Answering Your Questions About COVID-19 w/ Dr. Tod Worner

[Music] hey it's the two family well this is Jared Zimmer the director of the word on fire Institute and if you were paying attention in the forums a couple of days ago I reached out to everybody in the forums and just asked you know if anybody has any questions regarding what's going on with this coronavirus or would someone calling it Cove in 19 I'm sure all of us are kind of bunkered down right now or at least hopefully you are and staying safe out there but what I thought I'd be able to do you know we've actually got a blessing to have dr. Todd Warner on our team not only is he the editor of the evangelization of culture journal but also he is a medical internist so he's the perfect guy to bring on and ask some questions about this everything going on and so Todd great to have you here man Jared is so good to be here and by the way if I can if I can get this video and rewind it you saying the perfect guy I'm just gonna have that played over and over on a loop for me it's just like a he might you go going so well start off maybe share a little bit about you know they know you as the editor of the journal and sure maybe share a little bit about your practice and kind of how you got into medicine well thanks yes um so I've been practicing internal medicine I practice up in Minneapolis I've been practicing for about 17 years now I went through the university Minnesota medical school did residency and at this place called Abbey Northwestern Hospital and the Twin Cities here and I've been practicing inpatient and outpatient medicine for a number of years and have largely contracted to an outpatient practice largely because I'm doing more teaching of medical students residents some administrative work so my patient my patient population is a bustling patient population of anybody from 18 to 108 I don't have any 108 year olds right now but the longer it is the the people that were concerned about being at highest risk for complications and hospitalizations with : 19 are kind of the bread and butter of my patient population so it's been it's been a joy to have that aspect of my life a very vocational very very calling oriented to be mid-white to be kind of paired with the work I'm doing with word on fire in the so I appreciate you having this conversation about this at this this important time yeah how much does your work changed since all of this has happened it's amazing it's amazing I imagine like everybody um you know you look at any organization and you think about going for us going from face to face patient meetings down to telemedicine we're basically right now we're doing an incredible amount of phone calls conversations managing of chronic medical illness akyuu mental illness over the phone and and I was thinking and talking to my neighbor the other day about this obviously keeping our appropriate distance but the long and the short of it is saying the kind of change we've gone through in the last two weeks in terms of the way we're practicing and I imagine the way people are doing other other businesses if you would have let it just kind of fall into the hands of the bureaucracy to move this kind of slowly forward it would have been a two or three year process but necessity is the mother of invention and we find that within two weeks you're you're practicing medicine in a completely different way so it's it's been it's been eerie it's been it's been we in Minnesota are waiting we're so we've seen obviously we have some coma 19 patients with a V and even our clinic population but I think the surge like in many other places is is coming so it's a little bit of a quiet before the storm right now so that's kind of been what's been going on okay and now some of the questions that we had from our own members some of them that kind of goes specifically into the virus itself and then also we'll get into a little bit about maybe some reliable sources where people who ought to be going and etc so first off let's kind of get into the ins and outs of the virus itself so one of the questions was what does this virus do to the body that makes it so much more dangerous I'm guessing more dangerous than maybe the average flu and what has happened to the people who have been put into ICU because of it you bet so as we all know I mean viruses are a part of all of our lives we have you know runny noses and coughs and sinus congestion and ear aches and body aches and low-grade temps I mean it's just it's something that's just commonplace for our kids for our parents for ourselves and we just you know think about the number of viruses that are out there that never go reported to a clinician never go to people aren't going to the house they're just kind of blowing their nose taking their cough drops maybe you know going to bed a little bit early taking some tylenol coronavirus as a class of viruses is one of the many viruses we have that cause just low-grade upper respiratory or sinus types of infections along with Rhino virus and other types of viruses what what what the viruses often times do is is they'll basically come into your system through through the the most easy place to effectively adhere themselves to so in our in the corona by jacoby 19 of iris in particular it comes through the nasal passages it can come through the eyes actually you can come through the throat and it basically embeds himself in the mucous membranes and it finds its way into the cells in your body and it basically is a hijacker these viruses are