Andy Stumpf's abnormal career as a Navy SEAL @ClearedHotPodcast

[Music] did you design this particular lip here let show it towards the camera from this side it would appear you know traditional can this side though is a little bit more probably more tactical you can fit it inside of a it needs more resilience well you can put it inside of a Molly pouch I just don't know what you're going with is this an intentional design that you okay cool yeah yeah that's so you could drink around some difficult adversity yeah to make you better at being prepared looks like it's a really repeatable design on the top here but I'm sorry we can't you can't deviate all right so I'm going to ask you I mean it's going to be a conversation but I do have some tier one Patron questions at the end of this okay um specific to your experiences oh you're talking about patreon I was like what what are you talking about my patrons asked for my patreon um so your career in the Navy was is very non-typical compared to the fleet The Muse the standard protocols because you did very specific things including becoming a sniper like we talk about this offline um and you're a very competent uh long range shooter because you're a sniper you're a sniper actually before you went to to Dam Neck as long as you keep it within less than 300 yards that can hit stuff no I was a sniper before I went to Development Group yeah it was actually the I think that was the second course that I went to um in 99 when you when you got first assigned to the SEAL Teams what SEAL team did you go to first five yeah and it's it's that's cornado right it's cornado all odd numbered teams are West Coast even number teams are East Coast except for the stdv team which is out in Hawaii and stv2 used to be in Virginia Beach um and I used to run from those things like the plague because can you imagine sitting in the back of a many sub for 8 to 12 hours yeah I suck it would suck so anytime they would say the word STV I would leave the room and I've only actually seen one in person one time yeah CU I was terrified they would open the back and say do you want to go for a ride I just don't but the team you first go to is it was a good introduction to What's called the needs of the military in second phase I believe it was after you graduate pool comp the statistical odds of you making it through Buds and becoming a seal are high 90th percentile like you've gone through The Crucible portion there's going to be job requirements that you have to perform an educational aspect but you're probably going to make it to your team you're going to lose a few people along the way so they sit you down and they and they give you what's called A Dream sheet what Seal Team would you like to go to I was from s um I am from Santa Cruz so I put down 24 and eight because I thought let's check out the East Coast they gave me team five so it really was a Dream It's called waste your time filling this paper out we're going to look at what teams need what and it's the need of the Navy was that a good thing looking back at it or a potential you could have had it better on the East Coast potentially um I would say it was a good thing I enjoy California weather better than I do Virginia Beach weather and honestly the community of guys is largely the same the capabilities of the commands at a conventional Seal Team level is largely the Same by Design which I would imagine odas are similar like we all have our medals and for people listening to you know Mission essential task list if you were to look at it like three- ring binder you have to be able to do this this this and this you train to that standard um so really you're just talking about where you pick up your maale between odd number teams and and even number teams at this point now Development Group is also on the east coast and that's a whole different animal um but that wasn't obviously an option right out of the gate now did you know the path was going to be Dam Neck and then you thought to yourself well if I want to go to devu I want to get on the East Coast anyway because that's where that's where it is didn't even know it existed really really so I went from Navy boot camp which is in great lakes or was in Great Lakes when I went through they used to do it in San Diego and in Florida and they reduced it down to that like the third week you go in and you it was a VHS tape there was a grainy video of the classic images of guys coming out of the water with probably rubber M4 shapes or M16 shapes it a VHS tape for sure with just the camo across the face like God that looks good and then you realize later on it just goes into your eyes and I've never worn camo once for real because it would be an utter Galactic waste of time and from there who wants to sign up for the physical training test you raise your hand it's a swim in a pool I think maybe 500 yards pull-ups push-ups sit-ups and a run super low barrier to entry that's to qualify to go talk to um somebody while you're at boot camp and when I was there now in the modern era being a seal as its own rate which I think would be an MOS would be like you know the 18 whatever so when I went through there was only I think 16 um a schools which is your occupational School you could pick and I just looked at the list as which one was the shortest and I picked operations specialist a school which is a radar scope operator so I went from boot camp to radar scope operator school which happens to be on the Dam Neck Naval Annex and I still after graduating there had no idea that Development Group was just up the road because I had no reason to go there I was just doing my a school stuff I was training as hard as I could I got my buds class assignment at the end of that course went to buds graduated from buds went back to Benning for static line checked into team five spent the year and a half doing my actually was about a year I was in an operational platoon but I didn't have my tried in y spent the year doing the training did the test which one I went through was hosted by the team itself you did each one of the Departments would set up a test is like the diving Department you would put together open circuit gear closed circuit gear plan a Drager dive talk about currents planed diving Mission then you go over to the um the Ordinance Department and they'd have like a Sig 226 out there and M60 which God I wish we stillo had those the sound of an M6 just yeah such a a lower cyclic rate than the modern ones which don't get me wrong like I like and I saw we 240 cuz they are ripping it but the 60 isack I would go to a symphony like if I was at a I would want to be first chair on the m6 the Flames the way they Spike and spit but so they had an M14 out there an M4 and you're taking everything apart describing every piece then demo do a demo calculation on C4 time fuse and then you'd go over to the air Department um and I wasn't a jump master and they know that but they're talking to you about jumping things put together um you know put your stuff on correctly pack a Ruck for a jump they did that for every single one of those departments and at the end and then there was an oral board and at the end of that you are award to Trident or you're not and they'll recycle you back through that if you if you do poorly because they've put two and a half years into you at that point in my first platoon there were two guys who were screening to go to Green Team which is what they called The Selection I think they call it S&T now and that was the first time I had ever heard the term Development Group and I think at that time they were just still calling it SEAL Team Six Development Group is the official name of the command SEAL Team Six is what's on all of the slides and that's that's not by any means sensitive anymore it's all over the [ __ ] world unfortunately so those two guys and asking them what it is they were training for was the first time I had ever heard of it I do remember being at OSA school and hearing like explosions and gunfire on the north side of the compound I'm like I don't I'm not going up there I got to study how to use this radar scope one of the guys made it through one of them did not and I think the reason I didn't know anything about it is if you went from a West Coast command and you didn't make it through or even if you did you never came back they would send you to a different command most of the time on the East Coast if you had come from a West Coast or they'd send you out to Yuma as a freef fall instructor and there just was almost no beta whatsoever but I talked with them the one who made it through I maintained uh communication with and then in my second platoon that's when I started physically training for the selection process and then the message came out where you know hey if you want to if you're looking at doing selection for this put your name into the hat and begin that whole selection process I didn't have a clue what it was until a couple years into my career and this was pre 9911 this is pre like ' 97 98 99 peace time yep I was in the Army and it it was horrible I mean it was just like there wasn't a lot going on and when you when you look at that time period in your career you got to go to sniper school is that the career path you wanted to follow and did you enjoy that course the most I wanted to be a calm guy and a sniper because in my mind if anything ever did kick off ever you need at least a cal guy but probably a sniper as well so why not be both cuz you're going to get on every single man every single one yeah so it started with comms because sniper school is limited by the number ofets available and you're not going to sniper school and your first platoon is a brand new guy like when I got to team five um freef fall was not part of the pipeline out of 16 guys there might have been six who were free fall qualified like you didn't even get looked at for that until you guys used to go to our y's Free Fall yeah well