A Formidable Change Will Hit The Nation Very Soon - Tunde Bakare

[Music] [Music] it's a great pleasure talking to you right here on china's television thank you so much for your time sir thank you very much uh yes we're with you thank you sir it's a very interesting moment we are in as a country and i know you're someone who is passionate about this country you speak about it you breathe it um let me first and foremost begin by asking you your view on the state of the nation as it is right now i know 2023 is around the corner people are talking about it it might look far from some people's point of view but it does look like there is in nigeria that not those who love nigeria want to see but they are yet not saying it what is your view on the state of the nation well um thank you sir very much jim other than trusting god and keeping up alive um this is not the nigeria we envisioned not only as young people but in recent in recent past it's at sea we are again at the precipice but nigeria has a way of bouncing back so we are full of hope that god almighty will help us when we are in a very perplexing situation as a nation many things that we didn't see before are happening now and even the president himself said so he said nothing worries or bothers him like what is happening in the northwest especially the banditry and kidnapping there might have been sporadic occurrences here and there in the past but now he comes with the rapidity that you are not even sure of your own personal security or safety and and traveling now thank god for covid we don't want him to stay but kobe that can't kind of kept people in their homes it's horrible are you surprised by what is happening considering uh your insight into how this government came into being and what we're seeing today are you surprised in any way that this kind of thing is happening surprise would be a good thing for me when someone say are you surprised i always would like to use that word as a an anxiety thing wow surprised to see you you understand me i'm not surprised i'm terribly terribly uh shocked by the things that are happening and never nbc street were full of hope and we put everything by the grace of god that we had and not just me we i said to ensure that apc who win this election with a promise of change nigerians were very hopeful i was and but you see god alone knows tomorrow and we can put our hands in his hands and ask him to help us out of our present dilemma so for some reasons you you hope for a better nigeria definitely but it's not the hope that you have had that you are seeing right now not what you envisage at the time that you are seeing right now how does that make you feel well it's very straightforward i talk straight from scripture that hope the fart makes the heart sick and when the desire comes it's a tree of life it's a this hope has been so deferred that it makes one's heart sick but we still believe that jesus is the healer and the the nation also has a soul that has been traumatized and dented in so many ways the psych of this nation has been badly bruised by the occurrences all around us east west northern south of our country and god forbid now become a paranation again you added trust and that's why you you did what you did um when you said we the other time it does look like you and some of your friends help the apc in whatever manner in which you did and you had a trust in the pressing of president buhari for example is that trustee there as we speak well the bible says you should not trust the arms of flesh or put our trust in princes the only person you can trust absolutely is god almighty because the arms of flesh will fail the best of men are still men are the very best i from his own utterance especially when he granted the last interview the few occasions he had spoken to this nation he himself was overwhelmed by the things happening and so a tree does not make a forest and if i want his use and i'm not the president and i'm not suggesting anything or trying to uh you know flight a kite there i will try other things if what i've been doing does not work might be another time to look uh for those who can really deliver instead of this doldrum we have been going around about this mountain for eight years something needs to be done if he's mindful of his legacy and that's been my cry that's all there's going to be a understanding endearing legacy that cannot easily be raised or rubbished some things need to be done very very soon so whatever it is they must sit down and put on their thinking cap and said look we cannot let it continue this way in terms of assessment right now um in in a situation you either assesses as a failure as a work in progress or as a past how would you describe the situation in the last six years a six-year-old child that is still crawling has problems you want to examine or call the doctors to come in a pediatrician and say that this child was given back to six years ago but he's been crawling on or just moving in his buttocks and on his knees and it's not running it's not working something is wrong and so if you're going to access we need a serious political medicare there is no problem that is the void of solution human beings are given authority and dominion we are supposed to be answers to problems and solutions to crises that we are in if you get the right team and the right people who are doing the right things at the right time you'll get results but would you say it's a failure in the last six years if there's something i like to use my own words failure will look like uh try again or you can still do something with it i i once failed an exam mathematics in 1973 i searched for exam and and i got what we call inverted six which is nine in mathematics but so i met a friend of mine who is late now i made a better fair who was a genius in mathematics in secondary school but his english