hijackers they effectively find a way to access the inner machinery of the of these cells move in there and they take it over and they use that cell as a manufacturing plant for further virus virus production well like I said the majority of what we have out there for viruses that we run into a run-of-the-mill and our body is incredibly adept at managing them and and they kind of go away the problem with the corona virus is it seems that it has it's it's novel in the sense that it's not something that most adults I mean almost all of those have encountered this particular brand of corona virus and for before so whereas a lot of the other viruses out there may common maybe a variant of what we've experienced and we were children so we have a certain amount of immunity to moderate it this one seems new and as a result our body is not quite prepared to respond to it in a in a deft way without causing a lot of problems what happens with this corona virus is it seems that especially the people that they get very ill and end up end up in the hospital is it sets off what's called a cytokine storm so cytokines are basically inflammatory markers or if you will humors or or chemicals that our body creates to fight off infection to raise our temperature to kind of kill the virus make our make our bodies inhospitable for this the problem with this is that sometimes the body can get jacked up to such a level that the immune response is is actually damaging to the body itself so I want it what many people have read about and many people already know I want to reinforce there are gonna be a lot of people who get this particular coronavirus the : 19 diseases coronavirus and the long and the short of is they're gonna get it they're gonna feel they're gonna feel crummy they're gonna feel like it's influenza they're gonna be out they're gonna be at home taking tylenol and they're gonna be licking their wounds after a number of days and then they're gonna get better they're never they're not gonna see their doc they're not gonna go to the hospital they're not gonna be on the ventilator they're gonna get better but for a subset of patients to end up in the hospital and get severely ill one of the things that causes is something called acute respiratory distress syndrome an acute respiratory distress syndrome is basically an inflammatory assault on the lungs themselves where the lungs basically become leaky if you will an inflammatory debris kind of seeps into the lung air spaces and with this fluid and inflammatory debris it basically obscures the ability for oxygen to get from the air penetrating into the into the bloodstream and so people become very very ill and an ard a sac you rest for distress syndrome is sort of it can be a it can be a manifestation of a lot of illnesses if someone aspirates that they vomit and aspirate and get acid into their lungs they can get a terrible chemical pneumonitis that could end up being a RTS for other people there can be bad infections there can be drug reactions that can cause this but this is a this typically a RDS is a terrible that's a terrible illness that has a high mortality rate because so much of it is just managing the symptoms and managing the person on a ventilator until the body tames down that cytokine storm or the inflammatory debris starts to stretch the resorb so the point is I'm going long sort of give you multiple paragraphs for a once that's very helpful but the bottom line is this virus in at its worst seems to be stimulating this huge inflammatory response which in pain which really impacts the lungs which as a result because it because of the the damage in the lungs ultimately can have an impact on other parts of the body shock low blood pressure kidney dysfunction and there's also some manifestations of cardiac disease so people can actually end up having heart attacks in the process they can have they're gonna have their heart where it becomes less less efficient of a pump so they go into heart failure so it so it's it's newness to us as a novel agent number one and number two its aggressiveness in us that leads to a significant inflammatory response and then the subsequent multi organ damage it can do is something that is really frightening to us and is why we're taking this so seriously okay and one of the other questions is and you you mentioned it a little bit there of the role of a ventilator that that has been popping up in the news constantly about the need for ventilators it what would you say is I mean number one what's the need of it what does it do how does it help is it different in the sense of because one of the questions is is this kind of like a coronal Corona like pneumonia or is it different than I like a pneumonia and then third what exactly how is the ventilator able to help yeah it's a great question very nuanced first of all it's amazing how many people are now becoming aware of how many ventilators there are in their state I mean that's not same as top of mind for most people like what's the number and we're going to talk about why that matters with respect to this and about the notion of flattening the curve and what that means and so on the long and the short is that people so there's two things number one is that you can simply get a viral pneumonia where you get a lot of inflammation irritation and pockets of viral infection in the lungs themselves and usually if you look at cat scans on people that have had this corona virus you see a per se you see inflammation what's called ground glass or pacification