All Things Woodturning - All About the Bowlsaver Max4

[Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] well good afternoon hello everybody uh todd rains here from uh wood turning tool store back with you from my shop in here in allen texas it's good to be back live again um and in front of the front of the camera in the studio uh it's been a little while um so i want to thank uh thank you everybody for being here i got a couple a couple of uh my texas friends joining so let's say hi to lowell hello thanks for joining uh yeah i definitely had a fun time um first part of that not quite so sure so uh but uh it is what it is and uh and then uh my friend tony and got to meet his wife nikki uh finally so it was good to meet you guys and have dinner with you and stuff tony thanks for joining and uh larry uh thanks for being here i appreciate it so as you know or maybe not all of you know but uh uh i do live stream to facebook and youtube um this time on fridays 2 30 and excuse my voice it's a little hoarse a little congested so but uh 230s is kind of my time on fridays i don't do it every friday i'm probably going to stick to it every other friday schedule maybe going through the summer i do have the fan on in here so if there's any noise from that let me know um but otherwise it gets a little warm out here at 2 30. so uh and so hopefully uh everybody's had a good week and looking forward to the weekend hopefully already had a good uh i guess long weekend last weekend fourth of july independence day uh so that's very nice it was a lot of fun it was pretty low key here at the house um you know just kind of passed by as as we were uh doing the uh you know actually grilling on on monday night so i kind of worked out so um but uh yeah so everybody's uh um had a good weekend and stuff uh james good to have you here um i think uh it might be the first time i've seen you here but uh at least your name pop up so i appreciate it i know i think you've been on before so good and glenn good to have you here um so um hell my friend phillip from cross pond i hope it was a good show for you it was fun it was good to meet everybody i met a lot of people um i hadn't seen in years met a lot of people uh who have met virtually uh and good to meet in person again so yeah it was it was fun in that regards a lot of work man so we drove out there uh from here to chattanooga it's um 11 and a half hour drive so a long day of driving and long day setting up thursday but uh so fun to meet everybody and stuff um you know the facility was was nice uh it was nice and cool in the in the uh uh trade show room which was nice uh previous ones have been warm but we're looking forward to uh you know swat coming up so i'll mention that swat is southwest association returners i do have a banner let me let's see there it is yes uh august 26th to the 28th in waco welcome to the heat so august in middle of texas should be it should be nice and warm uh but uh it's a great show um i'm hoping it's uh um gonna be a good one this year we haven't been in a couple of years because of kovitz so um and uh it's it's in our backyard so it's a lot easier to get to um and you know texas just a lot of friendly people friendly people so uh we're looking forward to that one come down to that one we'll be there uh we'll have uh um all our stuff out there so uh looking forward to that so uh we'll talk about that more in a minute um i've got a few more people to say hi um cindy thanks for dropping in uh cindy drozda a good friend of mine so uh thanks for being here we'll talk about her in just a second uh david thank you for joining uh and uh nice oval boxes if you caught that in the newsletter i sent out those were david's boxes uh well done david um james it's been a while trying to get my shot finished oh yeah you got that nice new shop down there keep sending pictures on facebook last i saw you just had sort of a blank slate on the inside i think just got the walls up inside so good stuff uh i'm not kidding you on facebook oh well it says i'm on facebook um here we go um somebody's watching on facebook don ward see it's what thank you for joining dawn so um check it out cindy it should be uh on my uh todd rains page as well as woodturning tool store page so just checking your live and a view on facebook just to double check um you're about to yeah okay continue to facebook yeah looks like i'm there just for what i can see uh let's see if i delay is um that's about 15 20 seconds so there we go so should be good uh let's see um my wife is responding let's see sorry woodshop 42 hi uh from ron uh daniel it's uh from new jersey good to have you here ron thank you for joining appreciate it uh yeah uh phillip says live on facebook excellent yep roger i'm watching on facebook also excellent so got you todd drains but not woodturning tool store oh let me check that one sorry um check the other one so view on facebook go over uh yes yeah looks like i'm there yep um not sure uh cindy just double check everything but thanks for checking i appreciate it looks for my end everything's working but ah let's see uh michael mcewen a friend from canada so he's out in victoria bc uh michael go ahead and michael is a new uh distributor for uh easy in my staff so michael go ahead and drop that in if you want let people know who you are he's distributing in canada so um scott grove is uh taking him on as a international dealer sounds like a man of mystery yes uh okay i got cindy's thing on there still sorry about that um wow we got a lot of people on here today so great um yeah it was uh was really good to see you michael i will see you in uh in waco in a few weeks so good um and uh terry oh good you got my email so good to have you here terry um glad you found your way to the live streams uh thank you for joining and uh and so with that so okay it's okay cindy you know technology sometimes gets the better of all of us so no no worries i don't know what happened either but uh anyway we're good to go so i got through a blast of comments there so thanks everyone for joining so um let's take a look at uh so what uh who i am who am i so you can reach me at and i still haven't done this cindy i got to move this over um but uh you can reach me here uh woodturning tool store phone number email address uh if you have any questions about what's going on today or any tools we have in the shop uh drop me a line i'd be happy to talk and chat and email and get you settled on what you uh what questions you might have answers for or need answers for get my words all screwed up so uh so and next this is what i want to talk about as well my friend cindy drozda is having a uh demo tomorrow gosh people check it out uh this is gonna be the first of four in a series of valid containers uh this one we're doing that beautiful blue one up there so um i'll be uh i'll be on tomorrow co-hosting as usual and uh cindy is gonna be spinning her magic as usual so let's see let me get uh if you can't read that so it's tomorrow saturday july 9th uh it's 1 p.m eastern 