and trying to figure out all right well here's the thing like so when I first got into this being naive actually worked in my favor sometimes me being naive about things all over my face and then other times they hate they worked in my favor this one did because I had no I you know I didn't know like I you know was talking to so I didn't know who the players were I didn't know who the important people were on the mental health side yeah and I end up getting ahold of this gentleman named dr. Jeffrey Swanson from Duke University and I was reading some articles about you know what you know I did my research before and I just reached out to him I think all his office I didn't realize it was kind of like calling you know LeBron and being like hey man I need some help shooting free-throws did you call me and tell me if my elbows hate me and he called me he gave me some homework like he I called and I sent an email as well and he sent he sent some articles he wanted me to read them and I read him as a you know 14 pages of stuff and sorry you read yeah I took my ASU diploma so so you know I read them and English language by the way it's awesome No so I read them and I got back to me and he said okay you know here's one thing you need understand stop acting like you stopped the next mass shooter and to me you know I I was like no that's what I want to do I want to stop the next mass shooter everybody in the firearms industry wants to stop the next mass shooter so what if we provided the money and then the mental health people went out there did their thing what I couldn't understand is why the mental health community dr. Jeffery Swanson Debbie plotnick the vice president of Mental Health America you know full-blown partner with with walk talk America they were pushing me to suicide and I kept saying yeah that's great I I want to stop suicides too but I really want to stop my shooters well the truth of the matter bro is that you can't stop mass shooters it's like finding a needle in a haystack yeah and they know that which is so what what okay so for me to go back and say you know you know hey I just want to focus on this they're like you're gonna waste your time and that's where I feel like it's important over the to last two years developing our own programs that are started by people in the firearms industry right to show them okay maybe we can cast a wide net will focus on suicide because that's the intersection of where firearms and and mental health meet yeah but you know in the meantime we'll cast that wide net will get rid of the stigma of mental health and maybe we'll catch one of those guys in the net you know not even know it that's the beauty of it like making mental health more accessible without fear of consequence yeah maybe had somebody down the road you know earlier upstream to prevent you know the unpredictable which basically mass shooters ARDS you that every mass shooter you look at there is a hundred thousand kids that did the same thing that never did that yeah it's it's true I mean that's the hard part of finding in and I always give this example to put it in perspective you could take ten people that have bipolar disorder and hand them a firearm and they will live the rest of their life without hurting themselves or anybody else with that firearm then you could hand me a firearm I just go out and I buy a firearm a week later I catch my best friend sleeping with my wife and I act on an impulse with anger and I shoot them mmm right so that's not mental health I mean clearly there is something wrong to take a life or I think like but you take your ten people with bipolar disorder that I've never heard anybody and you say they can't have guns and then I go buy a gun legally and in a fit of rage or maybe one day I'm I'm drinking I'm drinking too much or I'm doing cocaine and I'm I'm not in the right mind frame I could do something that somebody who has had mental health issues their whole life right throw like talk about me in with that guy and that that helps put it in perspective right yeah you know that yeah that's would call it nuance but I mean that's a part of a conversation nobody really talks about because that was one of the biggest issues I had with kind of generalizing this idea of mass shooters being just a mental health issue thing is the dangers of kind of because I hear people all the time they'll say well we need to have mental health evaluations and we need to have a mental health assessment before you can buy a gun and do all this stuff I was like I hear you but the problem with that is have y'all don't even know what real mental health actually is and then everybody attributes the fact that mental health means inevitably you're going to engage in some level of violence and that couldn't be further from the truth you know and I use the analogy it's like well anxiety is considered mental health ninety percent of damn country it's tilted anxiety does that mean that we prevent them from owning a firearm right you know those people people aren't going out and engaging in levels of violence some of them are but not to the degree where we say we just take the guns away from them because they're they're inherently violent because we're dealing with anxiety or you know their anxiety which you know could you know many times is a precursor to dealing to bouts of depression as a result of fighting or dealing with anxiety you know oh wow they're gonna become suicidal simply because they're depressed you know there are tons of people who are depressed and aren't suicidal right so most people that had old mental illness walk around the earth sad and anxious yeah right and the funny thing is I think it's because it's it's for the love of it like just to be but you know interest full disclosure I've had I've had my experience with dealing anxiety and the sadness I felt dealing with it wasn't that I wanted to leave the world I was I was I was sat because I loved life so much I don't like this interfering with the love and enjoy that I have of life right you know and then it was it who knows bothering me and so I never bleed l t'what I was dealing with him the other side of it but I think those are the things that a lot of people which is weird because a lot of people suffer from from deal with a lot of people deal with this but at the same time they don't really you know we they don't no one really talks about it to degree or in the level that we're kind of talking about it now where it's like well no it's not always the case always violent or they're walking around angry no it's really more they're just kind of sad and depressed or anxious as you put it and so it's it's