if you took glass and you shattered on the ground and then you took a rock and you ground it into little fine parts of dust that's what it looks like on an x-ray or on a CT scan and the bottom line is it's peripherally oriented on both lungs and the bottom line so you can have real significant infection and inflammation in the lung tissue itself that's the infection itself the the body's response to the infection can lead to what's called the acute respiratory distress syndrome so it's one is a little bit more of the initial insult and the other is more of the body's reaction to that insult the ventilatory response so why we need a mechanical ventilator if someone is someone is having a hard enough time breathing first of all they labor immensely and they can really they can start to start to lose your capacity to ventilate to move the diaphragm up and down and get enough oxygen because you know if you don't have enough oxygen you're gonna hyperventilate and imagine hyperventilating for a week straight to you you just can't you can't do it for an hour straight without fatiguing and starting to get into the risk of respiratory failure so first thing is is the vent when you person is put on a ventilator they're literally sedated and they put a tube and an endotracheal tube down and into the trachea and they put you on a machine and they program the machine to how fast a person breathes how much air is pumped in at any particular time how much how much how much inflation the lungs there should be at the end of every particular breath and the bottom line is what this does is it secures your airway so that you have you're not as high of a risk of aspirating stuff up if you're coughing and you can't and you're losing out consciousness it secures your airway airway with that tube number one number two is allows you to rest a little bit and it breathes for you and and if someone is weaning off the vent you you take off some of those settings that allow the body to do the breathing for it but what in person is really sick this machine is programmed to give you breaths and to give you enough enough of this the third thing is it gives you oxygen no matter how much we're trying to breathe the I think it's 21% oxygen that that's in the in the ambient air out there this will give you up to a hundred percent oxygen which is a significant amount that basically is just trying to overpower the the the obstructive debris that's in the lung itself and get as much of it in there as possible by just sheer amounts of concentration and diffusion so it's air raid protection it provides rest and then and then subsequently it provides a significant amount of oxygen now the one thing I'll tell you tube Jarrod is that some people initially thought well why don't we use BiPAP or CPAP these blower masks on people that people use for obstructive sleep apnea and things like that or should we use High Flow non rebreather oxygen mask it's in other circumstances it would be a good idea the problem is it blows this infection everywhere and so if you're in the room taking care of people as a physician or as a nurse or as a respiratory therapist you do not want to get infected and you have all this you know this personal protective equipment on you don't want to be blowing that around so there's risk of it getting amongst you getting out into other patient rooms etc so that's that's kind of a summary statement I guess of why the vanilla ventilator is necessary and what it sort of does okay that makes sense yeah it makes perfect sense and I guess it also makes sense especially with as you said you you're basically keeping people from getting infected themselves by blowing out as opposed to it actually going down the throat so so one question too is actually kind of just more on a practical level it says if I have been exposed to this virus did not develop any symptoms a dry cough high fever fatigue etc and I've stayed home for 14 days you know do you have an immunity what does it take to get maybe an immunity to this and as far as you know it's since we there's not really an antibody or I guess a vaccine out there right now what are the the steps that we need to take should we start to see the symptoms yeah it's a great great series of questions um you know if you've been exposed it doesn't necessarily mean that you've gotten the disease that you that you're so let's say you get exposed and you spent 14 days in quarantine and you never have a lick of symptoms it could mean a couple of things it could mean that yes you've been infected you had such a mildly or mildly symptomatic or a cinematic state and that ultimately your your body will develop antibodies that at some point will have a certain way of ceará logically testing for that and that presumably at least at this stage of the game our presumption would be that you would be immune to this particular virus and and its attendant effects from being from being infected again simultaneously it could be that you weren't infected that you've got expert you were exposed but technically you didn't get infected in the process so you could be just as vulnerable going forward in the next scenario so so I guess it's sort of one of those kind of things that I would say in the short-term if you feel like you had an exposure you should do exactly what you just described you should spend spend that time in quarantine 14 days in quarantine looking for symptoms and the problem you run into with this to Jared is that the symptoms that we think the incubation period is