An Interview with Legendary Jazz Musician Philly Joe Jones

I want to start off maybe discussing how you arrived at becoming a drummer just to set that up understand that music was a big part of your home life and that the piano was there you talk a little bit about that musical environment and how you developed early as a musician but my family is my grandmother was the pianist and she had seven daughters my mother was one of her daughters and she made all of her daughter's play the piano because she's a penis so in turn all of my aunts made their children I have I have cousins it I have one in me or the teachers made his debut in the Carnegie is the teaching piano in New York now often and his sisters brothers they all know how to play the piano classics my immediate family I was the only one in my family that had leaned towards music my brothers and sisters revolved and my mother didn't press them like my aunts pressed their children but she used to press me and I didn't really want to play the piano because I'd heard so much of it with my because I stayed with my aunt and my cousins a long time and I've learned a lot about the piano but my mind has always been towards the drums I don't know what it is it's just I've never let a drum that I love I think it suspended me when I was in school for a day when I'm using pencils on the desk call me in the back of the road Jones but I'm just something about drums that fascinated me and my mother and my mother started early age so she didn't really forced me into the piano because she wanted me to do what I felt I wanted to do so I just didn't I've stayed with the drum as much as I could doing my young years as I grew up and then we did going to nightclubs and hang around back Wyndham listen to find drummers in Philadelphia and when I finally asked one of them to help them go through Harrison young drummer in Philly was the greatest drummer in Philadelphia time and he took me under his wing and showed me how things and didn't I started developing so you didn't take drum lessons per se and you know yeah I studied later right I've been playing five years professionally before I started to study drums so so how did you when you were you know we kind of leaked a lot of time but as a young man and you were going around the clubs you were at 14 15 17 18 world enormous I was in between 13 and 13 and 15 because I'm in the army - did you have a set of drums at that point no we're so just an ear thing well I plan on anything uh-huh I don't have any drums at that time no so did you start playing music before the army after the army when did you start work him into music after I was discharged that was just devastating in the Army I used to get a chance to go over to the rec hall and play with the students something to rehearsal sitting with the but the company band was when they were playing they were jamming in those days and I was just coming along but I still go in and sit down and play something with them as best I could play but that that wasn't my job I couldn't be in the band as an ordinary policeman so I just over then when I had a chance to get away she wouldn't obvious 16 yeah 70 why did you do this I'm not putting my age up dc-7 gonna freakin get it why'd you do that I'm gonna came out of school I just didn't say anything I wanted to do I thought maybe being my father see my stepfather was a was a career army man and he was a veterinarian veterinarian in the army and he taught me all kind of everything the rifle manual everything you're a lot of Marth anything so you want me to hurry up and get a read email and I maybe want to get rid of us so we've had three sons uh-huh my stepfather was so we all went I join you on me and my brothers join and he went away but I still knew in my mind but I couldn't go in for the band it was that wasn't that qualified but but so before you went into the army made a decision there were drummers that were teaching you things examines I was listening to I wasn't listening to and it's shown me a few pointers at that age a few pointers I didn't really get with the they really get into deep with him until I came home uh-huh gives it him and I came home I was I was just 21 and took me a little while to get to them and get some better lessons from them and I'm an older person and I got it all together pretty good and went to work in Philadelphia who were some women when you came out of the army who was some of the drummer's that you began to interact with and get some other service knowing Bissinger heart and that's all that nice to come to Brooklyn and just come to Brooklyn as I was driving the streetcar as well as I'll feel when I got a services I was married I had to have a job so I'm driving a streetcar and I used to go on County Dennis Nancy Wilson's ex-husband is the drummer also he and I used to be Philadelphia on the weekend and go over in the Monroe Street in Brooklyn the Masters house and spend the weekend spent two days there we go this Saturday the beat us and then leave something it meant I was gonna back to work and we'd hang out with Max Roach and we would sit up in this room and and he would take us through different books and we would do just tough ideas about drums and he was so helpful to me max was very helpful in those days he max was out there playing here's one of my idols at that time and they were good friends and he's come to Philly off to him and so I got him to say man I'm gonna come over your house on