Aerospike Engines - Why Aren't We Using them Now?
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Channel: Curious Droid
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Length: 13min 38sec (818 seconds)
Published: Sun May 27 2018
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At work so I can't watch the video but from what I remember from Launch Vehicle Design aerospikes are prohibitively expensive if they're gonna get dumped in the ocean like most rocket engines, and wouldn't really be as useful since their main strength is optimal thrust at all ambient pressures, and they'd get dumped 1/3 of the way through.
Aerospikes on a new Space Shuttle would make a whole lotta sense, but we're done doing spaceplanes so I'm not sure when they'll really come back into vogue.
Aerospikes are expensive and heavy. If you put an aerospike on a rocket you save some fuel efficiency. You could just put a few stages with differently optimized nozzles and save a whole lot of money and weight. Aerospikes make sense if you plan to fly the engine repeatedly through atmospheres at wildly different pressures and you are unable to add more stages. Even the engineers of BFR opted to go with a stage and differently optimized nozzles even though the BFS looks like it could benefit from an aerospike on paper. This leads me to believe they did the math and found it was not the right choice.
I would be a regular viewer of a Lord Varys hosted science show.
Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I've seen in this thread:
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Did most people commenting even watched the video?
Already a lot of good comments on "why not" but I figured I'd share my two cents:
Like pointed out above, aerospikes are too expensive to realistically be considered on expendable rockets, which makes them more useful on reusable rockets because theoretically most of that high cost will be recouped. However, the reason an aerospike isn't a "must have" for reusable rockets is because they come with other disadvantages:
Mass. Aerospikes, especially the linear variety seen in the VentureStar video, carry a significant dry mass penalty
Complexity. Space launch is hard no matter what, but de Laval nozzles are much easier to manufacture than the innards of the Aerospike.
Thrust vectoring on an aerospike engine is more complicated than normal nozzles and may require differential thrust
So the design trades for a rocket that never loses its efficiency are pretty substantial, and that leads the aerospike to be viable in really only one application: SSTO rockets. And I think the illustration above shows perfectly why SSTO is a flawed idea to begin with. Hear me out.
SSTO is cool in concept. No staging events, just launch, land and reuse like an airplane. But to get there with any significant payload is much harder, and always takes a "hack" of the Tsiolkovsky rocket equation. This isn't Kerbal where the solar system is 10x smaller. To attain SSTO you have to worry about ballooning design complexity, and don't forget that your payload mass to orbit in an SSTO will be pitiful. Even if you can launch, land, recover, and relaunch in, say, a day, you'll have to field many many missions to get anything of significance to orbit.
A two stage reusable launch vehicle like SpaceX's BFR is far better and more practical than an SSTO ever will be. By adding one more stage to your SSTO, the payload you get to orbit scales up by perhaps an order of magnitude and allows for far more flexibility in your missions. The addition of your lower stage need not increase ground processing time either: Design your connections between the tow stages to easily mate and you can easily process a vehicle as fast as an SSTO. Not to mention you don't have to rely on ultra-complex technologies like aerospikes, air augmented rockets, or tripropellant engines. And just for clarification: I'm not saying here that SpaceX is the only way to do rapidly reusable rockets. Two stage fully reusable rockets could be two spaceplanes stacked on top of each other, or other combinations of stages that are brand new. Point is, stop fixating on SSTO because it's really hard and the trades are enormous.
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Anyone else notice he said 1 sq inch = 2.54 sq cm?
I believe bad things happen to spaceships when you mix up imperial and metric units ...
If the space program was allowed the same blank check policy as the "defense" industry, we'd have a practical space plane by now.