1700 utc so we're getting all uh all global with it so there's there's a banner just to make it a little bit easier to read uh the follow-up is the 23rd i believe and cindy correct me if i'm wrong but i think that's right and uh 1pm so [Music] the second one i think is she said it's going to be on our finial and her pedestals so uh and then three and four will be on the other shapes and forms uh inclusive all that stuff so um should be a lot of fun i'm looking forward to it i always have fun co-hosting and and uh meeting everybody there and uh yeah pick up your ticket now go to cindyroseto.com and uh and sign up now i said now everybody now so that should be fun so what else we got uh oh uh what are we doing today max4 so this uh this is the box um this was taken yesterday in my shop uh this photo and uh the max 4 is a brand new bull coring system um and uh it it was just announced on the 23rd of june at aaw that thursday or friday i can't remember which and it's uh the culmination of multiple years of of sort of design tweaking in engineering and uh testing um from uh woodcut tools they embarked on a journey with multiple turners from across the world you know from from their home country new zealand and australia uh some turner's from the states some turner's from the uk and europe to get their feedback and design a tool uh that will uh i guess be i think the sorry chords on the way here be one of the better coring systems out there it's super simple and safe to operate and i i've used it for the first time yesterday uh in practice for today and uh i've never cored a bowl before you know my 20 years of turning it's just not something that uh oops wrong one there we go it's just not something i i had didn't have the tooling it didn't have the tools and i thought about it for years i just didn't get to it i started turning smaller stuff and didn't hadn't really gotten a large supply or you know work with the large stuff so uh but i got this load of broad repair from a good friend of mine a few weeks ago and we got some larger pieces nothing yes to use the large blade but we could use a small medium blade and i tell you yesterday it was i was going through i set it up and and operating used it and all that stuff super simple easy to use and a great tool so we're going to walk through that today and we're going core uh this blank here that i got on on the on the lathe so um that's about all i can say until we get to it but uh um well that's not all i can say i can always talk more but um i will say uh for a coring system uh that uh is that easy to set up and stuff um yeah it's uh it's a winner i think uh definitely a good addition to my tools at this point because uh i'm kind of hooked now uh it's it's kind of that much that much fun so um let me see so there's the box so what i did yesterday is i i videoed the whole thing in my shop here so i'm gonna create uh besides this live stream i'm gonna create a a youtube video a post-production youtube video of the whole process um about setting it up and taking it out of the box and that kind of stuff um i've already got a partially assembled here today so we'll miss some of that but i'll let you all know when the youtube video is ready um with that part of it and stuff we'll we'll take a look and and that should be uh should be a lot of fun so um today we're gonna run through um the basic sort of a setup once you got it assembled and in use so um what i would like to uh for you to do is uh if you're on youtube you know go ahead and hit the like button or subscribe button and all that kind of stuff same thing on facebook it'll get this video out and share it a bit more and uh and hopefully people will get to get some information about this caring system and uh whether you buy from me or somebody else that's fine um i just want you to get the information so we do uh we do sell them uh we uh they're not actually in stock here yet but they're on their way uh so uh that is uh a good thing too so let me uh let me just uh let's see uh check the comments here [Music] all right excellent i think i'm caught up so let's take a look at a live shot here um there we are so uh what i've done is i've prepped this blank this is bradford pair uh let me see how big this guy is i didn't really measure it it is um let's see we can go wide shot just so we got about eight and a half in diameter and about four and a quarter uh depth so um so it's uh it's you know a good size blank that we can get some stuff out of um i'll show you the ones that i turned yesterday they're down here in my bucket of shavings uh even you know shaping the blanks and stuff still got a bucket of shavings so uh let's take a look we'll pull this thing out uh the banjo we'll plop it in here and we'll talk about how how we're gonna set it up um so as it comes out of the box you get uh um a set of instructions so these ones i had to print up i lost the book at the symposium but you'll get a little fan fold book but i've got hard copy instructions i'm going to post i haven't posted these yet on the website but i will uh assembly is clearly quite easy uh there is a picture of the contents and uh boom that's it you know assemblies right there so put that in there screw that put that in there screw that put that in there screw that pop it in your banjo and as i say phillip bob's your uncle right so there you go uh so i've done that yesterday or most of that anyway and so i will bring the unit over plop it in my banjo and there is sort of the overview of the of the unit we've got um this thing on the end here i just oh look i didn't set that up that's one thing i didn't do okay bear with me as i do this again sorry folks i do this almost every time i forget to set up the slider but you know um there's more things to worry about in life than spending a few minutes together just watching me slide this camera so uh there we go boom and and we'll get back and we'll take a look at this okay so at this end there's this little morse taper adapter it's on this little slide it's got a little handle down here that's going to fit into our tail stock that's going to be a secondary point of support so that's the great thing about this thing um this we've got the big carriage right and these three bolts hold down this guy which is the clamp for the blades that go in these slots um i wonder if i can get i can't really get let's see if the line shot will get that so you can kind of see um head out of the way there's little slots in here um it's hard to see with the i do have a light here so you see the slots there there and there that hold the blades and so this clamp block clamps down on those blades this little spigot is for a handle and then it rotates on this center post we've got a a wear pad this is where the blades will rest on as they go through and do their cutting and then you got the tool post here and i'll pull it out we'll show that at the bottom here so i've got a collar on here that's resting on the top of my banjo and uh so that we're gonna we're gonna take a look at