Amazing Things Kids Have Said About Past Lives That Even Skeptics Can't Explain

[Music] my name is Jan horizont I'm the executive director for MUFON we are a scientific research organization that basically collects sighting reports from the public and then goes investigates them our mission statement as an organization is the scientific study of UFOs for the benefit of humanity and we have three primary goals we investigate UFO reports we promote research into the UFO subject and we educate the public on our findings [Music] so tonight I'm gonna be talking about children's past like memories as I talk today listen for these three things as I tell the stories of these children's memories because I think this is particularly fascinating because of the purity of these memories coming from very young children they're very credible stories that offer very convincing evidence for the continuation of a personal consciousness after death many of you have probably read some of the accounts of near-death experiences which are pretty amazing but this is taking it a step further because these are children who remember having lived before they usually remember their deaths and they remember their previous lives also as you listen to these stories hopefully it will expand your idea of the origins of personality as one of my mentors and Stevenson said there are three streams that feed into personality nature nurture and reincarnation so as you listen to these stories keep that in mind and hopefully you'll walk away feeling different about children and about reincarnation and my work in this field it's a very small field world what I have to say there probably a dozen people doing this kind of research in the world taking it seriously and my research diverges from theirs and that I'm not really trying to verify every case of a child's past life memory because of what I'm going to tell you I saw the potential for healing the soul through these memories children bring up these memories because quite often they need to heal trauma from the past so how did I get into this well I was minding my own business and as a mother in Asheville North Carolina and we were living in the 80s and on the 4th of July 1988 we had a picnic at our house and we had a lot of kids there with their parents and we took my son my five-year-old son chase to the fireworks display and as soon as the big booming sounds began he became absolutely terrified and it was odd because we had taken him to other 4th of July celebrations before but on this particular evening he became absolutely hysterical so much so that I had to take him home and he really wouldn't calm down he was crying and and I remember rocking him in the rocking chair he was that big at the time and I couldn't figure out what had happened immediately I was trying to figure out if he had been exposed to any loud sounds like that before and as far as I knew since I was a stay-at-home mother he hadn't but I figured well he probably had too much sugar was just hyped up from the all the kids at the house so I kind of wrote it off as any mother would but then a few weeks later we went to an indoor swimming pool in Asheville the first time we had been there and it soon as we walked into the building people were diving on the diving board making this big reverberating noise next from the walls and again this big booming sound made chase hysterical and he pulled me out of the building and I said what's wrong and he said I'm scared of those noises and that was it he finally calmed down but I thought well this is really curious and I didn't really know what to do about it so his fate would have it and I believe everybody's journey is orchestrated and mine certainly was a hypnotherapist from Florida was visiting me in Asheville because a year earlier I had done a past life regression with him his name is Norman Inge because I had chronic lung problems and that in that 1/2 hour session my lung problems were cured after I remember dying of consumption in the 19th century and remembering a very emotional death of dying in the gas chambers of World War 2 where the last thing I was aware of was inhaling the gas and I had a major catharsis during a two-hour session and to my utter surprise my lungs cleared up so Norman was visiting because my medical doctor was so amazed by my recovery that he wanted to do a regression as I had done a year earlier and so did about 10 of my friends so Norman was staying with me and chase was about to start school and I asked Norman since he was a hypnotherapist and he could give chase some kind of post hypnotic suggestion so when he went to school and if he were had were exposed to these loud sounds he wouldn't become hysterical up until that moment I had absolutely no idea that a child could have a past life memory so Norman who is a very wise man said to chase who again was this big you know looking at me he was half my size he said sit on your mom's lap close your eyes and tell me what you see when you hear the loud sounds that frighten you and immediately I could see his eyelids fluttering as if he were getting some visuals and he said I'm crouching behind a rock I'm a soldier I have a gun a long gun where the sword at the end there's smoke everywhere I don't even know who I'm shooting at I don't want to be here so I was scanning you know what Sesame Street episode could this be what mr. Rogers the kids we actually had a bumper sticker on our television Robert might remember kill your television I mean the only TV the kids watched was PBS and at that point this is 1988 we didn't really have you know maybe they saw a few Disney movies so as he was saying this I'm going you know where is this coming from I had no idea so Norman just asked him open-ended questions well then what happens is oh I'm shot in the wrist and he held his right wrist and he said I blacked out Norman said then what happened and he said they'd take me to a hospital but it's not like a regular hospital it's just these poles in the ground with some covering on top and they put me on a bed but it's not like a regular bed is just a hard bench okay hey he described this bed which was really a hard bench and he said they bandaged my wrist and they tell me I have to go back to battle I don't want to be there I don't want to shoot other people and I miss my wife and family and I still get emotional talking about this all these years later because that was the moment when I had the goosebumps and I realized weren't completely new territory so wise Norman said to chase he detected that chase was felt very bad about having to be a soldier and kill other people he clearly he's clearly stated he didn't want to be there fighting and he Norman said in very simple language to a five-year-old we live many different lifetimes on earth it's like actors in a play we play these different roles and sometimes we have to be soldiers and sometimes we have to kill others in battle and sometimes we're killed but it's okay there's no blame and I didn't know whether might have a son would understand that as a five-year-old but I could feel his body relaxing on my lap so Norman procedure and he said well then what happens chase and he said well they make me go back to battle I don't want to go and he said I was walking down a dusty road and there were chickens on the road and I saw this wagon a big wagon with big wheels being pulled by horses and there's a cannon on it I didn't even know he knew what a cannon was and he said they make me go behind the cannon and then all of a sudden he opened his eyes and jumped off my lap grabbed a cookie went to play with his Legos and yeah I was pretty stunned to say the least and my daughter was sitting with us my nine-year-old Sarah she was nine at the time she's 38 now and she said mom that place were chased that he was shot in his wrist that's where his eczema is and I think in the excitement of the moment I missed it but since chase had been a baby he had a chronic and severe eczema on that spot on his wrist which he had clutched when they said he was shot in the wrist which they had bandaged I had tried homeopathy all kinds of allergy treatments SAVs aunt mint and that eczema just got worse and worse it would not go away in fact I had to bandage his wrist at night because he would scratch relentlessly and bloody the sheets so the upshot of this 10 or 15-minute recollection was that chases eczema cleared up within a couple of days and very soon thereafter he when he asked for his first drum kit aren't we lucky and he was making big booming sounds all the time he still does it almost 35 so we were moving from Asheville right after that so I kind of put all this on hold but I was totally obsessed with trying to figure out what had happened with Chase why his eczema went away why his phobia went away of the loud blooming sounds and we were moving we moved to media and shortly after we moved I was eating breakfast alone with chase one morning and he said mom remember when I was a soldier he hadn't brought it up in six months or so and we hadn't talked about it because we're so busy with the move I said yeah yeah and he said well we talked differently I said well what do you mean he said well actually I was black I was a black soldier and I said okay and he went back to spooning his cereal like something you know it's like a day-in-the-life right so I thought well that's kind of ironic because if you saw chase 'em he's this white white boy redhead in this life and I thought well you know we changed race we changed sex you know why not and didn't hear anything about it that was that and then about a year later chase went to second grade and it was right after that first Iraq invasion Desert Storm and they were putting up yellow ribbons all over his elementary school and he got in the car when I picked him up and he said he was very upset and I said chase what's going on he said mom they don't understand what war really is they're putting up all these