I think the inability or the fact that we haven't had this conversation more on the public stage I think is doing huge disservice not to the issue of the gun debate but a but to the country as a whole because yeah you know it's just I don't know it's always been weird to me why we don't focus on it cuz it seems like something that it seems like it's so obvious to me see I feel like in this of course I'm gonna talk about the things I do and like out in a loving way like it's my child right cuz walk the talk America is my baby I mean we're friends outside of this you had many conversations you know how I feel about myself and I'm just isn't some punk kid from New Jersey I know but like to me in one year I made it to the White House and that's a little bit of a humble brag but from conception to where we are now and what I've accomplished I work hand in hand with the VA now I'm so proud that we're going to be able to change the narrative of the firearm because my whole thing the drum that I beat is look we don't need to tell people what to do we don't need laws we need to make the firearm a conduit for people to get the help they need without fear of consequence right that's the main thing most people that own a firearm will go see a therapist if they knew that that therapist was - a friendly right they'll work out issues but if you're gonna put policies in place or fear even if it's just fear-mongering right that's going to prevent people from getting the help they need before they get to what I like to call stage four right meant all the talked about before Stage four then where we're screwed all right you're gonna see more people die especially first responders and combat vets which that's a huge issue to me that's why I had to feel I felt like we needed to step up and do something because it was like the elephant in the room that we didn't want to talk about yeah you know because we just didn't want to go there but I'm looking at our industry and I'm like we're losing more people or losing more of our own this is interesting this is kind of a I like to use this when I go on a speaking engagement October 1 right the massacre down at Mandalay Bay mm-hmm in in Vegas 58 people died that day by you know 59 total if you include the gunman right you know they were shot and killed 58 people die every day from suicide by firearm so we have an October 1 every single day that's crazy yeah and think about if the me you know why you don't hear about is because it doesn't sell ad space right but if the media did what they did they're doing now with like the kovat 19's where they're starting to list them individually yeah right it's if every day you turn on the news and the media is like today you know John in South Dakota carrying but you just went down firearm suicide by firearm desk-side a we'd have a mass shooting every day and that's makes me it helped put it in perspective it helped me understand why there's this push from the mental health side but circling back to your point why there's not more conversations I feel like it's all been in the approach I think we've gotten so lost in the fighting that people are afraid to talk to the other side all right because if they feel like they're gonna get frustrated and you know and I think it's also become almost almost like almost like a game in terms of talking you know with respect to the gun debate I feel like now it's more about winning more or less than it is about actually solving the problem and in you know what let me let me take on the mainstream media side of it as far as from from where these conversations of what platforms these conversations are being had on I think on a mainstream media side of it it's about winning it's almost it's almost gladiatorial in a sense I think in our personal lives you know when you're sitting at a table and you're having a conversation about the issue I think it's I think that's where the meaningful discussions tend to really happen the problem is a lot of the information because of what's going on in the gladiatorial side of the debate is people trying to win is the people a lot of people are getting a lot of misinformation because and this is not me just taking sides because I'm up because I'm pro-gun but you know the mainstream media a lot of people listen to them they have huge platforms and mainstream media by and large as anti-gun mainstream media by and large is ignorant on firearms mainstream media by and large has an agenda so the information they put out is the same information at the people who go that will then take and then when you're having these more personal intimate conversations with people where the egos aren't so much invested to the degree that it is on the public platform stage they're they're utilizing the information that they're getting from that side though that's the problem and if I don't find a way to turn this phone off it's driving me insane like I thought I had it on mute and this thing is just going nuts oh look it's you trying to show the world how popular let's try to go oh my gosh it's driving me crazy and it's funny how it works cuz I get mad at the person who's sending the text message as if they know I'm trying to conduct a podcast right now but the problem is is they you know they come to the table with false information and then so I think the we have an uphill battle on our side because first we have to re-educate then we can have the conversation you know what I mean and it's unfortunate I really do think it's unfortunate but it's it's a battle that we have to take off as far as far as I'm concerned it just needs to be had not for the sake of just you know for the sake of protecting you know will we find important but just for the still overall kind of success of the country as a whole well this you'd even know it but you just gave me some great segue into something I want to talk about so I've always looked at gun ownership and mental illness and said both both of them run parallel to each other we just don't talk to each other right yeah both of us are victims of people that have molded us to fit their agenda right whatever group is anti or whatever you know it's the way that it's shaped it's horrible but one of the things that you know when I first started this I told you I just want to throw money at mental health right yeah you you guys fix it you had the answers I hadn't got disappointed in them at one point because I was like you guys are you argue anything more than talking points like if I have to hear like mental health awareness and the stigma like these things that I hear over and over again and then when you'd ask people what do you do for outreach