even um I think Yuma the JFK Center is still the course the overall umbrella for all freef fall in the military even though the the Seal program now has their own freef fall course I think they still report back to the Army but I mean and so for the seal Community the billets available were based off the number of instructors that they could have from the SEAL Teams going to Yuma so I think they would get two or three students per instructor it was a very hard course to get the Navy runs its own sniper course right yes that's that's only Navy sales go through that unlike well I with the sodic it was Rangers it was uh the unit and it was SF snipers in the mhm um but you guys have your own yep is it designed kind of like off of binnings I know there's a lot of fieldcraft there's couldn't tell you because I never went to the bing one the only exposure I have to sniper School in the POI there or the curriculum um is when I went through I never went back as an instructor and I never audited any of the other services courses so I have no idea how many weeks was your sniper school I think it was six weeks of shooting and then six weeks of stalking wow it was long we started on m4s first you had to qualify with an uh with an M4 like I just shoot expert on a regular military qualification that you'd get your ribbon for um and then we started m4s open sights all the way out to a th yards which is a poke open sight M14 then we switched to uh 300 wi mags which is why I still to this day love that round it's not that it has the best ballistic capabilities but I've been shooting that thing since 99 yeah um 50cal which is a horrendous and horrible weapon system that weighs about as much as this table and the bullets are about this size eyes and weigh about that much and you will get a nose bleed and concussion if you shoot it too much brutal and Sr 25s were coming through that we were the first class we actually did a bunch of stocking with those um but that was kind of the beginning so you had to pass the shooting course to go out to the stocking course but it during that shooting course it was everything that I'm sure the other courses it was um unknown distances snaps and movers walking targets um we were still Milling like I didn't touch a Laser Rangefinder until probably like a decade later it was all Milling things like I'm used to Mo MOA like that's what I was that taught on so that's what and I know a lot of the army uses Mill and there's I mean there's so many different sites and they're all awesome as long as you know how to use them I've always been an MOA guy because of that school so you know measuring things observation drills Kim's games PT and I literally stayed in a tent out at a range a civilian range out in colinga that's where we did the shooting and you were either on the line shooting or you working in the butts pulling targets up and down all day every day for I think it was about 6 weeks wow so 12 weeks total around yep and then you go straight to stocking out into nyand which is out near the base of the chocolate mountains in California and [ __ ] it's hard it's High Desert it's and they issued me a ghillie suit I must have spent three weekends and probably bought most of the burlap sacks from Home Depot just shredding them the I looked like Chewbacca and I'm of course I was making I remember making it it was at my in-laws at the Times house and they had a pool and I would just sit in the shade under the awning and I'm just like putting burlap in there had I just gone into the sun I would have seen that it glows and like crawling around in a burlap ghillie suit it you just it looks like nothing other than a guy crawling around in a burlap suit so by the end of the course all of that [ __ ] I had taken the time to now cut it off but it was all stocking so you had to get to I think it was between 150 to 200 was the range that you had to stalk into um and I'm sure it was the same deal for you guys take first shot unobserved there's two walk ERS out there and generally two people at a table about this size and it was again no no laser range finder but they'd always have either like the same set of binos up or like a coat can or something like that that you had milled before to learn your distances so you could judge the distance and so first shot um they'd move a walker to within 10 yards you'd have to reload take a second shot and then if you could get to the third shot with them that be able to they pick up their radio and move it over and put it on you if you could get to the if you get through the first two before that I think you would get a seven and then if you could get get to the third shot unobserved you'd get a 10 and I think you needed an 80% to graduate something like that you had no problems getting to the school it was hard um High attrition I hear and yeah it was it was equal part there's people who failed for stocks and people who failed for shooting as well um I wasn't at the top of the class I wasn't at the bottom of the class it took a little bit to understand you know there's there's sniper school and like terrain and concealment and cover and then there's playing the game and uh you know sometimes instead of crawling I would wait till one Observer was looking at somebody else who had taken a shot and another and I would look at them and tell that their binoculars were in different directions and I would just stand up and walk directly at them because they were busy so why crawl I would wait until somebody else would shoot and I would just stand up in the [ __ ] wide open and walk at them done that why not there's only two observ so there's there's no the skill and then there's playing there's playing the game yeah I did equal parts both that's good adapt and overcome hey guys if you know Phil Craft survival if you know Mike Force if you know me then you likely know about Montana Knife Company Montana knife company was founded by a buddy of mine Josh Smith Master 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started early in the year I think we moved out right around Christmas of 2001 so I went through the selection interview physical test process in 2001 late 2001 post 911 so right after 911 I think it was October so this is about the time near Roberts Roberts Ridge that happened when I was in Green Team wow you're getting a lot of feedback from I'm I'm assuming the field and you're going through training that's likely I mean training evolved especially in S&T yeah organizations for or every organization the military rapidly because we had a legacy optic and viewfinder of how we operated especially through the ' 80s and '90s and Cold War and then all of a sudden we're in the gwatt and things are changing almost every single day how long is Green Team and were you getting adaptive changes while you were going through training Green Team when I went through was six months long and it was still based off of what I would say is tactics looking not in the rearview mirror because they weren't paying attention but there the optic Ford was changing at the speed of War I mean we were doing Dynamic CQB regardless of of the mission set until 2005 which is insane Looking Back Now like let's run into this room as fast as possible for absolutely no reason there's no compelling reason to do so there's Windows there's doorways we could put a hole in the wall if we want to and uh it was wild and Looking Back Now like that's not the smartest but I don't know about the Army Community in the seal Community there are often drastic shifts in tactics but it almost always comes with the loss of life in and there was a few specific targets um one of them was my old Squadron in Iraq where uh there's a guy who was from my understanding I wasn't there um sandbagged and laying underneath uh carpets in the corner so the guy who first came in through the threshold got stitched up in the head and the guy tried to come in to pull him out and got uh some lower pelvis shots and expired in the doorway and that was about the last time Dynamic CQB was advocated for except for in hostage Rue situation did you get a sense going through that training because obviously it was different from what you were used to that you were operating and potentially going to war right after training and it was going to be very Dynamic I mean you're in the nearly the kickoff to war we were at the high-risk sear course up in Washington state there was another course of instruction That was supposed to happen after that I forget what it was but they stopped anybody who's going to and anybody who's going to gold and sech just over to finish up the carai detail so we didn't even finish gream before we went over to Afghanistan this was post the Ambush attempt on carai so we were largely just there to fill the Gap until they uh turned it over to I want to say dinoo or something like it was a contra a state department Contracting Company um but there there was no doubt whatsoever that we were going to jump from the conceptual world of Green Team to the Practical world of direct comp Direct combat soon so much so that you got pulled out of training to do a real world op that was required of you guys to do because they needed bodies they were short on Manning and they were trying to pull blue back because I think that was the first Squadron that had deployed to Afghanistan and they in the you know in the jort cycle they were getting ready to redo their deployment and they just needed bodies yeah was um the gentleman who won the who earned the Medal of Honor Brit Linsky britz yeah he he was in uh blue right red he was in red yes got it and that was the new Rober correct situation there was an incident in the cars ey detail where um there's a pretty famous picture of a Dev operator with a shirt off Peete hint and he's got a Grenade on his belt his T-shirt tied around his head yeah and and a lot of people were like oh he's just CU it looks like he's like a model for like yeah dear