about four to five days before symptoms arise and then it's usually even out to 10 days before someone could potentially really start taking a downturn so there's some people that might have a fever they might have a coffee might be a you know a key and so on so for four three four five four days and they're like well I feel good but I'm really doing okay and then they warm they started getting worse by about day 10 day eleven so that's a reason why there's this long process of staying at home and quarantine in oneself let's say you did get infected with it let's say it was mild and you spend your time in 14 days in quarantine and you're and you're doing much better I guess what I would simply say is is if unless you're sure that you've had it you should continue during this time to live to act as if you haven't maintained that social distance maintain some of the personal hygiene things if you're ordering things out you know just do the proper wiping that's necessary I'm don't go in crowds and all this kind of stuff if you do get infected the bottom line is there's still some different different metrics in terms of what is necessary to deem someone clear definitely want a person to be a febrile so no fevers definitely we don't want to have them having coffee we don't want to have them having shortness of breath and there's different there's varying recommendations about how long you have to be out from some people say seven days out from your last symptoms and there's some studies that are saying and there's your small studies they're saying we should swab people twice to demonstrate they have negativity on to two swabs 24 hours apart to basically declare they're no longer infectious per se what I'm saying to most people right now is we're on the front end of this while we're still having a lot of policies that are based on China and South Korea and Italy and increasingly other places we're learning at the speed of light about how this looks how infectious people are going forward what's the recovery time take so I'm just simply saying for now play it safe stayed keep the social distancing appropriate levels don't panic and let's just watch and see what the literature shows us in terms of the other side of this as we're kind of ramping it up okay that goes into some of the next questions which is more about the kind of proper reaction to this and one thing you just said is we're learning at the speed of light so as far as reactions are concerned it's kind of sometimes it's a hard thing to know until hindsight what is the right reaction to some of these things but you know one question is if healthy people are fine as long as they practice good hygiene then they're potentially more danger by forcing physically healthy healthy people to stay indoors indefinitely given that there's potential other problems that might come from that it's funny because you and I were just talking about a variance of this question before we went on the air you know I think I think the one thing I think we should really reinforce is um I I think maintaining a healthy lifestyle is essential we don't want people to go into this into this into the kind of the the shelter in place or staying at home and so on and end up eating four bags of chips a day and watching Netflix and becoming part of the furniture I think the key is um right now unless you have a estate recommendation of a shelter in place which which a lot of places are that way in Minnesota it's not an official one but it's basically saying toolless just do as much attempts to stay at home for two weeks but still you know I you go out on your drive when you hit tennis balls around with your kids or or play catch or workout like you you lift weights in the garage um sit on the deck you know and maintain your social distance from from now family members neighbors etc so I think I think it's very true that we've got it we got to keep our heads on here and saying we should continue eating well we should continue exercising we should continue getting fresh air if you can go off for walks on paths that don't have large quantities of people and you're not don't have a shelter-in-place order do you know and you're gonna get back home and it's it's in keeping with your state's guidance I think it's very reasonable um we're designed not to be bunker people and and I think I think for the sake of of not having massive quantities of people or crowds that are that are passing it between each other that that's the right thing to do now because we're trying to keep the system from being overwhelmed with illness so that people literally being triaged out of getting ventilatory help that's the big big problem right now is public health measures to prevent us pay for being swamped but generally speaking lead a healthy lifestyle get some fresh air if you can go for walks you know with family without other people it's not a bad idea as long as it's in got its faithful to the guidance of your state don't forget you've got to stay human and we don't know how long we're gonna be like this so so maintaining those human habits I think is key what are some of the key reasons as to to this reaction of this staying at home and everything when when you look at the numbers of some of the things that kill us every year yeah why is it that this one is particularly so dangerous it's a great question and you look at influenza and you think I think I was looking at the CDC to see kind of what is that what are those 2019 2020 what is that what is the number of incident that