the weekend so he did that for quite a few weekend I learned an awful lot message to tell me some good books to get into then I finally found them what pair of time was this what in the 40s mmm-hmm was it was this one Mac said that the house was curved like a studio type live as long as there's not someone his mother my wretched this is before his children that's not your business we'd like to the babies babies so he was home with mom and my my stream 200 time my dad maybe my fastest eyes went over there to help us you know being carrying if you can he was a good friend of his awesome so and then Kenny Clark was in New York you know how did a lot of beautiful people to meet but Kenny Clark a bigger floors he's thinking about using drones on nice so you think you think of there's a hierarchy that Kenny crock is at the apex of it well I think in Kenny was Kenny was the the office trader of the way we played the drums today again he was the first German that started breaking ribs and playing the way that we play when we play with a group huh with all the drums just to play different then you've never had that many drums or the junk just these owners guy that fifteen but then let's eat candy came along with baby doesn't said Catlett Kenny was black tim is playing with Fats Waller who's in those days mm-hmm so they won't leave my Indian Tom diamond one sibling bass drum and snare drum didn't there all had her stuffer those are great drummers and I came through jested I'm glad that God let me pass this way that at that time I ran into baby Dodds and said cat little and those brilliant dancer has been the greatest breasts players I've ever seen in my life I mean Angeles what was just for anecdotes say what was baby dies and what was he like no he was just - what can I say he was just a natural drummer and a natural person is very beautiful person happy-go-lucky I never had heard him say anything funny man I said going to ask him all Heine question as he worked across the street when i was writing in 52nd Street in New York after I went to you know to live I could stay out of this I go there every minute I get a chance I get a break out because the street with him because he would be using the bass drums and then one simple and then dum-dum it's swinging you know it was phenomenal what about said Catholic well Hebrews is more phenomenal he was making extension I'll do a baby maybe they might have been over than said I don't know there are ages but they were right at the same time but Sid was more of see that a little more fire baby it was very tactical placement you know he said master of playing the snare drums in the symbol the Sid was the master playing the brushes in you know because dizzy had said for a while doing making some register that's it wasn't fast and hands are beautiful it was a little different uh-huh and then his little more polished I say baby more polished and then and then Kenny comes out of them mark Kenny was around during that same time but Kenny had a different direction in my mmm-hmm this direction was it's fantastic sitting babies - love to watch it did you get Chetan did you spend a lot of time with Kennecott Oh uh-huh in New York and during that time it would it did share a lot with him every day be good every day we can we play on the practice bass we've had this madness snare drum Kenny said man is just she carved the one-eyed monster he didn't like Pat dispatched too much that's why I never use them and you get too much help from spent time with the snare drum instead I'm on a barstool have a bar stool on my arms tonight years uh-huh a vinyl top on it uh-huh here's that rather than better than in practice because when you use the stick this thing just drops don't bounce if it bounces you made it bounce okay drop it on a rubber band so you get more you'd get more whatever the stick does you have to make it to do right right everyone you have to make it do that if you drop it on the bus through there you'll say all right if you drop it on the pad he'll do it was the Rubbermaid not right but as I never approved using practice pads in my Dave during mine when I practice I bet another surface like this just like this you can get no help from their stingers and drop dead immediately so you can roll on this you can really roll not necessarily I'm still still after that that's a hard thing to master or they roll the best people I know that master trolls are much jumpers did you have marching experience Oh telling Google forum I had a lot of the butcher and cut time much time in that study and I studied with it my formal teacher was master percussionist and Josie Cole's one of the greatest teachers in life me except you talk yeah I started with toes about three and a half years uh-huh when was that period and you've done the fours and I moved to New York uh-huh worried about 2223 dead mm-hmm and what kind of what kind of exercise would you what would cones will be a typical won't be a cause of cold lesson for you what would you looks go through his book the other is boosting they tell you about your hands and how to use them how to develop them as best you can sir and get some speed power and because I exercises a lot of exercises there exercises and there are exercises uh-huh see some of the drum was the average jump of I love that because I teach so often when I'm home and I've had a good school in him and I've taught a lot of drummers and a lot of my whole car was one of my students