he's there's actually shrapnel wounds in his head it I think the round traveled around his skull a little bit essentially and he was just stopping the bleeding of his stopping bleed he wasn't just trying to get a tan he might have been doing both knowing Pete yeah his his brother was my first troop sheep in gow awesome yeah it was a pair of brothers that were there I was going to ask you specifically about the cars I detail cuz you were you were on that detail yep the tail end the tail end of it how was that and what were you under or overwhelmed by kind of the situation cuz PSD sucks yeah it's a horrible Mission set right nobody really wants to do it but it happens and you get plucked for that I've been plucked for uh for a couple presidential details you were on his specific detail that was a very busy detail did you like it I didn't know any better really I mean I was let's see in 2002 I was 25 new guy I was new guy one of the younger guys who had been through selection at that point in Green Team um and I mean [ __ ] we were over in Afghanistan I had grenades on my belt you know I'm got an M4 ready to [ __ ] rock and roll and I mean that part's cool but going out into a town with a a dignitary or somebody that you're you know he's trying to protect is the worst Mission template ever it's completely reactionary you could see all sorts of [ __ ] happening people looking at you and people maneuvering around and doing [ __ ] that you don't like and you just have to sit there and eat it until something happens and I hated it I hated the actual job itself most of the time we were you know we had a building we were staying in he had the presidential Palace and we would basically walk with him till he got to his office create a security bubble for him into his office and walk back so most of it was that and that wasn't that bad but anytime we ventured out or went anywhere with him it sucked um I don't even remember how long we were there it was less than 60 days and then we surged back and it was immediately um prepped for o1 in March of 03 so you guys get prepped for o1 and you go on your first rotation what rotation did you get shot on my seventh seventh rotation so you you have a cycle of rotations both in Iraq and Afghanistan or are you focused on Iraq back back and forth it was a ping pong okay there was a time um where the colors didn't play well you know army green navy blue both have their own contingent among many others of jok and at the operator level I always found those people to be fantastic but I think there was this ingrained like tension at the higher levels where people were talking about budget and Mission set and all of those things um we were very busy in Iraq for o if-1 and they surged over another squadron from KAG um and that relieved us and then there was a point in time where KAG was specifically focused on Iraq and uh damneck was specifically focused on Afghanistan which is stupid because you shouldn't have that level of geographic specificity and they recognized that so they started bringing small elements from both cross training POS cross-pollinating and cross deploying so I was actually with a squadron of KAG when I got shot that's right you were attached was one of your teams attached six of us six of you guys um we know some friends that were on that on that hit as well there's actually a whole bunch of people that were tied into that like Tom Flanigan the GU Eagles and Angels that's that's how I met Tom Tyler gray yeah was on that objective he we shared a hospital room in uh b or not BM in launch Tool together because we got meta on the same Bird yeah let's talk about that a fake name too [ __ ] [ __ ] Tyler what a convenient name for him um let's talk about specifically that that event what are the moments leading up to you actually taking rounds and then walk me through the the specific moment in which you got hit so to the best of my knowledge we were looking for a kidnapping cell I don't think they had kidnapped anybody at that point and this is like rearview mirror of 18 years at this point so um what year is this February 5th 2005 was the night I got shot um so run the math on that for me I mean you are I've sent you the official quantitative certificate that somebody sent to me in the hopes that it would make it way to you 19 years this this this uh February this February I think you mean next February that's okay I'll give you a pass on that CU that's a calendar thing not a math thing Chinese calendar we use of course yeah yeah you're of the snake if you know what I mean um so we were after a kidnapping cell and it was in in between Baghdad and fuia and people can go look at it on a Mac they have a there's not an overlap but there's kind of an area between the two so we were going off of signals intelligence we were looking for a particular device so we had people who specialize in that with us who I'm sure in your own experience uh sometimes they not exactly sure where it is so you got to go play hide and seek find the Easter egg if you will so in doing so we were walking around and somebody came out of a I was walking point at the time and for people listening that just means I was up in the front of the patrol that's what I did from the beginning of my second platoon all the way through my time at um Development Group I was appointment in a leag climber um so I was walking point and somebody came out of a building down a hallway or not down a hallway down an Alleyway and we pursued them into it I'm pretty sure we shotgun breached a door and the you know signals intelligence guy went back to work doing his thing we retraced our steps came back and it was a corner compound at the end of The Alley which we had passed and I remember that when we passed it there were no lights on when we came back there were lights on both um not external but internal the internal lights were on and it was an L-shaped it was like uh if you come up to a normal house this is me approaching the house you know the alley is running this direction I got up on a ladder and I was holding Security on my side of the building the only thing that would be different from this it be very normal like house in America where this would be a garage that's extending out a little bit so it was window door wall that comes out and goes over and where the garage door would be there was like another window super traditional short L Type building and I sat on that ladder for about 10 minutes and I was looking under underneath my nods and then I would look back through them because you know you can get the shadow on the nods or it'll people think that you're actually looking at or like through the tube and if and this is one of the things that cracks me up in the movies when somebody shines a flashlight on somebody and they're wearing nods they're like ah first off it has an auto shut off switch you dumb yeah and you're not act the light isn't making its way through the tube you're looking at a little screen you know so it's one of the things that cracks me up every time I see that in the movies but if you look at light source and everything else is dark it has like this halo effect so I was looking underneath it and i' look and you know the blacked out window where the garage door would be I didn't see anything in there they determined that was going to be the objective so it's like okay hey we're going to go over so I went over the wall and I waited I almost approached the door which would have been stupid but I had that thought and I waited to some more people came up and I was just going to hold security for the guy putting up a breach uh another mutual friend of ours um and I've talked about it and done a podcast with him but Sean Evangelista who owns uh 30 seconds out he was going to throw a C6 strip on this hollow metal door also known as Overkill which I'm a huge fan of for plenty yeah knock knock here we come every time yeah a curtain this door might have opened if we blew on it but like let's just put some C6 on this [ __ ] tip to tail we're talking [ __ ] full hinge side yeah up against and for anybody who's ever been around that you're like Oh Daddy that's that that hurts you want to get around the corner for that one yeah so I didn't like this blacked out window that I couldn't see in so before I turned my back to that I wanted to take a look into it and there was a vehicle that was uh in the courtyard as well the gate are you running what kind are you running ABS sixes like PVS 15s 15s okay aviation grade PVS 15 they were great you could see what's in somebody's hand at a couple little heavy but good knuts they were a little heavy but they they were [ __ ] good yeah and uh the whole time I was looking at the window that had the internal illumination I never saw a shadow I never saw a curtain move I didn't see [ __ ] I was looking at that window for about 10 minutes so I get up to the corner of the building and right before I was going to continue on I just wanted to look in the in the blacked out window and I turned my head to the right and I heard a shot break and it felt like Jose cono hit me with a baseball bat right in my super high left leg and it spun me towards as I I pushed off with my right foot and it spun me towards the window and it's the only time in my life where I've had that sensation of time slowing it you know I don't know if the guy had the AK on Full Auto or he was just cracking but it was like fullon Somali Style Just AK up in the air I don't think he had been aiming it but it was like boom boom and I hit the ground slid under the goddamn car my sling of my weapon decided to attach itself to the undercarriage of the vehicle so now I am stuck under the car with no ability to shoot back as I'm listening to rounds impact the vehicle looking at the muzzle blast and within what felt like about 30 seconds which probably about three real- time kick back in and uh you know what's the first rule of a fire fight [ __ ] return fire