what's the incident so far 38 to 54 million episodes of influenza just this year alone and you know in anything we're looking at the ticker on on the news channels are on the Johns Hopkins coronavirus Resource Center and it's saying we have you know 300,000 or I can't every what we're up to right now in terms of internationally but the long and the short of it is is and things like malaria with HIV you know Ebola and those in those particular areas the concern the concern about this one is is not not that these other infections don't matter not that they don't pose their own public health risks and so on because they do the concern we have right now is the rapidity that the speed with which people can get critically critically ill and and in the speed with which the infection can spread can overwhelm the carrying capacity of hospitals to help save these people's lives what's happening in Italy when you see mortality rate is it's not just mortality rate because everybody got care everybody who need to be on a ventilator got on a ventilator and these people who are so sick despite the best care possible died it is that the hospitals are overwhelmed and certain people are being triaged from not even getting a chance on a ventilator and so the point is is that when there's this whole graphic which I think it's a wonderful graphic about flattening the curve when you have X number of ventilators out there if you get a bolus of people that go is so high that requires the the very far end the most aggressive form of hospital care possible and you have X number above the carrying capacity above the ability to service them you're gonna have a lot of needless deaths and so in in doing a lot of the measures that we're doing right now by slowing the spread we may ultimately have the same number of infections but it may give and I think we'll have less infections honestly with some of these measures but it may give the people who are infected and critically ill a better chance at life simply because they have access instead of losing that access and speaking of some of the resources one question was what are what are some other reliable sources of information in regard to actual infection rates death toll places where they can go and because it does seem like unfortunately it's partially the learning curve that we're dealing with is there sometimes can be mixed messages so which which sources would you recommend you know the one I really liked a lot I think it's it's really neatly done it's really it's kept up very well as I'm looking at right now is that Johns Hopkins coronavirus resource center and if you see most of the tickers on most the news channels they are using that as Johns Hopkins coronavirus resource center um it basically breaks down country to country what the numbers are and it basically shows you all all the difference you know whether it's waho CBC um and other trackers to let people know what it is now what I would recommend is don't spend tons of time watching the news and don't spend tons of time on the Johns Hopkins coronavirus resource center because you know we we're gonna talk about the same thing towards the end of this interview but we need to keep our heads on straight about this we one can get inside their head one could think every time they have a tickle in their throat it's the beginning of the fatal ramifications of the corona virus and so on so I think we need to look at this and say if we were doing this with influenza if we were looking at the numbers of influenza we would be absolutely petrified because the numbers among influenza is a stone it's it's immense and astounding and it happens every year so it doesn't mean that we don't care it doesn't mean it on a flattened the curve it doesn't mean we don't want to have have the the precautions we're talking about it's just that let's let's identify those things that we can control and those things we can't and let's not make ourselves crazy about the things we can't control um the other thing I'd say is if you're interested if you're if you're kind of wonky or if you're a health care professional up to date there's there's a there's a subscription service for physicians up to date has great information about coronavirus which is being updated for its name very frequently another one is called Medscape meed scape and it basically is largely for positions but it's got really good literature drawn from the New England Journal of Medicine the Journal of American Medical Association annals of internal medicine and its articles deciphering what this stuff means and I think literally you just put your name in there I have a subscription to it but it's free Medscape is what it is so be careful about every news person's interpretation of this and be careful of statistics because there's a lot of there's a lot of manipulation of statistics and I hate to say it and Jared you alluded to this we don't know what's going on in China right now we don't know because a China is a is an authoritarian regime very interested in maintaining a world presence they want to seem like they're they're there I hate to say this but they want it they want to represent themselves in many respects as being the adults in the room in terms of managing this controlling this and so on and I think I'm absolutely stunned at the notion that they have capped out at 80,000 in a country of 1.5 billion when the original epicenter had 5 million people that left before the quarantine went was put in place so I would just say I would be careful