and the whole lot of drummers Andrew Sorel is one of my formal students not he did wasn't there long time but it was there but I go down the line with an awful lot of drums not playing professionally today and that develops but as its you know to get to get a good knowledge of the instrument and your reading ability he wrote a mental ability that's what I went to college for for rudiments because I was playing them but I didn't know what they were right if he asked me about a C or D or even the pen I knew that from then at home all the time when I said get but if you put it on you write it out for drums I didn't know what it would look like so he comes you tell me what it looks like and what you're playing that's what it is right something he made me develop those rudiments and you get the rudiments in your hands then you can do what you want to do you know everybody have your bag of tricks that's what I thought yeah well we've talked about brushes we've talked about rolls we talked about things that cozy cold you know the kind of train that you had from him whether would you be interested in showing us some of these things I don't do a lose they have a breast book out it's called brushed artistry uh-huh and send me stories excuse me I'm gonna just do a few things out of the book with your emotions that are in that book and then I wanna and then I want to just play around the set root of mentally or whatever comes into my mind just just to just to just to play the drums for a while and then I want to do a thing I call cymbal ectomy okay it's like to dance on the cymbals it's nothing but all symbols and what you can do with symbols just to my dears there okay and it's a decide something and all this is coming off the top of my head now I don't have anything planned cuz I never plan so if you planned sometimes plans go awry some things I like to just look at the drums and go play I'll go play on it as you go plan no see I'm not I didn't often hear people say I was telling the kid yesterday at his concert his father brought him to meet me in the little youngster he was talking he loves jumps that's what he wants to do so he was saying about ask me about my snare drummer saying but if I beat you this way I said wait a minute if you want to get this in your head at first and you never beat the drums don't ever let anybody that anybody says you beat the drums you tell them I play the drums don't say you don't beat the drums play them jump beat is don't understand it so be it you play an instrument is to be played not be nothing nice to be beat it'll get bad yeah that's true that's a that's right I just take it as really as a difference okay can we cut and go do that [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Applause] the last segment of the drum solo you just played after the cymbal portion seemed to flow out of a creative use to rudiments is this the you know part of what you got out of the cozy cone experience that real the real strong foundation rudiments allows you to branch off like that yeah these ideas of how you should be a brutal metal drummer and helping developing your hands without being developing your mind to don't you know all the rudiments like I said earlier it's like a bag of tricks that you can reach into when you need something that I want to say and use the rudiment to say it there's a lot easier than just your most drummers that don't know anything my rudiments have a hard time saying what they want to say this is conversation okay most of these great drummers that know rudimental drummers you know all the great ones I know we went through rudiments and don't mean that you have to sound like a Boy Scout when you plant but it's nice to have the knowledge of them and we can make them sound they can do anything I want to do it I just felt like working out just my hands from that way well you said earlier today for you there is really it's early in the day for me to be playing by myself so usually in the early in the day when I'm using have to I have to play early something some afternoons in fact we played it live and I play the gigging and zuri 11 5 in the morning when the game started but when you when you're playing with other fellows it comes if you come around sooner because of the other instruments but when you plant by yourself this reminds me of them what I used to do when I was when I was first started to play drums I just get up in the morning and I just I did for about an hour and then we would go and come back later and do some more but I didn't I don't do this at all man yeah when you were when you're first developing as a drumming that real intense period how much time were you putting in on the instrument oh I would never guy said hey that's six seven hours a day I've never done it in my life I practice taking an hour at a time an hour and I'd go away and leader jumps alone for half an hour I come back and do another hour that's what I'm doing for the day uh-huh that's all then I come back sometimes some days they were just practice one thing that I did I'm tried to get together something I can't do uh-huh I practice that for maybe 45 minutes and leave it alone and go do something else get it out of the year and then come back again and do another 45 minutes that's my packets for today my practice would be not just all around the drums like that was just doing I would get on one thing and develop that and putting it up and get something else since I clean that