how do you how do you help people they're like well we could write that stuff we'll figure it out well it took me a while but I started figuring out ways that we could as the to a community do things so one of them was we started this class that brings mental health professionals into the to a community so we hold it a gun range then we've had three of them so far well actually two we have a third one it got cancelled because of kovat but what we do is we give CEU credits which is taking education credits for you know mental health professionals most doctors everybody has to has a certain amount of credits every year to stay up to date with their profession but what we do is we bring these people into the range usually it's between fifteen to twenty students many of them have never shot a gun but they're all therapists or mental health professionals in some aspect and it's gun 101 you'd be bored as hell right most most people in our community be bored as hell but the great part about it is there's just not a stupid question they could ask and you know me being beyond gun gun guy right I get to tell all my stories of how like the first time I fired a firearm I almost [ __ ] myself so I had to fake my way through it I was just watching the people that went before me saying you know because my ego wouldn't let me say so so after this course is done they get range time and after this course is done there's a lot of deep briefings and what's really awesome is I think a lot of people in the in our community would be shocked at how many people in the mental health side of things didn't even know we were scared to come talk to them because of the narrative of counselors are just gonna take your guns like there's some bat phone you know and what we we learned from that and and Jake wiskirchen who is another walk to talk America board member who's been an asset because he's a huge to a guy and if you one day you gotta have him on the show but if you if you ask him he had to he tells this very funny way he goes I had to come flying out of the to a closet because he's like you know I hid the fact that I was super pro-gun from you know my peers because they tend to be anti-gun and it wasn't until he discovered walk to talk America but he had me on his show he has a show called noggin notes which deals with mental health I was excited because it was the first time that I was good you know I've been in the I was in the echo chamber for years right just talking to cutting people but then when the mental health side started to bring me in like what is this guy up to you know Jake and I developed a relationship and he has two facilities up in Reno you know he's a licensed therapist everything so you know we we we developed these classes Rob Pincus teaches the course where there's actual shooting and also kind of just gun 101 right we bring them in we sit him in a classroom they can ask you know we put to bed all those debates well what's the reason why why is the air 15 look so scary and and why do people you know fight so hard to keep that legal well we explain that but when you bring people into an environment where they're not on guard yeah you know they're not on the defensive they're learning and I start off the class hey you know listen what you're about to do right now is nerve wracking right you may come out of this and say I never want to shoot a gun again but at least now I understand the to a community which is just like the skateboarding community and the surfing community and the golf kids and the Star Wars nerds right where we are a lifestyle I mean and that's I think people forget that you know Rob Rob mentions one of the classes the very first one he broke it down beautifully and he used cars as an example right and he said cuz well you know you get this question all the time why does anyone need more than one gun we laugh at it right because it's so simple man it's like obvious does right and you could you know I've had to say why does anyone need to own you know more than one lipstick why does it you know but that's that's a little lazy way answering it Rob's answer was really cool he he started breaking down car ownership some people take it for transferred you know use a car for transportation some are collectors some like to drag race so you know it was really cool how he did it and he talked about how you know if you just plug in a gun there you'll understand why there's different walks of life right within the firearms community so it's little things like that that help bridge the two worlds and we learned in the in the same vein right we learned that mental health clinicians can't just take your guns except for in New Jersey and Massachusetts in New York those are the three bad places Kali's trying to get there too but this is the stuff where I work with Mental Health America and I say everything you've taught me about not stigmatizing people with mental health these laws that they're doing these things like the New York's a fact that stigmatizes people pretty much yeah it does I mean we have people comes I mean I had a kid I call every kid I'm from New Jersey but ask man but I had a kid come through the website one time and and he was telling me you New York and he said when I was 20 years old I was madly in love with this girl and she broke my heart and I I started being self-destructive you know he said I never would hurt anybody but I went into a deep depression over love right I mean that's it happens I don't know anything with it I wish people knew the irony behind that statement considering the one I'm talking to right now maybe we do our own like podcast some other day no but so he he got to a dark place and he started cutting started cutting his arms which is common a lot of people do it when they're in crisis or you know they're they're not in the right frame of mind and he did the right thing he went and got help and he never it you know he basically just turned himself in and said I need help I'm in a dark place well I'll cut to you know years later he's perfectly fine grounded individual great job has a great girlfriend you know way over this one never wouldn't do anything like that again and he can't get a fire because the New York SAFE Act so like when he tells me this story I'm like oh I'm telling the first thing I do is I called Debbie at Mental Health America and she's like no we hate to say fact we hate it and I'm like okay let's do something let's get this thing turned around like you know this is the the [ __ ] that that gets put on people this is why no one wants to come forward and get help now the conspiratorial aspects of my mind kick in when I