let's just say Mr Man with the AK got overwhelmed with suppressive fire pretty rapidly but you had cover you had we had people back up on the wall people who were in the courtyard started shooting back in I'm [ __ ] stuck under a vehicle the first thought that that hit my mind as I was spinning you know all the medical training we go to they talk about the danger of you know femoral arteries you know your pelvis you can fit all of the blood volume of your body into your quad and hamstring space and I knew that whatever had hit me however bad it was was above where I could put a tourniquet on so I assumed that I was probably going to be dead within three to five minutes all of those thoughts went through my head before my back hit the ground interesting so I can't you knew you were hit as going yeah it was not a shiatsu massage to use a term that you're familiar with I completely know that you're Korean not that I'm sure shatu is actually Korean um but Evan comes over and pulls me out and I'm like holding on my leg direct pressure and of course like this is the the thing that I don't know if you can ever describe to people about war you'll have the most horrific thing happen and then you're cat you're just laughing afterwards he pulls out a set of trauma shears he's like move your hand man I got to cut your pants I'm like bro direct pressure and we just start laughing and he Cut's I got to cut your pants off Dr pressure and then give me your penis yeah so he cuts it open and he cut your pants off he cut he cut at the pocket he didn't cut them off he just exposed the wound and uh Expos the wound and I don't know if I ever looked down at it what is this a a Dev Medic or a unit medic no this is just Shawn oh this is just EV Salter yeah this is EV this is the dude who moments later still went up and put put the breach on the door after there's still a gunfight going on they were just laying heat into that window and what we didn't know cuz this will tie into the story later on is that an element um from a squadron had also entered on the other side of the building and they were working their way towards that doorway that we were going to end up reaching they were internal in a firefight yeah so all of that [ __ ] was going on Sean cut it open he looked at it um from what he had described and there was it was there was multiple holes he drugged me out of the courtyard and then a medic got to me and they wrapped it up with um klex and that was it because klex allowed the pressure the gauze and they just were basically trying to stop the bleeding yeah and and um I basically sat on the outside with my back up against the um near the gate on one of those thick mud walls with my M4 and they went to work it was weird cuz I could have just all I did was hear it it was really odd I was sitting there with my [ __ ] not able to do by yourself uh there was other people like running about because it like there was people who were already injured from the gunfight on the inside internally there's people who took rounds internal then a breach goes up and I hear him saying you know send the breach and this and the breach goes and for maybe another 30 seconds there's a lot of noise and then it's like [ __ ] me and they started bringing in little birds and putting people on it Tyler's arm damn near near came off there was a guy so close to the breach that it peeled off layers of his ballistic helmet like he went blind for about 30 seconds to a minute massive concussion could do with the gunshot wound to his uh bicep one of our guys had a gunshot wound through and through on his hand it's a mass casualty nearly there was I think seven or eight guys that got hurt I got put into a Bradley and driven back to the green zone and they were they were Landing little birds there to stuff the most uh critically wounded people and get them out of it was a [ __ ] show what was the disposition of you with the injury post getting hit were you in pain did were you able to stop the bleed internally um the only thing I ever got applied to the wound was klex I've still never had surgery I've never had stitches I've never broke well you know sometimes I break my pinky doing Jiu-Jitsu it's the gentle art should get into it um they didn't do anything because my main complaint when I got to the green zone was my ankle I felt like my ankle was being driven over repetitively by a steamroller come to find out later on not that getting shot feels good and I don't avocate it for anybody um there's hundreds of pieces of metal I actually have a picture I'll show you it's of my pelvis there's a bunch of pieces of metal inside of there but my main complaint was and you've seen this and people can look it up on Google when a bullet goes into um like ballistic gel the shock waves so that round when it came out either hit my sciatic nerve or the shock wave interacted with it but it fried it and the termination point of that is in your ankle and it [ __ ] hurt so I thought my ankle was broken and they then the green zone they were awesome they're like cutting my shoe off and getting me image and they come back they're like dude your ankle's fine I'm like no it's not let me hit let me see your ankle I will provide to you the type of pain in your ankle that I'm currently feeling in M Hammer I'll show you and then uh you know that's they Juiced me with morphine for the first time there and this is where my sister and I which I didn't know at the time my sister uh when she was trying to get her uh wisdom teeth taken out they tried to put her under and they gave her the classic countdown from 100 yeah well she got to zero which is uncommon yeah we have a genetic blood abnormality that processes specifically and some pain medications differently so it's far less effective yeah so they juice me with morphine like I need I need more of that and they juice me and they juice me and they juice me and then they brought out a chart and said this is where you're at for height weight if we give you any more it's going to stop your heart and it was having an effect at that point but it was far less it's a shitty time to find out that you have that type of uh genetic blood abnormality but you're going through the pain you're you're you're feeling it and the doctor so they imaged me with an x-ray and the guy said it didn't didn't interact with any bones your body will encapsulate all of the shrapnel in calcium we can try to get it out if you want and I said well how would you do that and like we'd Knock You Out we'd put a tube down your throat for to intubate you we'd put you on your stomach take a two-dimensional x-ray because we don't want to give you a CAT scan because they assume that there's Ferris metal in my body and we would just start cutting and slicing and pulling open and just looking through the for the frag and I said is is there another option CU that sounds horrible you said leave it in left it in never had a surgery um when the scabs came the guy was literally like hey when the scabs come off this was later on in Portsmith when I was getting following care like yeah when the scabs come off if you're a fan of taking baths you can take a bath that was it now what what do you after looking back on everything and assessing what happened on that Target that night what specifically happened when you got shot what do you think happened as far as the round where it impacted and how it came in so the first round hit me and I'm glad that that it did I think I've showed you the belt that I was wearing that night so it hit me and it spun me towards the shooter and I was I pushed off because the second round traveled down my belt for about 4 Ines and the copper jacket of the round is still melted into my belt had it not spun me that probably would have been a fatal 762 x39 pelvis shot and I mean there's not there's just not a lot you can do in the pelvic girdle as you know no um and it's [ __ ] it's not a good way to go not that there's a great way to go but if I had to choose between being shot in the pelvis in the face I'll take two two between the eyes Alex for 500 yeah um so it was I think more than likely the people in that house we are obviously at the right house because they that was I never actually checked to see if whether or not they were the cell but they were obviously armed and willing to fight which was kind of uncommon at that time even if they were armed they didn't want to fight because they knew that if they didn't fight and they threw their hands up they might live to see another day at least that phase in the war um they heard us I don't think they saw us because of the walls but they HT us and H enough to get ready and when we came back they were just ready yeah that's really all it was yeah I mean think about somebody coming to your house you're going to have the Tactical Advantage at least for a little bit they're going to overwhelm you with Firepower and numerical superiority and all of those things but I mean I I live in a small townhouse right now that we went rent in town I know exactly where I could go and stand and really make somewhere between six to eight people's lives really shitty they're going to win eventually but going to take some people with me did you get exfilled out of the country after that happened I imagine it became more complicated medically so you needed to get to higher level Tyler and I got thrown on a helicopter and uh flown to bad then c141 medical c141 to launch stool into a school bus rigged to hold stretchers and that actual portion of it the airplane and the school bus ride was the worst part there were tip to tail side to side full of injured people who were [ __ ] up yeah we're talking screaming in pain anytime that they moved excruciating pain did we had a jck doctor I mean myself and Tyler had a guy I was like hey I this is horrible can you put me out he's like yep no problem like see in Germany yeah other people didn't have that experience but we get on