up get another one clean it up and you get them all together they're all cleaned up you can put them together but you stand up there praying all kinds of different things and trying to develop that way it's hard to keep your mind on everything you want to do you've got to concentrate on one thing that you're not doing correctly get that done use something else that day you pick two things a day but not you know that's six hours of I don't know what you get playing six hours when the drumming is sitting down Zamani practice for six hour a four hours I hate understand me not even to straight yeah sit down place for two hours ago made sense to me I was spending the time reading and trying to read some books or something drum books or something for that an hour or something get into that and leave it alone well that's all related in a way so part of development some teachers are teaching different ways but all the young Germans are trying to play the drums they did it involved in it and they feel like they want to play that long they think because they're soaking wet they've done something not necessarily under didn't do anything well switch gears a little bit a little bit early we were talking about your early that middle 40s period can you give me talk about the scene in Philadelphia at that point who are some of the prominent musicians that you were working with it's easy to decision to talk about them the only thing that ice skates me is actual dates because I said growing up for me right in there and and just having been released from the Army but not in morning to do something else in and getting married and whatnot then being that young and working hard every day I'm going to go in another direction because I didn't like hard work yeah it's the hardest work I like to do and I wanted to get away from that but I had to still work to support my family but they I said go to the clubs and just listen and sit in I wasn't that was still growing I remember Jimmy he'd had a big ban in the city verifying from a special right Willie Armstrong Nasir Dean after he changed his name ever great drummers but Kosovo Harris like I said it taught me most of my you know most of my formal training as a youngster and an old man that used to being knocked up across the street from where I live I stood watch him through the window and there on the days of his rehearsals in the afternoon I could go in he was there because in the back room that he showed me a lot of things and I learned from different drummers and I was I was yeah I'm at asked who did another to Hummel Asif jumping I do that today my senior I'm drumming doing something done I wonder what it is I just ask people to write it down and I got it I know what it is here's a turnaround my way or whatever but I met a lot of musicians coming up in Philadelphia Jimmy our son and stuff for me to talk about her son he's a figure I already know of one record that he did the pianist well during what period was he active and Emmas active when they were in when I was in school mm-hmm we used to call him count nine free cuz he's like young busy in those days his name was William Lanford uh-huh and it became Hassan even Ali uh-huh he at least accepted Islam II played is playing more fluently in school he was playing Count Basie's things it wasn't alive then he went into a different another he went through another door of the piano and it was playing beautiful piano in those days that later on the concept that music went into that but Hassan was doing that years ago I mean a more dissonant angular approach yes please knowing they're almost avantgarde but correct see y'all know my hope was his was his biggest influence uh-huh when Alma was Elmo and mockingbirds and loved Elmo so much man humming what Elmo was the real genius of the piano genius and MUC loved them and but you see Brett double drop silly too and even though he's from New York expelled out of town of Philadelphia person to another person Philadelphia white person for everything from Walkerville uh-huh that's originally uh-huh but Richard but Elmo Elmo's best didn't he get in New York uh-huh but really after I'd finally moved to New York cause I and when I left Philadelphia I left the world often with them with Elmo is Elmo hoping Joe Mars and Johnny Griffin and rhythm and brews man I was born was Jackson's man no it was this wisdom Johnny Griffin and Jojo Morris and Johnny Griffin John Marsden Matthew G present Heath in I bet jumps all my hope was the was the pianist piece rhythm and blues band we had about five or six hits on the jukebox at once oh yeah what was someone defeat what were these hips remember what they were oh yeah we played them Wow I played the spider I'm on always Atlantic Midas time it goes all the way back there and we made a lot of things when he had routed and Joey's just singing he's - singing him a few tunes didn't run on record that's what the real days see they have just the left line that was bad they were in my head was bear it nice to go out and then every line hit when coming to town and Kami's always say to me come on my place on man come on preys on and he play all that stuff I was getting stronger than I had played with it mm-hmm I always had an active flavor that but they were a grouping and with a big band even though I wasn't wasn't reading big band music but I kind of lived just being able to play with them whatever way I thought long as you could swing everything was cool but