hear stuff like that and I think that's kind of what they want I don't the more the more I do this and longer I do it the more I start to realize I think the people are meaningful lot of misguided a lot of them misinformed but I think they're I think their hearts are in a good place I do not think the powers that be are right and I'm not really a conspiracy theorist but I don't think they care that you know just I don't think they care about the stigma that it places I'm gonna sigh don't think they care about the fact that this guy who clearly is not a danger to anyone I'm is no longer a danger to himself and shows no signs of ever becoming a danger to themselves or anyone else I don't think they care that he can't own a gun now I think they want it that way they accomplished their goal the stigma gives them the power they need to take that thing from them that which they want to take and I think they don't want us having these conversations I think the bigger walk to talk America gets the more pushback you're gonna start to see it maybe have some pretty big news that I want to share with you well no no I'm okay no I mean they're it's amazing I I think you're right I think there's gonna be be groups that maybe push back or well let me clarify when I say powers-that-be I'm not talking about some big government of cabal I'm talking about the people who have a vested interest in pushing their anti-gun agenda certain yes serving special interest groups that are big they're our only drive is to make owning a firearm as hard as possible I think that's where you'll start to see the pushback because they will see this they'll see this way it's no different than what they do with me when they see me going on the different shows like Bill Maher and you know Iran Iran 'ok enough you actually there with me when i was on it right and they weren't that amazing crazy you know you know if anything is they actually almost tried to shame him into not doing something like that again and they did that know by way of basically saying I destroyed him and I'm like I felt he gave me a fair chance and when I go back and I read the articles where they write that I realized what they're doing is they tried to cater to what they cater to what they're trying to do is they're trying to assault his ego so that he's never ever ever puts himself in a position to have a conversation where he may be wrong on something ever again especially on a gun issue because they don't want those conversations to happen same way I don't think they want these type of conversations I don't think they want you making inroads with people know how intimate to health and mental health community I don't think they want that because you know I I I agree with you I think you're gonna get I think so that's my whole thing right I I walk and maybe me still being naive like I feel like Olli in Olympic Village I feel like I'll still get the gold yeah I gotta feel like I'll knock you out if you try to like what oh no I I do I was I keep going even harder yeah I wasn't saying that to be a defeatist like I'm Anderson no no no no no I I hear what you're saying but you know I want to bring this back to you for a second huh one of the amazing things that I wish people saw because they saw the Bill Maher interview mmm and you gained a lot of fans for that in the mental health community because I remember like talking with Debbie plotnick from MHA and she's like I saw him that's the guy that was on Bill Maher once again she's like I love him I want to meet him like that's the power you have is because you you don't get emotional and I know people would why did you go up there and start a fight and you didn't but what people didn't see is even the one person that was giving you push back during the show yeah at the after-party was being cool as hell yeah it was crazy and the weird thing is it was what what I realized you know just being in that space that was kind of the first time I was in a space like that and I call I call it to Hollywood see right and everybody I talked to it was interesting oddly fascinated by me because you know there's always there's been this divide where we don't get to interact with each other on it on a on a real on a real basis because for the longest time they've I they gave the gun community has been ostracized socially as extremist fringe lunatics so there's no real interaction between gun people from the south or Midwest and then people who are from like the west coast or the East Coast like there's none of that really so I think when they when they came across me and I think I think to some degree some of their soft or loose of bigotry and I and I say that with the most love possible they couldn't understand why is this young black man so adamantly program right and when they sat down and we have the conversation or they watched a conversation with me and bill I think they realized that you know maybe I've been looking at this the wrong way and and I mean that in the best way possible I do because the conversations that I was having with these people and you were there in the room with me and you were watching it from from afar in third-person not what saying the girl I was flirting with but they were really kind of like they were blown away the kid there's no other way to put it it was like oh there's like they're really blown away at me not fitting their there their expected stereotypical view of what a gun owner is but then also listening to what I was saying and realizing huh you have something you may be you may be onto something there that I never thought about so that was that was a very very very wild experience for me and in a good way and I think I think there was a lot of head ground that we gained and in what happened off camera versus what most people saw on camera as you've pointed out yeah that after party there was the funny part was I got to talk to a lot of people because there was a line to talk to you so they had to away it's like they had to go through me is the game like I'll talk to this guy until that person stops talking about and then I'll just for when I stop or when it's not flirting with the makeup girl yeah but I see and that's what I feel I've said this like everybody when I look at somebody in the firearms community right and they are just like private from my cold dead hands yeah and they aren't giving an inch I actually we need those people all right I never look at that person and say I wish they just shut up like I just let them do their thing my approach is never been that though I approaches let's have a conversation let me you know if you're totally against what I do and you're