how that's set up right now and uh and we'll go from there so the first thing i want to do when i get this part assembled i get that assembled under there i get this assembled into this platform by the way while i well i have this upside down let's just take a look at at the uh the robustness of that that plate so it's pretty heavy well ribbed well machined and finished uh so it's pretty robust and and stuff so that's uh that's something to be uh be proud of would cut for sure um so let me uh uh what i'm gonna do is take this bowl off and we will uh take a look at how to align this thing and set the collar height on your on your tool on your uh your blade so let me do that now i've got to pull this off i'm just going to pull the whole turning off by the chuck so this is kind of like setting up the center height of of your hollowing system or whatever else so we're going to grab a spur drive stick that in there and come back over there so i've just got a spur drive in here the point center and that's running fairly true it's nice so let's bring up our thing we'll get one of the blades i'm just going to grab the small one because that's probably going to be the first one i'm going to use i'm going to mount this in the carriage and it's going to go on the first slot down here and so it slides in you can see it come out on the other side there so we can kind of vary where it sits within the whole thing if we do need to get a bit more exposure in the blade we can bring it out um i'm just going to seat it about there we'll get our set of allen screws or allen wrenches hex wrenches as they might be called a big eight millimeter one uh is for tightening these bolts so we'll tighten that down i want to have this resting on this wear pad when i tighten that down that's apparently something i missed yesterday that so i'm going to tighten this kind of like a uh lugs on a car on a tire and a car and kind of tighten them down somewhat evenly so that uh you know snug that up a little bit get that one so it's snug and then keep rotating around until we get snugness all the way around and all i'm doing that for is to get an even seat so i get to get this wearing evenly on the or sitting evenly on the pad it's really not not that difficult to set up but that's it it's tightened up we've got that blade in there it's not going anywhere it's clamped down so now we want to do is kind of bring that whoops there goes my chuck and bowl over there let me swing my banjo out of the way so let me go over here and tighten up a little bit go ahead as i do have that see if that helps a little light there so what i've got here is the point center and i would adjust the uh [Music] the collar on the the um the tool post up and down until it gets set just right lock in the tool post set that collar in place and tighten up the set screw in the collar so right now we are set where that and that and i wonder if this and let's see got that aim just a little bit wrong right there there so we've got that this cutter lined up right at that center of the drive center so if i turn this on just a little bit you can see it and i'm cutting that that center point so we've got our collar set up just at the right height we tighten that down and now whenever we put this platform back in everything sits down and we're always at the right height so that's something that i uh i did yesterday and so now today it's all set for me i don't have to do anything else in terms of adjusting that collar so that's all we need at the drive center for just to measure that let's get our bull back on the lathe and i'll take a breath and take a look at comments and questions all right so let's see um michael says i have the max 3 great system yeah so the max 3 is the predecessor to this system so there's uh three i think three systems the original bowl saver which we have uh one or two of those in stock it's a two bladed system the uh let me tighten this up a little bit and hop back on so uh the original bolt saver is a two bladed system the max 3 is a three bladed system i think has a smaller capacity than this one the max four is still a three-bladed system um you know it's kind of a misnomer in the name but uh it's the fourth generation um and so they've taken some of the great feedback they got the max 3 and in max four and i think beefed things up a little bit so um james good question are you gonna have them at swat um i'm hoping to have one or two available at swat um let me know if you if you want one um send me an email i'll bring it to swat and um you know we'll do all that transaction and you'll save on shipping so they are on the website uh let me bring that up for a second let's see pc they go small these cables are still in the way i got to tie those up so here's the website and right on the front page i've got this big banner for the max4 so you can click on that and learn more about the the max4 if i put that click there we go so 8.99 is what these retail for you have to choose your tool post option we got one inch 25 and 30 millimeter um one inch typical for the us here right so um and then shipping uh this guy to uh anywhere in the states is around 45 bucks uh or 45 to 55 i think somewhere in there so it's uh it's costly to ship so that'd be a good thing if you uh if you're going to swat you want one uh let me know now i need to order now to hopefully get them in time to have uh for swat so let's go back there yeah okay yeah this is this is good this is ah yeah absolutely so yes uh thank you everyone for joining today uh shelley and my wife is behind the scenes uh chatting with people so appreciate that shelly thank you and let's go okay good so i think i'm caught up so next step let's um let's set up the uh for the first core so we're going to take a look at and let me back this off a little bit oh i didn't turn that one on back on sorry i'm struggling with cameras again and widen that one out all right we'll go to the wide shot we'll take a look at kind of where we're set up we've got eyeball blank what i've done is i've faced this off i put a little tenon in here because when i core this this little one uh that way i'll have now um like i said yesterday was my first time coring so whether you do the little one first or the big one first i think you can do either way you know i don't know the benefits yet of each one but if i core this little one uh the first little part i'll mark it first here so i think i'm going to core in about here you can barely see that line and then my other one will be cord about there so this is maybe maybe a little bit thinner than that so probably about there let's just turn that on for a second and we'll fill that in that's not filling in let me get my i had a felt there it is so that'll be one blade's width and then this will be probably another one somewhere in there so i'll get three balls out of this blank it's what i'm hoping to do so record the little one when i pull that one out i'll have a place to to chuck it up and turn a 10 on the back side uh the middle one uh this