Joe and Johnny decided to leave their span and form their own bed so they they did so on they had a drummer from Chicago who got sick and he couldn't leave the city and they came to Philadelphia that's when I join their band and them and these as opposed to love him I started with him one night so they gave me the job and that never born stung I went on the road with them and that was forgive me of my road to read with them that's from Miami to me from New York to California Los Angeles everywhere Brazilian on the road yeah driving I was doing the driving and playing the drums but you say that Elmo was was in Florence on monk and but not vice versa mm-hmm they're in diamonds they influence each other yeah but Elmo had the heaviest you know see then I really loved each other I said go to the house of my salvia and play the piano one by one he would start a tune and play as much of it as Ivana doing and then it would come right in wherever he leave off st. Nicholas and I said sit there for hours during the day watch them do that because we were all friends man I wish to God I had had a tape-recording those day but I wasn't that fabulous that was new it's a shame they were there using wire recorders in those days tapes but he's had a cat set in those days man I would be oh my god it means another musician that in Philadelphia is that uh it's whose name comes up in reference plus kinda obscures cow Massey yeah we got was around in those days dude sure cow was a very excellent musician he split chocolate with us all the time when we lost even we were doing up and I was going around the city sitting here we used to have sessions everybody's house next week it bit my house this me everybody had a piano in the house Johnny Cole's bit your house next weekend video to lock the door would start opening it comes cold raining him to me he's and two or three other drummers I'm a Dean in saxophone players and trumpet players and we were just so we just have a couple sets everybody plays something you know he put the quintet together and play not covered playing a child let another trumpet player playing but it was a learning process everybody was married before drummers did I play some with these guys and then stopping another drummer play sometime we wouldn't even stop the losing come right on in but you know that that kind of situation that's how the music was was was passed down in that time that doesn't exist much in only just today because you've got you got so many egotistical musicians before they even get to know their instrument just didn't get such a big head and if they learn how to play cheery notes and then having God open the door for those who can't play and just made a lot of noise and get away with it and Counting a bag around when I'm and didn't really study them on they were on the bandstand a few years ago making all that noise just he could get away with it but it turned around and he can't get away we didn't have to go and study some more but then you see musicians are very funny some users and that is why all the Deaf musicians because they were it wouldn't be that funny they don't want to he won't did they wanted help nobody with what they're doing defending me they may go past faster than they do you got to keep organized to themselves which is it's a shame that it has to be that way but dude there's so many other musicians man like myself better home anything I could help a drummer with that would try and you know whatever you ask me and nothing about saying oh I don't want to talk about it nothing that's ridiculous but uses to do that don't want to discuss there's them at all and don't have any sessions where you can come and play and when you're playing in club if somebody can playing a little bit and come they come to see and would like to play something you know I think that's ridiculous give everybody a little shot somewhere if it's possible some clubs you can't do that but then sometimes you you can set aside a session and jam session time was during that time was Philadelphia really different in other cities in that and that kind of that's so many clubs in Philly which it is today we had a lot of thoughts uh-huh this isn't didn't play and many many clubs and fool of them and in Philadelphia you don't hear you know she's always been that way as long as I know it man and every club I going to love him and they drive their planet place a lot of progressive black music this is a good bebop earnings and good contemporary music uses that people getting hung busy that people can dance by visiting people are gonna listen to shut the music that's pleasing to the air and then you have the other loud electronics and some clubs but the majority of the people of Philadelphia don't cater to that the only people care to do the young ignorant children that they haven't heard and he needs to get all and all they want to do is hear some blaring put earphones on their drums in my night they don't they don't teach it in schools did you important musical relationship be like was the one with tadd Dameron did you meet him in Philadelphia how did that how did the same way I was little nothing I'd like you didn't didn't get to a job and I am they asked me to make because I was right there next to him and the guys in there had been hearing about me in Philadelphia and every time they come in they knew follow me to tell me as a man you should be living in New York man so yeah when I feel like I'm ready I'm