was terrible and i was very good in english i wanted nigerian red cross coupling for balloon debate i could speak english back then my english now needs to be improved upon [Laughter] i called him aside i said ahmed he said yes your english is bad my mathematics is worse give me three days a week after school i'll give you two days and we can help each other and cross-virtualize ideas you know the end product you can check work i still have my results there's nothing to hide i scored a c5 in mathematics i met about the first chord is c5 in english we can help ourselves yes there is grass failure is apparent to everyone but you can feel forward is it the same worry that you had hand in hand run with that you have right now i don't understand your question because i saw to the president almost every month or every other month since he became the president of this country and i'm not seeing any change in his mental capacity i've said that to people who who believes he must be another word is the same person so the point the point of making the question i'm asking is you had a trust i mean you ran with him you had a trust in helping his party and himself to win an election and so that something must have happened between that time that you had the trust and now that you think that they're not doing what they should do for nigeria so that's the reason why i'm asking is that the same person you trusted that is on right now and i'm going to give a premise because it does look like your relationship with him has fallen apart who said that i mean you said that um you loved him you uh you respected him but now uh in one of your salmon few weeks ago is it the same person you're referring to in that that's your own connotation of what i said i said observed i'd respected i'd loved but i will not keep quiet do you understand me and let things fall apart you do not sacrifice truth on the altar of friendship any friendship that ends never started so do not think that uh there's crisis or we're not talking or we're not seeing each other no no no no it's not like that but i had to cry out in case he's not aware of all these things that are happening around him but you also say that you are not afraid uh that if it comes in your way that's i mean you in the manner in which you spoke it does look like there is a tendency that anybody who speaks out is being they come after such people let me tell you what led to that particular statement it was horrifying to me to live in a country where security men will invade the home of a private citizen who has not been charged for any crime and they will kill people and drag the blood of those people on the floor that can happen to any citizen and it's not i don't think it was president who went into that place to do it i was talking to those people that is a civilized world except we have peace and we are in an animal kingdom you don't do that what's the we has a place of the rule of law if someone had done something wrong arrest him prosecute him but don't invade this privacy in the dead of the night like a gaster po and kill people and damage the house look i'm not i'm not in support of any secessionist move we are better off together but in a free and fair environment where citizens rights are protected nobody is above the law respectfully i'm saying not even the president of a nation is above the law and if they have immunity today how about tomorrow how many presidents from europe or elsewhere and africa had ended up on the international criminal justice international court of whatever it is right icg that was my concern and those who could do that in the dead of the night i can do it to any citizen so i was addressing them directly not necessarily president buhari president did not go into the home of that person did he but your relationship with him is still intact you are looking from outside you are not seeing inside even if friends best friends disagree and fight among between themselves that does not bring an end to the friendship i believe you are married and you have children have you disagreed with your wife they didn't lead to divorce you can disagree in friendship you agree to disagree you just disagree to agree is it possible that you have spoken to him afterwards he traveled and he just came back he traveled to the uk uh i spoke on the 25th of july and this the sermon you are talking about he left on the 26th and he came back on friday i just returned from abuja on friday and if you want me to show you proof i can show you invitation cards so his son's wedding in all of this because the the salmon and the one that proceeded the other one you're talking about it does look like um uh you you try to explain what you meant in the first salmon and uh it looks like maybe you you reviewed or you changed your mind uh just to be clear to nigerians that maybe you have been approached or someone has spoken to you is it that you still maintain what you said the second summer you're referring to i just made a clarification because one of the troubles that we have in this nation is social media they'll take a snapshot a little thing that you've said they throw it out as if this is the whole thing the essence of that message is simple let's put on our thinking card ladies and gentlemen solomon the king of israel was won twice by god not to go into idolatry he went into idolatry god took the kingdom away from him and gave to jeroboam his servant took 10 tribes out of 12 and gave to jeroboam and gave the household of david or the dynasty of david only two tribes benjamin and judah and now jeroboam who benefited from the blunders of solomon now is erecting idols for israel to worship so he god took it away from solomon because of idolatry and gave it to jeruba and jeroboam is perpetrating the same evil what do you think that god of justice would do so if the basis of saying we're tired