A Conversation so Intense It Might as Well Be Psychedelic | John Vervaeke | The JBP Podcast | S4 E34

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Keywords: Jordan Peterson, Jordan B Peterson, psychology, psychoanalysis, Jung, existentialism, creativity, psychology of human behavior, psychology facts, psychology 101, jordan peterson john vervaeke, jordan peterson podcast, john vervaeke, why creativity is important, how does creativity work, creative thinking, creative, consciousness, consciousness explained, consciousness jordan peterson, how consciousness works, how consciousness evolved, what is consciousness, cognition

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Length: 153min 40sec (9220 seconds)

Published: Mon Jun 28 2021

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[u/letsgocrazy]

On this Season 4, Episode 34 of the Jordan Peterson Podcast, Jordan is joined by John Vervaeke, a colleague of Jordan’s. John has been an associate professor in the teaching stream at the University of Toronto since 1994. He teaches courses in the Psychology department on thinking and reasoning with an emphasis on insight problem solving associated with creativity, cognitive development with an emphasis on the dynamic nature of development, and higher cognitive processes with an emphasis on intelligence, rationality, mindfulness, and the psychology of wisdom.

Jordan and John discuss how they know each other, the last time they saw one another, Christianity, power, perspective, atheists, religion, Heidegger, and much more. Find more about John Vervaeke online on his website http://johnvervaeke.com/.

[00:00] Introduction [00:18] Jordan introduces John Vervaeke [02:10] When John and Jordan met last at a mind masters program six years ago and John's current projects, "Untangling the world's knot," what is the difference between dialogue and thought? [04:00] The nature of insight and Jordan's new writing [08:30] Philosophia and Philonokia
[15:30] The relationship of dialogue and Christianity [20:30] Collective intelligence, the spirit, psychological and logos intimacy, and the trinity [25:30] The difference between the cartesian and theological view of knowledge [29:00] Different states of flow [35:30] Jordan's takeaways from doing the biblical series [40:00] Johns belief that Christianity is trying to integrate agape and logos [46:30] Are the culture wars that deep? [54:30] Jordan's claim about the power [59:00] Jordan's definition of love and truth and the misframing of Nihilism [01:05:00] Propositional knowing [01:12:30] Consciousness and attention [01:16:00] Why Jordan believes men and women select each other [01:23:00] Johns talks about his sequence of episodes on his YouTube where he lays out an argument trying to build the experience of sacredness [01:29:00] The sacredness of Plato, The Bible, and nature. [01:32:00] John’s work linking cognitive and personality theories. [01:39:30] Is there a distinction between the unknown real and the unconscious and the wrestling metaphor. [01:47:00] Criticisms of atheists and theism [01:51:30] Participatory knowing and affordances [02:02:00] Perspectival, procedural, and propositional awareness [02:10:00] Derrida and différance [02:14:00] The pathway to wisdom as meaning and the driving power of the west [02:17:00] Heidegger's attractiveness to Naziism [02:26:30] Jordan’s debate with Slavoj Zizek

[u/Ro1t]

Currently working my way through John's 50 part series on youtube, awakening from the meaning crisis. It's great.

[u/mau5house]

LIVING LEGEND! John is a gem; honoured to have been a student of his

[u/letsgocrazy]

I'm about thirty minutes in and I hate this already. Jordan hasn't let the guy finish one sentence without interjecting.

Its bloody infuriating.

Hard to tell just from the audio if it's good natured, or Jordan is hyper and on meds or something.

[u/[deleted]]

im super excited to watch this episode

but with apologies to these professors

bret weinstein put out a lot of really great videos this week

so this will have to wait

[u/dasbestebrot]

Do any of you know what the two quotes were they used around 15 mins in?

JP: Wherever I’m between you I’m with you?

JV: when two meet I’ll be there? (I know this one’s wrong)

Are they from the bible? I tried to google them but couldn’t pin them down.