yellow ribbons he said my memories are coming back so by this time I had started training and past life therapy with Roger Walker and some other people and when we got home I said chase lie down close your eyes and go back to that scene that you saw with Norman and he went back and almost verbatim word-for-word he recounted the story of being on the battlefield being shot on the wrist but this time since he was older and I had acquired more language he told me more about before the war before he went to war he said and this is his word seven-year-old I'm a free black man and he said I live in a town and it sounds like colosso and we never could trace where that was and he said I have a wife I have two children I'm a peaceful man I make pots and he said they put up posters in my town to get people to go to war and I couldn't read and I signed up and I didn't know what I was getting into you know this is from a seven-year in first-person perspective and that's significant to that was first-person perspective and he said and then he started talking about the battle again and he said this time he went beyond what he did the first time and he said they put me behind the cannon I have to pull this string I thought that's a weird detail I didn't know cannon has had strings and he said all of a sudden I'm floating above the battlefield looking down he said I died and he said I see smoke below they said it's a relief to be out of there and he said when you're and those are his words and I had never read any Raymond moody to him about near-death experiences or I had never talked to him about this he said when you're in spirit you can go back and see what happened to your family and I want to go back and then say goodbye to them and he said everyone has to experience a war it teaches you how other people feel it's a bad thing but everybody has to experience it and he said he was up he missed World War two and he wanted to come back to a happier time so that was really that pushed me even more deeply into doing research of children's memories finding out if other children had these memories too whether other parents experiences were but I have to add an epilogue to this story you know after publishing the first book second book going on television going an Oprah telling and chase chase and my daughter went on Oprah with me in 1994 to tell their stories along with some other parents and I said well his eczema disappeared and never came back but that's not quite accurate because after all this after it was published and I went to did all this television he came home when weakened from temple he was a temple student and he said mom my eczema is back my first reaction was on crap after I told everyone I was more upset about that and his eczema being back he started and I said well chase what's been going on in your life and he stood there thinking and he said I had to sign up for the draft for loans so even the thought of possibly serving in the military again brought up the body memory and after he said that and made that connection it's gone okay now fast forward from age 18 to 34 he hasn't had it since and hopefully he so around the age of seven after that he recalled all of that and had some it seemed he had some closure after saying goodbye to his wife and family he said mom I'm starting to forget what I experienced and I want to write it down so this is seven-year-old chases aerial view of the battlefield and his spelling is atrocious but in a new seven but it was it's very detailed he had the visual memory without the emotional memory at this point and it was really funny because Oprah used this on her show and she hired a Civil War historian to try to verify you know which battle he had been in and historian said that the kind of artillery chase described was very accurate to the time here's he he was shot in the wrist that's that was his description of the hospital just this tent with poles and he said there wasn't like leaves or material covering it and as as a result of the Oprah Show a civil war historian sent me some photos which kind of corroborated what chase said these are just pins however these were filled hospitals you see the polls with a material and chase described the wagon with being led by the horse and they saw the Civil War historian I don't know if you can even read that but that's he described the cannon and actually these were called mortars and this is what they looked like if you can see the horse in the front pulling the big wheeled wagon with the mortars and I think this is a really interesting photo of a black Civil War soldier standing next to his kin and I thought wouldn't it be really interesting if that was chased stranger things have happened in my household so I started doing my research this was pre-internet days and I was just I was relying on talking to parents in my community especially Asheville there were some like-minded parents who wouldn't be freaked out if I asked them if the kids had any past life memories and I started seeing patterns in these memories and one of the obvious things that I was seeing was that children were very young when they start talking about these memories and chase was actually on the older side at 5:00 usually these memories tend to fade around 5:00 to 7:00 and when children young children talk about these memories some of them are still in diapers mind you they're that young they're their tone of voice is very matter-of-fact if you have small children are familiar with small children when they have when they talk about a fantasy it's usually with a kind of lilting tone of voice you know like the prince and the king and the with the children's memories as they begin to talk about them sometimes as soon as they can talk they will tell you very matter-of-factly and directly in a very serious tongue they'll say something like when I was big before I was a soldier or when I was big before I had a farm and the farm burned down and my family and I were killed this is coming from a two or three year old so it's they're very direct it's very matter-of-fact they have a different tone of voice sometimes they use words outside of their normal vocabulary quite often they'll talk about things that are totally outside the range of experience too and sometimes it's just one statement and I have this great little case that I want to share with you and this just some of these cases are just a single remark you know a kid will say well when I was big I died when I fell off the boat they might have a phobia relating to water or not but they'll just make one statement and not repeat it I got this very cute little email from a woman in England who told me about her daughter Elizabeth though at two-and-a-half and this is the first time I've told this story publicly some cheating a little bit they were in the garden and they were weeding the garden and the little girl asked Elizabeth asked her mother what is this flower and the mother said four daisies and she said oh just like me I'm Daisy pickles so her mother talked well that's kind of weird yeah but from that point on from two-and-a-half on until the age of five she insisted that everybody call her Daisy pickles and she also developed this very unusual behavior they lived near an airstrip in England and any time they had jets and prop planes there but any time a prop plane would go over Elizabeth would run to the hall lie down cover her head and go stiff and her mother said she was absolutely terrified there's no way to talk her out of so years later Elizabeth's mother got received the genealogy of the family from her father who said you've got to look at this and she did and there was a daisy pickles in the family line who died in 1942 in London yeah and I did some research because I thought well the Blitz was in 40 and 41 so that didn't add up but I've got old Wikipedia there was and there were there were shorter more intense bombings in different cities around England in different towns in 1942 in the spring of 1942 so and when Elizabeth's mother contacted me Elizabeth was 24 and she was still extremely phobic of prop planes going overhead so she told her mother she just she's terrified she gets this feeling in your stomach a she's just terrified so I referred her to a past life therapist in the UK so anyway sometimes these cases are very small and as you can see as you will see later when I tell some of the stories they get very complicated and big so children talk about things that they couldn't normally know in there two or three years of life and they usually talked about this in the first person as chased it and there's no way chase knew about the American Civil War and about the weaponry and what it was like to be a male soldier in the heat of battle and what's interesting too is I found that sometimes children would talk about these memories for a few years at least and they the details would remain consistent which I found fascinating like in chases case when two years after he he had that memory with Norman Inge it was almost word-for-word the same story the same visuals in his mind and these memories generally tend to fade between five and seven and as I just described in the case of Daisy pickles quite often there's some behavioral patterns with a child or traits that match up to what they're saying so it's not just a few statements which you could write off there you know other possible explanations in fact I had breakfast with I spoke at a conference a long time ago and I had breakfast with John Edward the medium and he was trying to tell me that past life memories and children are really spirits coming through children and I said well that doesn't account for the behaviors some physical characteristics like chases X eczema which was reminiscent of that wound you know this is so integrated in a child's personality that it wouldn't just it would be like total possession so in that sense what's the difference between reincarnation in possession it's more