about interpreting interpreting what's coming out of certain countries because they might have a vested interest in not testing not reporting and and kind of bending the narrative in a way that isn't completely consistent with the truth and now I kind of want to get into some of the more and you started getting into that as a good doctor of helping people deal with maybe the fear the anxiety of it some of the practicalities of be aware of how much time you're actually paying attention to the news with all of this and realize that there are certain things out of your control things we can't control like hygiene staying at home until your government allows you to go back to what you can do but what are you know some of the you know Bishop Baron did such a great job on the recent word on fire show and I recommend if any body watching this has not heard that or watched it go watch it that's you know a apostolic father providing some guidance here but I thought you know as a medical professor in the medical profession as well as a devout Catholic a father a husband what may be spiritual advice can you offer during this time again the really thoughtful question Jared you know I I think if I can I think we need it's and I think it's poorly attributed that the prayer st. for the I think it's a prayer of st. Francis of the the serenity prayer I mean literally us identifying that which you can control that which you can't and the wisdom though the difference between the two um we got to remember with this particular virus the vast majority of people out there are going to be okay they're gonna be okay they're gonna be people once it's demystified and people experience it and feel crummy and i hope no hope as few people experience it as possible but there's another people we're gonna feel bad influenza type illness and they're gonna not be hospitalized they're not gonna be on the ventilator they're not gonna pass away and they're gonna be okay and their to look back and say that was miserable but I'm glad it's done and I guess okay I've experienced it the second thing is is that the mortality is not 50% once upon time the the Middle Eastern respiratory syndrome MERS had a 36 percent mortality rate SARS the C severe acute respiratory syndrome had a ten percent mortality I'm not diminishing this mortality rate which is ranges generally I think it's 1.2 1.3 in America right now it's point nine in South Korea and it's seven point four I think over in Italy I'm not minimizing that but what I want to say is the vast majority of people out there are gonna be ok so take a deep breath take a deep breath the second thing is you know what's interesting is I think we are being asked to to hunker down with the people we love the most we're close to do we love the most and and we're also communicating from afar with people we love the most and it's amazing so I think more than I have ever seen proud in the last 20 years of my life I see more people playing basketball on the front in the front driveway I see more people waving from a deck to the other person saying how you do on how you handling this I'm stunned by the fact that my lights are still on and my plumbing still works at the grocery store notwithstanding that well the paper runs it is still well stocked there's someone at the cashier that smiles and as I have written recently double bags something of mine so it doesn't crash out of the in the parking I I think that I think the spirit of what a mean and by the way The Wall Street Journal had a great article yesterday about all these companies just stepping up to instead of making cars like GM to make ventilators and people going to work at Amazon and and and and all the truckers and sanitation my garbage was collected today I mean I mean all these people willing to do these things it showed those incredible spirit under crisis of people willing to pitch in for something bigger than themselves it isn't Mad Max there are people that want all the toilet paper okay I get it but there's more people that want to do great things for their fellow man fellow woman and I think it's wonderful so and so spiritually if I if I may offer this in the as we're spending more time with our family and playing board games and cards and shooting hoops and and and and just and maybe maybe we can find time to be more prayerful maybe we can find time to actually turn off the news that kind of gets us worried and and read read works of the great Saints on the contemplative life on prayer do more praying praying as a family watching mass your local Mass online knowing that you have a whole community people tuning in and hungry to taste the Eucharist that they're missing and so I just think it's I think it's it's it's a forced retreat in some respects yes it's a nervous one because everybody's worried but the bottom line it's a forced retreat to turn down the frequencies in our lives and to reclaim that which matters the most and the first and foremost is faith and family that was wonderful it reminds me a lot of you know one of our patrons is to reserve the su and her whole spirituality was the little things I talked about the opportunity to do the little things right I mean right now is the opportunity to show those little acts of love with your family you know I and I'm sure it's in your family as well as mine right now we're already getting a little stir-crazy because we want life to get back to normal so gives you even more of an opportunity for patience kindness those little acts of doing things for each