middle blank it's going to be just a blank and i'll have to jam check it put a tenon on it and of course the big one i'll have still in the chuck and we can finish the inside and finish the outside so that's my plan um your mileage may vary in terms how you do it so let's finish setting up the rest here then we'll go back to overhead and scoot down this way now we'll take a look at all of this setup down here so now we've got kind of where our our blade on center we kind of know where we're going to sort of cut and loosen the banjo we're going to cut probably close to there ish let me bring that out about there and we'll we'll take a look whether that's set up correctly or not we've got this tail stock piece i'm going to slide that into the tail stock a little ways the kit comes with this threaded rod um i put a nut on it you'll get a nut or something i think with the with the kit i believe this 3 8 by 16. the end of this guy is threaded 3 8 by 16 so we've got a draw bar to hold the tail stock and this thing together it's kind of handy because it gives me a way to kind of move everything out of the way i'm going to stick this through most tail stocks are hollow larger lays and i'm going to thread that in to that guy so now we've got the threaded rod uh threaded into this guy here so that will uh will kind of lock down for a second i've got a uh in fact i didn't want to quite do that yet i've got a quite a bit of uh of room i can't really see it i don't think i don't think this will go far enough no there's quite a bit of rod uh sticking out at the end of the tail stock and i'll show you how much i've got about this much rod sticking out of the tail stock i don't want to wind that all the way in so i'm cheating i am using a fancy washer so i go with my handle system so i'm using that just kind of fill up space so that's going to go in there thread into that rod get my handle cranked up i don't have to wind this thread up very far now i can just tighten that by hand and now if i unlock the banjo so we widen out a little bit so i got that banjo loose i loosen the tail stock i'll pull the whole thing as one assembly so it'll all come with as one so because it's attached here so now i've got this thing i can pull it out of the way and move it into place so um i typically don't want to do that while i'm setting it up but we'll kind of manage it here we'll bring this a little closer i want to get the plot platform close or at least in a position where i think i'm going to cut what there and i'm just going to now grab a little template so you get these paper templates one for the small blade one for the medium blade one for the large blade they're basically going to tell me where these things are gonna cut so i've got um the point this is the pivot point i've got that in the pivot point there it's kind of hard to do with my hand in the way but i can't can't help it otherwise right there and i swing this over and it's going to kind of tell me where it's going to cut the ball so right now it's telling me from the top view and it's telling me from the top view i am going to cut that's going to be the uh the bottom uh the inside cut the bottom of this the middle bowl which i think will be fine uh because we've got another bowl section in there to cut so that's kind of where i'm kind of planning anyway to uh to core these guys so i think we'll leave it there we'll go with that today and and set that up so i'm good with where the banjo is sitting i'm good where the platform is sitting so that next thing i want to do is now i got my tail stock kind of in the right place i'll lock that down and i'm going to wind up this make sure i go the right way todd i'm going to lock this handle which is locking my tail stock in place so now everything's locked down this is locked down this is locked down this platform is not going anywhere nowhere so we've got this thing ready the only other thing we need to do is to put the handle we got this big long black handle you can use this handle this comes with it it's got a spigot on the end so you can add another length to it if you want to so that's going to go on this metal piece here and they're designed in such a way that it just clears this knob here so that's very nice so if i uh put it there just clears so cool i have to lock that down so i think that's 5 30 seconds in that guy so the standard hex wrench for your your chucks we'll lock that down and we are ready to go um actually i'll get my just just because we're gonna wear a face shield just because this is uh you know big stuff um i'm perfectly fine with what i did yesterday it was really easy but always be safe so we'll put this on and we're going to turn this around between 300 and 500 rpm so i've got power on make sure i'm going the right way i am going to double check the chuck because it has been sitting there for a few hours this morning this is a one-way stronghold chuck with the profiled four inch jaws um so it's not dovetailed but they're holding quite well and we're set to go i should talk about the cutter so let me uh i mentioned that i'll grab the the medium-sized blade i'll show you the other one too because why not we're talking about blades so here's the medium-sized blade and here's the large blade so that's kind of the system this large blade has a another section that is concave in shape so it's gonna for um follow the contour of the bowl core the view with this one this can core up to 18 inches so um uh 18 inch ball with this guy the the blades are stellite which is a very hard tool steel let me tighten this in a little bit there we go and if we take a look there you can see sort of the wedge shape of the cutter and it's got a slight bevel on it about a 10 degree bevel or 80 degree however you want to look at it but if you look at the cutter and why it's why it's wider than the blades which makes sense so you can now get room for the blade these points are important to keep pointy so if you did want to sharpen it you do it on a on a cbn wheel i touched these up on my cbn this morning you can take a home and just hone that flat straight across and do not round over those points so those points are kind of like the uh the saw curve a blade saw curve right so if you look at a bandsaw blade or a handsaw blade you've got curves the other the points that kind of go off to the side those clear chips and cut the outside of the curve before really cutting the inside so that's important to have these nice and square and have these wider this tip will last you quite a long time 500 bowls they say are longer i'm not sure i've only cored one set of three bowls so uh i'm good to go for a while and so that's that's the shape and the size of each color they're about 8.7 millimeters wide at the tip and the bars themselves are made of a high strength steel uh some alloy and zinc plated to resist rust and stuff so so that's the blade and the tip geometry so touch them up with a hone uh touch them very gently on a cbn wheel and you're good to go i put my face shield down all