Annie Murphy. The Late Late Show 1993.

uh one of the things i'd like to say to annie at this stage is larry is dead annie and you actually got the color wrong he was like i knew the color was wrong and i tried to change it he wasn't he was he was almost sorry let's not talk about that no no but i did know well i i would like to recall an incident annie that happened if you don't find gay that i address any in this an incident that happened the day after your baby was born i visited you in the return to hospital and on that day you introduced me to a very handsome looking man now after that gentleman had left you said to me that is the father of my child i'm sorry annie but that is a fact that happened no um i'm sorry i'm going to disagree i disagree with you because it's not that i have a very very vivid memory of it it's a memory i i i you know i i'll describe him patrick well i can't describe him because in actual effect any you're also a very handsome son and it was the one thing i did state and did say to myself oh my god he looks so like that that is a lie fine okay if you're saying that's a lie i'm afraid there's a lot of other incidents in that book that i actually could go into details with but i'm not going to but i will take one which you have described in graphic detail annie that the bishop white knuckles etc etc saw you off at dublin airport now actually on that day and i'm sure you will remember this i picked you up with my sister from helena's house also your baby obviously and we saw you up and who was standing when when we went tonight sorry annie i have to finish it's on record in the diocese of elsa's in alfreds and curry bishop casey had a meeting that day in curry there was no possible way he could have been in dublin with you you could doctor that bishop casey how can i i mean just excuse me now annie there's no way i can doctor diocesan records i mean there's bishop casey was kate said to me i didn't want him to take me to the plane i didn't i was upset with him yes he came to me that morning and i remember distinctly distinctively and we made up to the degree that we could make up to he said i i didn't want him he said i took you into ireland i will take you out of ireland when i went down in a wheelchair and i went down in a wheelchair you remember the wheelchair i remember any demanding that we cherished i didn't demand well i didn't want a wheelchair for god's sakes i wasn't a crippled i did not um and eamonn was standing there holding the railings and they were like metal railings and he was saying goodbye annie goodbye annie and his hands were white now this is my story that is pat's story i i'm sorry i mean i just i am very positive it's on record actually one final point she did bring up the question of contraceptives there and he showed me amongst my and some of my friends including my sister very shortly after she came to ireland what she called robbers now i actually had never heard that expression before and i i i would be very explicit and she also showed me how to use them now annie you know and i know that that is the truth my sister had brought no this was long before your sister came to ireland how could i bring rubbers into ireland i didn't bring there's no problems i worked in london i know that ah please i i won't even dignify that with an answer because it's not true well i mean pat go ahead you know well well can i put one through your father o'keefe has three times as you know you were on radio kerry yesterday father o'keefe has three times said for example that he was never in a situation where he drove the car with you and amen in the back snogging he i had a i had a brutal cold and i was coughing i had like croup people can deny and i expect them to deny i don't i don't expect anything else um and i was coughing and eamonn had his arms around me and he was looking he could do that to anybody he was a you know he was that type of man and i had like a croup and i couldn't stop coughing i also had panic disorder uh that went in and out of my life you had panic fits uh i had panic disorder and because fit sounds uh i'm sorry you're giving me something no no i beg about you that's all right you know you know and uh he was holding me and he had been with me when i had terrible panic and and i felt like my windpipe was closing and father o'keefe drove the car and eamon was in the back now this was not you know it was nicking it was like just taking care of taking care of you you know please don't you know don't lose it because we're in the middle of the country right well father o'keefe says he has no memory of that furthermore he wasn't his confessor it's a small point but i said i didn't know i said i didn't know i said maybe he was yes he never told me who is which is gurley please girlie hello gurley you wanted to make the point about the leg of the bed collapsing that's right actually flat my name is veronica um yes annie mentions me in the book yes which is obviously why i'm here and i was a student in dublin at the time and she recalls an incident where i had invited herself and my sister patricia who was bishop secretary and the bishop for a meal now i also present there was my brother and his wife now i was in a bed sitting with a small flat actually one bedroom flat in dublin yeah but in the book it says that eamonn said to you annie and i want to have a private conversation we want to go into that bedroom it's a private conversation and you clear it out and let them in well in actual fact i remember the incident well because it couldn't have happened i had a flatmate who was in bed with a migraine all day and i remember cooking that meal and actually what i do remember any and i'm sure you remember this yourself because you were constantly doing it you could up in the middle of the meeting without washed your hair and come back dripping wet you know that was the thing you were in trying to do at the time oh yeah yeah regularly that you were inclined to get up in the middle of meals and go on well not maybe in the middle of meals as such but um you did wash your hair a lot you're doing it again i wash my hair once a day i mean i wasn't going in there washing my hair five times a day no anyway get back to the bed really making the incident did not happen gabe it did not it did not happen there was no collapse of the legs there was a three books no way my flatmate was in bed and he did come in and we sat on the bed and the bed did break and he took a few books and put them under there now it's yours you know that's it i'm not there i'm not here to score points with you i feel the whole image you have depicted in this book is dreadful the man that you maintain you loved you're depicting as a villain you are the heroine which is extraordinary all the time i mean you you know i did not see you the man we knew as bishop casey was a very good caring and compassionate man i bring that people who loved people also you depict them