you're being nonsensical like let me take you out to the deep end of the pool and then let me drown you yeah with common sense but no you know so like my thing is you can't change somebody's mind if you're not willing to have the discussion that's never worked for me yeah never been able to just like bully my way through something I hate to cut you off you just made me think of something and it might be I think it's a great analogy but it might be might not be I just ruined what would have been an excellent insight on your part anyway I I employ the gun community we have to understand we have to be a Swiss Army knife of advocacy like you said we need the people who are not one inch right we need them we need the people like you who are more of a scalpel killer let me drown you on the deef and of the common sense pool you know I far as to say even you know just like we need we need the gamer types we need the gun bunnies I might have my own selfish motivations for that but you know like I we've got to be multifaceted in a way that we approach our advocacy because if we are one way we're going to miss out on a ton of people who we need however you look at the end of the day we may be a constitutional republic but to a degree if we do not have the general population on the side we are [ __ ] right court of public opinion is that gun community has to go mainstream I don't mean go mainstream at the cost of our ideologies or go mainstream to the point where we water down our messaging but we have to understand that everyone has a role everyone and the difference in the manner in which we approach those flows are what make us unstoppable because writing on the other side there's only they'd only have one tool right and and it's a blood it's a blunt tool but there's some sophistication to it don't don't undermine these people it's like like they they know what they're doing but when we have two people on our side all right that's why you want to say the people like the people you have the people on your side we're unstoppable that's what that whole essence of this country is it's about the people right and then there's a unfortunately there's a lot of people that don't have the knowledge or the information or the experience with respect to this issue and so it's up to us whether it's right or wrong whether it's fair or not we have to do the legwork we have to do ground work we just have to and if that means that mike has to drown people on the deep end of the common sense pool and so be it the earth have a you just you say something and then you're like okay I just did that that was that moment and you know it came to mind - yeah my kind of going on top - no just possibly to know about mental health but this is my podcast damn it we talked about like even with the race issue I think one of the things and you know I'll get into this more extensively in another episode uh you know they're a lot of people to follow me they're like when I mention or a segment then I specify the racial component about firearms and Second Amendment and things like that in a brace it's about we're all Americans yeah I understand that but you have to understand it for the experience of other people in this country who don't look like you that is the lens in which they view the world so I have to speak to them with the language that they understand because otherwise they'll just dismiss me and not taking any of my information and because you have lived an experience or lived a life where race wasn't a big issue or concern for you doesn't mean that somebody else had right and decide I think we've got to understand that that when I lot of times when I'm sometimes some of my videos and some money talking points they may not even be they may not be for you the overall goal is the same to a advocacy but that particular message may not be for you that day because I'm talking to a specific group of people who need to hear a specific message that speaks to their experience because otherwise it'll just go oh it'll literally just fall on deaf ears because it's not relatable and I think it's it's that's one of the things we have to understand it's a comunist very important because sometimes we'll water when it just is about how's everything about race don't don't derail what I'm trying to do overarching yeah I think for the most part just like I always say this to people especially when I'm talking to like a mental health crowd I grew up watching Star Trek right it was like one of my favorite shows as a kid and I loved that harmony of the bridge right like there is all different walks of life like with a common enemy out there and I think that most people share that same type of view of life so they they're like well all lives matter you know well yeah okay yeah that's great you know that is true all lives matter local all of us like that like it's a cliche right but I've never understood why people get so emotional cuz I've always said you could be you know probe black lives probe probe black lives and Procop lives like you wonder something you don't see both of them yeah it's like it's weird how people will just get emotional about that because like you know growing up back east you know my family was like super proud of being Italian American and my buddy down the three doors down there I was super proud of being Puerto Rican and when we would go on our italian-american rants about how great we were gay people would just laugh like we didn't you know I just don't say that you know it's just weird it was I love I love people who are proud of their culture I love yeah I love it with your white black Spanish in the end whatever the case like I think it's beautiful I I don't take offense to it it doesn't bother me now if you're trying to use it to somehow tell me how inferior I am then I have a problem but I I don't get it either by my own I have my own inclinations as to why some people get told mad about stuff like that but me personally I like I like seeing it because I then I think it's the multitude of our cultures is what makes us so beautiful you know without trying to sound like a tree hugger but it's the truth you know I'm gonna think about I'm a freakin in and never more that I I become to appreciate this and when I got into firearms honestly because I was a little black kid growing up in a city country I didn't grow up with guns and the deeper I got into this to the gun culture I started to experience different cultures that I had not intended to and I've taken pieces from it and I've incorporated into Who I am the same way if I were getting into another facet of life I take pieces of it that I like and incorporate it