right here we go um check on the questions uh so clever okay thank you excellent uh let's see um power's on about five 500 rpm we'll start there locked locked tail stock is tight and that handles tight all right we're good to go so just gently in and let me uh widen this out get the whole view again let me see what this wide shot looks like now and maybe uh maybe this shot now is a little bit better okay so you can kind of see the green screen behind me but um very little uh hand pressure needed on the handle here this hand very little this is nice wet bradford pair so it's coming off very nicely i'm going to pull my garbage can out so my shavings kind of fall in there naturally so i'm just clearing shavings as i go you can feel they're a little wet and damp and stuff definitely easier to to core wet wood i can't believe how easy this is it's just uh i do recommend you clear shavings quite often um if you get the shaving kind of jammed between the the blade and the wood uh it will jam on you um you know yesterday installed my lathe out just kind of ground it to a stop simply turn the lathe off pull the blade out and clear the shavings and there we go no harm no foul that blade there that chip there is just gonna probably get in my way i don't really need to hold my finger there but it just kind of stops a bit of the vibration a little bit and it gives you a kind of a feel with your finger of how this thing is operating so [Applause] can't really see in there so feel is that kind of the thing to go i just uh honestly this is just amazingly how easy this is fingertip control so yeah i can couldn't cut anything there could feel not cutting so there's a shaving in the way there we go now once you get to this spot in the bowl where you're down at the at the bottom side um getting into the okay uh where you get uh oops let me go over here a little bit more uh when you get to the sort of the end grain part of the bowl you do cut inside grain here you hear when you start turning here you'll notice that the sound changes a little bit differently so it gets a bit more jumpy and stuff you'll notice that when you start cutting so and shelly wanted me to zoom in a bit more so let me zoom that one in that one's not really showing what i want to show let's just show this one for a little while so kind of go slowly in there until you hit the bottom cut a little bit when i get down to this point i tend to clear shavings a lot more on the platform i look overhead you can see this line where the shavings are that tells me how deep i'm going to go so i'll tend to leave that line in in sawdust if i sweep it away then i don't really know where where my blade is going to start cutting so i'll sweep some shavings over there now i know where approximately where i'm going to look to see where i'm going to start to cut so leave a few shavings on the platform just as a indication of where you're cutting see there we got jammed up so that's a shaving cot in between the blade and the and the tool kind of see them clogged in there right in there so not a big deal it just i kind of manually push this through clear and clear those shavings a little bit there we go and i think yeah we knocked the i thought we knocked bowl loose a little bit so let me fix that that didn't happen last time but what's better take a skinning pass through the whole whole area and take my time because i know i'm going to hit that jam of shavings very gently here i caught some shavings where's that well that sucks let's see let's remount that guy you can see a little gap here this wet wood is moving on me as i as i cut there we go there's the culprit probably there we go that's still off can't be moving that much for moisture much better all right back in i've got some sort of tarot down in there that's just bugging me up so we're gonna shift my platform just a little bit and cut recut that path loosen the tail stock loosen the banjo actually leave the tail stock i'll loosen this taper and just shift it ever so slightly to the outside and tighten that back up and we'll take another task i get this thing seated here though i didn't have this problem last yesterday but you know everything's new so we're essentially widening the curve yep something down there we just don't like and this may be yeah my my one-way profile jaws don't tell me have been better but i can see down in there i don't see what's causing the problem all right let's carry on so this is what i mean about the whole assembly being a tied to the tail stock i can move everything kind of back and forth pretty easily i'll do that for a second we'll change this trajectory a little bit what is going on let's spin this a bit there we go all right we'll cut a wider path [Applause] one thing i probably should have done is put my powermatic in low power mode lower belt but i have not done that this is that end grain area that i uh i mentioned there we go we're kind of getting that end grain cutting down at the bottom foreign so do and at this bottom part you'll start to hear the sound change right about there i could hear the pitch get lower and this is starting to move now so we're getting close very close persistence seems to be the the key if you're kind of figuring things out the first second time i'm going very slowly till i hit that bottom there we go that one popped out so undo the banjo undo the tail stock the whole thing pulls away and there's our core so if i go overhead we'll see we got some sort of catch down in here that just wouldn't give up on us so we made a bigger core so i got room for a tenon there so we got a little bowl uh we can put on that guy and now we've got this other core let's do that one next i'm going to drop this in the trash just to keep the moisture in it and let's go ahead and change blades and we'll get to the uh the medium-sized blade all right check that off let me take that off for a second let's check questions um let's see oh okay um joe's here hey it's joe thanks for joining in how does this rig compare to the old woodcut rig the original bowl saver is much smaller and has two blades um the uh the max 3 i don't know i've never seen a max 3. michael could probably answer that question and then this guy is much heavier the castings on it are much heavier uh the blades are much bigger we can do up to 18 inch from three inch up to 18 inch cores with this guy how big was this guy we got this was four four something inches yeah four and a three eighths four and three eighths diameter off this guy so there it is i'm kind of picturing picture there so let's grab that big eight millimeter allen key loosen off these bolts and pull out this blade a little bit more that's in the way there we go there's the blade grab that one medium sized one so i'm just blowing out the chips from uh in these slots um so they get a nice clean um mount i guess i can get that in there should just slide i may have to loosen these off a bit more there we go okay we'll get that blade loaded in you can see see it in there i want it resting on this this