integrated into the personality and sometimes the memories fade over time but the characteristics the personality traits remain so this was what I was coming to with my research and I put an ad and mothering magazine in the AR email I wrote an article for the Aerie magazine and for the Journal of regression therapy I started getting letters remember letters [Music] it was slow back then and it's letter was precious because each letter was a case you know there was no other way to access this information so I started thinking about as I was starting delving into past life therapy and practicing I was thinking well it's really interesting how in past life therapy with adults there are patterns that you can see throughout a person's life going back to even the family of origin even to childhood their patterns and they're the dominant core patterns in people's lives and in past life therapy we use those patterns we look at those patterns is having a precedent in past lives and I've got to say we carryover positive traits to from past lives like precocious abilities knowledge wisdom but we also carry trauma and it works very much the way PTSD in the current life works and this is where my focus has been on healing that trauma from past lives and children so I was developing this model you know based on what I had experienced with Chase and his sister whom I won't talk about tonight because I don't have time who also had a phobia that went away after she remembered she had a phobia of fire and after she talked about her memory with Norman her phobia of our house burning down went away because she had died in a house fire as a child so I started doing my research and it was really hard you know you had to go to libraries and bookstores and rely on the mail but I did see references to dr. Ian Stevenson at the University of Virginia and I'm just curious how many of you have heard of Ian Stevenson this is an educated group so um I came across a reference to him and I think it was in many lives many masters which a lot of people read Brian Weiss his first book and it just mentioned that he did research of children's past life memories and it's like I couldn't find anything I couldn't find any books in the bookstore so I finally tracked him down through the University of Virginia and his story is pretty amazing he was the chairman of the department of psychiatry at the University of Virginia Medical School and he became disenchanted with Freud and psychoanalysis and I don't blame him and he his mother I think had been a theosophist who they believe in reincarnation she was into esoteric literature and in the early 60s someone sent him a case of a child in India who had a pack of very detailed past life memory and he became hooked he said this would be amazing research to do to see if this can show evidence for the continuation of a personal consciousness after death so he did more than 45 years of research but mostly in countries that believed in reincarnation because that's where the cases were coming from he networked with colleagues in India and Thailand and Myanmar Burma Myanmar and he started getting cases and people would read about these cases in the newspapers in India and then contact these professors in India who had contacted and Stephenson and he documented before his death in 2008 or 7 I can never remember he had documented almost 3,000 cases and I mean documented he was extremely thorough he's translators he he entered he went down these dirt roads and Burma and an ox cart you know he's seeking out these families in very remote areas and he would document everything the child's everything the rail relatives remembered looking for discrepancies in the story because he was publishing for his medical colleagues who thought it was nuts and his his research is really outstanding I had the honor privilege of sharing some cases with him through a very synchronistic weird event after my first book was published I got an email from Jim Tucker at the University of Virginia who said he was married to my friend from Asheville Chris and he heard about me and by the way he's in Stevenson's research associate he's a pediatric psychiatrist and since instead he took over his research but through my connection from Asheville I met him and met Ian Stevenson and this was in 2000 when we went to investigate one of my cases in Chicago which I'll tell you about in a little while so I had the you know privilege of joining him on his investigations which was really fascinating because he was looking to verify memories it wasn't really interested in the healing aspects of memories it's all about collecting the evidence corroborating it with someone who died before who fit the description that the child gave and he has some remarkable cases but he also saw the patterns too and he documented the patterns in the cases and again the young age at which children you remember they can have behaviors that manifest before their verbal abilities like phobias for example child is particularly phobic of busses or water or fire or odd things and they have corresponding behaviors in these cases that he was able to prove through the many statements the child made a lot of children in Asian countries remembered names places very specific details names of relatives which I wasn't finding with American cases so he was looking at the cases he could verify and he really found precious few American case so most of them are from Asia but in the part in the cases he has about he had about 800 cases that were solved meaning the child gave enough evidence that they could go find this other person the relatives of this person who died check the autopsy reports check out what the child says and like in a lot of cases there were like 80 90 % corroboration with the details which is pretty amazing with any kind of memory let alone from another life so in yeah three hours ago so and a lot of these children in the in the salt in the soft cases recognized relatives from the past they knew where they had lived and I will tell you a story in a moment which describes how amazing this is and anyone who's familiar with the selection process of the Dalai Lama when they present objects owned by the former Lama ordinary kids can do that too they will recognize things they owned in their previous life you don't have to be a spiritual adept to do that so what i found most what what really got me excited when i was reading Stephenson's research when i began reading it was he did a lot of statistical analysis which I couldn't do wouldn't want to do but he he determined that 75% of the kids remembered how they died death leaves a big imprint especially traumatic death because 50% were traumatic deaths and I say actually a percentage I've seen is higher than that but what was really blew my mind when I first read this just having had the experience when my two children is that 35% of these children who remembered how they died had phobias relating to the way they died the fear that got locked in at the time of death through the trauma carried over so this is pretty mind-blowing stuff and then not only that and I think it was 1998 Ian published 2200 to volume 2200 page 2 volume tome called reincarnation in biology 210 cases of children who had birthmarks birth defects physical symptoms relating to traumatic injury or illness and the deceased person's body chases eczema as an example this is a sketch from an autopsy report of a man who died in 1954 in India he was killed in his village by someone who shot him in the chest and this shows the display of wounds from the shotgun so very shortly after this man was killed in a village a woman in the village dreamed of this man and in the dream she saw him and he said I'm coming to you so about a year later this is a photo of this child who was born as a young man a year after this man was shot and he was born with birth marks on his chest which correspond to where the person he remembered and his mother had the dream about who died in the village when this boy was born the birth marks were pretty pronounced and at age three he started talking about the other person's life he pointed to his birthmarks and said this is where I was shot before and the mother hadn't prompted him at all and he talked about that other life until he was about five or six years old and he loved going to visit the other family and in India when this happens or in cultures where they believe in reincarnation it's not unusual for the reincarnated soul child to want to go to see the other family in fact that's quite often the case they implore their parents to go visit their other families because they miss them and sometimes they have this really interesting dynamic of relationship where the child does visit the other family and they become part of the family if we go back and forth you can see and this is what Ian did he would get autopsy reports medical reports to corroborate that there was a correspondence this is a very detailed case that in investigated in Thailand and it's worth talking about because you have to see how detailed these cases are and prior to recent years there weren't any American cases this detailed so there was a little boy in rural Thailand named Chennai and I hope that I'm pronouncing it properly and from a very early age his favorite play activity was playing teacher and he would tell everybody he I am a teacher when did people would say you're just playing teacher no I am a teacher and he would organize all the neighborhood kids he also around age three started asking his grandmother to go back to another town he named the town and he said my name is really I don't remember ba-ba-boom I I can't even pronounce the name and he begged and begged his grandmother who was his caretaker to take him back to this other town because he wanted to see his wife he wanted to see his twin girls so finally the grandmother gave in they got on a bus and went to this town they had never been before and they