as well I am and I think that's what we should be all doing as people not at the loss of your identity I think having your personal I didn't like I hate identity politics but I do believe in maintaining your own identity right right I just don't like the weaponization of identity right I don't like that so for me you know i-i've always been of a mindset you take all the good that you see from people and you try your best incorporated into yourself if you got through it and then throw away that throw over the right throw away the rest of stuff that doesn't apply or that you think is bad or negative yeah I mean I think that's how I end up growing a society it's interesting I was having a conversation with Kenny Barlow from arms Corps you know we're doing a podcast and Kenny made this great point about the to a community he's like it's one of the biggest tents it's one of the big the biggest umbrellas under the amendments yeah right so if you're if you feel that you know people bash and kill gays right like an arm gays not gonna get bass no it aren't you know gay persons not gonna get back so come come on in right you're black and you feel that you know the racist white guy could hurt you come on in your arm now come in great like we're so accepting of all these these different groups when you stand for the to a community it's it's weird when we get frustrated when when someone kind of beats the drum of a certain thing yeah I feel like sometimes like people feel like okay so if you're sitting there and you're talking about oppression I've never oppressed anybody right I would I've always been the guy like if it doesn't apply to me I don't I don't I don't concern myself with it right I know you're not talking to me I I've been around people that have gone off on certain things that they just don't like like so uh you know social injustice and everything like that and you know I'm like he's not talking about me I've never done anything I know he's talking about is talking about the [ __ ] that did it because it's like you can't you can't deny someone's experience you know and I think I think I think the problem is sometimes is and it's maybe it's just a nature of platforms but people take things when you hear things like white supremacy oppression and things like that yes they are very broad they're very general it's a very inclusive term a phrase right but you can't deny someone's specific reality if they've experienced something how can you deny that now I may not be to the degree in which the word of the term a phrase that they use purports it to be but when you deny it Xhosa and you don't acknowledge it to any degree how do you expect to be able to have a conversation with someone like that you refuse to accept the realities in which they've experienced right you'll get nowhere you'll get absolutely nowhere I'm not telling you you need to go out there and say yes I as a white man I'm responsible for every bad thing that has happened to you I can't stand white guilt to me it's almost more racist than somebody being overtly racist I can't stand it because it's it's it's insulting its it kind of almost turns turns me into a child of sorts in their eyes but at the same time right know some people have experienced very blatant racism some people have experienced not so blatant racism they know it they've experienced they know it in their heart they can't prove it though or it's so subtle no one else sees it right it's just that you can't take that away from somebody and expect them to just toss that out and then and then expect to be able to develop some type of a relationship or or certain dialogue and be able to converse with them objectively it's justice it's impossible because you're not acknowledging a very real experience that I have the same way that if I were to attribute the bad things that are done to me from someone else and say that you're responsible for them you're not gonna talk to me I didn't oppress you like why would I have this conversation with your ID you're talking to me as if I'm the one doing it no we're not gonna have that conversation so flip it I've experienced I've experienced this in my life and and as a result I think I think it's an issue to a degree but then you tell me well dog do you know but that doesn't happen it never happens that you're just blowing this out of proportion I think expect me to have a conversation with you right it's happened for somebody who has you know it does it feels wrong not to let people address things that's it that's the other thing that always cracks me up for our community right is sometimes there's a lot of irony and you know what people be freedom to push me go ahead no it's like that's that's part of freedom now in the same in in the same breath I could see like the alternative here's here's the weird thing too about that right so you know you have Charlemagne God for instance one of the one of the many things that he says on a consistent basis is you know you can do whatever you want in this country but don't be surprised how people react you you know people are allowed to react the consequences of what you do are the consequences so when you take him for instance there than the idea notion of kneeling he was very much supportive of that and he criticized the idea of somebody you know the people who've been who got mad and things of that nature like there's there's contradictions to go around because at the same time it's like yes he had every right to do it and as a result people had every right to react the way they want to do so they didn't want to watch him anymore they don't support him in the more so be it and vice versa but the problem is it's we get offended before we can have the real conversation on both sides because right we feel some type of way and it's just like uh we all go black and we black out and then that conversation that's get happening it doesn't help that the media flames it they flame oh they are the worst oh man it's like there's no room for nuance it's like I understand what I don't agree with it I understand why I did it though yeah I I'm the same way right and I think people get like I've had people like yeah that's such a cop-out answer cuz I'm like look I understand why I did it I wouldn't do it yeah and they're just like that's such a lazy way of trying to answer that but you know what it would really turn my hard cuz I want to make this no no it's not that's not because I realized I was talking about get no no but we really turned me around about the whole situation was finding out how much he does give back to charity mm-hmm right so I've been able to separate the guy kneeling from