of pdp it's insecurity and corruption and right before our eyes is getting worse we need to cry out and say wait a minute we are not getting our acts together that's all i stand by that conviction i meant every word of it and i've said it in private before it became a public thing all i was trying to say is hey where a minute any friendship that ends never started that does not mean oh go your way and go my way we are divorced god no but we must not sacrifice truth on the altar of friendship a friend that flatters his friend is a mortal enemy you spoke as far as you you gave as much details as your conversation with him in the bedroom and what god told you what is god telling you now you want me to repeat everything that i said before do you have all the time no no maybe the important part of uh about me the question i'm asking the president's worries stood in public i was his running mate he wept and we wept and said this is the last time i will offer myself for public service in this country and we lost that election and then god visited me in a public vision and i realized it must still come back so i went over to the uk as i missed the president or your excellency this is what the law that showed me you need to come back but we must put maja before election i took two people with me they're still alive and he said no no no no i'd given my word to the public that i would never offer myself again i said you're not king errol sir who said i'd spoken there for john the baptist his head was it must be severed he must be headed no let us do the right thing first if there is maja who win this election he said i don't see how you can work out the major go and work it out and when it was too much he said okay see what you can do and we run here and there called those who could influence those who held political powers especially in the southwest and were able to influence that change it was my privilege to move the motion for the manager of ac ac oscn and cpc and enppb at the eagle square and after that when three four legacy parties came together it was not reasonable for the same cpc to produce both the both the presidential candidate and and the running mate and i said look i'll be in the background and i'll be supporting every way and every man i could and god knows i've given my best to this administration and to this nation and i will continue to do so in the days to come because there's no other country i can call my own do you have the privilege today to hear what god has told you about daenerys future yes you do can you give us an idea of what an insight into what god has spoken in the vision that i saw that led me to go and tell him you are coming back in that vision we were in a vehicle they called it balikaja it's not common and i've not seen it in a long time maybe they're still in the rural areas and we're going towards the southwest to meet the elders of the southwest the political uh juggernauts of the southwest in order to forge a major and we got a very very steep slope and he parked the vehicle that way and came down and said i'd like to ease myself and i will join you soon when he left i spoke to the two people behind my back one is lit now that's the incarnate market and the other person is nicer hero fight in that vision i said where we are is dangerous let me repack this vehicle as we wait for him and i went to the driver's seat and behold there was no steering no ignition key no gearbox no pedals no handbrake it took everything down with him and i came to myself and i said wow there's still something for this man to do to move the vehicle of this nation forward and when all the things began and all we're seeing is oh and you you everybody has said it love signed that days love started that and produced him here this one there and all kinds of things being spoken by nigerians what those who could influence change try their best let me tell you this i have confidence in god but every part that was taken down are replaceable because the engine is still intact that's my hope that's deep i mean so for those who perhaps are thinking that this is much like a proverb to them can you break it down for a clarity of mind and focus uh on what exactly the future holds for nigeria nigeria is bigger than any individual eight years looked like a long time but it's coming to an end nigeria is bigger than all of us and you will do your part and i will do my part look recent recent uh polls that we did social polls in the past ten or more years over 30 million nigerians who are of voting age are not voted we need to break that log jam by the grace of god break the water's lethargy and let nigerians see a better future for ourselves and paint a picture that is actionable and reached out to them and said let us arise and rebuild that nation even if you have to start from the ancient drawings i like to also make a cla get a clarification you you said he turned against you did he in any way do that charlie against man in one of the message you when you say you loved him you walked he served him by turned against you was that it's look when i'll give you this example and i'm not trying to dance away from anything there has been no and i say it privately and publicly wherever i have the opportunity there's been no understanding between us that you do scratch my back and scratch your back if i do this for you do that no none whatsoever he had not made any promise to me about oh this will be what you will get if you do this neither have i made any promise to him i will not deny my faith or my god or my conscience in any shape or form now every time you hear you i i want you to understand that in a single person can be a nation goliath said to israel give me one man to fight with me if i kill him you all become our servants if he kills me we all become your servant there's a we in i when god said israel is my son