the the bus in launch the airport it was like a 40-minute bus drive you know about Vehicles shocks on school buses aren't great imagine being in a Stretcher with like erector sets that they were able to put on some people or broken you know what I mean and you're like bouncing around it was it was horrible it was horrendous we get to the hospital Tyler and I shared some Jello together watched some DVDs he stayed there for longer I ended up getting on a commercial flight coming home and was home couple days after it happened wow so this changes this is probably a turning point in your career because after this the whole officer thing comes into play that came into play a couple years later when I was a buds instructor I was doing my lpo tour a leading petty officer tour during that deployment and because I didn't do it for enough days they counted it as incomplete so you couldn't promote I could not promote and I didn't know it at the time I got turned down for E7 twice and I finally was able to talk to somebody who was at the board and they're not supposed to talk about it whatsoever and you I was like your record even never got assessed because the lpo block was not checked and at buds I was at a Shore command at a Shore command you have to hold that Billet for two years and I had just checked in and the guy had just started so I would have had to wait for two years for him to finish do it for two years so now we're at four and then apply for the next E7 cycle hopefully it wouldn't have been an additional year cuz I only do it one time a year so I have like a potential 5year like trying to run uphill in in soft sand and I didn't want to get out of the military and the reason I wanted to make Chief I think just like everybody does as they go up the ranks whether it's officer or enlisted is I want to have an impact you know like you're starting to get a good amount of experience you want to be able to pass that experience on and you want to be in a place where you can make help make decisions and have some impact over what happens and it wasn't going to happen on the enlisted side and I found a program called the ldo program or The Limited duty officer program that uh didn't requ ire a college degree there was no lpo requirement you basically submit your service record you do a couple interviews it's the in the Navy it was the same uh vehicle that the warrant officers go through their commissioning is a little bit different but it's the same package and interview and you know you're what does honor mean to you you know what I mean like you you fill out all these things which it's not hard to do and everybody kind of just fills in the rote answers you know and what they think they want to hear oral interview and then you submit the package and a message came out and like July of 2008 hey you got picked up number one candidate to be selected and so the first guy gets commissioned in October second guy November then December and it goes on so October 1st of 2008 I went from being an E6 to into 01 with no additional training or understanding how to wear an officer uniform so you just literally go to like clothing and sales and they I went to the Navy Exchange I'm going to assume the woman I talked to was your cousin you can fill in the negative space on that and uh gentic I said I'm going to become an officer in October I don't know what uniforms are required please fill my shopping cart up with me for everything that I'm going to need and then we went know they had the tailoring Department there and uh yeah that's how that went so one day you're Enlisted the next day you're an officer did were there people in your command that were like what like what no I mean everybody knew it was coming happen yeah and then I remember the first time I wore my khakis which is like the working officer uniform I walked over and I found a guy it was an E9 who I had known from the Comm go I was like dude do I have this [ __ ] on right I had no idea so crazy yeah so crazy that's what and people this refers back to a time where um I imagine it comes from I know some guys in uh B Squadron who had had done this early on but it comes from Battlefield commissions it comes from the concept it's not that it's not that level I mean I know what you're talking about those guys are a lot of the times I think that happened because almost everybody else died or the all the officers died it it wasn't a battlefield commission it was off the merits of my service record for sure but it was not as Extreme as the situations that you're talking about but it's also at the time in War I mean I imagine that's the protocol is like you need a lot of good officers and you have a lot of enlisted experience so let's down select the best of the best I only know three three guys total you're one of them that have that went through that experience in in soft maybe it happened in the Army I I don't know if it happened in big military so ldos are line officers even though it says limited duty officer I was supposed to be in a training capacity so my first Duty station after that was at Seal Team 3 which is a nineiron shot away from buds or at least it was all the SEAL Teams now have been moved the whole compound has been moved uh South down actually by we went got those burritos yeah that one day where they recognized you before me which is awesome we're with rock hard was there too we're with we're like in the most seal Centric area and we're getting a burrito cuz I was going to show you like the most awesome place to get one in great they were delicious and this seal student comes up he like are you my Glover I'm like is this [ __ ] happening right now it was awesome it was fun most of the SEAL Teams are like actually literally right across the street from there now so it moved from there they they invested like billions of dollars to build a full complex indoor ranges like really cool [ __ ] um so I go to Team three I'm supposed to be the training officer and they're kind of racking and stacking where the vast majority of the team ended up going to Iraq to include the headquarters unit and two platoons were going to go to Afghanistan there was already on the radar an issue with the leadership of one of those platoon the OIC of that platoon or officer in charge the aoic of that platoon or assistant officer in charge his wife was pregnant so he was going to be delayed on coming overseas because he wanted to stay as the to see his child be born totally legitimate and the military will almost always bend over backwards to accommodate that for people who think that it's just like no you always go and at least the communities that I was involved with they always tried to make an effort if the person made an effort to show them it was a priority if you don't say [ __ ] the military is not going to do [ __ ] um early on in the the training cycle was identified that there was an issue with this guy and then of all the people going to Afghanistan um most of them were on their first deployment and almost none of them if none of them had ever actually set foot in Afghanistan so I was moved even though I was still the training officer at Team three three the commanding officer put me into the interim aoic slot for that platoon and I did the last few blocks of training with them to just kind of get back up to speed and get to know them and we get overseas and I ended up in a leadership tactical leadership position which is not the design of the ldo program shortly after this too to jump forward a little bit there was little to no participation or people looking at the ldo pipeline so they actually closed it down for the seal community and they converted everybody who was an 11:30 and I forget the four it was like a 5962 or a 5162 that was the ldo code uh commissioned Naval Academy or Roc officer is an 11:30 and they moved all the ldos over to becoming 11:30 so I would have on paper or in the digital system I would have just disappeared into the sea of regularly commissioned officers all having college degrees I barely graduate I'm like a you know me I'm a [ __ ] idiot right so I just would have disappeared into these sea of people with like four year degrees and some of them had like Masters or Road Scholars I'm like oh God I literally my first thought when I found out I got commission was this is proof the military advancement system is broken If this just happened we're all [ __ ] so so we get over to Afghanistan and we were out in a there a province out in a place called nabar and we built the fob that we moved into it was remote it was by with and through you know but it was also relatively kinetic in nature and it was awesome I mean as an O was that 01 yeah was an 01 my commanding officer threw me a set of Lieutenant bars which is an 03 or Captain equivalent so I was wearing 03 around generally and then when I would go to meetings I would grab my boss's like 04 oak leaves i' would put that I it was awesome whatever meeting I was going to I would pick the rank that I was at cuz if you're an 01 at a meeting full of like 05s and 06s they're like I'll take two uh creamers with my coffee and yeah oh yeah so I'm sitting there like yeah Scott I need to I need to borrow your collar device like yeah go for it so it was awesome up and down the pay grade as needed but how I found myself in that play it was insane I mean as an 01 I was carrying my 300 wi mag the javelin clue and two tubes that I had created in a backpack for my myself and I would largely it would help in the mission planning process but largely I got to cherry-pick The High Ground positions I wanted to be in and just lay heat on people that were trying to maneuver around and figure out where the lower level meaning terrain wise or elevation wise ground elements were it was a did you have to act as the Ground Force Commander as well on the on the from time to time yes there was uh there was a time where I were you giv initials to the Cass and just like