talking about people behind their backs saying things about them he is wasn't capable of doing that he just wasn't he never used bad language he did not cheat at poker all the things you say about him he was not that type of man and you know that very well annie you know that very very well i said i suppose it sells you know money is always i'm very surprised at a man of the caliber or maybe i shouldn't say caliber because i don't actually know the man but such a high profile man as um peter derosa really writing the type of rubbish that's in that book the lies that are in that book i mean and that is reality we were there we know but you weren't there all the time no i wasn't there i didn't know that you were there all the time i saw you very infrequently you have an extraordinary situation gabe where this child is supposed to be conceived in a two-seater lunch in a gravel pit in dublin in luca in lucan the historical record showed that the bishop did not have a lunch at that time and i checked that in great detail he had a mercedes which subsequently changed for a saloon launcher then we have the amazing situation where there is a full moon on the 31st of october 1973 and a small point of nearly full moon you check with the anybody like dunsync and you find that that was the time when the moon and point of fact was at its lowest end and the night was completely over but there was a moment this it was over here with the meteorologist it was but hidden behind a completely cloudy overcast sky so we had this extraordinary fantastic garden and we're disputing that there was an affair between annie murphy and no no there was there was some relationship with ali murphy it's it's the way she depicts them and it's the lies in fact can i make one final point there is one sentence of three words in that book that i know is true and that is larry hate of people that's true who was larry the dog you mentioned larry likes a lot of people but he was particular and who he liked but just to go back to patricia you you've made a serious allegation about the other man yesterday are you telling me that you're convinced in your own mind i am casey he's never the father of this child very convinced now can i can i also say there are other people besides me and annie is aware of this who also knew of that relationship i'm not the only person are you are you saying that what bishop casey came out and said i'm not denying that annie i've never disputed that he has accepted that he is the father of the child i am only saying what i feel and do you think that maybe i could have put up somebody else and i never ever ever never told anybody i never told you who i who i who you're trying to say that i'm i name it i'm sorry annie my memory is very vivid of that and i i can't i'm not going to go into a harangue with you because that isn't the way i work okay let me finish by asking you uh annie when did you last see amen uh in august of 1991 91 that was the last time mm-hmm do you hope to see him again um he has said that he will he has said that he will contact peter and he will try to develop some sort of relationship with peter now but do you i i um that would be entirely up to him and i would have no say in that that wouldn't be entire family wanted to say something to me whether it be good or bad then i would uh i would see him but i would not seek him out no what would you say to him if you met him do you think i would wait for ayman to speak with me and then i would have to take it from there okay the book is on the record presumably it will become a movie in due course go ahead or a mini television series or whatever and looking at that now what what is your in summation what is your feeling at the moment are you filled with sadness about the whole thing do you regard it as a tragedy i think it is sad in the aspects that if eamonn had come forward just a little bit and had maybe seen peter two or three times a year this could have been avoided and um i think that's sad um i didn't expect for this to be easy and i uh i expect that people that are around bishop casey would rally around him as i would any friend i would i had a friend that was in tremendous trouble and i rallied around her and gave the best support i could um but i told the truth um as i saw it and there were some things about it that were not terrific in that situation and um but i gave the good parts i happen to think that bishop amen took bad advice when he decided to leave the country do you he might not have been able to help himself he might have just been told to do it and uh i was surprised um i thought he would stay to be honest with you okay it sure is a tragedy and it's a sad story no matter how you look at it thank you for telling us of yours i just want to say one thing sorry i think that you know people have everybody's going to have an opinion and eamon is a great man with some some defects as we all are like mike train said every man has a dark side to him in the moon but don't forget eamonn harangued me and and and bothered me to the point where i could never have another child again and he did say to me you know he those adoption papers were there and i'm not saying to end that on on a bad note i actually felt bad for him you know i felt sad for him that he would feel that necessary um to be actually kind of almost that afraid and i'm not saying that that he was cruel he would say he was doing that annie because he didn't have faith in your capacity to look after the child that's what he would say and so i should never have another child i could never have another child i'm only telling you what he would say and how do you know that i just know that you do okay but i have brought that child up well yes you have okay that's what i'm saying the child is is i gave my heart body and soul and he is people will tell you he's a good child and you know and i think my child is if i've done i have brought somebody into this world that hopefully will continue to do good and who has been a very good friend to people and has tremendous um virtu he's a very good boy so he was wrong in that respect is he eamon's child yes he is well and you could put me in a firing squad and i'd say he is amos child i have been you know i've taken very little out of this book if there is a movie god knows you know there have been a some there are no movies you know but there have been inquiries i will treat that movie the same as i have this book i will take practically anything i would play nothing from it except to if i lose work i've always worked i will work from three years from now i'll come back and you'll see that i still work okay all right let's end with a note and say if your son is half as good a man as his father he won't be doing too badly i'm not so bad either a part of that but also i'm not so bad myself as you'd like to think great all right all right thank you for coming on thank you the late late show returns in two weeks