the person whose philanthropic and I had arguments with people whether they're like well Healy gives to whatever you know his own you know his own things I'm like well what okay what does he give to no one ever has been able to answer that I almost got in a fight one time with a guy I was like well let's look it up because I don't know what he gives to either and I guess in my mind I'm going I hope he just gives like all around mmm and it's like he does like when Texas was flooding he gave a lot of money you know so light Mexican yeah ya know it's it's it's it's hard man it's even in because nobody in and you know somebody says oh that's such a cop-out answer I don't like no you just want an easy answer because that answer it's very nuanced because on the surface level I say I don't agree with how he did it what he did but I understand it so instead of saying that's a cop-out answer you need to ask me okay so why did you agree with it and then why did you and why did you not agree with what he didn't and then also what aspect of it about it do you understand that's see that's that's that's called dialogue we're not we're not binary creatures it's nothing you know go ahead sorry no it's it's just strange to the other thing that always you know puzzles me is that if he just stood there and you know did what he was supposed to do by what we as society say is the right thing to do which you know I think standing is great I stood all my life for it but it's funny how the guy who could be behind him while he's kneeling mmm beats the [ __ ] out of his kids he's the [ __ ] out of his wife has a cocaine problem doesn't give a dollar to charity and he just gets a free pass because he says there with his hand over his heart and he's good at football you know yeah yeah oh no one ever goes like let's go down the team line well you know I think part of it too is kind of it's like kind of an out of sight out of mind component right you know it's it's because football is generally about entertainment and so I think for a lot of people it's like we don't we we almost use we use the use football of sports as a way to escape and so I can see the argument for some people who are like don't inject reality into my [ __ ] entertainment and form of escape because I come here I pay my money and I watch this to get a away from all their [ __ ] that's in the world so when he does that it brings it all rushing in it may not be rational right it may not be a logical component or reaction but it is what it is I guess because I don't want if I want politics I'll go watch politics and they see someone talk about politics and do political [ __ ] when I watch football I want to see entertainment so yeah that guy over there he's a bum he beats his wife he does drugs he does all that [ __ ] and we all would really care about it until it comes to light right you know cuz then what does it do it forces us to confront the reality so it's hard to separate hard to suspend our belief our belief of reality to then focus on the entertainment when you know this guy beats his wife it's just like I can't just watch him throw ball anywhere it's funny because yeah you know yesterday I was going down the the when I when I work out these days because I I caught the kovat 19 pounds or whatever I i watch YouTube and I go down the YouTube rabbit hole and I came across this piece on Carl Malone who I've met Carl before yeah and on the on the surface like Carl's an awesome dude he's fun because I had to say relevation the other day watch this video about Carl's family life what Carl's done these children and the children that he fathered that he wouldn't recognize the underage baby with and how he just [ __ ] on them and I'm like Carl's a [ __ ] scumbag it was like literally like one of my you know cause like I said I met Carl like a couple years ago at shot show me hung out one night and I was just like [ __ ] fun guys like me yeah and then I was like no we're nothing and that's the odd thing right but you want to make it worse cuz I just found out something the other day and I was like Jesus I saw I saw a post now I think it's I think it's verified but basically he hit on Kobe Bryant's wife mm-hmm and they were friends and like him him his him his wife think I'll be right in his wife they were friends and he hit a couple Brian's wife and then when Kobe var his wife brought it up to her and he called him on the he admitted it to Kobe but then when he brought it when she brought it up to the wife he denied it now keep in mind I saw this on a Instagram post so I don't know how true it is but from what I saw it looked to be pretty verified so I just thought that was I was like yeah that's that's immoral dick [ __ ] he's a low-key scumbag and I met him too and I did I've done an interview with I mean he was cool as hell um you know so it did it yes it created some internal conflict considering the guy I met versus some of the stuff I know you know and then it's like alright how much of that do I believe and if it is true it's like oh god yes you know if you watch to think about what he did to the children you father mm-hmm you get a whole new perspective like one thing I can't tolerate is like the whole hurting kids thing no father to so and I was a single dad for a long time I had custody of my daughters I'm raising them now you know they've been with me forever yeah I I never ever would have let a child walk this planet without me being in their life yeah right even if I didn't want that child yeah it's unacceptable to me good that's you know there's other things in life or you're probably like yeah he bends his moral compass when it cuts of children like it's [ __ ] you yeah you know but yeah it's that was the mailman thanks for ruining my fantasy bastard yeah run into one day saying about me on that podcast of yours bro I'm like I I got dude that dude is so good-looking and so like he's Carl he's the mailman we were on a bar women were just hanging off of him you got to go after Kobe's wife like but you know I mean but you know I mean come on you know you know I keep in mind I'm not justifying this [ __ ] at all however I can see why he would do that because you always want what you can't have right you know said that weird weirdness about us as human beings well we can't have we long for what we have even if it's a high quality we tend to dismiss it and I can't think of anything more forbidding than the idea that he would be able to bang Kobe Bryant's wife right right and so if you are if you are scumbag and had that type of personality then that's that's gonna entice you to a point of yeah obsession yeah if you take my wife for me you