the bus dropped him off in the marketplace in Chennai who is three three and a half led them to a house they knocked on the door and an elderly couple answered the door and he said and he called the mother and father and he told him he told his mother his grandmother that he died when he was riding his bicycle on his way to school that someone shot him in his head so when they got to the door he called the elderly people mother and father and he said I am your son and [Music] they invited the grandmother and the child Chennai in and the grandmother said you know he said his name is this and that he was a schoolteacher and that he was shot in head on his way to school on his bicycle and the elderly couple said yes our son died that way and he was introduced to the family and immediately he recognized their twin the twin daughters he had left were who are now teenagers and he said I'm your father and he correctly named them he asked for blue jeans that the school teacher had bought right before he died and he said I put them in the closet and they said yes the jeans are still there and which is really interesting he's like of all the things in the world do you think when you die you'd forget about that stuff but I guess be buying new blue jeans and rural Thailand was a major big deal and interestingly they the Grimm the elderly people were not that convinced that this was their son reborn I guess maybe there were scams in Thailand about rebirth or something but yeah Chennai asked for an amulet a necklace with amulets on and he said there three Buddha's on the necklace and the family got this necklace and only had two Buddha's on it he said where's the other Buddha they had given one of the Buddha's to one of the daughters after he had died he remarked about changes to the house since his death it just goes on and on and off and the teenage girls were not too thrilled because he this is a three or four year old insisting that he called they call him father you know it's just very strange but you know if you grow up in a culture like that it's not as strange but what most convinced the family that this was their loved one reborn was the fact that Chan I was born with two birthmarks on his head that matched the entry and exit wounds of the bullets that killed the schoolteacher and and his wife who was there that that's an interesting dynamic yeah makes me think of Matt crawl and actually okay Stevenson actually had a case where somebody in Burma was killed in some insurrection a young man he was like 17 18 19 and he was married and he was killed he reincarnated in the vicinity and from a very young age he wanted to find his wife who would buy that and he was born I could just a couple years after his death reborn and he actually met the wife and they married so there was like a 20-year age difference it's kind of freaky stuff but um so it was the birth works and actually in Stevenson had documented about 19 cases of multiple birth marks corresponding to fatal wounds or injuries injuries in the former life so that there is because of ins work there is actually very solid physical evidence for carry over it's not just oh I have this memory oh it's integrated in the personality it's there's physical a physical correspondence which i think is extremely compelling even for skeptics but you know we got a long way to go here so anyway I was putting together this model in my mind of how parents could help children who are having traumatic memories resolve them in cases where they the kids were troubled and a lot often times they are they don't they aren't at peace about their deaths there is no resolution there's no closure because they died suddenly they die dramatically they for whatever reason so I was putting together this model in my mind but I don't really have have a way to test it out that there are ways to help children talk them through the trauma as it was coming up spontaneously in these young children and then a woman from Chicago saw my little reader add and mothering magazine and called me on the telephone no email and she said her two-year-old she believed was having memories of a traumatic past life could I help her she said I don't think I should take him to a psychologist they'll think I'm crazy if I say that I think he has a past life memory so we talked on the phone a few times and she told me that when Blake was a little old probably a little older than in this photo he ran to the front door is his older brother was getting on the school bus and he started crying and in Kali and the mother ran said what's wrong he said man hit me with truck Blake had started preschool and she said a toy truck right no a big truck he was very adamant and these kids are very adamant if you challenge them on the details they will be no big truck and Colleen said she had just heard Brian Weiss on Oprah right before those who made one remark he said sometimes children can remember past lives then she wondered could this be a past life memory so she asked him a question she said well what happened he said I went under the wheels and then what happened he said I was taken to a big place he said a school and Colleen's that any big building - - Blake was a school because that was the only big building he knew from his brother he said he went under the wheels and he kind of ran his hand down the left side his body and he said ran and ran me over and she said well what happened where were mommy and daddy and he said they had gone bye-bye at the store so apparently they weren't with him and she said what they want happy said I died I mean you hear your two and a half year old say that they died that is one of those moments of shocked reading you don't know what's going on so you know she was hoping that this was just a passing fantasy or something but a few weeks later a garbage truck passed and Blake said to Colleen that's just like the truck that hit me so he wasn't forgetting it she was trying to forget it about three months later they went to London because Blake's father was British and they were standing on a sidewalk in a very busy section of the city and Blake was in a stroller he was three at this point all of a sudden he got up out of the stroller and walked in the path of an oncoming truck and thank God the father pulled him back and you can imagine what the other bystanders ladies you know would you you can't control your child but it was a near-miss but at that moment Kali said oh my god I hope he's not repeating something from his past life whatever this is so at this point she contacted me and she said you know after this is um she said after she was starting to put things together in her mind that maybe this wasn't just imagination that this was really serious and she was very scared so she said it was interesting because after Blake first remembered being hit by the truck his personality changed he became very withdrawn and depressed and she said his nickname had been smiley he was the most happy outgoing child and she thought well it's probably my fault because I have an older child and a younger child and he's the one in the middle maybe I'm gonna gleich ting him and she would try it she also was Blake was complaining about aches and pains on the left side of his body and she didn't relate it to what he said about being hit by the truck at that point and she would try to comfort him and massage him and he would push her away and say I love you but I hate you and she she was really disturbed you know as mothers do we take it all on so she was telling me all of this and it was kind of going by the seat of my pants testing out what I had learned and I said well first of all very young children have a difficult time differentiating between past and present to them the past life that the remembering is as present as something that happened to them last week so you have to clarify to him that what happened was before that he's now safe in a new body and when she's told me that Blake had said he that parents had gone bye-bye at the store and I said you need to not tell him that you're a different mommy in this life you'll keep him safe so I said wait until he's relaxed like after bath or before bedtime when children are receptive to these memories in the hypnagogic state I used to joke that my husband's here we used to call the car seat the time machine because a lot of kids would have memories as they were riding in the car seat you know when you'll all a child to sleep it's a great device for parents to use if they want to put their kid to sleep and they would go into the hypnagogic state and start talking about past life memories while the mother was driving so my first bit of advice was pull off to the side of the road so you don't have an accident because you're gonna go into shock if they start talking about so I was giving Colleen some ideas on how to help him know that this is something that happened before he's in a different life and a different body so I was kind of crossing my fingers that this would work because I didn't really know any therapist they could take him to so about a week later Colleen called she said you won't believe would happen there was like uh she said Blake I was massaging Blake as he was getting ready to go to sleep and I said to him first of all you acknowledge what the child says the worst thing you can do is dismiss it and not encourage them to talk about it so she said remember when you were hit by the truck they said yeah and she said well you had a different mommy then and his eyes got really wide she said he said a different mommy and she said yeah I you know I'm your mommy now and she named all the members of the family her brothers and the aunts and uncles to ground him in this reality and she said and you're in a different body he said the different body she said it was like Christmas you know all of a sudden his face lit up and um yeah different body different mommy and we'll always keep you safe and she said he woke up the