my firstborn he said let israel go but in chapter five of exodus and let my people go so in that statement there are too many people that are untied the progress of this nation that are acting contrary to what we all agreed upon as the template to move this nation forward and i will articulate that by the grace of god god gave me life on october the 10th when i do my state of donation broadcast one more time i've not given up on this nation i'm not going to give up so there are cabals there are hands behind the power i don't care i don't care call them kabuls because they mean nothing to me they can do all the evil they are doing against 200 million nigerians who are losing hope who are fleeing their country and going to other countries and we are fleeing their farms because of those who are coming there to kill them there is a god of justice who will not let them also lay down in peace because he will kiss by sir shall be killed by this earth and he will listen to captivity shall be led into captivity this is the faith and the patience of the saints of god we have confidence in god the god of justice there have been one situation in times perhaps there have been warlords who thought they were in charge of nigeria look as long as you continue to learn from the past you you are better prepared according to theodore roosevelt to prepare yourself for the future that you don't know those who do not learn from history ultimately will become history have you you seem to be very irritated by the activities of these people whom i describe as cabal or the hands behind the power have you warned president buhari about this sort of people whom you you've described as much that like they are around him you just need one rotten apple to destroy a whole apple cart it will be self-deceiving even of mr president to think that everyone around him is doing what is expected to do people don't do what you expect they do what you expect the bulk ends on this table it stops tomorrow they there not going to blame anyone who did something wrong they are going to say bhuari's administration so what are you telling president buhari today wake up and smell the coffee you you spoke about a new movement which you said you will lead and uh what will that movement be called it has to there are two sides of the same coin the first time i spoke about it i said nigerians for nigeria is an appeal to those who are in the diaspora to remember their country like the sam said uh by the rivers of babylon where we sat down and there we were up to and we remember zion and those who were in captivity they said we should sing them the song of zion how shall we sing the song of the lord in a strange light and he said if i forgot you jerusalem let my tongue cling to the upper roof of my mouth i've gone to those in diaspora in north america in australia in europe to stir them up that nigeria needs you you'll come here to learn what works let us begin to think about bringing it back home to fix our country because don't expect the the powers that be you the western world to fix nigeria it would take nigerians to fix nigeria that's the first time i spoke about the second time nigeria for nigerians is a different ballgame the prophet of the land ecclesiastes chapter 5 verse 9 the prophet of the land is for all and even the king itself from the field so we are talking about those in the diaspora and those at home to rise up and fix this nation for the benefit of generations that are losing hope now and for the benefit of those who are here to be born because this is not in nigeria the servers that provided for us this is not the nigeria that that look but for western uh for free education in the in western region that began just a year after i was born in 1950 i think it started in 54 i was born in 55 i was born in 54 but for that free education i probably would not have gone to school and then free education prepared me i had no money to go to secondary school i was brought here to lagos to learn carpentry but my teacher in primary school mr samuel ladies went to my mother i said don't waste that boy's brain whatever you have to say to do you must come back and he engaged me with primary schools at the living school certificate to begin to coach primary for and was giving me allowances and i began to do all kinds of things spent three years saving money to go to secondary school my classmates in primary six when we left school one from four when i go to form one but i am what i am by the grace of god today because of education and now we have ruined education and all our own children are going abroad and we are wasting a few look what what what where is the manpower where are the people i watched an interview of you corporals recently they could not even they did not know the meaning of nyc they could not give the meaning and i was just i'm amazed at the level of deterioration that are taking place because those who who are in charge of our affairs do not place any premium on on human capital it can continue this way this movement you are talking about it would be like save nigeria movement in in like manner no it's totally different i'm keeping my power dry we're not matching streets and it's not against government but the people of this country will rise and they will demand what is theirs we don't have to marry the streets but you'll see what will happen let's give us a roll when are you rolling up i will let you know will this lead into a political party it can lead to anything that will save nigeria it can lead to anything we can use existing platforms we can create our own but a mighty army is about to rise from the valley of dry bones if you have ever read ezekiel 37 the whole place are going to get up and they're going to rise and demand for what is right and god is going to look for the best of the north and the best of the south according to ezekiel 