spot down here let me take a look at that um yeah broken tenon i think yeah it's the profile jaws not holding quite as well as i'd hoped for this amount of torque and i should have put my lathe in slow speed mary alice thanks for joining i had the same problem recently but it was because the wood started to crack and move and ended up in a campfire yeah excellent that's a good use for some wood yeah this is very wet so as it uh as i core it there could be some movement um and as you saw on this piece it's uh it's pretty grabby once it gets down to the end grain here so um for the side grain it's fine but once it gets here near the bottom it starts to grab so that's when to slow up and clear chips often i guess can't be stressed enough um let's see good question let's see philip if i had a problem if i have a problem with mine it happens at the same point just at the bottom corner of the bowl yeah and uh even with uh hand turning uh with um behind me that uh even with chisel gouges you know as you cut that bottom it starts to kind of bounce a little bit so yeah absolutely it's it's a tough part of their thing um how do you get the rig back to the same spot after you slide the tailstock back well you don't exactly right so as you saw on this one um i took a different you know couple swipes right made it a wider much wider i'm in the way again uh made it a much wider cut um so um yeah that's all i did is i just moved it out i kind of got the same geometry the same uh general place the blades are are hemispherical and so they're going to cut close to the same path if you have the platform generally in the same position as before and that's why i like this tail stock clamp because that will generally keep it kind of aligned and all you need to do is is swivel your your banjo um and maybe your your platform um it'll swivel in that spot but it's not going to move along this slide this slot it'll just swivel on the spot so that's one way i why i like this it kind of doesn't move as much as needed or as you might see uh let's see uh joe i play some tape on the lathe bed right next to the banjo so i can yeah okay that's a good idea uh great tip phillip absolutely yeah uh let's see uh joe what's the side profile of the cutting tip let's take a look okay i will show that joe let's take a look at that small blade and we'll zoom in so here's the uh here's the tip uh it's that stellite tip that's that piece and this front profile is about a 10 degree bevel um on that so you could take that to the excuse me to the grinder and just touch it or use a hone and touch it up so i've done the same thing on this medium-sized blade the tips are replaceable they're replaceable by i guess silver solder or brazing i don't know i don't know the term meta mechanical welding term but uh they're welded on and so you can get a replacement blade um if you're good to that kind of stuff do it yourself or take it to a welding shop and they'll they'll be able to braze it on so but the tips should last you like i said you know a long long time is what they tell me so um so we got this let's clamp that up um in the clamp same sort of scenario i'm going to kind of bite down on each one a little bit at a time as i uh i have this uh and i'm in the way again and let's wide note again because i have this medium blade sitting on this wear plate um i want to kind of hold it down at that level as i tighten these bolts this is something i picked up from yesterday's session i didn't exactly do that and i had and it's still showing a little bit of a gap as i tighten it down so i wonder if i loosen that one off and tighten this one down a little bit more that's tight that's tight and yeah this one there's a little bit of a gap there i'll talk to dan about that there shouldn't be a little bit of a gap so now um we are going to aim for this other line and we're going to kind of set it up somewhat similar in terms of placement maybe back this way a little bit about there perhaps let's get our medium-sized gauge we'll gauge and see where we're cutting that looks a bit deep so i go overhead and back here i am almost at the chuck so i think that's a bit deep for coring so what i need to do is back this off a little bit and so i will back the whole plate off and loosen this tail stock guy because we're going to swivel this plate a little bit and change the trajectory of the of the blade so that's better that now is getting me to about this mark so we'll try for that i may bring it just a bit closer to close this gap the whole assembly a little bit closer and just double check this that might be we'll try that i think that's going to work hopefully it won't make a funnel so let's just tighten that up check the tail stock it's tight tool post is tight banjo's tight this guy is i'm just going to take this out it is knocking a little bit on this with this blade so i just took out the uh the tail stock quill lock handle just so my handle swings clear and if i i can show that no i don't i don't have a camera view that's going to show that so we'll just carry on all right so we're set bowl clears with the face shield plate locked in this is going to chatter a bit because i've got a bit of a gap under the blade and the wear plate um so i know it's going to make noise it did yesterday [Music] it's chattering until i get deep enough that i don't have that gap anymore this is something i'm i know it's just with this unit this unit was taken to aw [Music] [Applause] [Music] i see something yes this little snap ring is jumping loose it shouldn't be and it won't be on the production unit so this then something added something dan added at the show so there we go [Music] [Applause] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Applause] [Applause] i fear i might be making a funnel but we'll find out [Applause] that is nasty loud this one [Applause] [Music] sorry about the noise folks [Music] i'll take my handle up here a little bit drop my wrench [Laughter] [Applause] [Music] so a tail stock um drawbar was loosening off a little bit [Music] [Applause] oh oh sure yeah sorry thanks that's a good idea sorry i forgot to change the angle there my wife came and reminded me [Music] i think we're getting at that area again bottom of the bowl sort of area so [Applause] creep up on that clear shavings often i probably made this one a little thinner than i wanted to but so [Music] and we're getting close [Music] probably another inch and a half or so [Music] from a wear and tear perspective on me this is pretty easy so the sound on this middle blade is the worst though [Music] you can hear the ting ting tink in there it just means the wood is moving a little bit as we cut it starting to dry out and i'm right at that bottom of the bowl area where it's a little bit bothersome come up to it gently clear those chips [Applause] oops went in a little too quick there okay bump this off a little bit again so i'm cutting a little bit of sidewall so i'm taking my time going down there foreign [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] i [Applause] so and this is getting close probably another inch [Applause] [Applause] [Laughter] [Applause] [Applause] one more cut i think there it is and there's our second core we snapped off about the last three quarters of an inch maybe five eighths so we've got a pretty consistent wall thickness through there so not bad but uh yeah pretty rough cut through some of that end grain and stuff especially on the bottom really got to take your time doing that so uh that's that and then we've got this guy where i have a pretty bad profile on so it takes a little bit of practice to to kind of get your aim right with those things um there is a laser guide system that mounts in this hole that will kind of do a laser assist version of this thing so i don't have one of those out here in the shop so but that uh is um the bowl saver uh max four so that worked out i think rather well um it was actually much better the first time then this time which is always the case let me just pull this back a little bit and we'll do that yeah there's a crack tenon so that's a problem but that is a lot better than a pile of shavings on the floor so there's that set and then i think down here deep enough that one and that one so this one i finished off yesterday just not quite finished off but sort of turned and so that is a lot better than wasting all these shavings and getting that so like i said these are like nine and nine inch and eight and a half inch uh sort of cord set using a small and medium blade and obviously you can do uh much bigger with the uh with the large blade let me just uh check the uh um chat here bear with me is a second as i let's see let's see so phillips used the smaller version for years yeah excellent um yeah not sure i'll ever do an 18-inch bowl i i'm not sure either to be honest but it's nice to know um uh you can uh let's see joel the old max three will cut three and eight intentions but todd says the casting is lighter and the larger blade is not beefed up like the one on max for oh good good yeah i thought the uh the max 3 was 16 inches or 17 inch but if it's 18 great um and that this is something that you need to know if you have like a capacity on your lathe of 18 inches or even 16 inches you can still use the large blade as you saw we can shift the position of the pivot point so that we cut shallower bowls so we can we don't necessarily always have to have the pivot point right at spindle center we can shift it off and so we're cutting shallower balls so that's something to uh to to know something i learned over the over the weekend at swat so um excellent um let's see joe i gotta mouse over a little bit sorry checking out um i like the gauge idea way less chance to blow through the bottom of a bigger bowl make a lampshade or smaller bowls yeah um yeah i was a little uh a little concerned with uh with this one um but uh we actually have a pretty consistent wall thickness all the way down so that was nice i was kind of thought we might be blowing through that one um but i will say that i could do a bit better targeting at the bottom of this bowl um what i've got is well i don't know actually maybe not the bottom may not be that bad it's the thicker walls that's probably my outside shape is not really conforming but if i do that yeah i mean i i i could have gone another half inch or an inch down in the bottom so um that's something i'm not i have to get used to and understand a bit better how those uh um gauges work and that may be where i might get the laser light or make a laser light myself to track these blades so um we'll see how that works out let's see um uh let's see okay so here's a good thing i start with the largest core first then medium and small last i find this the best for myself yeah it's a good question uh good comment uh phillip um like i said this is now the second bowl of course so um for at least on the lathe demo purposes it's uh it's nice and easy to core the middle one and then you still got the other one decor uh to show those blades but yeah so if you chord the largest one first then you have to take the core and remount it so that's probably what i would do here so let's be a whole middle core remount it put a tenon on it and remount it again and then core the middle one i think that's that's the only way to go right so and that made me uh make sense because if you core the big one first um then you're left with this you can finish this big bowl while it's still on the lathe you can finish it either way i suppose but um yeah anyway so good good good thoughts uh see these coming back phil do core the largest one then make the tenon on the core and then okay just exactly what i kind of said so hopefully uh phillips um filling us in um joe's got some mahoney wisdom uh take the money bowl first if you have to waste wood waste the smaller bowls yep okay makes sense uh todd people may wonder who dan is you mentioned he's something you mentioned he added something at the show oh yeah uh dan hewitt is the uh the woodcut um owner of woodcut tools um out of new zealand he was at aw and spent some time in our booth um and uh yeah uh what was the question again you mentioned he added something at the show i'm not sure uh i'll have to come back to that it'll probably come to me uh phillip yes cindy i still have the 10 on the inside of the middle to turn a 10 and on the outside for the next score yeah it's kind of what i said okay that's what i thought so that's good to know and get validation on so um it's not that loud for me it was pretty loud in here uh was not not pleasant so and uh philip that sounds a good way to do it yep absolutely so um after coring hundreds you find the best way excellent oh i know who to talk to now coring expert so i like this tool i have a whole suite of mcnaughton however uh so i have to think about switching yeah yeah definitely it's uh you know the mcnaughton system the one-way system this bowl saver uh and then there's the kelton hollowers or whatever but uh um so yeah it's your your choice there's lots of choices um philip i would recommend this system to anyone over the mcnaughton this is so easy it is easy i i gotta tell you you know um like i said there's a couple two bowls for me now um it's easy to set up uh it's easy to operate very easy to operate and the only the only guesswork i have is where to place the blade to get the travel that i want in in the path that i want so so i don't have such a thick bottom bowl but that comes with experience and practice so i've got five or six more these bowl blanks over there smaller ones but still over there to practice with um yeah yay no funnel i know yeah even though these two middle ones um kind of came out about the same it's almost kind of eerie um how similar they look uh to each other so yeah let's see this one goes in there i think this one over here this one the first one cut really quite smoothly so um i may have botched the sharpening job on this when i touched it up on the on the cbn so i'll take a look at that again maybe it's not