sure my work with dad's been there with Dexter and Freddy Webster and when that and dad and I became good friends and I didn't see him again until later on in New York after I find it moved to me uh when I saw him again but in and out of town but then we became great friends in New York every when I went out with him at boomers I said he was a band director and all the time every time he wanted to do records or anything he just made it sure that I would be the drummer did you actually work on lots of pieces of music with him and did did you and he developed pieces so I always did a lot of collaboration on a lot of terms because when when I went to live with him I'm wearing constantly all the time and you called me in to Jenna how do you like this gentleman I say yeah man I never get to a spot where it said I know what I should put it in there got any suggestions big thing like that would you mind at this point I don't think people know that a lot of people don't know that you that you do play some piano a little bit of a little bit it's just something that I love and I've been studying and now more so than ever trying to develop see me I'd like to use it for writing I get dad used to show me how to make a chord and what horn to give a note if he would want to avoid I've written a few things for the man but that is didn't you have to play fluently to play I'd include some some compositions or composition and things like that but to really play with the group on abandon and do all the heavy solo but you have to work with it like you would with any other instrument I don't have the time to do that I think I have the time to do with then if someone is learning how to play some pretty gorgeous best again and some melodies or whatever at least the knowledge the feeling I have but yeah would you mind sitting at the piano for us no I was yeah I play encounters and I remember from my wife I just wrote it and I just I call it easy her name is Eloise and I call it breezy and Emma's going to it's an impromptu thing goes into the little tablets in and out of jumble I think it's that's better but when I do it for the band when I write it out for the plan it'll have to be in a slow tempo okay more little a little more than the ballot okay what cut now look what kind of time we got [Music] important years as an arranger your feelings about that wide Amarone and dinner you know ask you about my house kind of thing and then we have time but you know he might doing this thing about their own track of the trip or you say that was a little bit more than a ballad you'd like to slow it down you know to ballast to the ballot type tempo put it in a little semi-sweet three movements or something when it's finally when I find is decided to do it up and they put it in different moods three moves ten it's just you know going back to Ted Ammon for a minute what is your feeling about is important you know we hear the names you know toddy Parker and Dizzy Gillespie no Max Roach Kenny clock in terms of the you know the bebop the higher I could be Bob it was very important sitting that more what do you think tad fits in there especially with another composers arrangers it was the forerunner of all of bebop my dad is the originator of writing almost all those hip turns that he did refer Dizzy's band the squirrel hothouse and Oh dad's got so many stay on it right God if he could see me now out in lights like dad was writing all those things and all of the musicians and my time grew up on we grew up on his music grew up on his figures he's to see in other words he would write the tune with the chords and the melody take a tune like Charlie Potter would do with pick a tune like out of nowhere and write a bit about figured to it sad would be writing things like that and he was saturating the market with it because it just came off the top of his heads and it was certainly beautiful the tunes that he composed and all the musicians if you didn't know those Tunes man he would be obviously you can you can you could go away and play but if that was able to be playing and we call a tune and play the play to be my fingers on which became them it records a lot of those things well the tab was a heavy influence on all the writers and Quincy magnitude heat em up under listening the time all the great writers are dead you very rarely find a writer all right in the camera and and you don't him touch on test voicings on the way he used to put a band together that's why he makes me sad can make you nine pieces sound like Tony and waiting with the way would put it on the artistry you know he's done a lot of there's some funny things daddies and that was a genius genius he's loved to play with us to some time there's a good copy get caught good he needs to play funny songs and so just be very tricky is funny but he's to play all the fellows loved him to be their common because he give me the right lady carpet down to play oh yeah that was the greatest composer but I've ever heard an orchestra I don't hear a lot of great composers today and coming up during his time but they couldn't touch them as far as I'm concerned he could never get the recognition that he's supposed to have gotten for his contribution he contributed more to this farm music than anybody I know any composer out there it's not one out that contributed that much to business hmm you saying that we respect Ellington month well the Dukes music wasn't the kind of contribution could never be