throwing up no but there was a time where I essentially leaved that OIC and he was sent home within 72 hours of that was part of it was in an ambush i i l i remember sitting there I was sharing a vehicle with the E7 we were in side by sides thought we put thousands of kilometers on side by sides because the IED threat was so high we actually hit this 10 yeah so I was there in 10 too is Afghanistan yeah was in Kus yeah one of the first things we did was like a presence Patrol and an rg33 and hit a [ __ ] IED with the roller up front and we had to sit there for like 4 days for them to come recover this thing so it's like side by sides only thousands of miles or well maybe not miles kilometers for sure probably over a thousand miles in side by sides I was in a OverWatch position and so was the OIC at the time and for whatever reason he surrendered a high ground position that was dominant and went down into the village that we were overwatching and we had already uh a guy riding through on uh this is the Ground Force Commander Who's acting PL Commander he's a platoon Commander he was up in High Ground position which is a great spot for there's one officer per platoon right as a commander OIC aoic okay got it and then the leadership Suite would be what is that OIC officer in charge and then AIC assistant officer and then there's going to be an E7 or a chief there that's kind of like the leadership suite for a platoon and then an lpo that would be your top four um guy what does that span for leading petty officer okay got it guy had come by an a motorcycle with an AK strapped onto him um he ate a 300 wi mag round so people knew that we were there and an element moved into the V uh Village and for whatever reason I look up and I see this side by side coming down a hill I'm like what the [ __ ] that is the most dominant terrain feature that we have and he called everybody in so we collapse from our positions I remember talking to the Chief and telling him like this is not good we no longer have eyes up and out in the other direction and if we stay here like this and don't get the [ __ ] out of here we are going to get ambushed and about 5 minutes later we did and and I remember sitting there looking at the OIC and I was counting in my head like one two waiting for him to make a call no calls were made I was like [ __ ] this and I just took over and started maneuvering the ambush from my element so this is post you're getting ambushed yeah we're in an ambush I in an ambush watching the OIC [ __ ] nothing okay and counted to five like that's it and immediately drove up to a high ground position identifi where we were getting shot from maneuver the element out bounding OverWatch got to a safe area got cast in overhead so you're the assistant in this pos position okay got it got it yeah okay by I mean by rank yes it was the second in the in command at that time and uh yeah that guy got sent home about 72 hours later how did that how did that work on did you call somebody and say hey this what happened the aoic had the ability to come back so I was going to then be pulled as the operations officer which at first I wasn't super stoked about but the uh the legend of the javelin had spread um I remember the first time I shot one at a dude at an observation position and I was recording reporting it back down into Kandahar and I was giving you know the the salta r report the size the activity location time actions taken all these things was like one by enemy Personnel um reporting on our positions from a high ground with an Icom engaged with a one by Javelin missile results are vaporization for one the guy was like engage with what a buddy of mine was in the jock there he goes they were losing their [ __ ] minds not that they were mad but they were like that's awesome so I get pulled back to the uh headquarters element and I was I was I would do a bunch of computer work during the day but the range on the javelin is great and by 2010 our enemy knew the effective range of our weapons and a PKM will just lob [ __ ] in Beyond any 762 rifle other than yeah well effectively beyond the the the reach of a 762 they can stand outside of our effective range just lob [ __ ] in and I plunging PKM fire is second to me other than indirect mortar fire it just sucks man there such a big round it sounds like and I made this comment one people like you don't know [ __ ] about ballistics I said it's like a belt-fed 300 wind mag I didn't mean it was a [ __ ] belt fed wind it sounds like and feels like um so they would creep into like 2K and let me just tell you the javelin can lock onto you at 2K as a fire and forget heat seeking missile that works all the way down to what I would say somewhere between a 10 to 12year old cuz I tried and I couldn't get it to lock on um but adults for sure and I'm joking about that I would never aim it at a child for people out there who are like you [ __ ] war criminal like I'm joking it's um but it'll lock on the heat signature of a person at that distance and if there's more of them the more the better so I was able to have some impact not only on people observing but people maneuvering and people and firing from ranges that we wouldn't be able to do much with and the other tomb we were with had heard about that so I started getting sent like Mission planning slides of like you know if we were to invite you what High Ground position would you want I was like well this one right here they're like cool you're on the Manifest so then I got to double the amount of operations that I got to go on so I'd do computer work during the day and then I would load up my uh you know my jet man backpack at night designated jaer yeah just Javelin it was basically I look like Buzz Lightyear with his little things go ping and they would stick out cuz I would go all of my kit helmet nods all the other [ __ ] I needed back pack on with two missiles that I had strapped like this the clue would flip over the top in my 300 wi mag and I would just go get on hel you a javelin Ace oh yeah by far yeah I think I shot 12 or 13 of those things yeah it's just rare ja I is rare so you I noticed say a trend here you you're like the ghost assaulter you could you're the ghost assaulter yeah the ghost you're you're able to be in any position you want but you have no specific responsibility you've kind of gotten into a position where like you could do you could free Flo and do whatever you want two a degree yeah a very atypical career progression yeah and and I want to ask this direct was the fact that you came from devguru a component and giving you the latitude from Chief from senior officers even from the men's perspective I imagine that word was getting around it's like Andy came from Dev he could do what he wants kind of deal it was never that I could do what I want like I don't get me wrong there was I've always played inside of the rules and I you know it's one thing that people have always complained about you know the rules of engagement are too confining or the theater specific guidance I look at it the other way okay this is my hard left and hard right but I can do anything in between those like okay now I know what I can do now I can get creative so even in the the roles that I had I could never just be like hey I'm going to go do do this but I could pitch an idea like wouldn't you what do you think about this level of force multiplication put me and two javelins up there and two snipers on this Hilltop I have a 3 km ring that I can provide security and observation for as well as um I wasn't current at the time but I had been a jtac in my career through the comms as well so I can talk on any radio I can shoot out there with my 300w mag I can pull out the the javelin and hit both people and equipment and at that time I had more combat experience than anybody in either of those platoon so I think all of that factored in I don't think it was specifically a Dev group thing experience it and I'm not saying that I have a lot of or had a lot of experience but in comparison to my peers I had more than most if not all of the people that I was there with interesting um we talk about this uh Endeavor focal point where you know I think you created the mission set of wanting to allow people to critically think versus telling them how to specifically think Sebastian younger's quote the role of the press is not to tell people what to think it's to tell people what to think about yeah I love that and that's something that we've been doing on focal point in fact we're filming episodes for focal point tomorrow which is going to be awesome thank you for telling me that today I was not aware of that that's how we roll it's as easy as a conversation it is um the patreon's questions uh on patreon I want to get to those because they're very much like that they they don't and and you speak broadly especially when it comes to things like okay leadership go which we're doing here in like 20 minutes yes do you have any suggestions for developing leadership it says 11-year-old but let's just go with young men how do you develop leadership in young men yeah people aren't going to like this answer um because it's really hard you have to model the behavior you want to see from them and if you look at the most influential people in your life or if you are a parent and you don't recognize the the power of that leadership position you're already at a disadvantage I mean I look back I learned the vast majority of the lessons had my true north oriented early on in my life before the military the military refined it for sure but the examples of hard work and integrity and communication on a job site that came from my dad but the ability to how to have a conversation between a man and a woman or a loving relationship or showing affection or dealing with um adversity or things that you don't agree on and being able to communicate and grow and evolve that came from their interaction and I don't think there's a course