other for your spouse for your kids and so it actually you know in Bishop Aaron alluded to this as well at one of his other videos about this is an opportunity to be a saint just as any other opportunity no matter what the situation we are called to be Saints and so this is an opportunity for us and maybe God's telling us to take a big deep breath right now and realize what's important well said well said you know and I guess the kind of thin finish off on on a light note and also for anybody watching you know certainly any more questions that you might have go to that forum in the forums and I'm sure Todd you'd probably be more than willing to to go in and answer any other questions in there in a written way so just to kind of finish off on a light note you know earlier this week you had a blogpost on one of your recommendations and you kind of alluded to it just a second ago and some of getting back to some of the classics and looking at the our backgrounds right now it looks like books are kind of part of our life anyway but you know I thought that I'd love to just kind of finish off on talking about something hopeful that we can do during this time and I love that recommendation so why the classics well you know I appreciate you now you're a fan of this just like I am and by the way for those who are watching I we Jared I said we figured we could fool people into thinking we're sitting across from each other in the same library but alas he's in Texas and I'm in Minneapolis that's I think that's that save social distance you know I think the classics the the thing I think about the classics is they've endured for a reason it's not just because they have good they have good PR they endure because they speak to they speak to the universals in us you know fear and anxiety and heroism and tragedy and and hope and loss and suffering those are not things that go out of style and it's interesting because we live in such a politically charged snarky culture in many respects and yet Dostoyevsky and Jane Austen and Charles Dickens and Dante and and and so many bright and brilliant thinkers Charles Dickens they have things to say to us and the other thing is that they did live they made a lot of distractions of their own I get it but they found a way to talk about the intriguing and entrancing aspect of what it means to be human and they bring these figures to life and I think if anything we're finding in this kind of bottleneck harrowing experience of our own lives is we need to better understand who we are who we are called to be what is the better version of myself than I was before all this um do I understand suffering and my role in God's kingdom in the midst of suffering and and I think the classics whether it's Anna Karenina or the Divine Comedy or King Lear can speak so eloquent to these eloquently to these things I will also say if you like modern fiction good for you the one thing I'll say is most modern fiction is a total ripoff of the classic fiction that was 12 150 or 200 years or 800 years before it and so I I would say go to the original don't be intimidated by it and just cuz you didn't like it when you're an 11th grader and your teacher asked you to guess what I'm thinking and write a Bluebook essay on a book you had to cram in in in in one week it's gonna be a different experience cuz you are a different person now and read it and just immerse yourself in the story and while we're at it read the spiritual fathers read the saints read job and read things that are hopeful and watch a good comedy on Netflix laugh this is a time not of dreary you know just sackcloth and ashes it's a time of joy to find ourselves in the midst of in the midst of trying times praise God well it's hot if you don't mind maybe wool will end in prayer and as I said you know anyone that's listening if you have other questions please go into the forums you know we'd love to continue this conversation so why don't we end in prayer name of the Father the Son on the Holy Spirit to say Amen Jesus we ask you to bring all of us closer to you particularly particularly you on the cross we ask you to take this time of maybe abstinence of giving up things that we tend to take for granted so that we it brings us closer to you Bishop Aaron once earlier recommended that now's the time to ask the big questions and I think the best questions that we can ask her from you so we asked you to bring us closer to your heart closer to the suffering that you gave in your passion for our salvation Blessed Mother we ask that you wrap us in your mantle and full machine said they you could form us in your wombs so that we come to look more and more like Christ take each one of us watching this video to as close into your womb and form us into the image of Christ be our intercessor during this times that we can gain the graces that are offered during this trying time both as individuals as families and as a church help us to recognize that no matter what the time is we are all called to be Saints we're all called to evangelize whether it's in the our own homes or it's in the wider audience st. Joseph's protector of the church and terror of demons bring us closer to your your foster son and help us to understand your role as the protector of the Holy Family we ask all of our heavenly intercessors st. Thomas Aquinas res of the Sioux John Paul the second to intercede for all of us during this time as our heavenly friends amen amen and other son the Holy Spirit amen you

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