surpassed but his music was different than Tasman Sea Doo loved what tad came up with Duke came home before seat as an extension from Duke Ellington only he's changed his like when Josie was in cat galleries Ben tell Kelly we fired him because he was playing him a strumpet he thought he was playing nothing cat thought he was playing nothing but dizzy was playing a new constructive way of playing horn guys were playing the trumpet rest darling needs to think that when Leo Sun would hit the seat bug the staff that was I see I see missing was cheese who used to work up to that let's see if everybody know he's a published daddy go three straight hoppers about that type of dress today hit him on the head geez and ease no he never played with Jesus and he's in his day we're due for what is that Edison the Whistler and Dukes bit came later everything changes the horns start changing all the old-timers didn't like be buckles he couldn't play nice nothing that's not that's never been nice man it's going to the places will you dare they dare not go is they all no man you can't play that flatted fifth would hit me game play a flat excited that's a pretty good you know the fabula so you do something with the court out of the ordinary 135 or whatever that is that they do that they were doing with the cause and then church goes and if you dress it up that you're wrong but that's not you know the day all the cars are just a beautiful you do you put in you you'll be right you ready dissonance today you know you deliberately put you deliberately put two notes together like I see the dealer card you deliberately do that Grisi no you don't do that you can't put those two together what you do listen to it don't know what you have in the root and what you put on the top you've got those two notes in the middle they sound beautiful it's dissing this village for the air who didn't listen what the greatest living you did the great symphonic composes they that a lot of don't sit they wouldn't do they heard something really there today they probably commit suicide and I mean of them what David David what they would consider wrong yeah yeah you know I doubt you know I've been sigh often I've said this on different interviews I needed Bateson when the mozart far as misses them inherit Art Tatum and I think they might have committed suicide if they'd hurt a penis like our Tatum I think they might have eaten the marble that Emma decided to jump off the bridge or something loose into my plane appear like that and playing it with so much cleanliness and so much accuracy and so much speed it was so much knowledge of music but she mentioned Art Tatum today to our children and only thing about our data base that ever played it to me into many many millions of people are dangerous issue Dulli telling nice to professor Peterson tell you about our tale they knew him I lied and I've worked with him I knew every night but you overthought Tatum unbelievable hmm when did you work with that Lester trio every night in the open house bringing in Birdman fifties sure I said Berlin and getting the cabin - uptown to my after game nobody but art and Ben that's all that's snare drum bass drum and one symbol and breasts no sticks I've dropped Saint Nicholas every night imagine what that is with the genius - Jesus been alerted to Jesus I came in Washington but then yeah - three years straight when we worked together I went with that where'd you work here with him with pleasure my Jed Benghazi we worked around the horn couple clubs there before did Olivia Davison stop it I've never done many many times mouse - I'm glad you did that because I it would be I would probably be assassinated by someone if we went through this interview and we didn't talk about you nation with Miles Davis my relationship with Miles is such a I mean he could go volumes on that but that's the you know and I would take me ten years on my images it never who could never had never ends and well let's talk about her relationship is still cool you know let's talk about it for about five minutes well you know I Mazda's you know what I really looks is a very strange person in my state strange person as far as it's strange when people talk about him you know but me I know he's gonna be reason in the house it ain't just laughing he knows I'm you know but people usually say things about him and they don't really know hearsay it's hearsay and they shouldn't shouldn't say yeah you know I shouldn't say anything like that know what I'm missing like we were talking before about how the band got together how old would have been on your IV I knew miles when I met Tara her mouth before mm-hmm coming in town we got together in Philadelphia and the club we get together and loving the club and he was doing a single and I was tied to house trio he can't admit it and worked a couple weeks and fell in love with me I fell in love with him I said we should be playing together something I wanted to play with him any labor and he came back again so we can finally say man won't you come on and go out with me for a while and play something just a duo just E and I know I'd get in different towns and try to get a pair of their bass player and finally get a sizeable man but he did it for Ted for a long time we were working here for two and he used to talk about besides bone player the correct you were talking about from an event woman abandoned and ray-ray Bryant my way Brian at Roberta's was the first penis and