that you can send an 11-year-old too because they're in school every second that you are around them and they're watching you do your kids know any bad words Mike a lot have you sat them down and been like just so you know when you stub your toe what you should say is [ __ ] because that's what my daughter does when she stubs her toe from the age of three yeah I wonder where she learned that from though not from me cuz I I don't ever swear it was my ex-wife of course she's a terrible role model also a joke everybody you don't need to [ __ ] you don't need to send her a clip of this I'm joking um parents are the most valuable leadership role that there is in by example by example because they're not the kids don't have a processing ability of sitting down and going through a point of instruction or a POI they're not interested in doing that I don't think they have the processing capability but think about all the micro lessons that you can teach them and that starts with you having a really good understanding of who you are and at all times an understanding of how you are behaving in front of them because they're listening to everything they're watching everything and they're ready to mimic your behavior very good answer um thanks Adam for that Omar ask this is very specific to Brazilian jiu-jitsu do you think Rene's Gracie online BJJ University is good enough to learn Basics did you say Renee is it re n r no he put it's it's hen yeah it's hen he that's not how you yeah yeah if there would be an r in there that yeah it's Henry Gracie yep um is good enough to learn BJJ Basics or en level fundamentals to stay alive in the real world my current work schedule and location doesn't lend itself to getting on the mat my girlfriend is more than willing to be a training partner to do it that way let's work this question backwards do not use your girlfriend as a training partner whatsoever in Jiu-Jitsu especially yeah my wife is a [ __ ] badass on the mats she's a three stripe black belt which it's uncommon for a woman to achieve a black belt in Jiu-Jitsu three stripes mean she's been at black belt for 9 years her next stripe will be 5 years from now so it's three in between each and the next one her fourth will be five we roll and I recognize once because I beat her and as that was happening I could see in real time the impact that it was going to have on my personal life and it's not worth it I realized oh no and I you saw it coming oh [ __ ] like chess don't do it um so and it's it can be tough we get an argument sometimes after we roll I am bigger than her I am stronger than her I have been an athlete my entire life Jiu-Jitsu is not magic it has to take into account everything else that you bring to the table I can give her a hard time she doesn't like that she's been training for a lot longer than me we have found ways to sometimes successfully navigate that and that means I'm not allowed to win I actually we just kind of go back and forth and I leave it at that use with caution significant others as training Partners so let me relationships let me help let me help you help yourself now okay on the Jiu-Jitsu front can you learn if the options if you're going to give me a binary option of I can't train or I can only do it online or instruction online apps and a coach I'm always going to tell you to train online ABS in a coach I don't think and I've only been doing ggsu for 5 years so I'm not an expert I'm not a coach I'm not a black belt um something is better than than nothing but videos are a tough medium because you can't feel what it is they're trying to show you one of the most valuable coaching tools that I've ever been able to be given is when a coach talks about something and if you have a question they come demonstrate it on you you understand the angle you understand the grips you understand specifically the pressure which you can't see that in videos um so if that's the binary Choice do I think that you can learn enough to defend yourself I think you could have enough information in your head but you're not going to have enough live reps pressure testing that information against a truly resisting partner um knowing all of the Jiu-Jitsu in the world is great not being able to apply it with timing and technique is a problem and you're not going to get that absent live roles so if that's all you have do it but I would find a way to modify your schedule if you want to go down the jiujitsu path to do it with training partners that are about your size and experience level so you can pressure test these things because your online education in my opinion and that's all it counts for will fall apart in a real world application Xavier says what have been some of your personal challenges during your journey after the military and how are you able to overcome some of these challenges thank you hardest thing I've ever done in my life was go through my divorce it was the roughest twoe time period of my life it had a physical impact on me that was probably worse than anything that happened collectively my military career it was the lowest point in time of my own self-worth my value as a human being my value as a par I questioned everything about myself it [ __ ] sucked um and I went back to um I've talked about this in some of the leadership seminars that we have done and one of the key things that allows people to make it through selection processes specifically buds is that they just break down their massive goals into super small digestible chunks and in buds that could be make it through the day and hell week that could be make it through to the the next meal or make it to the next hour or make it through the next Evolution but there were times in the middle of that divorce where I'm like you know what I'm just going to try to make it through the end of this Zoom call and then I'm going to try to see the sun go down and you know what I hope tomorrow is a better day if I would have started looking at how long am I going to be able to do this and how much more do we have to do and what's this going to cost it would have absolutely destroyed me it was hard enough so I defaulted back to breaking up massive goals into digestible chunks and only focusing on that next chunk what specifically helps you out of that were there certain very specific things that did that I spoke to a therapist every Wednesday for almost two years staying Physically Active for me is directly tied to my emotional stability and my emotional health as well so I I leaned on Jiu-Jitsu and the people at the gym as my training Partners they didn't even know it they did not even know the role that they they held in my I would use the word stability but there were times where I was unstable called recovery I guess from where I was to where I was able to grow out of they didn't even know it they had no idea that they were playing that role in my life um and then probably the biggest thing that trended stuff in the right direction was meeting Leah yeah um RR Peron ask Andy in all seriousness when you're alone with your thoughts not podcasting not doing media not talking to left or right folks do you ever go down the thought process or path of the fact that the US is dying I mean I think a bigger question is is the US dying I don't think it is um I mean you've known me long enough I I I don't hold different opinions off air than on air you know whether we're creating content or doing something in front of a classroom that we're getting ready to do here at your HQ uh inovo or a podcast or we're at a sharing an air BNB somewhere before an event like are are we are good at the thoughts that we have or the thoughts that we have it doesn't change whether or not there's a red light flashing somewhere um you know I have I try to have conversations with people from all sorts of different generations and I don't worry about it too much because it seems as if every generation has faced an existential threat of what they used to know it seems to be threatened and they're unsure of the future and I think we're going to be okay I was doing a podcast with Tim Kennedy this morning actually for change agents and he was talking about cuz I asked him I said are you hopeful or cautious about our future and he goes you know my sons are playing on a hockey team or my son is playing on a hockey team and I just went there and it was people all the way up to you know 18 year- olds just before the professional cusp and he's like I smoked the [ __ ] out of him and they were there for it they want they train 10 times a week they wanted to work out hard they're exactly the person that you would want in a foxhole with you so those people are still always going to be out there and it doesn't need to be every everybody I'm worried that we seem to be trending towards a gelatinous homogeneous society that is completely incapable of getting off their ass to a degree but the beauty is as long as that culus of people exist we can do so much because of the leverage of those people and the power of those people I'll start getting really worried if Tim had gone to that or and you and I in our day-to-day professional or personal life we don't run into that group of people if that disappears I'll start being worried as long as that exists I think that we're going to be okay because of the power of Leverage and how much we can leverage those people it doesn't have to be everybody I am worried about like the passivity of our society and this desire to treat uncomfortableness and pain like a medical symptom that has to be addressed like the most valuable things in my life are the ones that I have worked the hardest for it seems like if you and I'm not saying that this is the case is what it seems like to me if you wake up and you you know I'm just having a bad day it's like oh we need to treat that it's like no work your way through your [ __ ] bad day like it's going to be all right you're going to be more resilient at the end of that not