next morning he was back to his smiley self after being depressed for it was probably about six months at this point and she said all the aches and pains on the left side of the body that he had complained about completely went away so that was my test case and I can't tell you how happy I was that Colleen called me and it worked and she said well I'm gonna call oh I'm gonna write a letter to Oprah and tell her about this and I said well wait until I write my book at this point I was thinking well someday I'm gonna write a book so a year later I got a call from Oprah's producer that's how I got on Oprah she said we're going through our files for show ideas and Colleen Hawkins letter came up and she says this is true and I said yeah I and she said to have other cases and I said yes and my kids and I and some other parents went on Oprah with their kids and I had very few cases at that point but it was enough so Oprah did a whole show on it which got me a publishing contract but also more than that I was scared to death - can you imagine my first public speaking gig for 22 million I was Steve was with me and the kids were with me on the plane knows honestly I was praying for the plane to crash it's just not cool but um so so I started writing furiously and I was getting more cases from The Oprah Show and by 1997 I had enough material and you know struck when the iron was hot and I Steve helped me write this first book and I had a miracle publishing story I had a meeting with the president of Bantam Books directly and they published it much to my delight and because of Steve's foresight they put my website address in the book and Banten book says we don't we don't do that you know what is this we don't do that but fortunately because of that because of the internet I started getting a lot of cases but um if any of you written a book you know how much work it is and I swear I'd never do another one it's like having it your first child and you got I don't think I could have another child because it's too much work but well it wasn't my doing exactly but in it and then the book took off it was I show the that was a best-seller in Brazil that's why should have a Portuguese I mean like it was like it's on the side of buses and stuff which kind of blew my mind because I had a friend who is in Brazil he said he saw it but anyway the good best part of that was I started getting a lot of cases and people started hearing about it and I did more TV shows so it was becoming it was good it was getting out there so after I swore I'd write another wouldn't write another book was too damn hard I got a call from a mother again in the Chicago area and Chicago's just a hotbed of all the psychic activity I guess and I was aware that sometimes Souls could reincarnate into the same family and I had mentioned a case or two in my first book but I got a call from this very timid mother by the name of Kathy Luke and she told me her story in a very flat effect and you'll understand why she was a teenage mother and she had a little boy by the name of James when James was 17 months old he was diagnosed with neuroblastoma he had a large tumor behind his left eye which caused blindness in that eye and caused space to droop he had 17 tumors in his legs he had tumors in his mouth he had a big tumor it'd be fine behind his right ear that was biopsied they did some treatments but it's something they inserted an IV in his neck during one of the surgeries and at some point the doctor said there's nothing more we can do and Cathy took him home and right before he did died he said mom and don't cry for me and she took that to heart which is real not a really good healthy thing to do so you know it was devastating watching her son die and after that she met him a wonderful man and they married and she had a daughter and she had a son and she got pregnant again and she was delivering this would have been her fourth child in a c-section he had she needed a c-section to deliver this child and as she was recovering from the anesthesia these doctors filed into the room and said we have some really bad news and after losing a child you go to the worst-case scenario and they said when we have bad news as appears he's blind in his left eye it's opaque and he has a functional he said it looks like a tumor behind his right ear but it's just a functional system should go away she said bring my son to me and she held him and she said with the other children after child dies you look for that essence and another child she said when she held that child she said it felt just like James she looked at him she saw the eye she saw the cyst and he had a birthmark scar on his neck where the IV had been on James so this is a woman raised in Kentucky fire and brimstone Baptist and she said it James is back but she didn't tell anybody because her family would have disowned her and they lived in Kentucky and she was in Illinois so she just didn't say much about this but she knew so around age 4 Chad the new son started saying weird things like he said um remember where we used to live and he described the apartment she had lived in with James and he asked for toys that they didn't have which boring to James and she said I want to go back there and she asked why he said because I left you there he walked into the room one day and his older brother was there and he told him I got sick and died but now I'm back you know I'm sure that sent the brother running in terror can you imagine but this is you know it's very matter-of-fact like I died I'm back so he asked Kathy at some point do I need surgery again she said you've never had surgery he said oh yes I did before and she said where did you have surgery and he said behind my ear and he pointed to his right ear and she said did it hurt and he said no I was asleep and James had had anesthesia for that surgery so it was getting weirder and weirder and he was talking more and more about this other life at which point she contacted me oh he also said she showed him a picture of James which she had kept hidden she didn't show the other children because she really shut down her grieving process after james died and he showed him a picture and he said i want that and she said why she said he said because it's me ain't quite often and this will come up in the same family cases when a young child sees a picture of a deceased relatives and their relative and they're the reincarnation and the deceased relative they'll say that's me and of course most 99% of parents would write that off as no that's not you that's grandpa so this way I talked to Kathy on the phone for about two years I think and you know it was a long process until she finally got up the courage to just say yes I remember you know you were here before and now you're back and I'm so happy and you're in a healthy body and it was interesting because Steve answered the phone once when she called after way into this process he said she sounds really different and she said in Kathy's grief was something resolved in her when she saw that her son was really back and she said I don't have to go to the cemetery every day or every week I'm in peace so I was like okay I'll write another book and then honest God as soon as this happened I started getting flooded with these same family cases which led to this I had collected a number of cases this book came out in 2001 and they're just amazing the different configurations of grandparents died and come back coming back to their as their own grandchildren you know on my own grandpa that gives that song a new meaning but the the most amazing cases of children who die and come back to the same mother you know could be after a few years I had a few cases where these book gets complicated with the terminology but the women who contacted me mother's died and came back as their own children and there were these miracle pregnancies you know these Souls just really wanted to come through after the doctor said you know you can't get pregnant again it's impossible and they they would get pregnant so the soul has its way of finding its way in if it needs to and and in one of my investigations when I was doing research for this book we went out to visit I went out with Ian Stevenson to visit the Luke family because he was fascinated by the birthmarks and the birth defect and he wanted to document the case because there were very few American cases that he had at that point and I was getting a lot of them so it was interesting because I asked D and I said well why do you think people come back in the same family and this was this incredible man of science and if you read any of his books it's his research is amazing there's no other word to describe it so meticulous and he was so dog did in his research traveling millions of miles over 45 years to these remote areas to interview these children and their families and do the do the hard work but I said well why do you think that a soul will come back to the same family and he looked at me said isn't love enough and sometimes it's more than that sometimes the family needs this soul born into the family sometimes the sonne is the the soul needs to come back to do it better and I have a couple cases of mothers from hell coming back as their own grandchildren and how when the mothers figured it out they go I'm gonna raise this child in a better way so they won't so they will be able to learn and grow so I was starting to get these very detailed cases and very remarkable cases that I hadn't seen any and Stephenson's worked with the American cases and this is this is one I this family went on the Katie Couric show with me which she did a terrible job of doing this but trenny the mother got to tell her story in 1993 trenee this young mother her brother who was a basketball player in college died in a single car accident in Colorado he was they don't really know the circumstances but he was thrown from the car and died in 1998 Noah was born that's five years after