forget the basis as well as I know I'm hot it seems that anyway Bowser's thought the raid was a little bit too much he had more Church in him that he had but pilot who's read grew up in the church which it ransom fine business excellent penis but his comp feeling whatnot was more and the gospel thing and it was just a play for church all the time and he's keeping her all wound up you know it's the financing in church so mom said he wants something different so I said when she made this but here he plays my stuff and he got ready to come in and we still had to pay put it there and got John Coltrane to come in with us so the first night we started playing this time now he'd be getting something mouths love training love ribs he was happy mm-hmm so he said he had a basement in New York which was the poor had no Paul I had never met all but miles and so he said for him and that started as soon as we played the first night miles without Boyd your phone's Ross that's when he knew the personnel he wanted that was it he didn't know a person anyway he just knew daddy he knew he wanted Paul but he knew he didn't want what he was playing with yeah somebody believes I didn't know anything about train train had been with this and then I'll do it Eddie came in Vincent Hitler changed and I were a whole lot of people bosses had heard him but he never knew that that the saxophone metaphor would be tainted I'm doing him they want you and I think you and it would be you know for that marriage they look for the marriage between horns it's a marriage he was lucky you got a match between horizontal obsession it's a musical telepathy that's one of the greatest things you can happen five men can play together and don't have to lazy me too so come on man let's play tonight playing like that tomorrow always just say that I said what yeah remember what you play you remember the tempo you to jump up and that's nightly just greatest they play the beginning like we did in anything might be dead but inside never know wasn't happening every night it's different uh-huh but that made it so beautiful man I made the music so beautiful because everything spontaneous inside we know how we're gonna leave and we know how we're gonna start and we're not fastly gonna go how slowly so you can get as pretty as you want to get the inside do what you want doing whatever you feel like when it comes to you you got it nice music miss you yeah I learned so much I learned an awful lot there and that ban oh sure certainly meant everybody to ever had something to say but and then something to save suggestions you never have nobody getting drugged with what you playing a lot of fun fun fun happiness you know I wish I could get that beginning this life before Iligan that complete feeling good everybody on the best then I almost get it with in my own group I get anyway everybody my group is cool need Amarone oh yeah I get I almost get there I almost get that feeling but it's hard to get the telepathy with eight other people because you know unless you plan together every night we got the week after we yeah I haven't gotten that much exposure although we've been together over three years and this the promoters and whatnot just seems to lean towards other groups and tell me that I can't afford it and all that but I still hate affording 19 piece bands MVPs bands and take it ball festivals and when I but when they come to a small nineties band and it makes me feel it's doing and then they didn't want to try to keep dad's music hidden see that the music that I've been playing with that we've got about 12 15 more letters every haven't even played yeah we've done to numb and to grammy-nominated albums and I've been saving the meeting and meeting all the way down the line again we've got Rickon doing two more albums man of jazz music dad inattentive he's no ender man he wrote so much got so much man there's so many more so many more compositions that even he had that he was doing before you at the time he died which I haven't even touched on yet this wife hasn't just did for me season in London said you in there all this is yours he wouldn't want you to have it that's who I have permission to use this name and one down their own Ian but not and she and I because we were friends when he was alive we were we were with him on several times I was with him on two of his out attacks yeah its third I was in Japan and probably I was so sick I thought maybe maybe I might have been with him on that third but I was very much - oh and I knew where he kept his nursery bills and get on it you know him give it give it done without I know was that because you know he'd be chopped liver see him going does annoys that my honored that I don't know how to do it I don't know what to do for the chest everything can get him to the hospital yeah one in miles house wondering the house we lived in one in miles a thousand then they miss him when he had I was in Japan and March of 65 when it happened but I like keeping them alive as long as I can keep them keeping them alive into people's ears well you put some of it into people's ears this weekend and when you performed the damn rowing a concert at the capital city jazz I'd like to come back again sometime and and really have some more of the beautiful things that he's composed and arranged and let the people hear some more because he has some spectacular music 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Published: Thu Nov 09 2017