every day is supposed to be like ear to ear grins you know um William Leos ask how would you teach daughters how to always be aware without making it obvious I mean imagine he means situation y I mean I think you should teach it's interesting I had a question for an episode that came out today you know it was about how do I teach my daughter you know I want her to be independent but also I don't want to like turn her off from allowing people to help her and my theory is you should treat like will your daughter know how to change a tire yes of course right um had to check the oil in her car some people like oh only a guy should do that like that's really weird that is weird like how about we take the gender role out of knowledge and teach everybody the same because to me there's two different buckets there like there's capability men and women from a knowledge perspective should be equally capable like like oh I shouldn't know how to change a attire cuz I'm a woman like the [ __ ] you talking about you're you're waiting to be a statistic and like what if you're in the middle of nowhere like let's be capable people so teach men and women the same skills and then we have to teach men and women how to respect each other like for me I don't look at it as a gender role to open the door for my wife I love her to death and I respect her and I enjoy doing it and I saw my father modeling that behavior I walk to the outside of the street when we're walking down the street because I recognize that the vehicles are threats and I just because I love her and respect her so much I want to put myself in that position if we see somebody weird walking down the street and this happens all the time I just put myself in between her I don't say anything I'll grab her hand sometimes but and she knows what I'm doing but there's the capability and then there's the respect aspect capability I think should be equal for guys you also don't want to be overbearing and try to do everything and for girls you don't want to be passive and demure all the time and waiting for people so that's kind of that balance so I would teach them to be as capable as possible and then also explain to them like you don't need somebody to open the door for you and maybe don't expect that but understand if somebody does it it can be at a level that's deeper than oh they're what they're thinking in their head is oh nice tits maybe they had a great set of parents and they're just being respectful you know but again it goes back to modeling but treat men and women the same when it comes from a capability perspective I like that last question Cammy says what do you think will be the first move the enemy will take to potentially destabilize the United States um EMP question mark then synchronize a tax station wide or just major States how do you think that will unfold like unrest worst case scenario they've already done it they divided us I think this country is the most divided I've ever seen it in my 46 years on planet Earth we can't even agree at this point and find any common ground on most issues so we're spending so much much time looking inward arguing about who we are and what we stand for and far little time looking external I don't think they need an EMP you think that was part of the plan I think that there are nation states out there that disagree with our way of life and they will do anything that they can to interrupt that but why invest all of your money into a military power or a nuclear bomb program or all of these things when you could sit down with a 100 people who are really techsavvy leverage AI I mean how much how many people get all of their information and social interaction from this anxiety Cube and it's not that you know that I think somebody sees an Instagram video and then it's like godamn it they pick up a battle axe and they want to go like I'm a conservative I'm goingon to go kill a liberal it's not that but I think it's micro nudges and like there are behavioral therapists that know exactly what type of little hooks to put into content that elicits a response and if I was a nation state what would I rather do would I rather line up tanks in armor and battle it out or sit back and just completely erode a country from the inside while the people who are being eroded don't even recognize it I think the first Moon's already been taken we focus on that effort and conversation of AI EMP kind of end of days scenarios in one of the focal point episodes we just talked about EMP stuff actually uh on the change AG episode which I have no idea when it's coming out but it'll be after this because this comes out Monday I think you said yeah we just did that when is that I have no idea you just did one with Tim right was that the same episode or is it a different episode that was this morning I think you and I what day is it today I have no idea [ __ ] it's Friday I think you and I did our episode Thursday yes I have no idea when it's coming out though okay and I have idea what day is or what time minut is we got eight minutes into our leadership seminar I have one more selfish question Well a true leader shows up five late so we actually have carry the 113 true true um I'm actually interested in this personally I've never asked you this before but where does the obsession of jumping come from because I see you passionate in many things yeah jits is one of them yeah um but jumping is yeah but there's something like that's got to come from somewhere is there a route to that did you get the interest in military freef fall because outside of just jumping for fun you've broken many records including a world record with um supporting folds of Honor with Legacy Expeditions seven continents seven days and you guys did in six days six and a half yeah and a half days and then also uh world record jumps for a wing suit flying and you you Bas jumped and where does that come from uh where where you hate the water you seem to love oh yes I do hate the water um my original desire to get free fall qualified was an absolute disgust and distaste for static L jumping because we would get a C130 and the static GL Dunes were on the port side of the aircraft and the freef fall dudes were on the starboard the Free Fall guys were happy and hooting and hollering and having a good time and the static line dudes were wrapping their ankles knees necks elbows wrists and [ __ ] tape and ice and getting metac off screaming medic from as you hear people in freef Fall can's like so awesome did you see me I saw you it was so good I saw you seeing me and that was my initial I'm like [ __ ] this so I went and got civilian qualified first and ended up challenging the military course I just always really liked it it's just fun I enjoy it it's really cool to be able to you know manipulate your body in a three-dimensional space um and then I had the opportunity to pursue all the era qualifications when I was at Development Group so I got every air qualification the military has to offer and just really enjoyed it there's not there's not like a deep like oh like this is filling a hole for me I just even from my very first jump like damn this is awesome and for some people that's the way it is like it is like the Jiu-Jitsu bug will bite them and others I totally get it who are like yeah this is kind of okay and this is what we do from get to A to B but whatever I'm going to go do something else so I don't really have a super deep answer on that one it's just something to always enjoyed very interesting yeah especially like us are bigger guys like I mean me and you are nearly the same size it's like I I in static line ate [ __ ] every time I jump correct and in freef Fall I also ate [ __ ] that's because you're not good at it I'm not good at canopy control I'm very bad at it or the you not so from what I have seen and I have terabytes of footage that I'm happy to display from the exit not good freef fall not good pole sequence questionable canopy control not good but let's compare me with Mike Celli he's worse or maybe Evan haer Evan haer is not the fondest not great either I also have some video of him really rolling up the windows doing some little [ __ ] kicks they don't work you know my favorite is one you just filmed with Tim Kennedy and it was like a perfect exit off that helicopter and then he just kind of like I'm just laying on my back just filming him with my arms crossed just laying back on the air mattress and as soon as I saw he was going to go he recognized he was going to go over to he's like God damn it he's got a GoPro on he went to punch the air and yeah just doesn't work low air speed exits are tough you just got to relax all right Andy stump cleared hot podcast we doing you're doing a special um edition of cleared hot or is it a different kind of I'm just uh when issues come up that I want to take a few minutes to talk about I think I'll probably keep it under that Banner for a while I don't know what the necessarily the name is going to be but I enjoy doing it I I enjoy the thought process of seeing something thinking my way through it and really at the end of the day I I love that Sebastian younger quote you know just don't tell people what to think about tell them I'm sorry don't tell people what to think tell them what to think about and it's just here's some other food for thought that's not based in a left or a right or religious or not because I don't really care what people beliefs are in that matter you know like live your life however you want to live and here's maybe an opposing opinion that's not based in trying to manipulate your behavior yeah looking forward to that in 2024 focal point check it out I'll link it down below as well also all of Andy stuff if you're here in Andy for the first time I appreciate you thank you yeah yeah thanks [Music] guys

Channel: Mike Force Podcast

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Length: 76min 26sec (4586 seconds)

Published: Mon Dec 18 2023