Craig's death and at age two he showed this precocious ability in basketball he could dribble with either hand and he needed the terminology and she thought well that's that's interesting he has a natural talent he has a natural aptitude and this was at age two at age three she was driving the car he was in the back in the car seat and he was trying to get trainees attention while she was driving and all this she just she was distracted he said damn it Hanny I'm trying to talk to you and at that point she went into shock pulled over the side of the road because Hanny was the nickname her brother used with her the only person who called her Hanny and you know at this point she's wondering could this be my brother reborn I forgot to mention at the same age he had said to her before and it didn't register he said to her three times the last time I was here I fell out of my car and died then I flew up in the sky he said it three times and it wasn't until he called her Hanny that she thought oh my god maybe he's trying to say he is Craig so they were going on a family trip to the house in another city where Hanny lived Hanny where trenni lived with her family while she was growing up and Noah was in the car seat in the back at this point he's three and a half they drove past the former house and then stopped out in front and he said that's where we used to play basket Hawk basketball and the father said when did you play basketball there and he said when mommy and I were kids together and the weird thing was that there was no basketball hoop there the house had been remodeled and the hoop had been taken down so he actually had this memory and he started after that he started saying things like he asked for this toy that he had had before and it just went on and on and on and the engine another interesting aspects of this is that Craig had he chipped his tooth doing some sports and he always had a chip to front tooth Noah was born with that same chip on his tooth it was not hereditary also both boys had a speech impediment and this is Craig right before his death these are that these are Noah and Craig's baby pictures yeah yeah you could say it's heredity but it just you can hardly tell and even trainees mother who you know a lot of these people are devout Christians they don't want to believe this but she said one Thanksgiving they were sitting around the table and little no I asked for the jello dish that she used to make for Craig so you know it just goes beyond these two looks so much alike so I keep getting these cases and the more I see the more I believe that reincarnation in the same family and we're not talking you know you could call it a soul group but we're talking about immediate family can happen very quickly after death it can happen in less than nine months don't know how that works but it does so when I was the in Chicago on that trip visiting the Luke family I was having breakfast with in students and in Jim Tucker and we were asking well why can't we find any American cases as detailed as the Asian cases it seems like you know my books have been out it seems like parents are becoming more aware of this and maybe we'll get some cases I said I just want to find a really good American case as good as and ones you found that can be validated or verified so in 2001 I got an email from a mother in Louisiana who said I think my son is having them a traumatic past life memory he wakes up five times a week with the nightmares of his plane crashing he's hysterical he says it's burning little man can I can't get out and he's absolutely hysterical and they really have a hard time calming him down and she said my mother sent me your book and I did what you suggested in the book I entered his reality I said yes your plane crashed but you're okay you're okay now you're safe in another body etc this is little James so after she had talked to him entered his reality acknowledged his memory the nightmares went from five times a week to one every two weeks or so and then stopped completely but right after this as he acquired more language he started talking about his life as a pilot from a very early age he was obsessed with airplanes he had model airplanes all over the house anytime they went to the store Andrey had to buy a model airplane and he would know things about the planes like he picked up this plastic plane once and there was something on the bottom and he said that's a drop tank and Andrew said what's a drop tank he said he described what it was and she said she had no idea so he started talking about his life as a pilot and he said and Andrea asked him open-ended questions which is exactly the right thing to do you don't want to plant suggestions but you want to keep the conversation going so you keep hope you know then what happened or you know what as she did she's in fact Bruce the father was a really kind of a fundamentalist Christian who didn't want to believe in this at all so he would try to challenge James and he said well you food plane and yeah what kind of plane you said of course there so Bruce would go the computer look up yak horse ears were plans that they used in World War two they took off off of aircraft carriers so he so Bruce Edwards you're playing take off up he said James said a boat and he's about three at this age little kid and and reader say well what's the name of the boat he said Natoma so Bruce went back to the computer there was an aircraft carrier in the Pacific and Natoma Bay okay so first you know said to him well that's Japanese and he said no it's American this is the three year olds you know disputing this know it was an American ship which is true and then Tillman Bay was a US aircraft carrier and he would tell his dad like how he would use he used to take off off the planes and when they landed that he would get flat tires all the time and Bruce did research and he went deep into the research he was really good at research and he found that that was a defect with the Corsairs that they would get flat tires when they landed so and on and on and on and you know Andrew was like Bruce come on you know this is this is his memory and any time James drew which was often he would always make the same types of drawings of planes being shot down in the front where the propeller is and he would always say sign his name James 3 and they would ask him why do you what's James 3 and he would say I'm the third James so then okay and they would ask him what his name was in the past and he would say his name was James so you know Bruce would say see it couldn't be real and they asked him if they he remembered anyone from the Natoma Bay and he said yeah my friend Jack Larson so Bruce got deep into the research went to a Natoma Bay reunion under the pretense of doing research about a book about the Natoma Bane World War two and he found out there was surviving pilot by the name of Jack Larsen and he met with another pilot and he was trying to figure out who James could have been at this point so when Andrea called me the case wasn't very well developed and a producer from ABC primetime had gotten in touch and she wanted to do a warm memory a child's warm memory I said this was the only one I have that's current that might be interesting but there really wasn't that much but we did a taping and they decided not to air it so during that interim between not airing it and reshooting it Bruce talked to someone at OMA based survivors did some reach research and James had seen a book that Bruce had of world war two battles in the Pacific he opened do a page and there was an aerial shot of Iwo Jima and James was standing next to me said daddy that's where my plane went down and that was the moment for Bruce when he became a believer after all that it was that moment that was something it just had the shockwave through his body which we get when we know they're talking about this so with that information he talked to some of the survivors and he found out there was one pilot from the Natoma Bay that had gone down in that area near in with Gemma his name was James Houston jr. James 3 and his his plane was hit in the propeller they caught on fire and he went down so ABC contacted us again in this time the story was really well developed for television and for us and this is just more more drawings and from James three so they did a segment it's two segments on James Leininger story and they did a really good job you can find it on YouTube and after the show was aired in 2004 a Japanese film crew picked up on the story and they invited the Leininger to go to Japan and they hired a boat and they went to this site were James Houston's plane went down and they did a little memorial service they threw a bouquet in the water James was about seven at this point and they just saluted and he said I'll never forget you and everybody on the boat was in tears the film crew everybody but after that he had closure you know it was done it could be in the moment in his body as James Leininger this is really interesting this is um right before the ABC primetime show aired Andrea had found that James Houston had a surviving sister in California and they talked to her on the phone not telling them exactly what they were doing but saying they were writing a book about the Natoma Bay and they had a few questions about her brother it's kind of sneaky but um you know I I said Andrea you know before this airship she happens to turn on the TV she's gonna have a heart attack you got to call her and she found out that an Baron had a daughter and they called the daughter and told her what was up and she went over and sat with her mother with Andrea called and told her and an Baron the sister said well the day her brother died she saw him in spirit in her house in California and she knew he had died before they got the telegram so this is James Houston jr. who died at 21 beautiful young man areas in this plane here he isn't standing in front of a Corsair look at the face to