37 to come and steer the affairs of this nation this boat must not sink would you be running for president i'm a free citizen i can run for anything when that time comes the whole world will know i'm a free citizen nothing stops me nothing they pass me there's nothing that can say oh you can't run for this you can't run for that and i respect other people's uh right also to rise and run right now that's not my immediate focus my main focus is if there's no nation to preside over so what are you running except you want to run out of the country it's an act of service i mean that's what i believe it should be perhaps some politicians don't think in that in that regard that being in politics is an act of service so the preparedness of mind is what i'm asking here whether or not pastor tunde bacary might throw his heart in the ring in 2023 is there a possibility of that you can see my head that there's no heart there today to throw into any ring i'm wearing my head straight and i'm focused on what i'm doing but guess what whether as pastor tunde bakery or as president trudeau backery the initials will still remain pgb that would be a very interesting one and an easy switch isn't it but let's look at it now and profiting solutions to the problems of this country there's a lot of things that people have said to fix our economy we need to divers i've had this conversation with you but at this stage that we are in as a people where do you see what is the way out from your standpoint the first thing we need to do is to heal the cracks the fault lines are too many this nation is so terribly divided that's why you are having people talking about oduary public ipob and all kinds of things religion that should be worn like a private risk watch is a common issue i have friends across the length and breadth of this nation east west north and south i have good friends who are muslims and and and we have bosom friends i have europe as i have eagles i have i was raised i was born in the south and raised in the north i was a muslim who became a christian and i know that elite elites use all these things they i don't want to call them ordinary nigerians because they are citizens there are nigerians who really don't care about those things and we need to reach those ones and give them hope but for is us against us instead of us coming together to build we need to fix the cracks and the hurts and the pain in this nation you you can't force people to live together except you do things that appear fair to all do you understand it at all this leader means business and you need to engage and talk to people from time to time you are a servant of the people not their lord the office of the president is the chief servant of the nation the how would you describe the kind of person you think should be nigeria's next president one who loves this nation truly and one who is not going in there for what he can eat one who is not going there for just to to karna resources or anything or positions for his own people one who is going to look for the best of the not the best of the south let those who have the wherewithal and who had proved it in their own private capacity who have done something with their lives let me be the ones that will assemble and say it's time to build like nehemiah did he assemble the nobles he said look the walls are broken down the gates are burnt let's rise and build he would take such a person he must love this country because anyone plunging into uh election in 2023 is just plunging his head like what they call a morogo in that you used to stare aha the person in a small person is like putting your head inside hot water and therefore you must go with a team and not go alone when that time happens you see what's going to happen very shortly you will see the formidable team that we are presenting to the nation like a shadow cabinet that these are the men that would do it we are meeting right now they can't even locate they don't even understand what's about to hit the nation but it's going to hit it big time in a positive manner not walking about the streets or damaging cars and and burning down what is left so you have a list of those whom you have in mind already not who i have in mind who i know what would you i mean talking about fairness and the cleavages that have uh torn us apart as a people where do you think it's fair to have the president from in terms of rotation and zoning arrangement now listen i've had all kinds of arguments about rotation uh it can come from the north and north has had it for this number of years i had all kinds of permutations going on i also peep into social media sometimes i see some platforms some are saying uh a messenger plus jonathan is 14 years yara dua plus board is 10 years they're not still need four years at this moment what is needed is the person who can do it look at look at look at other nations of the world look political parties who bring their best forward and we just play sectional or what they call it my side your side is our side now i mean the best candidates emerge may god healer learn from from such sad comments that the best candidate may not win what we are faced with now is let the best of the best emerge and those who have made something out of their lives emerge it can go to the south it can go to the north one man is only one seat is who surrounds that seed and what they are able to do if there's an able man so be it if there's a young man so be it if there's another household fulani so be it and i'm saying that passionately fear is fair if you have promised rotation then let's face rotation but if you have not promised rotation it's not part of our constitution let's face reality it is not really where the person has come from that matters it is what is able to do and deliver are you concerned about age also well age is a constant factor in this world