better take her take her you guys better get married pretty much you know what I'm saying like you're my if you're my friend and you move on something that I have been involved with my theory is this better be a fairytale ending for you yeah yeah pretty much you have to commit to that yeah I like you you're yella for life yes it's not the way I don't get down like that I've never appreciated people that do that I tell it even my friends now and they talk about somebody that's that's his girlfriend yeah we're bait we're in Vegas all right so ah all the good things must come to an end yeah I know this always happens we'll be dog did it it just gets worse and worse and worse but more entertaining more entertaining God could you imagine could you imagine someone sitting around some of our drunk conversations there's only two people that could possibly have a conversation together that's Trump and Biden where people would be like what are they talking about did they get here by tonight the debates are gonna be like that it's like crazy homeless people standing next to each other having a conversation with the air I don't know why I just came to my mind why worry were you at the W in Hollywood when I fell asleep in the middle of the lobby yes I was exhausted I was drunk and all I remember is waking up like holy crap I was in the middle of a full blown conversation with Mike and I fell asleep yeah yeah yeah thank God that that was the weekend of the Beatty Awards Oh remember how crazy that was because I didn't realize the Beatty we're just happy so when I checked into the hotels we met up we met up at a different time like you were already at a hotel you moving over the W is before you were you yeah I was I was I think I was at dubbing Beverly Hills yeah but I just remember like looking around going wait a minute everybody's iced out [Laughter] wearing now later colored jackets and it's a hundred degrees out I don't know I don't know how many people have ever stayed at the W in Hollywood the W in Hollywood is insane on a regular day you throw in Beatty Awards in that mix and it just turns to a hole I don't like to W Hollywood honestly just always too much going on but man that was insane that that day we were there was in sane yeah yeah I had a good time yeah it was it was a blast there was an absolute blast even even yeah even in Vegas oh when we went to encore B oh yes yes i it was no it was a compliment a right now it was a complete numb reality for me the entire time for all these reasons but that was amazing yeah that was the that was the that was the time when you were like we are going out later tonight ready and I remember like my friends being like okay well we'll go out for him you know like we all rallied and we all met at the rally point just so hard it was so savage it was like his yeah I remember that I was so adamant I'm like no we're all going out tonight we're doing like we're doing this where's the king of wishful the king of wishful thinking I'm dogfighting multi-tasking everybody listening no the the funniest part about that night or that day was and this goes for anyone that goes to Vegas you could have the best intentions in the world a tad a club or a pool party right when you're you're in know and that Sun cocktails done seven o'clock yeah done done my I was up done right I'm telling you right now it could be I don't know what what what starlet actress am I in love with now you know I changes every six months pick one she could walk into my room right now and I would I'm just I'm just gonna stay asleep you know you nope you say to the wet bar I'm just gonna stay asleep okay was it was it was they just range you on a level that I had never experienced before and I had every intention every intention I'm coming back out I promise you I promise you I know you hate me for it but I promise you I had every intention but yeah I know you did but you wouldn't want to miss out because we ended up at the Palms and then it was like Rick Ross and set it up right that was that was a crazy Robin you gotta do that again when this place opens I know right yeah no I'm looking forward to it because yeah that was a blast well listen man I don't know how you're gonna wrap this up because we'll go another hour don't you let me uh let me let me tell people where to find yeah no please do yeah yeah so walk talk america.org WT ta org and on all social media platforms at walk the talk us there's a cool if you go to Instagram or Facebook there's a cool to year story there but these programs these things they're ours ok it's the to a community these are these are policies of programs that we built with input from outside sources but they're ours and that's the thing I'm most proud of because it gives you something to be proud of there's different lanes and we're in the mental health lane and we're gonna change the narrative and I appreciate everything you've helped me with and go check out I'll tell you do a lot more yeah well we'll get you there that's the problem man would be I just ki I run and then sometimes I have to remember like notify all the board members like I get excited no all right brother much appreciate it I look forward to having you back on so people could hear more of our adventures yes but no man we definitely can have you back on especially as things go on you know just keep us updated I'll definitely keep keep Marty and sup dated can you considering my involvement with walk talk America and look forward to having you back on man I appreciate you having me brother Thank You Louie right now there's a war against the Second Amendment which is why I need your help spreading our message to counter their message you can help do this by leaving a comment sharing this video and clicking the bell and subscribe but let my voice be your voice and let them know you want to keep America tactical because the right to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed wasn't a suggestion it was a directive also if you're wondering where to purchase your all guns are essential I will not comply I am the militia I lost all my guns in a boating accident and your state-specific Keep America tactical shirts click the link next to my head or the link in the description section or if you're watching this on a mobile tap the small triangle on the lower right hand side of this video and click the link in the description search you

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Keywords: Colion Noir, MrColion Noir, Concealed Carry, mikesodini, mental health, mike sodini

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Length: 82min 9sec (4929 seconds)

Published: Tue May 26 2020