the facial architecture is very similar and they are not related in the least you see here's a better one you see the chin and the nose there is there is a resemblance and here childhood pictures so after the ABC primetime aired they took James to a reunion and an Baron was there and it was Forest at the time were five five he just went right over to look at the looks on their faces and she accepted that he was the reincarnation of her brother who died and this is Jack Larsen his buddy from the Natoma Bay isn't that great I forgot an interesting detail and that's why I took notes because some of the there were just so many details James I had three GI Joe dolls and a name of them Leon Walter I forget some odd name Leon Walter and unusually I'll say Freddy it turned out that and he would talk to them and he said he told his parents if they asked why he named them yes and he said because after I died they met me in heaven so Bruce found out that there were three people from James Houston's squadron who were killed before him who had those first names I don't remember the last names but it was Leon Billy and Walter Leon Billy and Walter I mean it just gets freakier and freakier so my favorite one of my favorite parts of it I mean there it's an amazing case and it's just there's a lot more detail they wrote a book that was published in 2009 called sole survivor and the full story is in there but I love this story i chris cuomo interviewed me in new york for this segment and he was so rude to me he was so rude that his camera guys and the other guys came up after and said we think yours your work is really interesting i think you know yeah well whatever maybe they were apologizing for their boss so Chris Cuomo went down to interview the Leininger in Louisiana and this was right out of the Twilight Zone the doorbell rang while he was interviewing them and there was a package from an Baron James Houston's sister and in it she said these these were the effects that were left after he died in his locker whatever on this ship there was a bust of George Washington and James picked it up and smelled me he said it smells like a battleship and he ran and put it on his desk in the in his room and in an Barron's letter he said this is a bust my brother kept on his desk and there was a bakelite model of a course there and James was just delighted but Chris Cuomo was gone oh my god maybe this is real I just was hoping he'd have a little kid who had past life and everything you end up calling me this week yeah sweet I'd say I'm sorry I don't talk to you but anyway so this is what happened to James's artwork after they went to Japan no longer their ships being shot the airplanes being shot down from the sky you know it's not a battle scene they're dolphins and a whale closure and they're flat this is this is something that a Andrea's sent to me to mom from James and it's an intact airplane going over a field of flowers it's just sweet that's a great case I still like it and there's another one that I like even more [Music] that's unpublished it won't be published and you'll understand why so because of my husband's forethought we established a past life for him in 1997 when my first book came out and people from all over the world have posted their questions about children's past lives and their cases and in 2007 a mother from California posted the story of her son Kyle he was born in California he was obsessed just like James Leininger with his world war two airplanes he was obsessed with firefighting everything firefighting for potty training got a firefighters little outfit you know we got the the the belt with this stuff the gear on it he would get up early early in the morning and this is when he's two and three he would get up he take his toy axe and pretend to chop down the walls saying there's a fire behind them and he set up his room like a fire station and there's a picture of Kyle this is when he was a little older but he this started it yeah before he could really talk he was into firefighting when he was three his mother was reading him this Curious George book and he before bedtime and he pointed to the twin Bowers and he said you ready bad men knocked down the building's planes broke them I couldn't get to the people they were calling for me and he got very upset so from that point on he started talking about his life as a fireman and he said he said they would say you're going to grow up to be a fireman no I am a fireman he would insist he was a fireman actually he said I'm a fire rescue he we talk about the bucket trucks how they would go up and down and you push levers they said when you finally got down and would bump before you hit the bottom and he said his truck had a number three on it has had had black and white yellow stripes that his fire station they got a new fire truck it had a TV on it and there was a boat on top he would give his mother directions to the fire house down town [Music] he said firemen would follow the leader up a line if someone falls off the line they use a bright light and camera finer and then they have to say cheese they had Christmas parties at the fire station one day they had a party they were making popcorn and they burned the popcorn and they took it out of the firehouse and and put it out with the hose and all the firemen were laughing he said he trains new guys and his friend Mike who has three kids trains the older firemen every night Kyle would go into his sister little sister's room before bed with his little flashlight and he would do an inspection of the room and then he'd say all clear and then his sister would go to sleep he has a fear of heights and he would tell his mother I like small buildings I don't like high buildings they asked his parents for a real air tank and acts because his play worms don't work he said to hurry do you know what happens when you die you pick a belly and you come back and there if you go to the past life if you go to the past life forum you can read the the evolution of the case it's an entirety and it is so detailed his knowledge about fire fighting his mother said that he went when he was three he went on a field trip to a fire house with his preschool and she was a chaperone and one of the firemen came up to her and said your husband's a firefighter right he said she said no they said well he knows everything about the truck he knows everything about firefighting so boy when I got this case um it was kind of mind-blowing and you know she said that Kyle was very upset the issue was he was upset that he couldn't save the people in the building so I said you need to talk to him about that and you need to tell him there was very brave and he did everything he could and she said he's the sweetest kid he's always he's very compassionate he always thinks about other people you know just so many good characteristics and he's in a very loving family now so when they posted when she posted this on the forum one of my forum members was a fire chief from Connecticut and he had his own past life experience which is he wrote a book about his life as a civil war colonel and he had a lot of corroboration and his name is Jeff King and I Jeff went down the list everything Kyle said and he said yep that's right that's accurate that's true about the levers on the truck on the bucket trucks yes around that time the video screens were introduced in the fire trucks and if he was in New York City would have had a boat on top of the fire truck because it's an island in so many details that weren't even published by her I had a lot of private conversations with her because we did research and found out who Kyle had been and we read the obituaries we read postings from the family and they're very devout Irish Catholic family on Long Island and we decided it would not be in Kyle's benefit or the family's benefit to pursue it and say you know your son or your husband your son your fiancee is back as this little boy in California they took Kyle to New York City when he was seven and as they were crossing from New Jersey over the George Washington Bridge Kyle had this look on his face that I remember this and they went they were staying on the Upper West Side and there would happen to be a firefighters museum there and he went in and got some badges and he wore them on his little fire pins out in the outfit and they are not Irish but he went right for the little Irish hat this is his little shrine in his room then you see the buttons that he got at the Museum firefighters buttons and it's all there and he came back very quickly and this you know and I'm in one way I wish we could tell the family that their son is back and he's this wonderful child in California but you know what do you do with this and of course if the media gets hold of it its exploited I can't be good for my career but it wouldn't be good for Kyle and the family so we're sitting on this but you can read about it on on the forum and the form is free to get to it through my website and what what struck me about this case in particular was the altruism you know there was a trauma from the death but he wasn't thinking of himself he was thinking about others and he's still like that as a little kid so that carried over and what remains to be seen if he's going to end up being a firefighter again but it is just there's so much detail and as he's getting older the memories are fading but he's still interested in firefighting and I heard that James Leininger to back up just during the Navy I haven't I haven't talked to the family in a while but okay yeah I I wish him well and I hope he's remained safe so there's so many amazing stories and there's a new book out called the boy who knew too much anybody heard about it yet okay so this mother in Malibu she looks like a Malibu mama called me um I wasn't going to talk about it but she called me when her son was two and a half he's a baseball prodigy have you heard about this so I heard one of the coaches said