because the law of dimensional returns will make you be sleeping when you're in chambers and be dozing and and but age is a function of the mind how old was ronald reagan when he became president of america and how old is uh the current president in america the edge is there but the systems the this institution the the people that support them will make their age turn into grace right before their eye before your eyes if we get a young person in his 40s who could do what obama did why not but in this world and from scriptures he said i will pour my spirit upon all flesh your old men will dream dreams your young men will see visions dreams are inside visions of foresight it takes the inside of the old into the foresight of the young to have stability there's no blood that can fly with one wing there's no man that can clap with one hand so we need both are old because of experience and things we've heard and we need a young i mean i'm not going to sit on the seat of serving over here for the rest of my life so in order to start disengaging myself from my church at pastor for about 33 years now i've raised new leaders who would do better than i've done because there's a nation to build and i'm preparing myself for that so in conclusion now then the kind of nigeria that you see is the kind of nigeria that some people are hoping that will be restructured do you still have that kind of thing was that on the kind of template that you agreed for example with president buhari before he ran for office in 2011 i start with very brilliant minds for nights to carve out a manifesto for the cpc congress for progressive change and almost everything that we had in that manifesto you could find in apc manifesto also what was the first thing in that manifesto that nigeria were very structured around true federal system number one and number two that the issue of state of origin will no longer be part of our vocabulary or part of a system of doing things in this country will be state of residence that a nigerian can live anywhere it chooses look a lopsided federal system where the central government is all powerful and and the state governments who are supposed to be federally frederating units are so weak it's not going to help anybody we need strong center and strong state states that will also remove their news on the neck of local government because that's where it's supposed to be happening that's where the the dividends of democracy need to be taking place in when when when when we were young you see at the university of lagos uh tremberg bengali former governor of uh ugo state at nine and a few others started what we call dinah club nanak club became a youth wing for upn i was a student union leader i contested for the presidency of the union in my in my university days and we will go to parkland in a paper to learn how to save shiva bhavamiya how he was able to do what he did for western region if nothing had tampered with that western region was ahead of singapore and look at where we are today all those things that were built have been destroyed but another generation a new breed without greed will arise a radical opposition to corruption men and women who hate corruption with passion and who choose to win by righteousness by fair play by equity and justice will rise and rebuild the ancient ruins look i believe this personally and there's a meeting of the mind and a consensus adam that is going on now amongst people in the north in the south in the east and the west of this country and will hit this country like a bank god helping us you believe that one person can drive that change one sincere and truthful person that is believed by the team listen the captain is just to get the cop when you play football they'll call the captain to hide the cop if that team wins but does it mean is the only one that made it happen no the cop belongs to the team and he claimed that goshi is what they say a tree does not make a forest but there must be a meeting of minds for two cannot work together except they agree you cannot be driving forward and somebody else is pulling it backwards no there must be agreement on what is to be done and you must turn nigerians to hold you accountable with timelines of deliverables on a final note do you see in all of the people that you have the kind of qualities that you have described and the kind of team that you think are your your uh you are working together with that you said you're going to build a shadow kind of cabinet is there anyone in this present government that fits the bill or that in the picture a few a few of them and you're working with them all by the grace of god they are not necessarily at the center but a few of them a few also are in the center and some are in the states so i can still call you a very good friend to president muhammadu buhari by the grace of god from my side to his side but you don't know what it is with from inside to your side it doesn't happen my list is a very straightforward simple person and if we disagree we will agree again it's happened before and it will happen again you think it means well for this country i think so but he's found himself in overwhelming [Laughter] hot soup as i would say and it takes time to swallow hot okra so god helping him he will still have legacy because we are not going to keep quiet we want him to have a legacy and we continue to cry even it be on rooftop until that is done btb i mean password in the back already this time around thank you so much it's a pleasure talking to you i appreciate it my pleasure thank you so when it becomes ptb president julie bakery i'll still grant you an interview thank you so much it's [Music] this is channels television you've been watching a special interview with the overseer of the citadel global community

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Published: Tue Aug 24 2021