quite as sharp or maybe this is just a different uh uglier part of the tree that just wasn't happy being cut um you know and they're in there in there and there and there all right um it sure looks easy and foolproof yeah it pretty much is except like i said you know setting up the the cut so um beginner's luck on the first one i don't know about that besides this is my second one so uh curse the demo yeah um absolutely it is curse of the devil impressive that did it uh did that with that bad crack down the tenon yeah it was it's a pretty stout tenon um so is that this one yeah that was this one um yeah the uh the crack is uh is is massive um and uh but that's why i twisted it in the in the tenon just to kind of get that uh clamped elsewhere but yeah you know i did that little trick about chamfering the corner of the tenon too but it's not a dovetail so that i think was one of the thoughts but this is the the four inch jaws that i had i wanted a four inch tenon on this heavy wet wood so i will maybe get out my other larger dovetail jaws for the next ones let's see um nice i always have to tell them to quit digging in the garbage can yeah i know but that's a good place to store these until they dry um i finally got to meet you and todd yeah it was really good to meet you too mary alice uh it was so nice to um to see you again uh let's see cindy is saying uh dale says those tiny center cores are not saleable leave it solid and used for boxes or other stuff okay well maybe um yeah i mean certainly uh this sizeable maybe not sellable but this is about i think the limit on empty bowls is five inches so uh these would be great donations to empty bowls uh because these are this one's just over five so that would be fine um this yeah probably just a changed dish in my in my own house ah dan's in the house dan good to have you here on your saturday morning so very early good to have you here um yeah um so just uh dan if you're uh if you're listening uh i still have that gap underneath the medium blade and uh and the wear platform on on this unit so i did clamp it down while i was resting on the wear pad but it i think that's the reason for how loud the the medium was was so so chattery because it wasn't uh really getting that support on the wear pad so i will talk with you offline i think for from a pre-production unit uh we'll uh we'll do a little bit of finagling here to figure that out um yep and uh oh uh todd i have an easy way for depth i can send you a video if you're like yeah please do absolutely um you know if there's a video you have on checking that depth uh send it to me i can link it in the uh my product page my facebook page or something like that and yeah any kind of uh assistance there would be gratefully uh grateful so um and uh yeah excellent oh ron stopped in thank you ron good to see you or at least have you on here um joe small bowls are good for having a set of balls more impressive individual small balls or giveaways yeah yeah absolutely so like i said empty bowls or something like that so uh that is uh um sort of probably my plan for these small ones um i really am you know i don't really turn a lot of bowls uh but uh now that i have this thing i think it will be turning more so i'm going to bury these back in the shavings for a day or two i probably should anchor seal um these but i'll maybe get to that tomorrow so one inside the other shavings and then the other one and then bury that a whole lot a little bit do the other one get out there bury that in shavings put the medium bowl in there shavings small bowl shavings on top all right that'll sit there for a couple days and maybe tomorrow i'll get i know sunday anchor seal it because tomorrow tomorrow my friends let us remind ourselves what is happening tomorrow cindy drost does ird so check that out it's going to be a lot of fun waterfall natural edge lidded bowl and pedestal um two classes so tomorrow uh the 9th at 1 pm eastern i'm not sure what that translates to wherever you are but figure that out and sign up at cindyrose.com that should be a lot of fun if i have this up here there it is check it out that should be fun um come join us at swat next uh next month end of august uh we'll be there so we'll have a lot of fun and uh get a hold of me you can find me there so swat is fun and then if you need anything uh more information about the uh the bowl saver um or uh what it can do uh reach out to me um let me know and uh we'll answer any questions you have uh we'll get some of these um hopefully to take down the swat and uh we'll have um at least this one to show display at least i don't know how oh if i'll have a lathe there to show um this working um that uh that hasn't been worked out yet i don't think that's going to happen so we'll have this on the table in a display setting you can take a closer look at it uh for sure so this resource is always here and like i said i'm going to make a so this video will stay up on facebook and youtube i'm going to make a post-production youtube uh sort of a um an edited version of a video of how this works uh from what i did yesterday so look for that hopefully in the next coming few days and uh we can certainly uh um answer any of those kind of questions and uh let's see uh ron says uh let's see oh hang on this sorry i'm losing my yes uh let's see uh sorry uh james says you should bring this to swat to demo in the booth sell the nested bowls yeah it's uh getting a lathe uh james um at swat that's a big problem so um if you have a cat don't bury your bowls and a pile of shavings on the floor okay got it and ron asks are you selling this item uh yes yes we are ron absolutely so uh check out the website i'll maybe uh bring that up again and we can show that here so go to the website woodturningtoolstore.com click on the big blue button and uh you can see the max4 um oops wrong i can't click there i have to click over here todd there you go i take it to the system 8.99 retail shipping in the us probably [Music] end of august um so we'll see um but good question ron thank you um and yeah we'll uh we'll see you tomorrow michael at uh cindy's thing for sure um uh i am demoing so i have to uh yes i'll be demonstrating at swat as well i'm a regional demonstrator but i i'm not bringing a big lathe to use this thing so that's a that's a problem um i suppose i could demo this thing i don't know if i can though i've already set my my demo um yeah thanks everyone um cindy james um ron uh phillip michael uh oh scott's here uh thanks for joining in scott appreciate it and um yeah larry all that uh thanks everybody for uh joining me on uh this little adventure today and uh boy we're way over time aren't we um and uh hope you all have a good weekend and uh i should be back hopefully in a couple of weeks um but uh yeah stay in touch uh until then everybody take care have a great weekend uh 2 30 todd uh saying goodbye good night and have a great weekend we'll see you next time bye for now

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Published: Sat Jul 09 2022