he started talking about when he was a big ball at all baseball player before and someone spotted him playing baseball in a video and he got a bit part in an Adam Sandler movie and he was throwing the baseball or hitting baseball in the movie and he got to this was in Massachusetts and he his mother took him to Fenway Park and they were walking through one of the corridors and there was a picture of Babe Ruth and he looked at he said Babe Ruth was always mean to me you know he's like three four I think he was four at the time well the case developed and developed and developed he's the reincarnation of Lou Gehrig I'm pretty sure so it's gonna be they're making a movie about it and her book came out recently and I helped her at the beginning and then I lost touch with her and then I heard she was writing a book and I helped her with that a little bit but it's a pretty good case you know it's a very compelling you have to read it and you know she's really taking it to the max with social media and the movie and I hope it's okay for Christian her son another case where she was very Christian it's big a Christian her son's name was Christian out and her name is Kathy bird Kathy really didn't want to believe this at the beginning that's why the base of her son's baseball coach encouraged her to contact me because I normalized it for I told her what to do how to talk to him this idea this happens all the time but his precocious baseball ability is pretty astounding and there's a lot of strange synchronicities with that story too like Christians father's from Germany from the same region that the Gehrig family is from and just weird details then and not some weird you know just very obvious connections with Lou Gehrig so the book is out it's it's it's a good read and it's called the boy who knew too much so these detailed cases are coming now it was more people become aware of it as changing the mass consciousness and I think that's what it's going to take to really get this information out there so that parents can help their own children resolve these traumas from the past and help them heal their soul so they don't have to carry this into adulthood and then up in my office and I have to regress them as adults because these parents a lot of them will persist if they're not addressed when the kids are young and when I work with adults we go back to these early phobias we go back to these other experiences they had and it all ties in you know the evidence was there when they were young in the coil patterns so any questions we have yes [Music] say again okay has anyone asked them why they came back not really not to my knowledge I think the parents are so shocked except that sometimes the kids say they chose to come back and they will tell the parents that they picked them so that's not unusual I don't know whether they could even answer that question it when they're 2 3 & 4 and by the time the 5 to 7 they usually forget about the memories like in my son's example he still has memory because we kept it alive but the emotional component of the memory is not there anymore he has the visuals from that battlefield he remembers the story but he's not emotional about it he doesn't have a phobia he doesn't have the fear it's just a memory I guess they could ask [Music] be bought you you can bypass childhood you can go in on the feelings use an effect bridge and go back I know your therapist that's why I'm telling her that thank you I've been doing it for almost 30 years now no you can't you can't regress these young children it's not appropriate when the memories are coming up spontaneously you can address them as they're coming up spontaneously that's the message in my book you don't want to regress children and I caution people don't regret you don't regress and it won't work anyway but you know you have to it's a developmental phase and you know five to seven concrete operational phase I forget them Steve is that way you're signaling me okay there in case you're interested in that's my husband Steve who helped me write the books I couldn't have done it without him egging me on because I was ready to quit um yes and strangely we went to Puerto Rico right after right after we finished writing the book I we were walking around the old part of town and this woman we start I talked started talking this woman she went into the house and got this book on Dianetics and children it was the weirdest encounter it follows me but I know what you're talking about yes in the back all the way in the back [Music] okay did have any relevance to this life did you explain anything about relationships and this life or anything about you well we work with the traumatic memories because that's what needs to be healed we can talk about it I'll put more information from you after okay I'll be here for a little while yes Amy [Music] [Applause] Oh tell us what could you stand up and [Music] [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Laughter] Wow Wow thanks Sammy that's a great story yes did you owe somebody Jim you're one of my first clients oh my god that's a long story yeah I've had many regressions myself like the one the first one was the most potent the one where I saw that I died in World War two and my lung problems we cured I don't really want to spend time talking about that but I've had many I've seen a lot of my past lives and they're usually whatever comes up is relevant to your present life you know you might have to process a little bit but it's it's there unless you're just making it up I'd say like maybe I'd say maybe 3% you know it's maybe a metaphor or a story that comes up but I screen people very carefully now before I work with them to to make sure that this is appropriate so I think my methods have changed quite a bit in 28 years oh my god thousands of regressions yes [Music] I don't really see this payback how old was he Oh eyes are you that to tell you the truth I don't work with people that young now I've learned over the years it's not as effective as when there are a few years older so I have a policy I don't work with anyone under 18 unless they're really mature and this is something I've had to learn through time yeah there's an appropriate time to do it and I have people calling from all over the country begging me to regress their children or their young teens and I don't do it anymore having said that I worked with a 12 year old from Connecticut and he was amazing and his lifelong depression lifted so you know it's like that and I take it on a case-by-case basis now sure [Music] No [Music] [Music] [Music] everything they're always it goes I mean and everybody's story is different and you know I don't really believe it's payback I think we learn what we have to learn you know it's not a punitive process it's like we try to balance and I think that's the beauty in it too it's all about balance you know if it's very different the way I work now is very different because I've learned and I had some really great experiences regressing like 12 14 16 but then I stopped because I was not getting the results that I like so it's yeah I'll tell you I don't have it and that's what we do I mean you go through the I don't really want to talk about adult regression but just say briefly that you do go through a past life death which is like a virtual near-death experience in a way you go into a different altered state of consciousness where you can be objective and look back at the life you saw and connect the dots with the the themes the feelings in this life - so my work is evolved off after 30 years I keep learning new things every day yes [Music] [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] that's interesting interesting and some people do yeah yeah you know you might like return from heaven yeah from what you're telling me because there's a lot that had a lot the children remember before they were born they make contact with the family they trail the prospective parents is pretty interesting [Music] right right I think it we have time for one more question okay [Music] [Music] it's whether people can remember more than one past life and are you asking if there's a theme that yes yes I got it now yeah you you don't have to go to all of them if you go to one of them and whichever one rises up that's the one you work with in other word I know I had at least seven lives I can think of where I died because I couldn't breathe from hanging for several hangings from the gas chambers yeah with my big mouth gas chambers consumption I had multiple lives with trauma died of trauma to my lungs I didn't need to go back to all of them there were different issues involved with a different traumas but it's like the imprint gets deeper with each one so that really needs to be released but you can go back to one and release the whole pattern that's a really good question that's an advanced question thank you I know we're going to end soon them I'll share my uncle's story it'll please do I was driving which is interesting I didn't even think about that on my children before our two children were born I had a pregnant favorite I lost the due date of that pregnancy was March 17 well lost night John I think that was I was doing so a year later I was pregnant again I have a daughter was born in 87 and then I got pregnant again no no daughter was born in 89 so 89 is Juliet she's my youngest and Kira was born in 87 she's my oldest so one day I'm driving along and looking at the young [Music] [Laughter] interesting my name is Jan Horan I'm the executive director for MUFON we are a scientific research organization that basically collects sighting reports from the public and then goes investigates them our mission statement as an organization is the scientific study of UFOs for the benefit of humanity and we have three primary goals we investigate UFO reports we promote research into the UFO subject and we educate the public on our 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