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Length: 15min 24sec (924 seconds)

Published: Fri Mar 06 2015

Reddit Comments

[u/[deleted]]

Byrne was a good broadcaster but he showed his true conservative sexist colour here

[u/dwalsh26]

A massive black mark for Gay, say what you want about how great he was, but he was truly horrible to this woman.

[u/[deleted]]

Let us not forget how awful our society was only a few decades ago. I do not like Gay Byrne and have no real desire to defend him (That said, may he Rest in Peace), that said his behavior here was just as symptomatic of our society as it was his own flaws.

Our generation (assuming you're younger than 30 or so) are the first in a long time to be raised in an Ireland free of (for lack of a better term) religion-induced ignorance. There are still a lot of people alive who carry on that legacy.

I'm truly excited for what our country looks like in 30 years.

[u/[deleted]]

This gang in the crowd are exactly the type of acolytes that enabled so much abuse and corruption.

It reminds me of when the surgeon Michael Neary was caught for unnecessarily removing vast numbers of women's wombs in Our Lady of Lourdes Drogheda, large amounts of documentation mysteriously disappeared thanks for blindly loyal staff members who felt he was being unfairly persecuted. These women in this video claiming to have such perfect memories of random days many years earlier, and inserting several putdowns amongst their version of events are utter scumbags.

[u/LucyVialli]

He was horrible to her. To his credit, in later life I think he did say he had been too hard on her and he was sorry for it.

[u/gomaith10]

How's the son?

[u/pmckizzle]

jaysus theyre some gnashers